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yes, they are very selective in what 'outrages' them aren't they, :icon_lol:
You know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?And coroner would write fake autopsy report on VIP who really is alive.. why?Let me guess the answer- yes, because coroner is in the hoax. Again- why? how?It's just this hoax looks like backed up on theories that based on vague and groundless assumptions and even, at the times, on certainty that no one has clear explanation. On top of it, Michael for some reason isn't coming back.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?And coroner would write fake autopsy report on VIP who really is alive.. why?Let me guess the answer- yes, because coroner is in the hoax. Again- why? how?It's just this hoax looks like backed up on theories that based on vague and groundless assumptions and even, at the times, on certainty that no one has clear explanation. On top of it, Michael for some reason isn't coming back.Uhmmmmm, and you are here because?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?OMG Souza, you must be reading my mind. Always, always just looked out of place to me; the reason I rarely ever added to any discussion about it.
Yes, the possibility of a decoy van crossed my mind as well. I also remember something that paula said about two helicopters..? Maybe two helicopters and two vans then? One real (containing live MJ) and one fake, the media bait? If a decoy van is the one we saw on tv, then the helicopter would need to be a decoy as well, since the video we see shows the transfer from heli to van and the van driving into the coroner's. The "RTL" video shows the same license plate number but it would be easy enough to have two vans with the same license numbers - with the explanation of all the above to employees being that of privacy. This vid shows heli to van to coroner's.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSbGUFcbMg[/youtube]Edit: Snoopy, just saw your reply. Yes the helicopter itself could've been a diversion and the van we see would therefore be a decoy for the media and public to see. Whether it was a diversion or if there was a 2nd helicopter, the media would've been told "the heli with MJ's body is leaving now!" and their attention would be all over that. Both of these explanations could also support live MJ theory, with a dummy as well. The use of a dummy that day makes sense in that we've seen a dummy was used in the planning of the hoax (ambulance pic) even though we know that pic wasn't taken "on the fly" that day. OR MAYBE IT WAS and the pic they got was chosen as the best (those cameras shoot super fast) and the "body" in the back WAS a dummy. So the photo is still fake because of the dummy but also real in a sense too. Just thinking out loud.
The 'investigators' here don't need to prove anything to anyone. It's up to each individual to seek their truth.Sorry that I put my two cents in when your conversation is with Souza, but I couldn't help but say something. I'm not sure if you realise so benefit of the doubt that you didn't, but that statement you made is insulting.Meanwhile, this place isn't founded on hope it is founded on obvious observations that there was a death hoax on 25.06.09.If you can't see it, it means you're not looking because with respect the signs are everywhere.All the best with your research :smiley-vault-misc-150:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYes, the possibility of a decoy van crossed my mind as well. I also remember something that paula said about two helicopters..? Maybe two helicopters and two vans then? One real (containing live MJ) and one fake, the media bait? If a decoy van is the one we saw on tv, then the helicopter would need to be a decoy as well, since the video we see shows the transfer from heli to van and the van driving into the coroner's. The "RTL" video shows the same license plate number but it would be easy enough to have two vans with the same license numbers - with the explanation of all the above to employees being that of privacy. This vid shows heli to van to coroner's.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSbGUFcbMg[/youtube]Edit: Snoopy, just saw your reply. Yes the helicopter itself could've been a diversion and the van we see would therefore be a decoy for the media and public to see. Whether it was a diversion or if there was a 2nd helicopter, the media would've been told "the heli with MJ's body is leaving now!" and their attention would be all over that. Both of these explanations could also support live MJ theory, with a dummy as well. The use of a dummy that day makes sense in that we've seen a dummy was used in the planning of the hoax (ambulance pic) even though we know that pic wasn't taken "on the fly" that day. OR MAYBE IT WAS and the pic they got was chosen as the best (those cameras shoot super fast) and the "body" in the back WAS a dummy. So the photo is still fake because of the dummy but also real in a sense too. Just thinking out loud.It would explain a lot in one lump sum.... The helicopter crew would know it was a decoy, and so would the coroner. As far as the dummy or live MJ....I tend to think "dummy" only because many photographs show Michael had "dummys/mannequins" everywhere. ...but the flip side of that is Lou Ferrigno's interview statement about "Michael riding in ambulances".... It could go either way I suppose. :icon_e_confused:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?And coroner would write fake autopsy report on VIP who really is alive.. why?Let me guess the answer- yes, because coroner is in the hoax. Again- why? how?It's just this hoax looks like backed up on theories that based on vague and groundless assumptions and even, at the times, on certainty that no one has clear explanation. On top of it, Michael for some reason isn't coming back.The more I think on it, the more I too think the helicopter was a diversion. Michael knew there would be a "media circus" and the reason I think he came up with this "diversion" had a lot to do with the birth of Prince. In this interview with Barbara Walters....Michael remarks on the media scrutiny surrounding the birth of Prince and he made careful mention of the helicopter coverage.... "over the hospital", "over his house", satellite coverage, paparazzi etc...and on some level he had to know his "death" would cause just as big a media stir.He mentions the media coverage at about (2:14)You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI just tend to believe something more if I hear it straight from the "horses mouth" so to speak.... And if he's talked about it, then he's probably created a plan for it....this is my thinking anyway. :icon_neutral:I think the helicopter was a "diversion". As far as the vans....well, I'm sure there's a statement out there regarding that as well in an interview. I'm beginning to think in his interviews there's more to what Michael himself is "saying" that links to what we are actually "seeing".I think the support for evidence is found in the verbal interviews of Michael and other people involved... It's the only "proof" we have beyond 100% pure speculation....just IMO :icon_neutral:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou know, I always thought that circus with the helicopter was over the top and looked more like a distraction for the media. What if there were two vans? The whole heli and van thing in the video a media decoy, the other 'real' one with jumping MJ entering another part of the building? Or a whole different building for that matter.You know, if as less people as possible should be in on the hoax, then it's better to tell the employees at the coroner's office that he was brought to a different location due to high profile whatever. That way only the coroner himself needs to be in on it. The guy making that video was supposed to make that video, because else he wouldn't have waited two months to release it. In those two months, RTL had time to make a making off, while having the original video as a reference. What I don't get is why they would release that 'it was all a hoax' video from RTL that fast. Maybe it was enough to spread doubt and served its purpose? The guy was definitely meant to make that video, why else send (an) MJ in a van anyway when he could have been transported in a car or whatever else?OMG Souza, you must be reading my mind. Always, always just looked out of place to me; the reason I rarely ever added to any discussion about it.Yes, the possibility of a decoy van crossed my mind as well. I also remember something that paula said about two helicopters..? Maybe two helicopters and two vans then? One real (containing live MJ) and one fake, the media bait? If a decoy van is the one we saw on tv, then the helicopter would need to be a decoy as well, since the video we see shows the transfer from heli to van and the van driving into the coroner's. The "RTL" video shows the same license plate number but it would be easy enough to have two vans with the same license numbers - with the explanation of all the above to employees being that of privacy. This vid shows heli to van to coroner's.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSbGUFcbMg[/youtube]Edit: Snoopy, just saw your reply. Yes the helicopter itself could've been a diversion and the van we see would therefore be a decoy for the media and public to see. Whether it was a diversion or if there was a 2nd helicopter, the media would've been told "the heli with MJ's body is leaving now!" and their attention would be all over that. Both of these explanations could also support live MJ theory, with a dummy as well. The use of a dummy that day makes sense in that we've seen a dummy was used in the planning of the hoax (ambulance pic) even though we know that pic wasn't taken "on the fly" that day. OR MAYBE IT WAS and the pic they got was chosen as the best (those cameras shoot super fast) and the "body" in the back WAS a dummy. So the photo is still fake because of the dummy but also real in a sense too. Just thinking out loud.