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This thread is only to call out all those who have set these dates on which we believe and at the end, nothing happens. The biggest one is TS, who I believed and trusted. I guess if this hoax conspiracy has taught me anything, its to never trust anyone...
TS failed
Lets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you. :bearhug:
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That's probably not a lesson wasted.TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.
Quote from: bec on January 01, 2013, 05:41:27 PMThat's probably not a lesson wasted.TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.Hi Bec, Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind. No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank you
Quote from: heartofgold on January 01, 2013, 07:59:53 PMQuote from: bec on January 01, 2013, 05:41:27 PMThat's probably not a lesson wasted.TS_comments being a fake informer or not has no bearing on the hoax and MJ being alive. You've been signed up a long time, you ought to know that.Hi Bec, Is TS a troll? He seems a very educated man, but what I have read up to now nothing came true. Is he really an informant> So if he is a troll is front a troll too? Wow all these questions that goes through my mind. No doubt in my mind Mj is dead, I know deep down in my soul he is alive. I wonder if he will come back at all. If someone fakes his death it's to escape from this chaotic world not to come back into it. I would like to hear more of your imput Bec. Thank youwith all due respect heart of Gold, MJ didn't fake his death to "escape the chaotic world"
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secondly tell me what did he escape from his family?
Quote from: marumjj on January 01, 2013, 05:58:31 PMTS failedAre you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?
Quote from: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 06:50:50 PMQuote from: marumjj on January 01, 2013, 05:58:31 PMTS failedAre you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love :icon_e_smile:
Be tired and be done...or remain hopeful and continue with your beliefs...that's the sheer beauty of our individual free will after all isn't it?
Quote from: marumjj on January 01, 2013, 08:24:40 PMQuote from: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 06:50:50 PMQuote from: marumjj on January 01, 2013, 05:58:31 PMTS failedAre you 100% sure of that? Are you even open to giving TS a right of reply?What I meant is that TS has failed to date BAM (ok still have time, but because at the last moment?), And of course I am ready and waiting, that TS, tell us what happened, speaks a sad heart but firm in what he feels, that all is not lost. MJ even less. with love :icon_e_smile:I get what you mean. Its kinda exciting huh? I am antipipating TS next post, more than any of the others. I am so keen to hear what he has to say. Not in terms of "he owes us answers", but more, "so where to next - what are we looking at next in this game"My bet is CM as per the new TIAI redirect.Excited!!!! :penguin: :penguin: :penguin:
oh heck i have been tired of it for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now! still can't shake it though. somethin keeps me stuck here. i think it is murray .can not explain it.
Quote from: jam4truth on January 01, 2013, 08:02:56 PMhttps://twitter.com/ParisJacksonParis Jacksoη @ParisJacksoncomplicationsThought as much. We need patience ppl. Thanks for posting Jam :)
This reminds of an interview wherein Michael about the lessons he learned the hard way , and he answered "Not to trust anybody "
Needless to say that a lot of what I discovered broke my heart for him...the lengths that people went to to hurt him...the people that he trusted openly turning on him...and still through all of that hatred he continued to try and show patience and compassion for humanity. That being said...patience and compassion is what I'm giving him in return...he deserves it. It's simply not possible for any of us to know the full extent of the activities happening behind the curtain and whether or not the best laid plans may sometimes require an emergency adjustment.
As a dose of tough love.
can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
ORTEGA: Guys, that's the cue. I'm sorry, are we misunderstanding something here? BEARDEN: No, we're not misunderstanding. We're sizzling. BEARDEN: He's sizzling. I'm sizzling. Michael: He's waiting for my point, it's coming. ORTEGA: Oh, I thought... Michael, I was telling them to start when you turn toward the audience. Do you wanna...? Michael: Oh, no, I wanna turn first, face the audience with nothing. ORTEGA: Okay.
I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
I'm kinda now reading TS not so literally... This is now the message I hear from TS's posts in the past re: both bam date and reasons for hoax"If MJ doesn't bam before 31.12.12, then consider me a fake informer - not limited to the date but all the other FAKE INFORMATION posts and arguments that I made including but not limited what / who went in ambulance / DWD / FBI / etc etc" I wonder if any of the arguments / levels were only supposed to be taken at face value and not literally, just like bam date. It's almost as if he said, "when MJ doesnt bam on 31.12.12 you will know that much of what I posted was fake"It matches perfectly well with his admonition a) not to trust him b) not to trust hoax and c) devils advocate.I can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.
Quote from: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 08:55:23 PMI can't believe people are getting hurt, sad, leaving over this.. If anything, it is a development.So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.
Quote from: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 07:00:45 PMLets just wait and see what happens. All those lessons, signs, come on they werent for nothing. Sorry for being positive, but I think we need to just hold our breath and wait instead of pigeon holing TS right away....I may be wrong and he may be a huge fraud. But lets just wait. Its highly likely that there is more to his story.TS gave one date. As fo the other dates, they were made up by forum users. They are the ones whom you should have a gripe with.Proverbs.13:12 "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick"The downside of hope is the disappointment when what is looked forward to with longing does not materialize. A person may be promised something, and there may be much expectation on this promise. However, if it does not materialize -- and particularly if one has already began to plan on this promise -- it can truly make one "sick."We need to ride this wave and not put up the perimiters of this hoax (the dates etc) it is not up to us to write the conclusion of the story...All the best to all. Please hang in there. I am sorry that this is so difficult for some. My heart goes out to you. :bearhug:Don't be sorry for being positive that's a great virtue, thank you for your support and for being positive in dark moments. :bearhug:
Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June.
Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.
a part of TIi that has been replaying in my head all morning QuoteORTEGA: Guys, that's the cue. I'm sorry, are we misunderstanding something here? BEARDEN: No, we're not misunderstanding. We're sizzling. BEARDEN: He's sizzling. I'm sizzling. Michael: He's waiting for my point, it's coming. ORTEGA: Oh, I thought... Michael, I was telling them to start when you turn toward the audience. Do you wanna...? Michael: Oh, no, I wanna turn first, face the audience with nothing. ORTEGA: Okay.
One of my few posts but felt the need to add my little bit.I have followed TS and Front with "interest" rather than belief and enjoyed most of what they have had to say. I'm not religious so all posts that followed that route didn't really mean a great deal to me, nor did I read them fully but I do appreciate people have their beliefs and I fully respect that. If I had to say I have a belief in anything I would say it is love and a lot of the times when people talk about God, Jesus etc. I substitute the name for the word love, and more times than not it fits perfectly - for me anyway :icon_e_smile:I truly don't know whether I believe Michael is dead or alive (sorry :icon_e_sad: ) but I have been here pretty much from the beginning (on the old forum first) and something or someone led me here. There were so many strange things about THAT day which made me doubt it had really happened the way described, or at all. These days I do wonder if I am making things fit (hoax clues) simply because I would like to believe them. Will we ever really know what happened, what the truth is and whether or not he really is with us? I don't know but I will continue to watch because I find it fascinating and the way you guys put your brains to use simply blows me away - amazing :smiley_abuv:Personally, I am glad to see the back of 2012 - it was cr*p for me. My darling mum, who I visited and stayed with for a week in April, suddenly became very ill and passed away on 6th June. I moved away from the UK in 2008 so it was not as easy to be with her but I did go back and forth and spent alot of time with her before she passed. I have a huge cloud over me though because I left her, on her own, in that horrible hospital bed, 4 days before she died. She was insistent that I came "home" because "your husband needs you" and it was the start of our busiest time of the year. I will never, ever, ever forget the look on her face as I walked away and turned back about 4 times to see her watching me leave and waving with a smile, despite how ill she was. She was amazing to the end but how I wish I had stayed with her. My husband keeps telling me that she wouldn't have wanted anyone watching her fade away but I wish I had gone with my gut instinct and not left her on her own.The only consolation I have about that day is that my youngest daughter went to visit her and seeing how ill she was, told my mum "it's time you went to Granddad, he has been without you for a long time now. Sleep tight Grandma, I love you loads". Half an hour after she left, my mum died and I do wonder if she was just waiting for someone to tell her she could let go. She was 86 so had had a good life but it doesn't make it any easier does it :icon_e_sad:My youngest daughter (same one) had a dreadful start to the year with things I won't go into here but has come through it and announced just after my mum died that her and her long-term partner were expecting a baby next year. I was lucky enough to be back in the UK when she went for her first scan and went with her and guess what - TWINS :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: :icon_e_surprised: I think my mum may well be looking down on us and has sent us all something very positive to focus on - she would hate us all being so unhappy.I'm so sorry for this long, drawn out post - I was only going to say a few bits and pieces :icon_redface:Anyway, I think what I am trying to say is that although I miss MJ very much (and I'm the same age) I hope, wherever he is, he is happy and healthy. Life can change in an instant and this past year has really taught me what matters in life - the people you love. Cherish them whilst they/you are here.Much love to all and a Very Happy New Year :beerchug:
For the record, if I'm sad and decide to leave it won't be because MJ didn't bam by the end of 2012, it won't be because I see TS and/or Front as fakes or trolls, it won't be because I suddenly think MJ won't bam at all or that he's dead, it won't be because I'm weak and have lost faith and hope, it won't be because I am not one of the strong ones who will be here to the end - no, if I go it'll be because my life and health needs attention and I've made the tough realisation that my hoax life has been an avoidance tactic. I simply can't sit here for the next X number of weeks/months/years submerged in all things hoax, while my real life collapses around me. And, at the moment, I don't know if a watered-down, less 'submerged' version of hoax involvement is possible, for me at least!So Aussie, and others (not singling you out Aussie, just quoting you as yours is the post I just read) who are amazed at those expressing a desire to leave, consider this: maybe there's strength in that desire; maybe the weakness, the easy option, for some (i.e. for me), is in staying for more of the same ad infinitum. We don't know what other factors in people's lives are contributing to their actions.
Be tired and be done...or remain hopeful and continue with your beliefs...that's the sheer beauty of our individual free will after all isn't it? I still firmly believe that it boils down to being able to be strong in ones faith that what we have uncovered/discovered/researched is on solid facts and foundations...versus those who have become obsessed with other peoples opinions of them, their own personal goals or desires and the inability to compartmentalize life. It's always made me sad to read posts that reflect a writers total immersion into hoaxland to the apparent detriment of things and relationships going on in their real lives. While I'm pretty sure that Michael wants and needs the support of people who genuinely care about him...I doubt that he wished for others to lose themselves in the process. That doesn't seem to be very representative of his MO as I've learned about him over these last years. I've been a "fan" since the beginning given that we're the same age but I've taken the time (as some of you have no doubt) to learn more about the person he's always been through all those years that I was too busy living my life and raising my children to pay attention to his life. Needless to say that a lot of what I discovered broke my heart for him...the lengths that people went to to hurt him...the people that he trusted openly turning on him...and still through all of that hatred he continued to try and show patience and compassion for humanity. That being said...patience and compassion is what I'm giving him in return...he deserves it. It's simply not possible for any of us to know the full extent of the activities happening behind the curtain and whether or not the best laid plans may sometimes require an emergency adjustment. Whatever is to be WILL be...and it will be WHEN it's supposed to happen regardless of who whispers dates or makes predictions. My faith remains undaunted but every person here has to make their own choice and peace with where we are now.
But the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.
He did finish Level 7. It's Update 7 and Sign 7 that are still pending.
Once that is done (level 7a), we’ll move on to level 7b; I probably won’t start a new thread, but I will post a picture in this thread of another puzzle piece put into place. Level 7b will be who or what went to UCLA on June 25, 2009. When that is resolved, I will post another step in the puzzle pieces coming together; and we will finish this level with 7c, which will be any further details about the FBI, sting, and court. When level 7c is done, I will post a picture of the completed puzzle.
Quote from: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 08:42:32 PMBut the notion of literal 'fake informer' or 'fake information' amongst all of the other fake information TS gave out (throw DWD, in there) kinda justifies / answers why there was no bam 31.12.12.So I am more keen to see what future holds and where we look to next opposed to TS giving an answer, because he sorta already gave it, if I make sense.Hi Aussie girl ! :)I'm not sure I'm following you, you mean the answer is that he's a fake informer ?
TS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe! :-\
Quote from: diggyon on January 04, 2013, 01:34:04 PMTS is confusing us more than ever before!! Now it's hard to tell what was false information. Was it his statement about Elvis or was it the redirects for the signs of the EOW!? Or was it may be the DWD theory? It will be really hard for most of us to believe his posts after he has predicted the wrong bam dates. It would have been better if he never mentioned any date for MJ's BAM. At least we believed most of his theories about so many things related to the hoax. Why is he intentionally confusing us!?? Being lunatics in the eyes of the world is hard enough, I believe! :-\Do we really want to believe something that is wrong? I think its a good thing he gave the date. It means some of his posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Which ones exactly, that is conundrum.I think he is confusing us on purpose. I dont think he is here to help or guide I think he is here to create uncertainty of what real and whats not in this game.Could be wrong, but imo its a tactic to keep is going without an expiry date. Look how many times we have rehased the same topics and yet still talk about them. (what went in the ambulance, for ex)I wonder if he confuses us so that 'all this' can be extended until MJ actually bams...dunno...
Sunset, clarification: I dont think the sole purpose is to make us confused. I think that is just a by product. I think the lesson is the truth is often unknown, and yet people reach their conclusions and version of the truth and 'believe something' without sold evidence and often find it amongst lies and fake INFORMation. A running theme in MJs life. We are experiencing it here on forum. So much confusion is being created by our online friends and Jacksons, we are trying to arrive at the best version of the truth based on fake information and no proof. It's actually kind of Ironic.EDIT: Also, I dont think that this is the ONLY lesson. I think there are many lessons, just as there are reasons behind the online interaction, some known to us others unbeknownst
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@Sue - I am sorry for your loss. I understand real life needs you to be there. The same happens to many of us.I also am not sure about MJ being dead or alive, even if everything seems to point to a hoax. We love him so much and this is not going to change. and that is important. I hope some day we'll have reasons to be happy for him, to know that he's OK, no matter where he is.