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Because if you look hard enough you can find key numbers in everything/anything.
While I don't doubt there is something to numerology, but eventually you can calculate anything to advantage if you look at it hard enough... IMO, just saying. :icon_e_geek:
Quote from SimPattyK "And I think that at a certain point in their lives, both Michael and Elvis had become aware of these divine happenings ("coincidences") and being very spiritual in nature, they had constructed their hoax-plan all around these God given signs! They started their own numerology plans from those divine coincidences!
One last thing , if Michael is to BAM in December , why did he say " see you in July" ? :animal0017:
[...]But when you said that God plays a role in the hoax , what did you really mean ? [...]Obviously , Michael's message has and has always had some religious dimensions which can't be denied , but to say that God Himself is a part of the hoax ... well this is beyond me , so can anyone please explain that to me ? [...]
There's no doubt that Elvis and Michael ARE religious , but this doesn't necessarily mean that God Himself is a "part" of the hoax .
We are all given signs by god in a particular time of our lives , but most of us just choose to ignore the signs , Michael didn't and that's exactly why I think he was chosen
I think that it was Michael's spirituality that pushed him to take these " divine coincidences" into consideration .
But can numerology stand as a strong proof that God has a role in the hoax ?
Elvis strongly believed in numerology, the science of numbers. He recognized the unity of the universe, mapped in an interlacing pattern of Light, Form, Space and Dimension. The transformative power of this pattern is to be found in the vibration of numbers - a revelation of the life force within our Earth and our life potential. [...] You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Elvis describes to Wanda Hill the most touching thing that happened to him in 1975:"I-I-guess, when this little girl who is deaf, totally deaf, wrote to me a note and handed it to me at a concert and said she could hear me sing - my voice - and would I please speak to her. I leaned down - had to lay on the stage to reach her - and I said, ‘I love you, you’re beautiful,’ into her ear. She shook all over and grabbed me. There was such a power surge, I mean, between us - like-like voltages of electricity, and there was like a bright Light around us. Charlie saw it, James and the rest too, and my whole body was jolted. And she looked into my eyes and said, ‘I heard you!’ then she kinda fell and the guards took her to her seat. Later at the hotel, her folks sent a letter up to me sayin’ that she told them what I said. She couldn’t have read my lips, she didn’t see them. And they said in the letter she knew all the words to my records and claimed from childhood to be able to hear me! But she was totally deaf! I have to say that touched me in a unique way, more than anything that’s happened since. But I understand it." - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Joe Esposito, who was a friend and employee of Elvis' through the '60's and '70's, reveals in his book, 'Good Rockin' Tonight', an incident in which it would appear that Elvis' healing touch was nothing short of miraculous. Sylvia, one of The Sweet Inspirations back-up singers had been diagnosed with cancer. Elvis came to her dressing room, put his hands on her stomach and began to pray. The next day, when Sylvia went the hospital further tests concluded that there was no sign of cancer in her body.
The Healer - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginFrom a news clipping:"He (Elvis) firmly believed he had the powers of psychic healing by the laying on of hands. He believed he would be reincarnated. He believed he had the strength of will to move clouds in the air, and he was also convinced that there are beings on other planets. He firmly believed he was a prophet who was destined to lead, designated by God for a special role in Life."Through Elvis’ unconditional love of all peoples, he opened wide the door of his heart to the emotionally troubled and physically afflicted. As a result, those who had been given more than their share of rejection from others, flocked to his performances and often waited for him patiently outside his home. Even today, 20 years after his passing, many wheelchairs can be seen at the annual candlelight service at Graceland. He did not respond to these special ones with pity, nor did he interact with them through condescension. I have seen him enfold people in his arms who were in obvious emotional need; some physically marred, others only broken inside. Many were women who were quite homely. His communion with them was natural, and not self-conscious. He did not reach down to them, but across to them. As in the song he sang, "like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down."[...]
"My father's library of spiritual books is amazing. I've gone through these books. They're covered with his notes. He wrote on the top of the page, on the bottom of the page, in the margins - everywhere. You can hear him thinking when you read those notes" ~Lisa-Mary Presley
"Elvis believed that our ‘Light’ (soul) came from the light of God, but that Light (once spiritual) was now confined in the physical body - that same spiritual Light representing the sum total of knowledge. Realizing this and practicing this may explain why Elvis seemed to ‘Glow’, and why so many millions were and are attracted to this special man, how they automatically love him." - Gail Brewer-Giorgio
Elvis’ friend Larry Geller: - "From the moment we first met, I knew Elvis had a spiritual quality. I had never seen so much power in one person. The effect he had on people was tremendous. He could silence an entire room full of people just by walking in. It wasn’t just his fame that caused that - it was his aura of power."
The Birthmark - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThe following passage is from Wanda June Hill: “That cold January morning the woman’s first son came into the world lifeless, but as the man wept their loss the mid-wife cried out, ‘There’s another baby to come out here!’ Some minutes later the man went outside, raised his eyes to Heaven and thanked God for giving them one live child. As he turned back to the house, he saw streaming down from the sky a glowing blue light bathing the humble home where lay his wife and new born son. And the man said twenty-five years later, I knew Elvis had to be a special baby, he had the light of Heaven on him from birth. So said Vernon Presley of his famous son’s entrance into the world. That ‘special’ baby grew to be a unique and special man whose talent ranged far from mere entertainer to that of one who was gifted, beloved of millions and one never to be forgotten. “I knew Elvis for fifteen years. He had a quality one could only call magical and of a special nature. I believed him when he said, I’m not from here, I came from up there, from the Blue Star. One day you’ll know that’s true.”Several sources have told about the blue light which shone down upon the humble Tupelo shack the night of Elvis's birth, lighting his father's way to the well. It has further been stated that all the medicine bottles inside the house rattled violently on the shelves, several of them actually shattering. While the outside of the building was bathed in blue, the inner rooms were lit with a violet light. One can only imagine what must have gone through the minds and hearts of those who witnessed this event, keeping it largely a secret for the duration of Elvis's lifetime.Such phenomena certainly fit the pattern of 'sacred births' throughout the ages. Those who are born to serve the masses in a unique way, beyond the normal role of leadership, have had situations of conception and birth that were far from normal in their circumstances. I do not imply here that Elvis was a 'god', but I do see his birth, life and death as paralleling other human beings who were destined as spiritual leaders in various degrees of brilliance. It would seem that select human souls are chosen in major cycles of planetary development, to enter into roles beyond their personal humanity. These souls are bestowed with a special grace. They are knighted to do battle with the dragons of our corruption, and emerge as symbols of the greatest good which we can and must strive to release from within ourselves. [...]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]Photographer Sean Shaver in his book, ‘Elvis In Focus’ comments on Elvis’ face thusly:"His skin glowed, and his eyes had a shine to them that I had never seen before or since in any person’s eyes. I was never able to get a photograph of him that did him justice. I have never had anyone who ever saw him in person tell me they thought the real Elvis had been caught on film.....Here was perfection in the male face. Adding to his looks was the fact that he never took himself seriously. He joked about how he looked....He was like something out of a dream....When Elvis entered the room everybody turned to see him, even those facing away from where he made his entrance somehow knew he was there. Without seeing him you knew he was near, you felt his presence. "It was not because he was Elvis the singer but because of some invisible power he had. It went far beyond being charismatic. It was a power. It was magnetic. If others had not made the same comment I could not say it, I would not want to sound like something was wrong with me."[..]
[...] but eventually you can calculate anything to advantage if you look at it hard enough... IMO, just saying. :icon_e_geek:
Wow Sim baby, are you on a rolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!! I couldn't have said it better myself!
Like Front said each one sees different things in the forest. And remember TS's offer of money to prove the hoax numbers and events could be coincidental. As well:You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
It’s interesting in light of the numbers that Kobe Bryant spoke at MJ’s memorial. However he possibly is not knowing of the hoax. I also found it interesting to hear that Jackie and Marlon had season tickets to the Lakers; I wonder if MJ did also.
Front also mentioned how the small atom structure is a picture of the larger scale of the solar system and universe structure.
Our God is a precise and orderly God who created an orderly universe. This physical cosmos is governed by mathematical as well as Spiritual laws. Scores of mathematical constants can be proven scientifically and verified biblically. Even the value of pi has been calculated from the Hebrew Bible to an accuracy that measures the circle of the earth to within 25 yards!All matter in the universe has been assigned a number. Every atom and molecule is defined by its atomic number. The ocean waves and the wave-length of light and sound possess specific numeric values. For instance, the difference between the colors "red" and "blue" is the length of a light-wave and can be expressed as a number. The difference between the note middle C on a piano - F, G, or A - is the frequency or number of vibrations of the note per second.God's Word declares that even the hairs of our head are numbered! The DNA in your hair can be expressed as a number unique to yourself! Our omniscient God has numbered the dust of the earth, the stars of the sky and measured the universe with a handspan (Genesis 15:5; Isaiah 40:12).Our ineffable God was pleased to assimilate a system of numerological patterns in the Hebrew and Greek texts of scripture that undeniably demonstrate His Supernatural authorship of the Bible. These number patterns remain constant and intact throughout the whole Bible in spite of the Holy Spirit's use of forty major different authors to write His Word over 35 centuries.This phenomenon in scripture is called numerology which is simply "the study of numbers" and the meanings assigned thereto. Biblical numerology is absolutely nothing to do with the occult practice of the same name and is sometimes called theomatics. I like to call this line of study Biblical numerics because that's what Brother Branham called it, and to differentiate it from the false system of occult numerology. There are more than sixty references by the Prophet to the meanings of God's numbers.Hebrews, Chapter Three, p. 90:15: "There's not another piece of literature written anywhere that can do that. And mathematically, and geographically, and every way; there's not a Book in the world wrote like the Bible; there's nothing. The numatics of the Bible is perfectly in harmony; just even chapters, and punctuations, and everything is perfect". [ . . . ]
I'm just believing in Michael, is all!!! In a sense he's God in the flesh for me, hope I don't offend. Though I've been raised hard core in Christian culture, for me now, Jesus is too long ago to relate to. Sorry don't to mean to offend. I still love the Bible.
My husband said to me last night, MJ absolutely couldn't be the Messiah. I said but how will you recognize if it's the Messiah?
He says because everyone knows the true Jesus is going to appear in the sky,
and there's going to be earth-shattering events around the globe. Hmmm...
Well as we all know, it ain't over till it's over.
From ‘We Remember, Elvis’ by Wanda Hill: - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login"Elvis always wanted to go to the Holy Land and see where Jesus lived and walked, and he longed for Jesus to return to Earth. From reading and studying the Bible - Daniel, The Book of Revelations, and Matthew, and other parts as well - Elvis developed ideas about the return of Jesus, which he discussed with preachers and people who should know...when all the prophecy is fulfilled, after the famines, floods, earthquakes, wars and rumors of wars; the time would come for Jesus to return and claim His people...all those believing in Him and following His teachings. They will be spared the time of great torment and tribulations to follow.He also spoke of the Bible’s mention of two prophets returning to Earth and being killed for their influence upon mankind, and for three days all nations would ‘see them lying’ in the streets. Until there were television satellites, he believed this could not have been fulfilled, but now we are able to send pictures around the world in minutes. Someone like Martin Luther King or John Kennedy could be one of those prophets. Because, he said a ‘prophet’ does not necessarily mean a person who speaks of visions or predicts the future, but one who tells of what a thing could be - as Martin Luther King told of his ‘dream’. I am now wondering as I recall all of his words, could Elvis Presley have been one of those prophets? He too, influenced the world and spoke to the masses. Should he have chosen to lead, he very easily could have commanded great forces in whatever capacity he selected, and for three days we saw him ‘lying’ in the streets as we witnessed the masses mourning his death via television."And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt...."It is noteworthy that Elvis died, ‘lay in state’, and was buried in Memphis, a city in Tennessee named after an ancient city in Egypt - the city which claimed Ptah as their ‘God of Memphis’. Martin Luther King, also was slain in Memphis, Tennessee. Elvis and JFK share important numerological similarities, and both King and Kennedy were revered by Elvis. Of course, that makes three ‘prophets’ instead of two, but could it be that the number ‘two’ in the Biblical context is a number code and does not necessarily refer to only two individuals? Perhaps there are several people who compose the ‘two witnesses’.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhen Elvis was a little boy he went to a Pentecostal revival where the minister practiced ‘speaking in tongues’, a mysterious ability of some to speak in an unknown language. This was accomplished by several of the Apostles of Christ, and mentioned in the Bible. After the Pentecostal minister finished his speaking in tongues he was suppose to stand and translate what he had just said. This time he did not, and young Elvis stood instead, rendering a meaning of these words to the satisfaction of the assembly.In the 1950's when Elvis first became popular, he was not accustomed to the intensity of energy focused on him by his following. It would often make his nose bleed. When he came offstage, he some times fainted from sensitivity to the energy blasting he received from an enthusiastic audience. Unconscious, he would begin to speak in an unknown language. Regaining consciousness, he had no memory of the occurrence, and so on one occasion, a friend tape recorded his trance like jargon. Upon listening to the tape, Elvis did not recognize the language, but took the recording to a language expert, who identified it as ‘ancient Hebrew’. This, Elvis told Wanda Hill, was what began his deep study of the BibleElvis believed his cosmic heritage was linked with the Sun. Jose Arguelles, in ‘The Mayan Factor’, writes of Ahau Kines, the Mayan name for ‘Priests of the Sun’ and ‘Diviners of Harmony’. [...]
Sim, I like the article you posted about Elvis' birth and the blue light. He also said he was from the blue star. Remember the photo of Michael with a blue planet/circle on one eye ? Remember the song "I'm So Blue" on Bad25 ? Maybe he's trying to say the same thing ? Are they both connected to/or from the blue star ? IDK There's also the blue "soul group".