[GINAFELICIA]

@Sue - I am sorry for your loss. I understand real life needs you to be there.
The same happens to many of us.
I also am not sure about MJ being dead or alive, even if everything seems to point to a hoax. We love him so much and this is not going to change. and that is important.
I hope some day we'll have reasons to be happy for him, to know that he's OK, no matter where he is.

[Adore]

But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.

So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.

Hi Aussie girl ! :)

I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?

What if TS won't come back to post new redirects, and the no-bam was his way out of this; maybe he thinks that he's done his part and there's nothing more for us to learn ? (I know that he promised to finish level 7). Just thinking out loud.

[bec]

He did finish Level 7. It's Update 7 and Sign 7 that are still pending.

[Andrea]

He did finish Level 7. It's Update 7 and Sign 7 that are still pending.

I don't think he quite finished level 7:

Once that is done (level 7a), we’ll move on to level 7b; I probably won’t start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place.  Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009.  When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court.  When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.

TS's DWD theory was presented with the assumption that there was an FBI sting and a sting court (with hoax court) was involved but some of the facts given couldn't be proven directly with the hoax - example, there were 2 unknown place-of-deaths in 2009 under the DWD program.  He presented the completed puzzle picture but there were still figurative pieces missing.  There didn't seem be a definitive end to level 7.  But I do realize that my not believing the DWD theory doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.

So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.

Hi Aussie girl ! :)

I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?

No. More that he is giving fake information. "If MJ doesnt bam before 01.01.13, know that some of what I have told you is untrue" - Meaning the theories he has endorsed, etc. Not that he himself is a fraud.

When he also quoted paris and Latoya, I think this also meant that they have been throwing out sime misinformation too. Which really none of it is new ground as a) the jacksons have been doing this since 25.05.09 and b) TS already warned not to trust him, nor the hoax and that he will go along with false theories.

I think that because there was no bam on deadline, this verified that he was going along with wrong theories, scenarios, etc.

But thats how I am reading it. Perhaps I am reading it the most palatable way for me to understand.

But I think time will reveal truth.

[diggyon]

TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe!  :-\

[flory24]

My opinion is that TS is innocent until proven guilty. We just accused him of being fake, but we should wait to see what he has to say. Has the right to reply. I know that  1 year and 4 months ago TS said that MJ will Bam until 01/01/2013, but a lot can happen in a year. I am believer and will be until the end of my life whether or not Michel bam. I know he is alive because of all the contradictions about what happened that day (and the other)


You have been here only for TS said that MJ will BAM until 01/01/2013? or learn the truth about the alleged death of Michael?

 :smiley-vault-misc-150:

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe!  :-\

Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.

I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.

Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)

I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...


dunno...

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe!  :-\

Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.

I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.

Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)

I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...


dunno...

So if TS is trying to confuse us to keep us around the hoax, why did Paris and Front come up with those "COMPLICATIONS" tweet and post?

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

I don't have all the answers, just being open minded.

Btw, I dont hink Paris has always and only been giving out false information. Perhaps only at times.
I also don't think TS is giving out only false information.

These are just my opinions and what I am going with as an explanation for everything. I may be wrong.

[marumjj]

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TS was watching! I'm curious to know when will do a post  :icon_question:

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof.

It's actually kind of Ironic.



EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof.

It's actually kind of Ironic.



EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst

It could be, thanks for sharing anyway.

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TS was watching! I'm curious to know when will do a post  :icon_question:

IF he would be legit and somthing might have happened , could be checking to see if anyone noticed.   :-\ who the heck knows  :Pulling_hair:

this brings me to thoughts of dick clarks news years rockin eve. was anyone paying attention at about 11:30? not sayin' i was or saw anything ( was at someone elses house and not really watching) , just thinking of the crystal ball, 11;30 clock ect. and that you have seen me of late bit.  :Pulling_hair:

one other thing that has been eating at me about a couple of remarks made by front and ts. front about the sweater jermaine was wearing ( of the forum colors) and ts comment to mj about posting on his thread. being a fan of sarcasm i have to say i could easily see each of those as such. so is it possible that they could actually be working against each other , here in the same place , if either of them has any knowledge any more than the rest of us in the first place? sorry for my babbling on  :-[

[emulik]

@Sue - I am sorry for your loss. I understand real life needs you to be there.
The same happens to many of us.
I also am not sure about MJ being dead or alive, even if everything seems to point to a hoax. We love him so much and this is not going to change. and that is important.
I hope some day we'll have reasons to be happy for him, to know that he's OK, no matter where he is.

I am with you on that Gina, one day we will see, hopefully!

[whatyourheartsays]

Hi there !
This post made me want to answer because i had this talk with another believer few days ago. she was disappointed because she had hopes for Michael to return in this christmas//new year time.
The things is : we are almost 4 year from MJ's becoming the new lord of the ring and disappearing like Bilbo the hobbit lol (there is no clue in what i say, do not lose timing studying Lord of the ring lol) I'm just reading the book right now lol

Since this time we had A LOT of BAM's day, some were announced by people we have no idea of the true identity and no idea of the true reason they are here, being good or evil. there has been many people on this forum and in hoax world who started rumors about some special day. Sometime believer only decided to massively put their hopes on some special day like easter, christmas, june 25 etc etc just because it sounded like a light to follow, something to hang on because everything around seems dark.

We have no REAL idea what happened, why, how, if MJ will be back. All we have is made of clues that we studied and we made theories out of them and it gave strengh to our faith.

BUT you must never forget that the most powerfull thing you have is this faith !
You must ask yourself those questions

- if Michael never planned any come back, does that mean he is dead ?
- if i was given any proof that Michael is dead, would i believe them ? would i stop investigate on it and just believe them ?
- if i had no new clue, no idea about anything about MJ's life, would that mean he is dead  ?

All I can say is that it is human to try to find something that would "comfort" (not sure for translation) in our belief. We all need little light sometime. But i can't assure you that the light is in you ! not in other people's words.

I'm not really on the forum anymore because i have my life to live and i  cannot spend as much time as i wish on here. Also i'm fed up with pretenders, fake knowers, attention seekers... they are energy eater, they take your time, your happiness, your energy and they turn you into sheeps, waiting for some new clue to be given. You must take yourself out of this circle. I doubt Michael wanted to become a sheep guardian. He loves people and i think he loves what people do with their life, not what they plan to do with HIS life.

If you think Michael is not dead on june 25, 2009, then you are a believer and nothing will change it, even Michael not coming back. You will always be a believer and you will always keep Michael in your heart. You will KNOW, because you FEEL you know. This only must keep you up.

Michael must be somewhere outthere, whatever he's doing, whatever people might say/pretend they know about his next move. If you believe this, then your faith is safe. Never let someone put your faith down ;)

 I do believe something happened and i do believe we are not told the truth. I know some people lead us on some roads, being right or wrong. exploring those roads must not keep you away from your original belief that MJ is alive.

[Jos]

 :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:

[whatyourheartsays]

 
(i didn't expect such answer, i was lmao when i came back here lol)

[~Souza~]

I am tired of the whining. A lock.