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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 04:57:17 PM
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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

Mysetrious , odd , peculiar but not contradictory . His asking for the mailing adress implies that he knew that no one would ever be able to prove his theories to be wrong ( mainly the ones about numerology and the connection between MJ and Elvis ) . As he said it in his post , it was him challenging the critics .

What I still find kind of baffling till this day is him referring to himself as " we" . I mean we know that his theories must be a work of a collective intelligence but how many people are behind TS' posts . Besides, if TS and Front know each other , does it mean that behind Front's account are a "lot " of people as well ?

He says "we" because he is including us in his team I don't think there are more than a person behind TS.
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

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2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

What do you guys think? and was there any member that was finally rewarded by TS?

I think he asked for the mailing address just to sound legit...but IMO he knew that nobody will answer the challenge and prove his calculations were false, so i guess he knew right away that nobody will give him their address, so it's rather insignificant... The fact is nobody ever won the prize and had to send their mail address ;)

But I find it very brave from his side to have asked for the mailing address after the statement made to the members about not giving our personal data to anyone.
Thank you susieMJ.

I see what you mean, but if he really wanted to reward someone, he had to ask for a personal info somehow...
But anyway, it's true that TS is very contradictory- all those statements that he will not post under TS_comments until bam, and then he does; predicting bams that don't happen...there's a long list of all the inconsistencies... I'm not saying he's fake, bcs he's done a pretty good job here, but I find it kind of strange how he keeps "playing with words" and choosing terms that can be interpreted in various ways... I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....I rly hope he won't give up...



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TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
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This is the proof that TS could be fake (until proven otherwise), he has predicted BAM more than once and BAM never happened.
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 08:18:14 PM
Hey guys, I refuse to even think of TS as false reporting, but the forum was active in the 12-31-12 and no further sign of him, that worries me a bit, but, Why, never before questioned the veracity of his statements?
I respect their opinions, but also, TS has the right to reply, we should not judge, maybe us the honor of writing again.   :smiley-vault-misc-150:
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 09:03:14 PM
I have questioned the veracity of his statements for years, and all along the years. I don't question his character or his intent, but I do question the accuracy of his words, always have. He will agree to that. I've been nothing but a (charming and respectful) ever-present pain in his ass. Or maybe just a mere annoyance  :icon_lol: I didn't always do a very good job at challenging him, I'm usually wrong.

But I missed this one:

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Since we all are wondering is TS is a fake informer I found 2 contradictions in 2 different TS threads:

1- Recruiting soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E:

PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information.  We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info.  Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!

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2- Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (that some thought he meant: SCARED YET?)

If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

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How could we give him our mailing address to send us the reward if we didn't know for sure who was him? Isn't it odd that somebody is asking for your mailing address?

Sunset is right. TS totally contradicted himself right there. You don't need a mailing address to send money online, you only need a Paypal account, or equivalent. BINGO, Sunset, good job. He should never have asked for a mailing address. What if some kid really thought they could do the math and thought they proved him wrong n sought to claim the reward and DID send their real address? Of course he wouldn't do anything with it, but what about the next person who comes along in this way? That blatant contradiction is more proof that he IS a fake informer and we SHOULD beware of him, by his own words. He's been trying to tell us for a long time now, "I am a fake informer", I think THAT's the lesson of TIAI. Well one of them any way.

BUT AGAIN, let this be crystal clear: To this day I do not question the person behind TS/TS_comment's screenname's character. I do believe he is a good person with good intent. I do not believe he wishes anyone harm in any way, I think he seeks only to educate. That aspect of TS/TS_comments is, and always has been, legitimate, I have no doubt. And yes, I have greatly enjoyed participating in this project all these years and no, I have no regrets about it.
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 09:04:09 PM
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in fact I think we already left that, and this leaves a teaching, not to believe everything he says us TS or any other person
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
Oh and ps. I have no doubt he will be back. In time, he is always back.
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
Question for TS.

No need to justify no bam by 01.01.13, JMO it is irrelevant and unnecessary, but can you please exaplain your PERSONAL definition of a "Fake Informer" :icon_e_wink:


THANKS IN ADVANCE.



Great post Bec. Educate. By forcing us to look for truth amongst the murkiness, that he himself creates.
I also think he might be enjoying the show... watching us squirm... LOL

Meanwhile imagine how funny it would be if a kid actually outstaged everyone and solved it... ha.

 

:smiley_abuv: to you TS - we know your intentions are pure / for entertainment / education - not grooming a bunch of misguided followers on the net - THANK YOU for being here!

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Re: TIAI December 27
January 04, 2013, 10:18:46 PM
Oh sure, there's some entertainment going on for sure too. Edutainment.
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January 04, 2013, 10:44:00 PM
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I'm so curious how he'll get out of his false bam prediction....


in fact I think we already left that, and this leaves a teaching, not to believe everything he says us TS or any other person


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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 07:09:07 AM
Sweetsunset, great catch on TS’s contradiction on sending him personal info!  Hope he’ll respond to it.
I know Scorpionchik once accused him of having all kinds of contradictions, and he defended himself there.

One thing about this 'failed' Bam promise, or verification of TS as 'fake informer', it has made most of us more wary (maybe weary too :icon_lol:), and less bold about our beLIEfs, perhaps more eyes and ears peeled to all possible subtle things/illusions going on.   
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TS knew back in 2010 he would be posting the 7 signs in 2012.  I think he's got everything mapped out, with dead-ends and decoys, etc.  Maybe with this Bam-'fail', like a bucking horse, he intended to shake a few off, and see who could still hang on.
Well TS, we're still here, hanging on.  You couldn't get rid of us!!!


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TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?

However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!

Jermaine’s “The Tribute” has said “coming SOON” for about a year now {http://http://www.thetribute2010.com/}; actually, it was originally titled The Tribute 2009 {http://http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710}.  The “5 Brothers Enterprises” website—with BAM illustrated visually and in the audio—has also said “coming SOON” since December 2009 {http://http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com}.

TMZ had a “big clue” for January 18, 2010; but nothing happened {http://http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.  And in the same month (January 2010), Paris said “Daddy was supposed to be here.  Daddy was going to perform this year.” {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024}

Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.  This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897}.

Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning.  It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.

On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, verified account}.  What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”?  Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered?  If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already.  Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth.  Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.

Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”!  If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009.  Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.

Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.

And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case?  Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer.  That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.  Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer?  By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.

Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases.  She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.

Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities.  And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
 There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.

What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}.  This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.

Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010.  “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story?  [Jermaine:] Yes!  Yes!  You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.

Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already).  But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.

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I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway.  For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}.  Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.

Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want.  But please do NOT reference You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post.  Instead, use You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).

... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,

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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
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TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?”  And yes, summer is nearly over.  So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
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This is the proof that TS could be fake (until proven otherwise), he has predicted BAM more than once and BAM never happened.


BAM = BE AWARE OF MALICIOUS
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 11:45:37 AM
I looked up who is TS ELIOT  Thomas Stearns Eliot he was a publisher playwright, literary. Born in September 26 1888 I was just curious who this person would be> I remember TS did write a post and signed it TS Eliot. I wonder why he chose this name.  :)
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
I am so proud on us as a group here! although we came across hard times and our faith has been tested many times, we are still strong and united!
Keep it going!
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.
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Re: TIAI December 27
January 05, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
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When TS said that we could consider him a fake informer if there was no BAM by the deadline, to me it just meant that he was 100% certain it would happen so no one could even have the opportunity to call him that – it’s like he said that we could know he is the Queen Elizabeth. So maybe that there really are complications. I don't think that everything is set in stone despite the well planning of the Hoax so unexpected things can happen especially if this has something to do with the legal system. This is how I’m thinking right now about this – hoping we will get some more light in the near future. I will pray God to clear the way for Michael, it can only be a good thing.

My sentiments as well, Sarahli.

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