I am tired of this and DONE!

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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
TS failed

Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?

People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....


I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.


TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.


Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"

The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."

We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...

All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you.

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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:02:22 PM
That's probably not a lesson wasted.

TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.

Hi Bec,
Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind.  No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank you



With all due respect heart of Gold, MJ didn't fake his death to "escape the chaotic world"



TS is an educated man, you are right. I am keen to see what he comes back with. Guess we all need to exercise patience and allow for TIME...

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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:16:01 PM
Heart of gold, If you notice and reread my comment, I didnt answer the questions you asked bec or make comment for her. I actually commented on the part where you said "MJ escaped this chaotic world". It's a public forum. You posted, I commented. It's what we do and it's not out of order.

It's just that that pariuclar line doesn't make sense, with the whole "needing to escape life is so chaotic and then lets give clues that I am really alive and going to comeback" Kinda defeats the purpose, don't you think.


Wish ppl werent so antsy these days... I'm over it.


Moving on, I dont understand what you mean here, I'm sorry.

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secondly tell me what did he escape from his family?


It's up to us all as individuals to work out and come to our own belief of WHY, and even when that happens, we may be wrong. I certainly dont believe he was escaping a chaotic life, nor the illuminati, EOW...


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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
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complications

Thought as much. We need patience ppl.

Thanks for posting Jam :)
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:27:51 PM
TS failed

Are you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?

What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love
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I get what you mean. Its kinda exciting huh? I am anticipating TS next post, more than any of the others. I am so keen to hear what he has to say. Not in terms of "he owes us answers", but more, "so where to next - what are we looking at next in this game"

My bet is CM as per the new TIAI redirect.

Excited!!!!  :penguin: :penguin: :penguin:
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
For sure! I am still keen to hear justification / on no bam 31.12.12 if there is one, but even more interested in where to next. So yes a little of column a and a little of coulmn b  :icon_e_biggrin:


But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.

So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
I'm kinda now reading TS not so literally... This is now the message I hear from TS's posts in the past re: both bam date and reasons for hoax

"If MJ doesn't bam before 31.12.12, then consider me a fake informer - not limited to the date but all the other FAKE INFORMATION posts and arguments that I made including but not limited what / who went in ambulance / DWD / FBI / etc etc"

I wonder if any of the arguments / levels were only supposed to be taken at face value and not literally, just like bam date. It's almost as if he said, "when MJ doesnt bam on 31.12.12 you will know that much of what I posted was fake"

It matches perfectly well with his admonition a) not to trust him b) not to trust hoax and c) devils advocate.


I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 02, 2013, 05:27:22 AM

I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.

So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.

I know ur not singling me out  :icon_e_smile: And get what you're saying. I have had lengths of time away including recently and it's had nothing to do with MJ, bam or TS. I have had to at times drop hoaxing because I believe in family first, always! :icon_e_wink:

I was making reference to those who are wanting to leave because they feel TS is a fraud. I'd just hate to see someone leave prematurely when they could be so close and after all this time they've been here.

I also understand that some feel they need to leave because hoaxing is like a vortex that sucks time and energy away from them and may be something draining for them.

I'm enjoying it. Coming here is energising and stimulating. Best 17 months of my life! But then again I've not been here for three yrs like others. Maybe if I were here for that long I'd have assess How long i was prepared to give to hoaxing. Absolutely take my hat off to the long timers!
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 02, 2013, 06:02:59 AM
Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me.  My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June.

Soosie, so sorry for your loss. Hope 2013 brings you better times.

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Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy.  Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love.  Cherish them whilst they/you are here.


Totally get what you are saying. I too took time off after losing ppl this year. Made me realise we need to embrace the moments with ones I love and be balanced hoaxing, regardless of how much I love MJ or this grand experience.

Well wishes and sincere sympathies to you Soosie.  :bearhug:


@ thriller4ever. I guess one could say it kind of now leaves us nowhere. But jmo 'nowhere' isn't really anything new. TS stated many a time he will validate false theories. So we were always at this same place of nowhere.

And I don't think all was fake INFORMation. Just parts. What exactly, I'm unsure. But I'm happy to stick around  :icon_e_smile:

I have this growing gut feeling that no one in all this gets ALL of the answers. (Gen pub. Hoaxers. Even MJ close friends, included)

And I've said it before but will mention again, I often wonder if the purpose of levels / signs as well as fronts tidbits, were designed to create more questions rather than give answers. Perhaps that's the point to create more self fuelled rumours / tangents to the story if you will. Goes hand in hand with how the family played it out post 25.06.09. All of those varying accounts, interviews, conflicting pieces of information put out by the family.

Perhaps the point is more confusion, less clarity - which is signature MJ style. (Even if TS never was / is MJ could be from his camp playing according to classic MJ ethos - create uncertainty, hold all the cards!)
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 02, 2013, 06:06:16 AM
a part of TIi that has been replaying in my head all morning

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ORTEGA: Guys, that's the cue. I'm sorry, are we misunderstanding something here?
 
BEARDEN: No, we're not misunderstanding. We're sizzling.
 
BEARDEN: He's sizzling. I'm sizzling.
 
Michael: He's waiting for my point, it's coming.
 
ORTEGA: Oh, I thought...  Michael, I was telling them to start when you turn toward the audience. Do you wanna...?
 
Michael: Oh, no, I wanna turn first, face the audience with nothing.
 
ORTEGA: Okay.


Love it. Thanks Leilani, u lil beacon of shining light  :icon_e_wink:
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 03, 2013, 03:32:37 AM
And we meant every word - Big hugs!

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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 04, 2013, 10:50:29 AM


But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.

So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.

Hi Aussie girl ! :)

I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?


No. More that he is giving fake information. "If MJ doesnt bam before 01.01.13, know that some of what I have told you is untrue" - Meaning the theories he has endorsed, etc. Not that he himself is a fraud.

When he also quoted paris and Latoya, I think this also meant that they have been throwing out sime misinformation too. Which really none of it is new ground as a) the jacksons have been doing this since 25.05.09 and b) TS already warned not to trust him, nor the hoax and that he will go along with false theories.

I think that because there was no bam on deadline, this verified that he was going along with wrong theories, scenarios, etc.

But thats how I am reading it. Perhaps I am reading it the most palatable way for me to understand.

But I think time will reveal truth.

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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 04, 2013, 06:35:50 PM
TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe!  :-\

Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.

I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.

Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)

I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...


dunno...
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 04, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
I don't have all the answers, just being open minded.

Btw, I dont hink Paris has always and only been giving out false information. Perhaps only at times.
I also don't think TS is giving out only false information.

These are just my opinions and what I am going with as an explanation for everything. I may be wrong.
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Re: I am tired of this and DONE!

  • on: January 04, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof.

It's actually kind of Ironic.



EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 11:28:24 PM by Australian MJ BeLIEver »
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