Autographed Michael Jackson Memorabilia May Be Phony

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Autographed Michael Jackson Memorabilia May Be Phony

  • on: December 19, 2012, 07:31:26 AM
Oh oh oh, what a mystery.... :thjajaja121:


Investigation: Autographed Michael Jackson Memorabilia May Be Phony
An auction featuring autographed memorabilia from the King of Pop garnered more than $5 million in one day.
By Joel Grover, Chris Henao and Phil Drechsler |  Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012  |  Updated 11:45 PM PST



Three years after his death, Michael Jackson remains the "King of Pop." Fans are willing to pay big bucks for almost anything with Jackson’s autograph. But an NBC4 I-Team Investigation found evidence that some of these autographs being sold may be fakes.

Acting on a tip, the I-Team attended a Dec. 2 auction at Julien’s Auctions in Beverly Hills of Jackson memorabilia owned by the singer’s longtime costume designers Dennis Tompkins and Michael Bush.

The auction garnered more than $5 million in one day. Buyers included Lady Gaga, who tweeted that she bought 55 items, including a $180,000 jacket with Jackson’s signature.

Experts say many of the items sold for high prices because they were supposedly autographed by Jackson himself. But five nationally-known autograph authenticators tell the I-Team that at least some of the auctioned autographs are probably fakes.

"I would definitely stake my reputation on the fact that these autographs are not authentic," autograph authenticator Roger Epperson said after examining signatures from 50 of the nearly 300 signed items recently auctioned at Julien’s.

Epperson is widely known as one of the nation’s experts on Michael Jackson’s autograph. He authenticates autographs for some of the nation’s biggest auction houses, and sells signed memorabilia himself.

One of the items Epperson examined was an autographed jacket (pictured below) from Jackson’s “Bad” Tour, bought for $4,375 by Beverly Hills dentist Joseph Goodman. "I am a big Michael Jackson fan," Goodman told the I-Team. "I wanted something signed."

"There’s a zero percent chance that that’s an authentic signature of Michael Jackson," Epperson said after examining the signature on the jacket Goodman bought. "The slant of the 'M' in 'Jackson' leans towards the right. A real one leans more to the left. The shapes are wrong, the slants are wrong, the size is wrong."



Experts say authenticating autographs is not science, but rather an expertise based on years of studying signatures. So the I-Team asked four more well-known authenticators to examine 11 autographed items from the Julien’s auction, including PSA/DNA, a company which authenticates for Christie’s Auction House and eBay.

Three of the four experts said it was their opinions that all 11 signatures were probably fakes. "Likely Not Genuine" is how PSA/DNA characterized the 11 autographs. The fourth expert said eight of the autograph samples we sent were "not likely to be genuine," and on three of them he was "unable to render an opinion."

The I-Team spoke with Michael Bush, Jackson’s longtime designer and the owner of the items auctioned at Julien’s. The I-Team asked Bush, who made millions from the Dec. 2 auction, why he thought experts were saying the autographs on his memorabilia were fake.

"I don’t know how to respond to it," he said. "I’m going to fake a bunch of signatures, a bunch of clothes, to destroy my reputation for 25 years of working for Michael? No, no."

The owner of Julien’s Auctions, Darren Julien, told the I-Team he believes the autographs he sold are genuine. "They come from someone who worked very closely with Michael Jackson … the people who made the items for Michael Jackson," Julien said.

The I-Team asked Julien to provide us with the names of any experts his auction used to authenticate the autographed items he sold for more than $1.5 million on Dec. 2. Julien told us to contact Laura Woolley, owner of The Collector’s Lab.

But Woolley told the I-Team she’s an appraiser of auction items, not an autograph authenticator. And she said one of the authenticators used by the I-Team, PSA/DNA, is reputable.

"I think they do great work," she said of PSA/DNA.

Woolley did say she’s looked at many of the autographed items in the Julien’s auction and thinks they’re genuine autographs. "I have no reason to doubt Michael Bush. The provenance of these signatures is solid," Woolley said.

Many autograph experts and buyers disagree, and are posting their comments on websites like Autograph Magazine Live.

"All but a few autographs in the Tompkins and Bush sale (at Julien’s) are so bad they don’t even resemble Michael Jackson’s signature," said Steve Cyrkin, editor of Autograph Magazine Live.

Those comments appear to have caught the attention of the FBI. Two of the I-Team’s sources said they have been contacted by the FBI about the allegedly fake autographs, and said that the agency requested interviews with them. FBI Spokesperson Laura Eimiller would "neither confirm nor deny" that the agency is investigating the autographs sold in the recent auction.

The brewing controversy has some purchasers of Jackson memorabilia feeling buyer’s remorse, including Goodman, who bought that signed jacket. "If it’s a fake signature, I don’t think I’m interested anymore" in keeping the jacket, Goodman said.

Julien has told the I-Team if any customer questions the authenticity of an autographed item they bought, he will give them their money back.

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The FBI part is intriguing..i don't know it's gonna be related to the hoax....uncovering the people who've been extorting MJ?

this news about the possible fake signatures was also posted in teammichaeljackson.com  {http://teammichaeljackson.com/juliens-auctions}
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I don't know what to make of this.

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So which one of these is fake?? One more to the left (right handed person i.m.o.), one more to the right (left handed person i.m.o.).


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Souza...are both these signatures from the same document? how can a document with two different signatures from a same person (or at least under the same name) be accepted?





this one is probably MJ's signature...more to the left...MJ is right handed...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2012, 08:57:12 AM by Thriller4ever »
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Souza...are both these signatures from the same document? how can a document with two different signatures from a same person (or at least under the same name) be accepted?





this one is probably MJ's signature...more to the left...MJ is right handed...

Maybe because they are both genuine signatures.... ;D

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Proof is in the pudding...





....there are no coincidences....
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Well, looky-looky here..... match or no match?
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« Last Edit: December 20, 2012, 10:23:57 AM by Snoopy71 »

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@snoopy  perfect!! it was necessary to have a clip (or gif) where Michael is ACTUALLY signing...

............LOL, souza!!!!
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People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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Thanks Souza, thanks Snoopy...greatest post!!!  :icon_bounce:
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LOL...maybe this is the first salvo in the soon to come barrage of all topics once declared regarding Michael being found to be false...something like...

Here...buy this jacket signed by Michael...ooopps...it's fake
Here...come see the final resting place of Michael at Forest Lawn...ooopps...he's NOT there
Etc. Etc.

Works for me anyway lol

Oh...and I do have to say that I think it's kinda cute that Michael's M looks sort of like a "heartbeat"
Always reach out to lend support and to help bear a heavy burden. 
There is no greater gift that you can give than your caring and love. 
Spread laughter and joy in your travels and carry love with you in abundant supply. 
Share life...share the world.

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The FBI part is intriguing..

I'll say!
After what we've been through with TS... :icon_lol:

Wouldn't it be funny if MJ signed all these post 'death' with a more unusual style just to drive everyone crazy, and Bush is then telling the truth. It just doesn't make sense to me that Bush would knowingly fake these when he knows fans could tell a fake easily, and it could ruin his whole stellar reputation.

Teddy Riley, "MJ lives for controversy!"  This is deja vu, just like the 3 'different' songs on the Michael album.

Thanks Souza, thanks Snoopy...greatest post!!!  :icon_bounce:

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The FBI part is intriguing..

I'll say!
After what we've been through with TS... :icon_lol:

Wouldn't it be funny if MJ signed all these post 'death' with a more unusual style just to drive everyone crazy, and Bush is then telling the truth.

JMO but my bet is that that is how it went.

Just like MJ impersonating an impersonator  :icon_e_wink:
People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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The FBI part is intriguing..

I'll say!
After what we've been through with TS... :icon_lol:

Wouldn't it be funny if MJ signed all these post 'death' with a more unusual style just to drive everyone crazy, and Bush is then telling the truth.

JMO but my bet is that that is how it went.

Just like MJ impersonating an impersonator  :icon_e_wink:

i was exactly thinking the same!
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So which one of these is fake?? One more to the left (right handed person i.m.o.), one more to the right (left handed person i.m.o.).




ahh so is randy phillips name actually brandon? 
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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I always thought that's where Americans got the name Randy from :errrr: short for bRANDon?
« Last Edit: December 20, 2012, 10:09:16 AM by Australian MJ BeLIEver »
People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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Maybe Michael wrote this signature with his left hand?     :TongueOutSmiley:
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Though my signature looks awful done with my other hand, with my proper left hand I can slant my letters any which way I choose.

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The FBI part is intriguing..

I'll say!
After what we've been through with TS... :icon_lol:

Wouldn't it be funny if MJ signed all these post 'death' with a more unusual style just to drive everyone crazy, and Bush is then telling the truth.

JMO but my bet is that that is how it went.

Just like MJ impersonating an impersonator  :icon_e_wink:

That's exactly what I was thinking ! Genius Michael is genius  :smiley_abuv:

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I always thought that's where Americans got the name Randy from :errrr: short for bRANDon?


for some reason that just makes me wonder if marlon's out of the blue thing with his long dead twin brother didn't have something about it that we missed. i mean when i look at that list of sibling names and then there is just brandon , sticks out like a sore thumb. maybe it is just me. :icon_e_confused: how long has randy phillips been in and around michael's affairs anyone know?
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Someone with the nickname of Mary L.Elizabeth Tweeted Karen Faye :

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@wingheart Hi Karen, can you please confirm whether you know if Michael did indeed ever stay at Michael Bush's house after having procedures done at Dr. Kleins.
I don't think Michael ever stayed there. We were at Carolwood EVERYday and went EVERYwhere Michael went, including to Dr. Kleins and MJ never went to Bush's from Kleins the entire time he was at Carolwood from December to June when he passed.
Julien's is saying Michael signed all the auction items at Bush's house under the influence of drugs when recovering from Kleins.

What are your thoughts on this please???

"Darren said that the reason Bush has so many things signed by Michael Jackson and the autographs look so different than normal is that Jackson often had procedures done by Dr. Klein and another doctor (I forget the last name, but I think it started with R), and he would often stay at Tompkins' and Bush's house afterwards to recover. Jackson would be on drugs during his recovery, and they would take that opportunity to give him lots of things to sign."


and this was her answer 
" Karen Faye ‏@wingheart
@maryroucoulet I answered that before...that's a ridiculous concept. "

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So which one of these is fake?? One more to the left (right handed person i.m.o.), one more to the right (left handed person i.m.o.).




ahh so is randy phillips name actually brandon?
That's interesting. Also, what's with the line going thru his name? It kind of looks like Michael's signature was started where Mr. Phillips signed.

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Someone with the nickname of Mary L.Elizabeth Tweeted Karen Faye :

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@wingheart Hi Karen, can you please confirm whether you know if Michael did indeed ever stay at Michael Bush's house after having procedures done at Dr. Kleins.
I don't think Michael ever stayed there. We were at Carolwood EVERYday and went EVERYwhere Michael went, including to Dr. Kleins and MJ never went to Bush's from Kleins the entire time he was at Carolwood from December to June when he passed.
Julien's is saying Michael signed all the auction items at Bush's house under the influence of drugs when recovering from Kleins.

What are your thoughts on this please???

"Darren said that the reason Bush has so many things signed by Michael Jackson and the autographs look so different than normal is that Jackson often had procedures done by Dr. Klein and another doctor (I forget the last name, but I think it started with R), and he would often stay at Tompkins' and Bush's house afterwards to recover. Jackson would be on drugs during his recovery, and they would take that opportunity to give him lots of things to sign."


and this was her answer 
" Karen Faye ‏@wingheart
@maryroucoulet I answered that before...that's a ridiculous concept. "
Thanks for posting this!  The plot thickens.

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They are either real or deliberate fakes... They have to be... going by that article where he said..

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Bush contents himself with the knowledge that he is impervious to conspiracy theories. "I've heard the talk -- there are those fans who think he's alive, that he's hanging out somewhere with Elvis," he says. "That day in the mortuary I got to see the truth."

he would be mad to know Michael is a live and then fake the signatures to make money for himself
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They are either real or deliberate fakes... They have to be... going by that article where he said..

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Bush contents himself with the knowledge that he is impervious to conspiracy theories. "I've heard the talk -- there are those fans who think he's alive, that he's hanging out somewhere with Elvis," he says. "That day in the mortuary I got to see the truth."

he would be mad to know Michael is alive and then fake the signatures to make money for himself


The thing I have trouble with is the timing. Timing is everything. 


Why did Bush wait to write the book till now? To auction the items till now?.....after his partner Tompkins had passed away. :icon_e_confused:


Could it be that Tompkins was the moral high ground of the duo?  :animal0017:

I guess only time will tell.




[...Bush contents himself with the knowledge that he is impervious to conspiracy theories ]  :ghsdf:

I hope for his sake, he's right. :icon_rolleyes:
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