TIAI December 10

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TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 03:49:12 AM
I think that yes it's a pretty big clue. First because of the meaning and because if we add all the "coincidences" together it makes this re-tweet something important. The fact that LaToya conveniently authenticated Paris' account just before looks like she paved the way for us to take the RT seriously... because if LaToya had not done that, no one would really believe it's Paris' account and many would have even more doubts as to the validity of this RT and its significance.

Now I understand the objection in regards to this being just a RT from another account.  It's not really possible to know if the person behind this account was asked to tweet this specifically but one has to wonder given the meaning of this tweet and how well it fits the hoax. It seems to me the fact that it's "only" a RT by Paris makes it also a little less obvious because if Paris tweeted that herself ... well I find that it would maybe be too big of a clue and people would ask her what she means and maybe harass her on twitter for that, so I see it like a little protection and I keep in mind that this is a clue for us the hoaxers, so we should understand the "subtlety", JMO of course.

Of course the mention of BAM and 2012 ... I think it cannot be clearer than that. At this point we cannot believe in coincidences.


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20261.msg351417.html#msg351417

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 04:00:27 AM
Just checked thisisalsoit.com myself and saw this new redirect for today. Paris the clue giver  :icon_albino:   :smiley_abuv:

An encouraging sign since it seems alot of members are feeling a bit down lately, including myself.....or the mood on the board seems a bit deflated....anyway  :woohoo2:

Cool......very cool  :icon_e_biggrin:

I remember this re-tweet from Paris last year on her daddy's birthday and the original thread about it by TS last year too

Bring it home MJ ! 

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 04:03:32 AM
Okaaay - another redirect about BAM, this time with 2012 included.

TS_comments' thread starter is pretty cool!

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20261.msg351315.html#msg351315

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 04:07:05 AM
I'm sorry, can anyone explain me what the "redirects" mean?  :smiley-vault-misc-150: I don't get it  :(
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:06:00 AM
I'm sorry, can anyone explain me what the "redirects" mean?  :smiley-vault-misc-150: I don't get it  :(

This REDIRECT of December 10, 2012 hints to a thread that TS_Comments had started back in August 29, 2011. ---. TIAI August 29
Among the many posters, @Sarahli had made a comment that happens to suit now with the messages that TS needs us to know right now! therefore he redirected us to Sarahli's comment, see below.
The main point of this redirect is BAM IN 2012 + FOLLOW PARIS TWITTER ACCOUNT !

 :) :-* :) :michael-jackson:  :affraid: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile YOUPIIIIEEE :omg: :penguin: :michael_jackson-1135: :icon_bounce:  :icon_e_wink: :icon_rr:




Here's TS' comment from that 2011 thread



My last post was 12 days ago; and in that post I stated: “for certain that MJ will BAM before the end of 2012”, {TIAI August 17, http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20134.0}.  In that post I also mentioned, for the very first time, the Twitter account for Paris.  A few days after my post, La Toya verified her account once again {http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/100693639176523776; http://twitter.com/#!/latoyajackson/status/105425901583466497;
http://twitter.com/#!/pariisjaxn/status/105417423037018112}.

And then, one week later, we had yet another colossal coincidence!    :lol:  The very same person that TS referred to (Paris), retweeted on the very same subject of that last post (2012 and BAM): “Everyone thinks dinosuars are extinct I bet they are just playing an epic game of hide & seek & then..when 2012 hits BAM! DINOSAUR INVASION” {http://twitter.com/#!/GlRLTHINGS/status/107944495320023040; http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,18330.msg351117.html#msg351117}.

Would real dinosaurs actually play a “game”, and intentionally “hide” (and we should “seek” them)?  Are we supposed to conclude that Paris really believes there will be an invasion of literal dinosaurs in 2012?   :? :?: :roll:  And if not, then what could this possibly mean—other than the obvious!?!

Everyone thinks dinosaurs (giants in music, MJ and Elvis) are extinct (dead); but I bet they are just playing an epic (look this word up) game (ARG) of hide (fake death) & seek (hoax investigation) & then … when 2012 hits BAM (everyone who thinks that these giants are dead, will find out that they are NOT dead)!  Could it be any clearer????????????

This means that we should not expect any BAM before the trail—and yes, there will be a trial.  I can’t guarantee that there won’t be any more delays; but at this point, any further delays will most likely be short compared to the previous delays.

Instead of MJ receiving a birthday present, this year he gave a present to his hoax family (a "giant" BAM clue, through Paris).  “It is more blessed to give than to receive.” (Acts 20:35).

I finished my last post with this statement, “I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!”  And now I will finish this post with the following statement, “If MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that Paris is a fake informer—and even La Toya, since she verified the pariisjaxn Twitter account more than once.”
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:15:35 AM
Another redirect mentionning a double-bam - 7BahrainAndMichael remark was posted on the double-bam thread and now we have this Paris tweet about a dinosaur invation, and TS said himself that dinosaurs represented the giants in music (MJ and Elvis)... Well...wow  :LolLolLolLol:
Is it too good to be true? XD

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:18:28 AM
Jos, also you must type into your website address this:

http://www.thisisalsoit.com

and then whatever it displays is the new re-direct!

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:27:44 AM
Another redirect mentionning a double-bam - 7BahrainAndMichael remark was posted on the double-bam thread and now we have this Paris tweet about a dinosaur invation, and TS said himself that dinosaurs represented the giants in music (MJ and Elvis)... Well...wow  :LolLolLolLol:
Is it too good to be true? XD
:icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: Same thoughts here !!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:  :elvis-1405:  :moonwalk_:


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:31:39 AM
Speaking of ELVIS!
This is my latest discovery...

VIDEO --->  Walt Disney - Elvis Presley - Michael Jackson - XMAS (2012)  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvm7we_walt-disney-elvis-presley-michael-jackson-xmas-2012_people#.UMO0ESJ4wwJ

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 06:03:25 AM
Jos, also you must type into your website address this:

http://www.thisisalsoit.com

and then whatever it displays is the new re-direct!

Ah, okay, thank you  :bearhug: I think I've got it now :)
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 07:02:03 AM
Sim, remember this?  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16841&p=286963&hilit=nelson+de+la+nuez
Maybe MJ and Elvis are both hiding at his cabin?  One of many options!


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 07:36:14 AM
Sim, remember this?  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16841&p=286963&hilit=nelson+de+la+nuez
Maybe MJ and Elvis are both hiding at his cabin?  One of many options!



LMAO  :icon_lol: speaking of the POOL table!
 Imagine these 2 having some fun there until BAM ?  :icon_lol:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 07:47:00 AM
I was actually thinking about this tweet the other day... I "re-tweeted" it on my facebook account back then  :icon_razz:

Looking forward to the BAM Michael!!  :woohoo2:

Our prayers are with you..

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Re: TIAI December 10

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Thank you TS for another BAM-related re-direct! :)

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Re: TIAI December 10

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Thank you TS for another BAM-related re-direct! :)
hoorayy!!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: make it happen Michael!  :icon_razz:
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MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 12:59:51 PM
Cool re-direct! I just feel like doing a happy dance!  :penguin: :icon_lol:

This post holds several aspects and of course the main one is BAM + 2012. Is it to reassure us that Bam is really coming soon -- Michael’s way to leave us a little encouraging note along to way?  ;D



Ps @ MJonline your signature is Bamtastic!  :woohoo2:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 01:14:50 PM
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Ps @ MJonline your signature is Bamtastic! :woohoo2:
I_DEED !! :icon_lol:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 01:15:33 PM
Sim, remember this?  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16841&p=286963&hilit=nelson+de+la+nuez
Maybe MJ and Elvis are both hiding at his cabin?  One of many options!



I do remember this........now I see the art on the wall.  The middle picture....is that Charlie Chaplin? 
Can anyone see what the other two are? 
Here is the one I see in the middle:



http://www.posterrevolution.com/poster.cfm/the-adventurer-movie-charlie-chaplin-poster-print-13x19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventurer_(film)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84nIFGJRwPU[/youtube]



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0007613/

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 01:24:47 PM
Another redirect mentionning a double-bam - 7BahrainAndMichael remark was posted on the double-bam thread and now we have this Paris tweet about a dinosaur invation, and TS said himself that dinosaurs represented the giants in music (MJ and Elvis)... Well...wow  :LolLolLolLol:
Is it too good to be true? XD

I ve always thought that Michael was / is hiding in a certain country of the Arab world , coz he wouldn't be much recognised there . + He lived in there for almost a year after he'd gone through the nightmare of the accusations and  molestation trial ! So little is known of Michael's life in Bahrain because he probably wanted it to be so ..




( I just LOVE this picture )



 It would have been easy for him to be disguided because women in there are covered from head to toe =) ( look at the shoes ! :icon_geek:)




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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
@Jowayria: great pics !  :icon_e_wink:


I do remember this........now I see the art on the wall.  The middle picture....is that Charlie Chaplin? 
Can anyone see what the other two are? 
Here is the one I see in the middle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventurer_(film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0007613/

WoW! great find @Wishy!
i can't for the life of me distinguish the other 2. But the one below seems to be a portrait of a lady from the '30s, maybe a MUTE film actress?
it definitely seems to be a Michael-ish setting  :icon_e_wink:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
@Jowayria: great pics !  :icon_e_wink:


I do remember this........now I see the art on the wall.  The middle picture....is that Charlie Chaplin? 
Can anyone see what the other two are? 
Here is the one I see in the middle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventurer_(film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0007613/

WoW! great find @Wishy!
i can't for the life of me distinguish the other 2. But the one below seems to be a portrait of a lady from the '30s, maybe a MUTE film actress?
it definitely seems to be a Michael-ish setting  :icon_e_wink:

For the first poster, I did actually think of Mary Pickford right off......great minds!
She's a very interesting person really........also liked being behind the camera as well:






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pickford



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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 02:30:27 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU4mkpmLEbU&feature=fvst[/youtube]

No comment except you have a typo. lolol/

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This means that we should not expect any BAM before the trail—and yes, there will be a trial.

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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,20261.msg351517.html#msg351517

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 03:16:18 PM
Does anyone else feel like it's getting repetitive? I feel like we're being stalled with these re-directs. This is all stuff we've already known about, clearly. Maybe we're just being reminded, but I don't think any of us would have forgot about things like this, Paris (re)tweeting about BAM 2012. And if we did... it's all archived. I like new things, not redirects to posts from over a year ago...

Edit: I've just seen Randy Jackson Jr. (@randyjacksonjr)'s latest tweet:
"Re-examine all you've been told.."

Seems like an explanation for why TS has redirected to these old posts... interesting  :icon_albino:
« Last Edit: December 10, 2012, 03:18:29 PM by katy :) »


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 03:46:36 PM
 :elvis-1405: :th_bravo: :multiplespotting:  PARTY TIME.
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......
We can change the world, He can't do it by himself.

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......

Sorry but that BYE I don't like it, what does it mean? Hmmmm....I hope nothing bad please  :bowdown:

Katy thanks for sharing, that Randy Jackson Jr. tweet is just legitimising what TS redirected about BAM 2012.
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U]pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U[/size]


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......









Someone looked at this photo?


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 07:10:19 PM
I did, but I didn't know how to put the photo directly on this topic   :D
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 08:28:49 PM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......

Sorry but that BYE I don't like it, what does it mean? Hmmmm....I hope nothing bad please  :bowdown:

Katy thanks for sharing, that Randy Jackson Jr. tweet is just legitimising what TS redirected about BAM 2012.

That is not the verified official twitter account of Michael Jackson...it could be any person.

This is the Verified Official twitter: https://twitter.com/michaeljackson

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 10, 2012, 11:00:04 PM
Michael if you return  :michael_jackson-1135: i will be one of the happies girls on earth. I amoungst many will have Tshirts made so my so called "friends" can eat my words. I TOLD THEM SO. Now whos looney?! LOL. If Elvis is with you that would be the most awesomest BAM ever in our lifetime. We love you Michael. We love him too. I would be so happy to be able to see you both be able to return amoung the living and be able to enjoy your families and be seen ocassionally from afar. Peace and Love to you both! ~a dearly dedicated fan~ Sheryll from Oklahoma.
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 11, 2012, 12:55:20 AM
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Thank you TS : )


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 11, 2012, 01:29:05 AM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......

Sorry but that BYE I don't like it, what does it mean? Hmmmm....I hope nothing bad please  :bowdown:

Katy thanks for sharing, that Randy Jackson Jr. tweet is just legitimising what TS redirected about BAM 2012.

No sweet...maybe the person was signing out... and that's why a bye..

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 11, 2012, 10:53:53 AM
I posted this on the Back/Front thread earlier, but I think this could also been posted here:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
#namealegend pic.twitter.com/jscbXx2U


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
if you're a Jackson , i'm a Fan


And the latest one:


Michael Jackson ᴴᴰ ‏@TheMjjOfficial
Bye......

Sorry but that BYE I don't like it, what does it mean? Hmmmm....I hope nothing bad please  :bowdown:

Katy thanks for sharing, that Randy Jackson Jr. tweet is just legitimising what TS redirected about BAM 2012.

No sweet...maybe the person was signing out... and that's why a bye..

Thank you sweetie!
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 11, 2012, 04:25:56 PM
Michael if you return  :michael_jackson-1135: i will be one of the happies girls on earth. I amoungst many will have Tshirts made so my so called "friends" can eat my words. I TOLD THEM SO. Now whos looney?! LOL. If Elvis is with you that would be the most awesomest BAM ever in our lifetime. We love you Michael. We love him too. I would be so happy to be able to see you both be able to return amoung the living and be able to enjoy your families and be seen ocassionally from afar. Peace and Love to you both! ~a dearly dedicated fan~ Sheryll from Oklahoma.
I will also be happy, but from what TS has posted I get the feeling that post-Bam will not be the time to be saying any 'I told you so's'.  The back-lash may be fierce and we may be running for cover. And it may be only the beginning of a 'particularly terrifying nightmare';  I'm thinking this from:

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And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing!  But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE).  And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.  It isn’t.  It’s the beginning.

Scripture says in end times the wrath of the Evil one will be great, unleashing terrible times.
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11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 11, 2012, 11:41:39 PM
Information about 'Third Eye Blind'  which was tweeted by Paris, thought it would be better if I post it here :

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Third Eye Blind-

Third Eye is the eye that opens you up to the satanic demonic thoughts that are available to anyone...

the third eye blind which was thought up by Stephan Jenkins means that that eye is closed and no demonic thoughts can get in...

the 1st studio album which was a massive hit across the globe was a way to spread illuminati ideas to the pop culture... along with the 2nd album

Songs like Semi-Charmed Life and Jumper and Darkness along with Darwin.. Songs about sex drugs and Killing yourself and survival of the fitess .. which are demonic thoughts were accepted by the Mass media.

After the 2nd album Stephan Jenkins realized that his words were influencing people to follow the illuminati... in there belief that that destructive behavior was a positive thing. This soaly is the reason Kevin Cadogen out of the band.

He decided that his soul was not for Sale... " IM NOT FOR SALE!! IM NOT FOR SALE!! MY LIFE MY LIFE MY LIFE MY LIFE!!" decided that his true beliefs were not worth his potential gradification he could recieve by joining this satanic group.

to him it was more important to discuss values that he truly belived rather than to discuss the materialistic belifes that were portrayed in his previous lyrics..

" And the Strong Survived" --- Darwin last song off Blue
"My LIfe my life, not for sale"-- Faster 1st song OOTV


the 1st song after stephan jenkins dismissed Cadogen from the group FASTER showed, that stephan jenkins cared less about fame and fortune then his morals about right and wrong. He understood that by preaching these true values he would recieve more gradufucation in this and future lives then if he had sold his soul to the belief that satanic values would benefit him in his current life.


God of Wine-- Neglected heavily and Jenkins thought it would be a massive hit was only written by jenkins and was neglected on the 1st album.. one of which is played at the end of every single 3eb show known to man.. with a few acceptions... "can we get clean again."
-- this is a threory and far fetched at that.. but why not stir the pot.--
{http://thirdeyeblind.groundctrl.net/forum/general/194631/page/2}

This makes me remember the documentary "Michael Jackson Not For Sale"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4sWOh1YJeg[/youtube]

Would this mean that Michael is NOT WITH ILLUMINATI ?


And this one :


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Third Eye Blind Pens Occupy Wall Street Anthem

So much for the drum circles and troubadors whose sounds dominate most Occupy Wall Street encampments. Local alt-rock band Third Eye Blind penned a song that may become the definitive Occupy Wall Street album. Frontman Stephan Jenkins — a UC Berkeley valedictorian, according to the Huffington Post — references Scott Olsen, tear gas canisters, Zuccotti Park, and Occupy Oakland. In an accompanying PSA, he declares himself a staunch supporter.
{http://www.eastbayexpress.com/CultureSpyBlog/archives/2011/11/17/third-eye-blind-pens-occupy-wall-street-anthem}

So is paris going anti-TPTB ?
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 12, 2012, 12:54:36 AM
Thanks Thriller4ever for that video, which I had not seen before!  Obviously shot before June 25th, and obviously by people who cared not a whit for MJ the person and entertainer but only for any money his things could generate. The arrogant assumptions that Schmuley and Taraborrelli made sicken me.  They haven't got a foggy clue about who MJ really is-- telling me they are idiots to be ignored.  They had no idea of his brilliance, genius and pulling the wool over people exactly like them, who couldn't think past their own noses.  Ugh...

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 12, 2012, 01:59:34 AM
Thanks Thriller4ever for that video, which I had not seen before!  Obviously shot before June 25th, and obviously by people who cared not a whit for MJ the person and entertainer but only for any money his things could generate. The arrogant assumptions that Schmuley and Taraborrelli made sicken me.  They haven't got a foggy clue about who MJ really is-- telling me they are idiots to be ignored.  They had no idea of his brilliance, genius and pulling the wool over people exactly like them, who couldn't think past their own noses.  Ugh...

I know, that documentary is actually not worth watching, but I connected it's title to the 'Third Eye Blind's song My life, not for sale'. These guys are anti-illuminati, or so it is said...Here they are referring to selling of souls which takes place in the music industry...one way of the TPTB to gain control over the celebrities.

'Michael Jackson not for sale ' made me think whether this refers to illuminati not involved in the creation of the hoax which was suspected earlier. Illuminati not being in the hoax would imply that a part of FBI is helping MJ...and this part of FBI has the good guys and they are not revealing the hoax to the bad guys...

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 12, 2012, 03:17:03 AM
Hello,
i hope we get a new redirect today...the 12.12.12....special date and the last in this millenium. We had one at the 09.09.09, 10.10.10., 11.11.11 and today ?
There will be no 13.13.13  :LolLolLolLol:
To all a happy day !
I am sad today...it would be my mothers 88 birthday...born on the 12.12.24....sadly she passed away 14 years ago....i love and miss you mom !

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 12, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
Another redirect mentionning a double-bam - 7BahrainAndMichael remark was posted on the double-bam thread and now we have this Paris tweet about a dinosaur invation, and TS said himself that dinosaurs represented the giants in music (MJ and Elvis)... Well...wow  :LolLolLolLol:
Is it too good to be true? XD
:icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: Same thoughts here !!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:  :elvis-1405:  :moonwalk_:

Still thinking about these 2 ^^ redirects hinting to double BAM!
And Wishy sent me yesterday a link about Elvis meeting with Nixon back in 1970 on.... "coincidence"? December 21st !!! exactly!!
So I've been thinking and thinking... this must be something about those dates and numbers and everything... and this is what I came up to: There will be 42 years between the Nixon meeting back in December 21st, 1970 and the Mayan calendar prediction for the end of the world on December 21st, 2012. That's exactly 42 years, which also "happens" to be Elvis' death age!! and he also just "happened" to wear that Mayan calendar jumpsuit on his last concerts! Are these ONLY coincidences?? Don't think so !!
What do you guys think?


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 12, 2012, 09:21:42 PM
SimPattyK, No I don't think there are all these coincidences.  It seems to me that MJ and Elvis are both working with God.  How else could all these precise calculations be working ?

Look at all these calculations on this video about the great pyramid.  I know Front and others have mentioned some of them.  Look at the part about the planets earth,venus,and mars lining up with the pyramids.  This is during July of 2009, which is also 1260 days or 3.5 years until 12/21/12 !!  The pyramids are such amazing clocks.  Look at what happens at the top and we're almost there.
 
Thoth Time Temple   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nms_2A2dJUI


Here's one about 12-12-12 and the Gateway to zero point.  She talks about a rainbow bridge to 12/21.  Sim, remember all the rainbows ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsMSN7vQSM

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 01:39:02 AM
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SimPattyK, No I don't think there are all these coincidences.  It seems to me that MJ and Elvis are both working with God.  How else could all these precise calculations be working ?
Or chances of a trillion trillion to one that they are all coincidental.

Or MJ and Elvis had a team of 100 top mathematicians working full time for 50 years to co-ordinate all the times, dates, numbers, events, people to be right.


Nope--only with God's help and direction! IMO

Sim, that's awesome the 42 years!  Can you also post your pic collection for MJ and 24/42!  Thanks!  You usually put them back to back.

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 05:08:04 AM
Another redirect mentionning a double-bam - 7BahrainAndMichael remark was posted on the double-bam thread and now we have this Paris tweet about a dinosaur invation, and TS said himself that dinosaurs represented the giants in music (MJ and Elvis)... Well...wow  :LolLolLolLol:
Is it too good to be true? XD
:icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: Same thoughts here !!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:  :elvis-1405:  :moonwalk_:

Still thinking about these 2 ^^ redirects hinting to double BAM!
And Wishy sent me yesterday a link about Elvis meeting with Nixon back in 1970 on.... "coincidence"? December 21st !!! exactly!!
So I've been thinking and thinking... this must be something about those dates and numbers and everything... and this is what I came up to: There will be 42 years between the Nixon meeting back in December 21st, 1970 and the Mayan calendar prediction for the end of the world on December 21st, 2012. That's exactly 42 years, which also "happens" to be Elvis' death age!! and he also just "happened" to wear that Mayan calendar jumpsuit on his last concerts! Are these ONLY coincidences?? Don't think so !!
What do you guys think?


coincidences? no way!  :icon_razz: just well calculated game with numbers from both  :icon_razz: do you remember shirt with number 24 Murray was wearing? and there are more MJ and Murray related pictures with that number..I can feel we are really close to something... :icon_bounce:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 07:42:22 AM
@emulik: I feel the same way too!!  :icon_e_wink: :icon_bounce:
Regarding #24 & #42 , see montage below.


SimPattyK, No I don't think there are all these coincidences.  It seems to me that MJ and Elvis are both working with God. 
How else could all these precise calculations be working ?
I also ALWAYS believed that many of the similarities and numerological "coincidences" discovered so far between Michael and Elvis had 2 possible sources:
1. their OWN plan/calculations! ---> INTENTIONAL "coincidences" !!
2. GOD's will!! ---> divine 'coincidences" !!

And I think that at a certain point in their lives, both Michael and Elvis had become aware of these divine happenings ("coincidences") and being very spiritual in nature, they had constructed their hoax-plan all around these God given signs! They started their own numerology plans from those divine coincidences! That's my only way of understanding these INEXPLICABLE crazy perfect numbers and dates that keep coming up in parallel with regards to Elvis and Michael!
If you ADD to that ^^ their God given talent and the incredible magnetism they had over masses of people, then everything becomes even more CLEAR: they were chosen and gifted by God to fulfill his mission here on Earth!
I know this ^^ may sound so crazy and hallucinative/paranoid for unaware people and for those who don't believe in God. But if anyone of them comes up with a better explanation (other than God's intervention) , I would be happy to listen to it and take it into consideration!!

Look at all these calculations on this video about the great pyramid.  I know Front and others have mentioned some of them.  Look at the part about the planets earth,venus,and mars lining up with the pyramids.  This is during July of 2009, which is also 1260 days or 3.5 years until 12/21/12 !!  The pyramids are such amazing clocks.  Look at what happens at the top and we're almost there.
 Thoth Time Temple   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nms_2A2dJUI

Here's one about 12-12-12 and the Gateway to zero point.  She talks about a rainbow bridge to 12/21.  Sim, remember all the rainbows ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsMSN7vQSM

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I've watched the beginning of the first link and the entire second link , I need more time to watch them both again. They are awesome videos! THANK you for posting them @DWA! Thank you for offering me one more explanation for all those RAINBOW connections (and the BRIDGE) I kept seeing in both Michael's and Elvis' art! I've always wondered... what did they mean by all those ORION, Milky Way, JUPITER finger pointings and the RAINBOW and the COLORS!!
I love it how in the first video they explain everything by just drawing LINES between important DOTS (points/locations) and then all of the sudden the "picture" (puzzle) becomes bigger and clearer! WOW! Just like we've been guided in this hoax!! Connect the dots, draw the lines (connections)!
OMG! I feel I'm walking again on some unknown territory! i feel the thrills and chills down my spine again!! We're about to discover huge stuff here! That's how I feel right now!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:



Nope--only with God's help and direction! IMO
  :icon_e_wink:

Sim, that's awesome the 42 years!  Can you also post your pic collection for MJ and 24/42!  Thanks!  You usually put them back to back.
THAT # 42 is SOMETHING! isn't IT!?   :icon_e_wink:

Here are those montages... and again: there are some dates and numbers here that nobody but GOD could have planned that way!




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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 10:43:21 AM
Guys , I'm sorry I m a bit confused here . I do believe that numerology is of a major importance in the hoax . But when you said that God plays a role in the hoax , what did you really mean ? I am not that religious but I respect other people's interest in religion . Obviously ,  Michael's message has and has always had some religious dimensions which can't be denied , but to say that God Himself is a part of the hoax ... well this is beyond me , so can anyone please explain that to me ?
One last thing , if Michael is to BAM in December , why did he say " see you in July" ?  :animal0017:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 11:17:22 AM
Guys , I'm sorry I m a bit confused here . I do believe that numerology is of a major importance in the hoax . But when you said that God plays a role in the hoax , what did you really mean ? I am not that religious but I respect other people's interest in religion . Obviously ,  Michael's message has and has always had some religious dimensions which can't be denied , but to say that God Himself is a part of the hoax ... well this is beyond me , so can anyone please explain that to me ?
One last thing , if Michael is to BAM in December , why did he say " see you in July" ?  :animal0017:

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God has to be part of this hoax because is part of Michael's life I mean Michael will never do anything without counting with the help of God it's as easy as that. On the other hand "see you in july" I think we arrived to the conclusion that, if I am not wrong, he said it because his next encounter with his public would be on his memorial in July 2009 and we all thought that Michael was there in disguise.
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from SimPattyK "And I think that at a certain point in their lives, both Michael and Elvis had become aware of these divine happenings ("coincidences") and being very spiritual in nature, they had constructed their hoax-plan all around these God given signs! They started their own numerology plans from those divine coincidences! That's my only way of understanding these INEXPLICABLE crazy perfect numbers and dates that keep coming up in parallel with regards to Elvis and Michael!
If you ADD to that ^^ their God given talent and the incredible magnetism they had over masses of people, then everything becomes even more CLEAR: they were chosen and gifted by God to fulfill his mission here on Earth!
I know this ^^ may sound so crazy and hallucinative/paranoid for unaware people and for those who don't believe in God. But if anyone of them comes up with a better explanation (other than God's intervention) , I would be happy to listen to it and take it into consideration!!"

Very well said! I agree!! Hince the name I chose for this forum!!
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 01:04:14 PM
Because if you look hard enough you can find key numbers in everything/anything.
Are you entertained?

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 01:28:55 PM
Because if you look hard enough you can find key numbers in everything/anything.

I have to agree with you on this one....



The way I see it, Kobes original Lakers jersey number was 8, not 24 and if you live in California you're most likely a Lakers fan (no disrespect to the Clippers), with Kobe naturally being the most popular player.(#24) I don't think he changed the number to fit someone else's numerology, it's just the number he wears.

So if Paris wears a Lakers jersey backwards is that like a slight to Kobe? or to Murray for wearing it? :suspect:

Sort of like hanging the American flag upside down?  :icon_e_confused:

Or is she just a teenager clowning around?  :ghsdf:


While I don't doubt there is something to numerology
, but eventually you can calculate anything to advantage if you look at it hard enough... IMO, just saying. :icon_e_geek:


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 02:24:44 PM


While I don't doubt there is something to numerology
, but eventually you can calculate anything to advantage if you look at it hard enough... IMO, just saying. :icon_e_geek:

Amen to that ! That's exactly what i was trying to express but my words failed me .
Don't get me wrong , I don't doubt the importance of numerology of the making of the hoax , I know how the presence of numbers is signifcant in everything as I know that each and every number stands for something . But can numerology stand as a strong proof that God has a role in the hoax ?

 
Quote from SimPattyK "And I think that at a certain point in their lives, both Michael and Elvis had become aware of these divine happenings ("coincidences") and being very spiritual in nature, they had constructed their hoax-plan all around these God given signs! They started their own numerology plans from those divine coincidences!


There's no doubt that Elvis and Michael ARE religious , but this doesn't necessarily mean that God Himself is a "part" of the hoax . It's true that God has chosen Michael but it is only because Michael has chosen God as well ! We are all given signs by god in a particular time of our lives , but most of us just choose to ignore the signs , Michael didn't and that's exactly why I think he was chosen . As it has always been said several times in here , there are too many possible explanations to everything concerning the hoax , because nothing is yet proven to be true especially the factuality of numerology and whether the " coincidences" are being   planned by Michael or by God . I think that it was Michael's spirituality that pushed him to take these " divine coincidences" into consideration .

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 03:58:04 PM
One last thing , if Michael is to BAM in December , why did he say " see you in July" ?  :animal0017:
That was about the Memorial in July... He was hinting to that... Also to the fact that he most probably attended his own "memorial" in disguise  :icon_lol:

[...]But when you said that God plays a role in the hoax , what did you really mean ? [...]Obviously ,  Michael's message has and has always had some religious dimensions which can't be denied , but to say that God Himself is a part of the hoax ... well this is beyond me , so can anyone please explain that to me ? [...]
I think GOD is part of everyone's lives! whether you believe in Him or not.
For two men like Elvis and Michael who have such strong faith in God, very spiritual men, it is most natural that they had taken into consideration the signs that God left them.... including all the numerology indicators in their lives.

Quote from: Jowayria
There's no doubt that Elvis and Michael ARE religious , but this doesn't necessarily mean that God Himself is a "part" of the hoax .
I think that it's PRECISELY because of that! :icon_e_wink:

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We are all given signs by god in a particular time of our lives , but most of us just choose to ignore the signs , Michael didn't and that's exactly why I think he was chosen
I think he was chosen and given signs. And because he was God gifted he was able to SEE those signs and also transfer them into his ART through his god given talent! [Michael often said he felt he was an 'instrument of nature"- by "nature" here I understand natural (God) given talent! and the instrument was HIMSELF: his voice, his dance, his musical genius]
 That's why I said he started to plan the numerological clues going from that number 7 for example! he didn't plan to be born the 7th child, did he? it was God! And from then on everything he did , he did starting from already God given paths like that ^^

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I think that it was Michael's spirituality that pushed him to take these " divine coincidences" into consideration .
Well that's exactly what I am saying, too !  :icon_e_wink:

I don't think Elvis & Michael could have succeed in faking their deaths without God's help!
Because for example, look at those dates in the montages I posted above ^^:
- How could have Michael planned his birthday to add up to number 42 [777 777] - that turned out to be so important in Elvis' life/hoax? - August 29th, 1958 ---> 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42 [and this is only ONE example, the rest is on those montages]
- How could all the significant dates in both Elvis and Michael's lives FIT so perfectly into the Hoax-numerology? I mean no matter how good a mathematician your are and no matter how good a hoax-planner you are in terms of Numerology, the PERFECTION of these numbers fitting so well with the plans of the 2 kings is absolutely MIND BLOGGING! I mean God's help in all this is evident, at least to me. I mean the NUMBERS speak volumes!

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But can numerology stand as a strong proof that God has a role in the hoax ?
I say ABSOLUTELY yes!
And then numerology does NOT apply only to the hoax. Think about this world and how God conceived it, think about the Bible and all the numerations of the chapters and verses. Think about how often number 7 occurs in the Bible. Everything evolves around numbers!
"The world is built upon the power of numbers" - Pythagoras

ELVIS: "People who put down God, don't realize there is an order in the universe: the seasons, the movements of the planets, the harmony of words and numbers. We have no order unless it is by design. -He smiled- And no design without a designer."

I mean clearly the hoax is part-PLANNED, based on INTENTIONAL numbers and events are meant to happen at a specific time! Why? maybe because:
1. doing everything by the numbers, namely doing calculated things, one can hardly make mistakes! carefully planned, calculated actions = the way to PERFECTION! I think we all know "someone" very dear to all of us, who has always been a PERFECTION seeker!
2. the belief that doing everything by the numbers, and not just any numbers, but the DIVINE ones, ensures the success of the plan
3. doing everything by the numbers represents the perfect proof that nothing was accidental, that there was a plan with a purpose and not just a capricious game
4. doing everything by the numbers made the perfect connection to Elvis' hoax!
and I could go on and on like this....

*** But I also think these intentional numbers ^^ were NOT just randomly chosen to plan the hoax, but these numbers were intentionally chosen to fit the DIVINE numbers already planned by God.
Why would Michael chose no. 7 and not no. 2 , for example?
Well here is a possible explanation... watch the following 2 videos :

About number 7 ---> Starting with minute 02:00
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0hUldrYp4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcTnVVV0RIE[/youtube]


@Jowayria : from your comments above, I see that you have your mind set and that's ok. You're free to your own opinion. And I thank you for sharing it. But you asked me/us a question about why we think God has a role in the hoax and I did my best to try and answer it for you. God has a role in everything! IMO!
Nevertheless, I very much doubt that I am able to fully explain to you why some of us think/believe/feel that both Elvis and Michael are chosen/sent by God, and therefore their lives, careers and eventually death hoaxes, very much INCLUDED God and God's will!
 I 100% believe that they are both divine missionaries here on Earth. And they are also very AWARE of that! And I don't care if that sounds stupid/hilarious or crazy to anyone. It's just my FIRM belief and I'm not trying to convince anyone of it. But if people ask WHY and say "it's beyond them " to understand that , then I try to explain my belief to them.

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Elvis strongly believed in numerology, the science of numbers. He recognized the unity of the universe, mapped in an interlacing pattern of Light, Form, Space and Dimension. The transformative power of this pattern is to be found in the vibration of numbers - a revelation of the life force within our Earth and our life potential. [...] http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/numbers_stars.htm

For instance, Elvis had sleepless nights thinking and breaking his brains , trying to explain to himself why certain numbers keep showing up in his life at important moments! he would wake up his wife, Priscilla in the middle of the night asking her "WHY? WHY? Why was I chosen? Why did God make me so talented and famous/ Why me? WHY was I the one who survived and not my twin brother!??" His friend and spiritual adviser Uri Geller told that Elvis was SO preoccupied with these existential problems, always seeking answers to this trying to make sense of his life and the purpose that God's wants him to fulfill! several of his close friends said that Elvis had healing powers and his own dentist stated [there's a video on youtube] that Elvis didn't need anesthesia because he could enter into a trance state where he didn't feel the surgery that his dentist performed on him.

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Elvis describes to Wanda Hill the most touching thing that happened to him in 1975:
"I-I-guess, when this little girl who is deaf, totally deaf, wrote to me a note and handed it to me at a concert and said she could hear me sing - my voice - and would I please speak to her. I leaned down - had to lay on the stage to reach her - and I said, ‘I love you, you’re beautiful,’ into her ear. She shook all over and grabbed me. There was such a power surge, I mean, between us - like-like voltages of electricity, and there was like a bright Light around us. Charlie saw it, James and the rest too, and my whole body was jolted. And she looked into my eyes and said, ‘I heard you!’ then she kinda fell and the guards took her to her seat. Later at the hotel, her folks sent a letter up to me sayin’ that she told them what I said. She couldn’t have read my lips, she didn’t see them. And they said in the letter she knew all the words to my records and claimed from childhood to be able to hear me! But she was totally deaf! I have to say that touched me in a unique way, more than anything that’s happened since. But I understand it." - http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/mystical.html
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Joe Esposito, who was a friend and employee of Elvis' through the '60's and '70's, reveals in his book, 'Good Rockin' Tonight', an incident in which it would appear that Elvis' healing touch was nothing short of miraculous. Sylvia, one of The Sweet Inspirations back-up singers had been diagnosed with cancer. Elvis came to her dressing room, put his hands on her stomach and began to pray. The next day, when Sylvia went the hospital further tests concluded that there was no sign of cancer in her body.
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From a news clipping:
"He (Elvis) firmly believed he had the powers of psychic healing by the laying on of hands. He believed he would be reincarnated. He believed he had the strength of will to move clouds in the air, and he was also convinced that there are beings on other planets. He firmly believed he was a prophet who was destined to lead, designated by God for a special role in Life."

Through Elvis’ unconditional love of all peoples, he opened wide the door of his heart to the emotionally troubled and physically afflicted. As a result, those who had been given more than their share of rejection from others, flocked to his performances and often waited for him patiently outside his home. Even today, 20 years after his passing, many wheelchairs can be seen at the annual candlelight service at Graceland. He did not respond to these special ones with pity, nor did he interact with them through condescension. I have seen him enfold people in his arms who were in obvious emotional need; some physically marred, others only broken inside. Many were women who were quite homely. His communion with them was natural, and not self-conscious. He did not reach down to them, but across to them. As in the song he sang, "like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down."[...]

He was reading the Bible and it has been well documented that throughout his life Elvis read over a thousand different books, encompassing a wide range of subjects related to philosophy, spiritual teachings and esoteric arts.
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"My father's library of spiritual books is amazing. I've gone through these books. They're covered with his notes. He wrote on the top of the page, on the bottom of the page, in the margins - everywhere. You can hear him thinking when you read those notes" ~Lisa-Mary Presley
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"Elvis believed that our ‘Light’ (soul) came from the light of God, but that Light (once spiritual) was now confined in the physical body - that same spiritual Light representing the sum total of knowledge. Realizing this and practicing this may explain why Elvis seemed to ‘Glow’, and why so many millions were and are attracted to this special man, how they automatically love him."  - Gail Brewer-Giorgio
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Elvis’ friend Larry Geller: - "From the moment we first met, I knew Elvis had a spiritual quality. I had never seen so much power in one person. The effect he had on people was tremendous. He could silence an entire room full of people just by walking in. It wasn’t just his fame that caused that - it was his aura of power."

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The following passage is from Wanda June Hill:
    “That cold January morning the woman’s first son came into the world lifeless, but as the man wept their loss the mid-wife cried out, ‘There’s another baby to come out here!’ Some minutes later the man went outside, raised his eyes to Heaven and thanked God for giving them one live child. As he turned back to the house, he saw streaming down from the sky a glowing blue light bathing the humble home where lay his wife and new born son. And the man said twenty-five years later, I knew Elvis had to be a special baby, he had the light of Heaven on him from birth. So said Vernon Presley of his famous son’s entrance into the world. That ‘special’ baby grew to be a unique and special man whose talent ranged far from mere entertainer to that of one who was gifted, beloved of millions and one never to be forgotten.
    “I knew Elvis for fifteen years. He had a quality one could only call magical and of a special nature. I believed him when he said, I’m not from here, I came from up there, from the Blue Star. One day you’ll know that’s true.”

Several sources have told about the blue light which shone down upon the humble Tupelo shack the night of Elvis's birth, lighting his father's way to the well. It has further been stated that all the medicine bottles inside the house rattled violently on the shelves, several of them actually shattering. While the outside of the building was bathed in blue, the inner rooms were lit with a violet light. One can only imagine what must have gone through the minds and hearts of those who witnessed this event, keeping it largely a secret for the duration of Elvis's lifetime.

Such phenomena certainly fit the pattern of  'sacred births' throughout the ages. Those who are born to serve the masses in a unique way, beyond the normal role of leadership, have had situations of conception and birth that were far from normal in their circumstances. I do not imply here that Elvis was a 'god', but I do see his birth, life and death as paralleling other human beings who were destined as spiritual leaders in various degrees of brilliance. It would seem that select human souls are chosen in major cycles of planetary development, to enter into roles beyond their personal humanity. These souls are bestowed with a special grace. They are knighted to do battle with the dragons of our corruption, and emerge as symbols of the greatest good which we can and must strive to release from within ourselves. [...]
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[...]Photographer Sean Shaver in his book, ‘Elvis In Focus’ comments on Elvis’ face thusly:

"His skin glowed, and his eyes had a shine to them that I had never seen before or since in any person’s eyes. I was never able to get a photograph of him that did him justice. I have never had anyone who ever saw him in person tell me they thought the real Elvis had been caught on film.....Here was perfection in the male face. Adding to his looks was the fact that he never took himself seriously. He joked about how he looked....He was like something out of a dream....When Elvis entered the room everybody turned to see him, even those facing away from where he made his entrance somehow knew he was there. Without seeing him you knew he was near, you felt his presence. "It was not because he was Elvis the singer but because of some invisible power he had. It went far beyond being charismatic. It was a power. It was magnetic. If others had not made the same comment I could not say it, I would not want to sound like something was wrong with me."[..]


ELVIS: "If even one person can be led to God because of me, it will be worth it."
ELVIS: "[...] There's more to me than that guy up there on the stage: You know, Elvis the image. What my fans and everyone else need to know is that I'm a spiritual person. If they don't know that, they'll never really know who I am, and what makes me tick."
ELVIS: "I like to think of myself as a bridge on which people can travel and leave their troubles behind"


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPjWzR6skbo&feature=related[/youtube]
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 04:30:20 PM
@Sim thank you so much for pulling me out of my ignorance ! that's the most thing I love about Hoaxland ! It shakes your perception of reality ! You mentioned things that i've never heard of before just like the psychic powers that Elvis has .
thank you again for being convincing . I love you   :bearhug:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
@Jowayria: Michael has psychic and healing powers too!! :icon_e_wink:
I am not trying "to be convincing" as you say, because I don't want to convince you or anyone of anything! It's just my belief and I only explained it and I answered to your question as best as I could.
I am glad if my answer helped you.
Love back  :bearhug:


[...] but eventually you can calculate anything to advantage if you look at it hard enough... IMO, just saying. :icon_e_geek:
Would you pls give some concrete examples to those "calculations to advantage"? I don't understand what you mean.
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
Wow Sim baby, are you on a rolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!  I couldn't have said it better myself!


I regularly have these conversations with my currently atheistic 2 sons, one a 5th year mathematician.
Like Front said each one sees different things in the forest.  And remember TS's offer of money to prove the hoax numbers and events could be coincidental. As well:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,9994.0.html

It’s interesting in light of the numbers that Kobe Bryant spoke at MJ’s memorial.  However he possibly is not knowing of the hoax. I also found it interesting to hear that Jackie and Marlon had season tickets to the Lakers; I wonder if MJ did also.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uchkwWAEYXI[/youtube]

In the much bigger picture IMO, it's quite possible that like the numbers found for 911, and the connections of JF Kennedy and Abe Lincoln, that the connections for every person living on this planet have been divinely ordained in beautiful majestic pattern, but we lack the ability to find them.  I know it's said so often,'We are pattern-seeking creatures', but why is that if not 'written in the script' for us. Front also mentioned how the small atom structure is a picture of the larger scale of the solar system and universe structure.  We only catch 'whispers' or glimpses of the 'force', 'intelligence', and creative thoughts behind why history goes the way it goes, and why the human mind thinks the profound thoughts it does.  But again it's whatever turns your crank, atheism or theism--in the grand scheme of history these ponderings have gone back and forth like the ebb and flow of the tide.  But each side brings out discovery of ourselves and our universe.  So, it's all good!
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I'm just believing in Michael,  is all!!! In a sense he's God in the flesh for me, hope I don't offend.  Though I've been raised hard core in Christian culture, for me now, Jesus is too long ago to relate to.  Sorry don't to mean to offend.  I still love the Bible.

My husband said to me last night, MJ absolutely couldn't be the Messiah. I said but how will you recognize if it's the Messiah?  He says because everyone knows the true Jesus is going to appear in the sky, and there's going to be earth-shattering events around the globe. Hmmm...   Well as we all know, it ain't over till it's over.







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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 08:41:27 PM
@TS, I just want to give you your flowers before the stampede. For the blessing you have been, a teacher of the heart, a solid rock in the midst of uncertainty, I am thankful.  Hearing the thunder in the distance, the rain of truth so imminent, these last moments are memories to cherish. May God keep you in the shelter of His wings forevermore.  L.O.V.E. 

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
Wow Sim baby, are you on a rolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!  I couldn't have said it better myself!
I just love your big funny smileys lately!  :thjajaja121: And yeahh I'm a rock'n rollll baby !! :affraid: lmao :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Like Front said each one sees different things in the forest.  And remember TS's offer of money to prove the hoax numbers and events could be coincidental. As well:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,9994.0.html
oh yes TS'reward! great reminder!  :icon_e_wink:

It’s interesting in light of the numbers that Kobe Bryant spoke at MJ’s memorial.  However he possibly is not knowing of the hoax. I also found it interesting to hear that Jackie and Marlon had season tickets to the Lakers; I wonder if MJ did also.
oh right ! I had forgotten about those "coincidences"!  :icon_geek: :icon_lol:  I don't know about MJ, but Prince sure had tickets lol




Front also mentioned how the small atom structure  is a picture of the larger scale of the solar system and universe structure. 
Speaking of that^^
Here's an interesting quote from this site: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl316.htm

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Our God is a precise and orderly God who created an orderly universe. This physical cosmos is governed by mathematical as well as Spiritual laws. Scores of mathematical constants can be proven scientifically and verified biblically. Even the value of pi has been calculated from the Hebrew Bible to an accuracy that measures the circle of the earth to within 25 yards!

All matter in the universe has been assigned a number. Every atom and molecule is defined by its atomic number. The ocean waves and the wave-length of light and sound possess specific numeric values. For instance, the difference between the colors "red" and "blue" is the length of a light-wave and can be expressed as a number. The difference between the note middle C on a piano - F, G, or A - is the frequency or number of vibrations of the note per second.

God's Word declares that even the hairs of our head are numbered! The DNA in your hair can be expressed as a number unique to yourself! Our omniscient God has numbered the dust of the earth, the stars of the sky and measured the universe with a handspan (Genesis 15:5; Isaiah 40:12).

Our ineffable God was pleased to assimilate a system of numerological patterns in the Hebrew and Greek texts of scripture that undeniably demonstrate His Supernatural authorship of the Bible. These number patterns remain constant and intact throughout the whole Bible in spite of the Holy Spirit's use of forty major different authors to write His Word over 35 centuries.

This phenomenon in scripture is called numerology which is simply "the study of numbers" and the meanings assigned thereto. Biblical numerology is absolutely nothing to do with the occult practice of the same name and is sometimes called theomatics. I like to call this line of study Biblical numerics because that's what Brother Branham called it, and to differentiate it from the false system of occult numerology. There are more than sixty references by the Prophet to the meanings of God's numbers.

Hebrews, Chapter Three, p. 90:15: "There's not another piece of literature written anywhere that can do that. And mathematically, and geographically, and every way; there's not a Book in the world wrote like the Bible; there's nothing. The numatics of the Bible is perfectly in harmony; just even chapters, and punctuations, and everything is perfect".
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I'm just believing in Michael,  is all!!! In a sense he's God in the flesh for me, hope I don't offend.  Though I've been raised hard core in Christian culture, for me now, Jesus is too long ago to relate to.  Sorry don't to mean to offend.  I still love the Bible.
You're soo profound and FUNNY at the same time!! lol  :icon_lol:
As for me... IDK I don't see Michael as Jesus, even though the parallels are MANY!!
I don't see Elvis as a prophet even though the signs are MANY!!
BUT I can't DENY the strident evidence that they are sent by GOD here on Earth!! And even when I was completely UNAWARE of any knowledge of this sort, when I was just a kid/adolescent listening to their music, even at that time I was able to sense something so unique , so DIVINE about them! inexplicable , but so REAL!
There are songs (both Elvis & Mj songs) that sometimes I get to listen after a long period of time! And when I re-listen to them and first hear their voice as if it was the first time I heard those song, I feel like something melts inside me! That voice! those inflections! that music.... and this happens over and over! as if I fall in love with their voices, over and over, as if I discover them for the first time... endlessly...forever the first time! Isn't that  SOMETHING!? :icon_eek: :icon_e_wink: That explains why even after DECADES, young generations become fans over and over, and their music is forever GREEN / ALIVE!

My husband said to me last night, MJ absolutely couldn't be the Messiah. I said but how will you recognize if it's the Messiah?
That's true! How/When will we recognize him?
 
He says because everyone knows the true Jesus is going to appear in the sky,
yeah or maybe "they" will make him appear as a hologram!
and there's going to be earth-shattering events around the globe. Hmmm...
hummm... me too! Don't we have those earth-shatterings around the globe already? 
Well as we all know, it ain't over till it's over.
lol Right! :icon_e_biggrin:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Wow SimPattyK and MJonMind !!  Great Posts.  I'm not as good with words but I'm right there with you !  I'm glad you liked the videos I posted yesterday.   :icon_e_wink:    There's mind blowing calculations on the first one.     

Sim, I like the article you posted about Elvis' birth and the blue light.  He also said he was from the blue star.  Remember the photo of Michael with a blue planet/circle on one eye ?  Remember the song "I'm So Blue" on Bad25 ?  Maybe he's trying to say the same thing ?  Are they both connected to/or from the blue star ?  IDK  There's also the blue "soul group".

I certainly don't think anyone here is crazy.  We're just sharing ideas/thoughts.  MJonMind, I see what you mean about Michael being the chosen one/messiah and Sim had posted something about Elvis saying he was a prophet.  They remind me of John the Baptist and Jesus from 2000 years ago.  John was born first and paved the way for Jesus.  John baptised Jesus.  Elvis was born first and paved the way for Michael.   

Also, Elvis said he lived past lives and talked about reincarnation.  Also, It is said in some bible interpretations that John is the prophet Elijah.  Elijah came back as John the baptist ?

So SimPattyK are you ready for another one of my shocking questions ?  So, here goes.

If reincarnation of your soul/spirit is true/real then:

Could MJ or Elvis have been a prophet in a past life ?  and this life also ?
What about,  MJ=Jesus  and    Elijah=John=Elvis   :icon_idea:    :icon_exclaim:

Sorry if I  :affraid:  I don't mean to offend. Just sharing. These ideas cross my mind especially after studying the bible and other things on the sister site.   

Love You All   
 



 
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There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
@Dontwalkaway: you are adorable with your questions!!  :icon_lol: :bearhug:

Your modern biblical version [of John & Jesus vs. Elvis & MJ ] sounds wonderful! and in the context of everything we've been discussing here, not so absurd either! i love that thought! I'd love it if it were true!! lol IDK... Maybe it's too good to be true! lol But not impossible!
I think for now it's safe to say: they're both touched by God's glow! and sent here with a great divine purpose! THAT I can affirm without a doubt as far as my personal belief is concerned!! and with no shame or fear regardless of what other people might think/say!

STILL there are some fragments quoted below that reflect the possibility of Elvis being the reincarnation of some ancient prophet!

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From ‘We Remember, Elvis’ by Wanda Hill: - http://www.elvislightedcandle.org/signsymbwonders/mystical.html

"Elvis always wanted to go to the Holy Land and see where Jesus lived and walked, and he longed for Jesus to return to Earth. From reading and studying the Bible - Daniel, The Book of Revelations, and Matthew, and other parts as well - Elvis developed ideas about the return of Jesus, which he discussed with preachers and people who should know...when all the prophecy is fulfilled, after the famines, floods, earthquakes, wars and rumors of wars; the time would come for Jesus to return and claim His people...all those believing in Him and following His teachings. They will be spared the time of great torment and tribulations to follow.

He also spoke of the Bible’s mention of two prophets returning to Earth and being killed for their influence upon mankind, and for three days all nations would ‘see them lying’ in the streets. Until there were television satellites, he believed this could not have been fulfilled, but now we are able to send pictures around the world in minutes. Someone like Martin Luther King or John Kennedy could be one of those prophets. Because, he said a ‘prophet’ does not necessarily mean a person who speaks of visions or predicts the future, but one who tells of what a thing could be - as Martin Luther King told of his ‘dream’. I am now wondering as I recall all of his words, could Elvis Presley have been one of those prophets? He too, influenced the world and spoke to the masses. Should he have chosen to lead, he very easily could have commanded great forces in whatever capacity he selected, and for three days we saw him ‘lying’ in the streets as we witnessed the masses mourning his death via television.

"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt...."

It is noteworthy that Elvis died, ‘lay in state’, and was buried in Memphis, a city in Tennessee named after an ancient city in Egypt - the city which claimed Ptah as their ‘God of Memphis’. Martin Luther King, also was slain in Memphis, Tennessee. Elvis and JFK share important numerological similarities, and both King and Kennedy were revered by Elvis. Of course, that makes three ‘prophets’ instead of two, but could it be that the number ‘two’ in the Biblical context is a number code and does not necessarily refer to only two individuals? Perhaps there are several people who compose the ‘two witnesses’.


Regarding Elvis' possible HEBREW origins from a past life!

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When Elvis was a little boy he went to a Pentecostal revival where the minister practiced ‘speaking in tongues’, a mysterious ability of some to speak in an unknown language. This was accomplished by several of the Apostles of Christ, and mentioned in the Bible. After the Pentecostal minister finished his speaking in tongues he was suppose to stand and translate what he had just said. This time he did not, and young Elvis stood instead, rendering a meaning of these words to the satisfaction of the assembly.

In the 1950's when Elvis first became popular, he was not accustomed to the intensity of energy focused on him by his following. It would often make his nose bleed. When he came offstage, he some times fainted from sensitivity to the energy blasting he received from an enthusiastic audience. Unconscious, he would begin to speak in an unknown language. Regaining consciousness, he had no memory of the occurrence, and so on one occasion, a friend tape recorded his trance like jargon. Upon listening to the tape, Elvis did not recognize the language, but took the recording to a language expert, who identified it as ‘ancient Hebrew’. This, Elvis told Wanda Hill, was what began his deep study of the Bible

Elvis believed his cosmic heritage was linked with the Sun. Jose Arguelles, in ‘The Mayan Factor’, writes of Ahau Kines, the Mayan name for ‘Priests of the Sun’ and ‘Diviners of Harmony’. [...]


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Sim, I like the article you posted about Elvis' birth and the blue light.  He also said he was from the blue star.  Remember the photo of Michael with a blue planet/circle on one eye ?  Remember the song "I'm So Blue" on Bad25 ?  Maybe he's trying to say the same thing ?  Are they both connected to/or from the blue star ?  IDK  There's also the blue "soul group".
There's definitely SOMETHING about the color BLUE and the BLUE moon, both for Elvis and Michael!
They have both many songs about BLUE and about the MOON and the stars...

Regarding Elvis and his BLUE light/aura... I made more montages here:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 09:58:38 PM
Sim, Sim, Sim......just wow...and MJonmind, you go girl!!!! 

I love that Bible site you posted, Sim.....I clicked on it right away...before reading what you had pulled into the actual quote....
LOL...you quoted the exact thing I was fascinated with:

"......The difference between the note middle C on a piano - F, G, or A - is the frequency or number of vibrations of the note per second...."

I have actually thought of us believers as notes on a piano, lol.  The vibrations of the note runs parallel to the vibrations of L.O.V.E.
I have also envisioned the notes as members here.......chords are put together, and harmonies run together.  Not every note goes together, but that's
ok...it's natural.  But when the notes blend together in perfect pitch, a seamless wonder of thought and theory is produced. 
Yes, there is numeric value to everything in the universe....it is the way and the order of all things.  The randomness of nature's designs are not
without divine accuracy, in my opinion. 
Such a blessing it is to be here, among you all...thank you!
Have a beautiful evening/day!
LOVE

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 10:15:56 PM
@Wishy: to go along with your lyrical/musical vision of our forum here  :icon_lol: it's true we can see ourselves as "an orchestra" led by our King "conductor" towards fulfilling the greatest "Symphony" ever composed!  :icon_lol:


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Oh my ! I'll go to bed now! Our long and fascinating discussions here, have kept me one more time awake until the early hours of the morning! ♫ "Until the break of down" ♫ better said  :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol:

Good night/day to you all! and much LOVE!
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Re: TIAI December 10

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Night Night Sim....I'd sing you a lullaby, but I'd scare the children, lol.......can't sing at ALL.......
on that note.......
that Bible site is even more amazing.....I just got to the part where it talks about Elvis and numbers.......
very cool stuff!  Thanks again.......sweet dreams. 

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 10:29:34 PM
Sim, the study on Bible and numbers you posted is written by a follower of the group that believes this guy William Branham was some kind of special prophet or Christ himself, but he’s long dead and his prophecies failed.  Hmm… I guess we’ll see if our situation will fail as well.  TS mentioned in one Sign, that just because many people predicted the EOW to happen on a certain date and nothing happened, doesn’t mean there won’t one day be a correct prediction.
http://jesus-messiah.com/branham/branham.html

Sarahli posted a phenomenal study on the Quran and the number 19.
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=64.0

Yes, I’ve thought and posted before about the Revelation 11 chapter on the 2 Witnesses being Elvis and MJ, but IDK.
Very crazy about Elvis and ancient Hebrew. Wow, if true!

DWA, the Bible doesn’t support reincarnation. That is most definitely from eastern religions. But Elvis and MJ quote from those sources as well so again IDK.

I guess I'm not totally serious about some stuff I say about God and MJ; I let my emotions get away on me. Sorry, slaps self, must think more logically.

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 13, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
MJonMind.  The eastern religions do emphasize reincarnation.  So maybe we should learn more about the eastern religions ?  Maybe they know more about it than we do ?  Maybe they know something we don't ?  Anyway, I'm not so sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation.  I've read articles that suggests it does, such as those about Elijah and John.   There are a lot more things to study than just the bible.  Maybe it's time we put everything together and unite.  Why all this separation ?

@Sim, thanks for all the articles you posted.  How do you find them so fast ?  Elvis knowing Hebrew in a past life !!!!!   :icon_e_surprised:
 

 
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 14, 2012, 03:14:07 AM
for Sim...

thank you for the montages with numbers, really great!  :icon_razz:
now we can wait for its outcome... :icon_bounce:
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 14, 2012, 08:38:42 AM
MJonMind.  The eastern religions do emphasize reincarnation.  So maybe we should learn more about the eastern religions ?  Maybe they know more about it than we do ?  Maybe they know something we don't ?  Anyway, I'm not so sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation.  I've read articles that suggests it does, such as those about Elijah and John.   There are a lot more things to study than just the bible.  Maybe it's time we put everything together and unite.  Why all this separation ?


My understanding is that references in the bible to reincarnation were deliberately removed by the PTB to help give them more direct control over their lives by fear of the afterlife, though a couple remain as you mention, the reference to Jesus being the reincarnation of Elijah.  Besides, it only makes sense.  The lengths of people's lives and the circumstances so varied, how could God evaluate us and how could we experience and understand life from such a limited perspective? 

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Re: TIAI December 10

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MJonMind.  The eastern religions do emphasize reincarnation.  So maybe we should learn more about the eastern religions ?  Maybe they know more about it than we do ?  Maybe they know something we don't ?  Anyway, I'm not so sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation.  I've read articles that suggests it does, such as those about Elijah and John.   There are a lot more things to study than just the bible.  Maybe it's time we put everything together and unite.  Why all this separation ?

@Sim, thanks for all the articles you posted.  How do you find them so fast ?  Elvis knowing Hebrew in a past life !!!!!   :icon_e_surprised:

Well , the concept of reincarnation is certainly a part of the Muslim's beliefs but in a very confusing way  !
 Muslims do not believe in reincarnation in a sense that you die  then you return to live again  but they believe that there's only one life in this universe and then there  is an eternal life in the Hereafter
Quran itself seems to be clear about it :
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And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself. (2:28)

The Quran describes everyone who doesn't believe in the Hereafter as a deviant
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“The disbelievers pretend that they will never be resurrected (for the Account). Say (O Muhammad): Yes! By my Lord, you will certainly be resurrected, then you will be informed of (and recompensed for) what you did; and that is easy for Allaah”

ps : there's a very nice psychiatric approach to the matter of poeple "remembring" things from their past lives in here : http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177497

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 14, 2012, 06:49:39 PM
@TS, I just want to give you your flowers before the stampede. For the blessing you have been, a teacher of the heart, a solid rock in the midst of uncertainty, I am thankful.  Hearing the thunder in the distance, the rain of truth so imminent, these last moments are memories to cherish. May God keep you in the shelter of His wings forevermore.  L.O.V.E.

All those nice words ONLY in case he is not a fake informer, right? :icon_eek: I agree with you ONLY If he happens to be a true informer  :icon_e_wink:
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 14, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
@TS, I just want to give you your flowers before the stampede. For the blessing you have been, a teacher of the heart, a solid rock in the midst of uncertainty, I am thankful.  Hearing the thunder in the distance, the rain of truth so imminent, these last moments are memories to cherish. May God keep you in the shelter of His wings forevermore.  L.O.V.E.

So touching!

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 15, 2012, 06:15:13 AM
Jawayria
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ps : there's a very nice psychiatric approach to the matter of poeple "remembring" things from their past lives in here : http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177497

Thanks, I thought it was interesting.  I simply haven’t studied reincarnation enough to be convinced either way.   Right now there are approx. 7 billions humans alive on this planet, and presumably way back in the beginning there were only hundreds of humans, so the numbers simply don't match.  Unless you’re talking about the majority of humans today being reincarnated from the animals of the past that are now extinct or fewer in number including insects. :icon_e_confused:  In that case people would be remembering past lives of being for example a mouse, with its hard life looking for food and fear of being caught by a predator.  Edit: IF there is reincarnation I think it would only be from humans to new humans (not from animals).

I have a theory—since the age of the earth has to be somewhat similar to the age of the stars—some galaxies are visible to us now where the light took 100 billion light years to reach us.  There could be a planetary shift every 6000 years or so which takes humanity back to the stone-age with only maybe hundreds who survive, and most of the planet’s surface is destroyed. Perhaps Genesis 1 was one such re-creation of the planet’s surface. Genesis 1:2 apparently means in Hebrew that the earth became formless and void, after verse 1-- "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (billions of years ago). Perhaps the Creator/Intelligent Source of the Universe has created a billion billion inhabitable planets similar to ours. He assigns ‘Sons of God’  or ‘Gods’ to rule over each planet. These ‘Gods’ are allowed to set up the history story-line any creative way they wish.  We are all well aware of how our story-line went—plants and animals (re)created, Adam and Eve ate the apple, so we need a Savior to save us from our sin punishment, etc.  Perhaps the Creator created about 7 billion human souls max (our intelligence and ability is on a completely different level than animals), and he coordinates the population growth rate to come to the full amount when the time cycle comes to an end around every 6000 years.  Maybe that’s why the Great White throne judgement is at the end of this long time period when all the dead are resurrected.  And we are nearing this time period for the grand shake-down.  7 Billion people, 6000 years going into the 7000th millennium.  Mankind has learned to use all the resources he was given on earth and has pretty much subdued it (destroyed it).   We’re pretty much max on fast travel, world-wide communication, technology, knowledge of most everything through the internet.  People are starting to figure out the basis of good and evil on earth, the system of TPTB trying to take over the earth.  So then soon next we'll have the major Revelation scenario take place where the earth surface is decimated by things falling from space, earthquakes, UFO’s, demons/aliens, fires, bombs, etc.   Perhaps there are a few select rescued (raptured) aboard Mother-ships while this is going on, and when earth has recovered, they are put back down, with some new commands from their assigned’God’ to create new religions and new history.  This might have happened already a billion different times.  In that case each of you are a billion or so years old.  I know, just a silly theory, but trying to make sense of things. :)  Okay throw your rotten tomatoes!
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 15, 2012, 05:29:43 PM
MJonMind.  The eastern religions do emphasize reincarnation.  So maybe we should learn more about the eastern religions ?  Maybe they know more about it than we do ?  Maybe they know something we don't ?  Anyway, I'm not so sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation.  I've read articles that suggests it does, such as those about Elijah and John.   There are a lot more things to study than just the bible.  Maybe it's time we put everything together and unite.  Why all this separation ?


My understanding is that references in the bible to reincarnation were deliberately removed by the PTB to help give them more direct control over their lives by fear of the afterlife, though a couple remain as you mention, the reference to Jesus being the reincarnation of Elijah.  Besides, it only makes sense.  The lengths of people's lives and the circumstances so varied, how could God evaluate us and how could we experience and understand life from such a limited perspective?

I also heard about references to reincarnation being removed.  There are other texts also such as the book of Enoch that were not accepted. 

Interesting ideas MJonMind.  I won't throw any tomatoes !  Earth may not be the only planet where humanoid/human beings live.  So maybe that's where some of the souls could have came from ?   I don't know about coming from animals ?  I would think that would be harder because of the differences in DNA between animals and humans.  I was thinking that DNA is evolving and now it's going up to the next step (to three strands).  The higher/more evolved planets already went up to this step (fourth or fifth dimension) and that's why they want to help us now.  We're just like younger brothers/sisters to them. 

So MJonMind, how will you know which mothership to get on if there's a rescue/rapture ?  Which ones are safe ?  What's real, and what's fake ?   Did you hear about the ones coming out of Antartica ?  From underground or inner earth ?  Maybe there the ones working with TPTB ?  Working with Hitler and others from the "Dark Side".  Are those the "reptilians" or whatever ?

Okay, you can throw rotten tomatoes at me  too if you want !!   :)


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There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers"

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 15, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
“@ParisJackson: i've seen your frown 
and it's like looking down 
the barrel of a gun 
and it goes off”

Surely that's a clue for BAM!!! :affraid:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 16, 2012, 05:08:28 AM
DWA, if you chose a reptilian ship that would be bad news for sure... :errrr:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 16, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
DWA, if you chose a reptilian ship that would be bad news for sure... :errrr:

Yes that would be bad news for sure.  You're so funny MJonMind. :icon_lol:  I don't want any of us to chose the wrong ship.   This is why he have to know good from evil,fake from real and we have to bring love back into the world.

 :-*


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There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers"

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 12:05:48 AM
DWA, awh, you're a sweetie-pie, and a very good brain-stormer!!  You don't rule anything out!!  You cover all the bases!!
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 03:19:06 AM
love ur new signature MJonmind x


sidepoint...

"unbutton my shirt, play with them"

I sometimes wonder if that refers to US / here not the general public / hoax.

I used to think it meant "play with the world, pretend I'm dead, then Bam"

But more recently think the play with them reference is re: the goings on and shananigans of the forum.
People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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The end of evil is nigh
Trust in God
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 04:54:36 AM
Well, the TII movie was dedicated "to the fans", so I would think more than just hoaxers, and right after he says Bam, the little girl comes holding the planet, so...
Edit: Just found this somewhere:
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“I love my fans.. I mean I really love them and if I could meet every one of them I would. I watch television and see shows that follow other celebrities and how they get so mad about fans wanting to say hi or get an autograph.. They made me.. So if I can give them two minutes of my time and a friendly hello it’s well worth it. I’ve lived my life by the fans and I’ll die by the fans.”
~Michael Jackson
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 04:04:34 PM
@TS, I just want to give you your flowers before the stampede. For the blessing you have been, a teacher of the heart, a solid rock in the midst of uncertainty, I am thankful.  Hearing the thunder in the distance, the rain of truth so imminent, these last moments are memories to cherish. May God keep you in the shelter of His wings forevermore.  L.O.V.E.
I wonder if TS has seen this post?! Very nice of you Angel!  I agree with it also! Sending Love to TS and Hoax family!  :-*

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Well, the TII movie was dedicated "to the fans", so I would think more than just hoaxers, and right after he says Bam, the little girl comes holding the planet, so...
Edit: Just found this somewhere:
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“I love my fans.. I mean I really love them and if I could meet every one of them I would. I watch television and see shows that follow other celebrities and how they get so mad about fans wanting to say hi or get an autograph.. They made me.. So if I can give them two minutes of my time and a friendly hello it’s well worth it. I’ve lived my life by the fans and I’ll die by the fans.”
~Michael Jackson
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Thanks for posting that MJonMind.  MJ has done and is still doing sooooo much for us.  So Michael,Front,TS and everyone thank you so so so much.  I don't even have the words to express it.

Love You So Much     :-*
« Last Edit: December 17, 2012, 06:52:04 PM by Dontwalkaway »
"And when that flag blows
There'll be no more wars
And when all calls
I will answer all your prayers"

Chorus from the song "Cry",  Invincible Album

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 17, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
Thanks MJonmind.....  these words make me smile...this great adventure is  a unique and fantastic experience !!!  :icon_razz:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 23, 2012, 04:43:19 PM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL


Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:


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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 23, 2012, 04:59:33 PM
 ;D Well, he would be welcome anytime! But I don't think that would ever happen  :LolLolLolLol:
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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 23, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL


Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:


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Not me :LolLolLolLol:

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 23, 2012, 10:20:15 PM
I wrote on in August 2009 but it was returned to sender. Stamped "no mail receptacle".
Are you entertained?

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 24, 2012, 02:57:14 AM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL

Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:

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Not me :LolLolLolLol:
Me neither... :icon_e_sad:  I think he'd have to have Santa magic to do all 100 million in one night! :icon_e_wink:
But I agree it's a sweet thought!

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 24, 2012, 03:43:25 AM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL

Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:

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Not me :LolLolLolLol:
Me neither... :icon_e_sad:  I think he'd have to have Santa magic to do all 100 million in one night! :icon_e_wink:
But I agree it's a sweet thought!
I have not wrote, too. Although I wrote one letter one day, but did not send it..
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 24, 2012, 06:04:52 AM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL

Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:

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Not me :LolLolLolLol:
Me neither... :icon_e_sad:  I think he'd have to have Santa magic to do all 100 million in one night! :icon_e_wink:
But I agree it's a sweet thought!
I have not wrote, too. Although I wrote one letter one day, but did not send it..

the same here , I've devoloped this weird habit of writing letters to Michael but never gathering my guts to actually send them to him .. It's just absurd  .
@Susie  , I like your name , and your vision isn't stupid .. I wish it could happen !

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 24, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I wrote a tribute song to him hahaha. I was hoping I'd meet him in person and give it to him, but I don't know now.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 05:11:40 PM by MJonmind »

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 24, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
I wrote a tribute song to him hahaha. I was hoping I'd meet him in person and give it to him, but I don't know now.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22164.0/topicseen.html

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Re: TIAI December 10

  • on: December 25, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Wow! I came up with a certain vision right now!  :icon_e_surprised:
Imagine a situation like this:
Officially Michael is "dead" to the world, but he is living undercover, of course, and he uses his free time to secretly visit each and every of his fans. He has a list of addresses (I am sure all of you wrote a letter to Neverland just once in your lifetime) and he walks from house to house, in his disguise of course,to visit them. So that means, bam will be when he will talk to all of us in person! LOL

Well, this is just a stupid vision of mine, but wouldn't it just be awesome???   :icon_geek:

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Not me :LolLolLolLol:
Me neither... :icon_e_sad:  I think he'd have to have Santa magic to do all 100 million in one night! :icon_e_wink:
But I agree it's a sweet thought!
I have not wrote, too. Although I wrote one letter one day, but did not send it..

the same here , I've devoloped this weird habit of writing letters to Michael but never gathering my guts to actually send them to him .. It's just absurd  .
@Susie  , I like your name , and your vision isn't stupid .. I wish it could happen !

Add me to the list! I never wrote a letter to Neverland in my whole life. I don't even know the address of Neverland. But somehow I think that celebrities never read fan letters because they get so many letters from all over the world each and every day! They have people hired to read the letters and write back  if necessary.
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