Michael’s Burial Was Delayed Because Janet Wanted Her Burial-Plot Deposit Back

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Warning: contains some not so nice statements  :icon_e_wink:

Was just wondering why this popped up in the news NOW after more than 3 years...well probably because someone has been writing a book  :icon_e_wink:
Contains already known info as well.

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Michael Jackson’s Burial Was Delayed Because Janet Wanted Her Burial-Plot Deposit Back

by Vanity Fair 5:24 AM, OCTOBER 4 2012

Michael Jackson’s burial was delayed for nearly three months due to wrangling between Janet Jackson and her brother’s estate, a detail revealed in a November Vanity Fair–exclusive excerpt of Untouchable, Randall Sullivan’s Michael Jackson biography, which will be published next month. According to Sullivan, Janet put up the $40,000 deposit at Forest Lawn to secure a spot for Michael but refused to let the funeral take place until the money was repaid.

Ronald Williams, of Talon Executive Services—a private-security company that dispatched a team to Michael Jackson’s rented château in Holmby Hills on the night of his death—tells Sullivan that hours after Jackson died, La Toya and her boyfriend, Jeffre Phillips, arrived at the house demanding to be admitted. “We’re family and we should have access to the house,” they reportedly said.

Sullivan reports that mother Katherine Jackson also arrived that night and entered the house, where she telephoned Grace Rwaramba, the recently terminated longtime nanny to Michael’s children. According to Rwaramba, Katherine said, “Grace, the children are crying. They are asking about you. They can’t believe that their father died. Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house? I’m here. Where can it be?” Rwaramba described Michael’s standard practice of hiding his cash in black plastic garbage bags and under the carpets. Talon describes seeing La Toya and her boyfriend loading black plastic garbage bags into duffel bags and placing them in the garage. (La Toya insists that nearly all of Michael’s money was gone by the time she arrived at the Holmby Hills house.)

The next morning, Janet Jackson arrived with a moving van and demanded to be admitted. A few hours later, the truck exited through the front gate with Jeffre Phillips at the wheel. Katherine Jackson and her daughters made it clear that they wouldn’t be leaving anytime soon. “They camped out for most of a week,” Williams tells Sullivan, leaving and returning “whenever they felt like it.”

Katherine Jackson’s representatives shared details of her recent “abduction” with Sullivan, who describes what happened from her perspective for the first time. One of Katherine Jackson’s representatives tells Sullivan that it was Janet Jackson who on July 14, 2012, arranged for Dr. Allen Metzger to go to the Calabasas mansion, where her mother had been living with Michael’s three children. Metzger was introduced as an associate of Mrs. Jackson’s longtime Beverly Hills physician and told that her doctor wanted her to have a physical before she went to Albuquerque for her sons’ Unity Tour. After a brief examination, Metzger told Katherine Jackson that her blood pressure was elevated and that it would be best for her not to make the trip to New Mexico by car as she had planned. Katherine left the next morning with her daughter Rebbie and her granddaughter Stacee Brown and Mrs. Jackson’s personal assistant. It wasn’t until they arrived at the airport that Katherine realized they weren’t headed to Albuquerque but rather to Tucson, where she was booked at the Miraval Resort & Spa. Janet Jackson was there when she arrived.

The representative tells Sullivan that Dr. Metzger had no association with Mrs. Jackson’s physician and that she had not sent him to see Mrs. Jackson. Dr. Metzger was, in fact, the same doctor who had been called as a defense witness at the trial of Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of providing the drugs that killed Michael Jackson. He had also been reprimanded by the state medical board for writing prescriptions for Janet Jackson under false or fictitious names.

Katherine’s grandson T. J. Jackson, and others who were looking after Michael’s children at his Calabasas home, soon deduced that the five Jackson siblings—who that same week had sent a letter to Michael’s executors asking them to resign and claiming that their mother had suffered a mini-stroke—now reportedly with Katherine in their custody were, in the view of Mrs. Jackson’s representatives, attempting to gain a conservatorship over her, possibly by demonstrating her incompetence to serve as guardian of Michael’s children. They hoped to gain control of their brother’s fortune, which would follow Prince, Paris, and Blanket wherever they went.

Sullivan explores the question of how John Branca, a lawyer who was fired by Michael Jackson in 2003—and is now earning tens of millions of dollars as an executor of the Michael Jackson estate—managed to retain possession of a will he should have handed over with all of Jackson’s papers to a new attorney, David LeGrand. “I had access to every file and I had to go through them,” LeGrand tells Sullivan. “And I did. There was no will. There was no trust. It just showed up after he died.” (Branca, though his attorney, declined to comment.)

John Branca, has said that the will he presented to the Jacksons in July 2009 was greeted by the family with applause, but Katherine Jackson remembers the meeting differently. “According to her, the atmosphere went from quiet to glum,” Sullivan reports. “She personally was offended that John Branca never once said how sorry he was for her loss. The man was cold, Mrs. Jackson thought, just as Michael had described him: ‘My son had told me and the kids that he never wanted Branca to be any part of his business ever again.’”

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2012/10/michael-jackson-burial-delayed-janet-jackson-deposit
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Oh my God! What's this? This is sooo bad!
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ok i can't say that this can't be true and i can't say that it is, but there is one thing i have noticed that lately janet seems to be under the tabloid attack. just in recent weeks i have seen covers with stories like her being an addict ( with pic holding pill bottles) and her secret life as a Muslim ( with pic with covering on her head), so i just want to put that out there as something to keep in mind.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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All this money talk makes me sick...I don't want to believe any of these above.

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Burial-plot deposit?

Is that a common thing?

Does anyone know?

And: wouldn´t a deposit be paid back by a contracting party (Forest Lawn in this case) anyway after the "business transaction" has been determined?

Because that would have been a contract between Janet and Forest Lawn and not the Estate and Forest Lawn. Right?



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Burial-plot deposit?

Is that a common thing?

Does anyone know?

And: wouldn´t a deposit be paid back by a contracting party (Forest Lawn in this case) anyway after the "business transaction" has been determined?

Because that would have been a contract between Janet and Forest Lawn and not the Estate and Forest Lawn. Right?

i think the deposit requirement may be true. seems i have heard mention ( just for a average person $1000.00) . i guess what they are suggesting is that she put it down and was promised it back by someone , perhaps before they found out about the executor situation.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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For Janet to be wrestling with the Estate for REIMBURSEMENT for monies she paid to Forest Lawn would be NO REASON for the burial to be delayed.  Forest Lawn had been paid for their services.  Her ordeal woul not be with them but with the Estate.  So this story as Front so eloquently put it is 'BALONEY".   :judge-smiley:  in every story of late about Janet, it is made to appear that she is geedy and unreasonable.  No time before this has Janet been so alligned in the media.  Maybe its 'GREED BY THOSE WHO DON'T NEED IT" that they are trying to emphasize with these stories.  And Janet is the vessel they are using to bring it home.
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This article gives me the feeling that some very powerful people are annoyed with her fighting the Estate, and maybe even her sister LaToya and brothers speaking out. They been telling there's a conspiracy behind MJ's death from the start ( some of them) and that pissed a lot of people off, i'm sure. And now, recently, taking action against the people running the Estate. Another reason to piss those people off even more.
And we know from MJ's life and others like him that when you try to "them", whoever they are, you WILL pay the price. Michael did and now it seems it's Janet's turn. From all the brothers and sisters of Michael, she is the most famous and with an impact to the public, so ...go after her, her credibility, make her look bad and you destroy not only her credibility but that of anyone who stands by her.
So, personally, I'm keeping a very open mind about all of this. They do that with too many people, for me to believe it just because it's in print ;)
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A deposit required is pretty common for planning and selection of services to begin.  Most businesses won't do anything unless you've made an initial investment.  After the deposit was placed though I don't see how she could control or delay the services unless other fees became due/necessary and weren't paid.  If that was the case it would technically be FL refusing to proceed and not Janet personally delaying.  Most wills direct (as did this one I think) that all expenses for final arrangements be paid from the Estate so FL's hand should have been reaching in that direction (as would Janet's for her reimbursement of her deposit money).  Seems like someone is throwing a few extra slices of Oscar Meyer into this "fact sandwich"...lol. 
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  This sounds bad,hope nothing of it is true.  ::)

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Poor Janet does seem to be coping it in the media lately. But I must say that this article reeks of bull doo-doo to me.
So Janet's wrangling with the Estate lasted just long enough for the numerology of the hoax to be perfect. What a coincidence.
I had to go back and look at TS post about the timing of the hoax and what do we have...77 and 7 days from death and burial to the resurrection, which according to TIAI was on the 9/9/09.
Here's the link to TIAI and the 7 steps in the timing of the hoax....http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,7010.0.html

I think this story's real purpose is to direct attention to Branca, and the will.
 

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Ronald Williams, of Talon Executive Services—a private-security company that dispatched a team to Michael Jackson’s rented château in Holmby Hills on the night of his death—tells Sullivan that hours after Jackson died, La Toya and her boyfriend, Jeffre Phillips, arrived at the house demanding to be admitted. “We’re family and we should have access to the house,” they reportedly said.

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Sullivan reports that mother Katherine Jackson also arrived that night and entered the house, where she telephoned Grace Rwaramba, the recently terminated longtime nanny to Michael’s children. According to Rwaramba, Katherine said, “Grace, the children are crying. They are asking about you. They can’t believe that their father died. Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house? I’m here. Where can it be?” Rwaramba described Michael’s standard practice of hiding his cash in black plastic garbage bags and under the carpets. Talon describes seeing La Toya and her boyfriend loading black plastic garbage bags into duffel bags and placing them in the garage. (La Toya insists that nearly all of Michael’s money was gone by the time she arrived at the Holmby Hills house.)


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The next morning, Janet Jackson arrived with a moving van and demanded to be admitted. A few hours later, the truck exited through the front gate with Jeffre Phillips at the wheel. Katherine Jackson and her daughters made it clear that they wouldn’t be leaving anytime soon. “They camped out for most of a week,” Williams tells Sullivan, leaving and returning “whenever they felt like it.”

It is known that no one can access the crime scene "access denied" lol so how come there were so many movement of people hours after Michael's "death"? How come the house was not sealed? Sorry but this has no sense to me.

ps: I do think too that this article is hinting Branca to be the bad guy of the story.
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I thought the loop-hole to allowing the family access to the Carolwood residence was because at first it was considered a natural death scene and not foul play. So it wasn't until police decided that Conrad's alleged actions were questionable and it became a potential  crime scene well after the site had been tampered with. This whole scenario makes the keystone cops look competent in comparison. Just another aspect of this whole 'death' that makes me wonder how the general public can swallow this as factual. 

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Talon describes seeing La Toya and her boyfriend loading black plastic garbage bags into duffel bags and placing them in the garage.

It's all trash.
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Well ill start off by saying this is most certainly non sense!!! We have to realize EVERYTHING that comes out in the media is for a reason
clues, secret messages etc..... In this one for me these words are what I think are important

"John Branca, has said that the will he presented to the Jacksons in July 2009 was greeted by the family with applause, but Katherine Jackson remembers the meeting differently. “According to her, the atmosphere went from quiet to glum,” Sullivan reports. “She personally was offended that John Branca never once said how sorry he was for her loss. The man was cold, Mrs. Jackson thought, just as Michael had described him: ‘My son had told me and the kids that he never wanted Branca to be any part of his business ever again.’”

The man was COLD, Mrs. Jackson thought,JUST AS MICHAEL DESCRIBED HIM: ‘My son had told me and the kids that he never wanted Branca to be any part of his business ever again.’”

My son had told me and the kids that he NEVER WANTED BRANCA to be any part of his business ever again.’”

The will is the key!!! Somehow we have to get those dudes to step down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@Gina....... Your right I dont care who you are for a crime scene it should be locked down for the investigation purpose so that in itself
shows that its not legit!!!

Om just glad we get more to look through and decipher. Makes this game for fun!! Hopefully we will start seeing how its all coming together and for what reasons SOON!!!!

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Talon describes seeing La Toya and her boyfriend loading black plastic garbage bags into duffel bags and placing them in the garage.

It's all trash.

Yes, plus I don't see Michael hiding his cash money that way being a so wealthy man and being able to hide his cash in underground safes.
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was it considered a crime scene before miss lee's bringing the propofol into the equation at all?  that bottle murray is trying to get tested to see if they put in the other stuff(sorry don't know the name) , was it ever actually tested at all? 
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Before Ms. Lee relinquished this story to the world, I had never even heard the term propofol  :icon_e_geek:  I believe her part was to initially introduce the hoax to the world.  Mr. Jackson was hot on one side and cold on the other...  Of course he was.  Figuratively speaking opposites attract and one usually cancels out the other, so in other words, perhaps the message is he was just fine
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I found this article about Randall Sullivan and his book:

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/10/04/new-michael-jackson-book-looks-like-clip-job-read-original-stories-here

New Michael Jackson Book Looks Like Clip Job: Read Original Stories Here
10/04/12 11:18amRoger Friedman

The new Michael Jackson book excerpted in Vanity Fair looks like a clip job. As well, author Randall Sullivan seems to have depended on the most questionable of the Jackson so called “insiders” as his sources. They include Brian Oxman, who was never Michael’s lawyer, was fired by Tom Mesereau during the 2005 criminal case, and is now disbarred finally after many sanctions by the California Bar Association; Howard Mann, a Toronto online gaming entrepreneur who recently lost a major case to the Jackson estate; and Tohme Tohme, Michael’s short-lived manager currently being sued by the estate.
No one I’ve talked to associated with the Jackson estate, or the real “inner circle” has spoken to Sullivan. His book is being published by Grove Press, which sold the rights to Vanity Fair. The magazine can’t know that Sullivan’s sources are highly suspect, or that much of the material they’ve got from him comes other sources including this column. Sullivan never covered Jackson during his life, wasn’t around during his trial or its aftermath, but now pitches himself as an expert.
Sullivan also seems to be, at least in the Vanity Fair excerpt, on the side of the Will-doubters. This is the group that thinks Michael Jackson’s Will was forged or invented. I liken them to the Obama birthers.
Sullivan cites this column toward the end of his excerpt in the new Vanity Fair, but really–most of the stuff in this story comes from other places. It’s a clip job. I suspect his book will be much the same. Look for the fingerprints of other disgruntled ex-Jacksonians.

Anyway, here are some links to stories I wrote where Sullivan may have found inspiration:

http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/06/26/20090626michael-jacksons-last-will-was-completed-in-2002
http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/06/28/20090628jackson-family-where-theres-a-will-theres-a-way
http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/06/27/20090627michael-jackson-burial-neverland-ranch\
http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/06/29/20090629michael-jackson-katherine-mom-custody-john-branca-legal-mistake
http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/06/26/20090626jacko-michael-jackson-will-beatles-sony-atv-lennon-mccartney-debt-400-million-neverland-mijac-aeg-tohm
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Oh yes and here we go. Response from the Estate:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jhftqj

Amended - From the Estate Of Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson’s Wembley Concert is the No. 1 selling DVD in the world. Spike Lee’s Bad 25 documentary is drawing rave reviews from film critics and will air on ABC Thanksgiving night. Entertainment Weekly gave Bad 25 album an “A” calling it “a potent reminder of just how much Bad's pulsing pop holds up.” Cirque du Soleil’s “Michael Jackson the Immortal World Tour” was Pollstar’s top selling North American concert tour in the first six months of 2012, debuts this month in Europe and recently received Billboard’s Creative Content Award. And "This Is It" is the most successful concert film…EVER.

The world loves Michael Jackson. Rest assured that every action the Estate takes will continue to endeavor that fans experience exciting new projects that further build upon and enhance his incredible legacy as an artist and humanitarian, while securing the financial future of those he specifically named as his beneficiaries.

Sadly the full potential of Michael’s legacy continues to be hindered by a small handful of people who recklessly spread false rumors and obsess over stale, internet-fueled conspiracy theories much as they did when Michael was alive. These rumors have long since been debunked and have no legal or factual foundation.

This week, some of these baseless theories appeared yet again in an article in Vanity Fair in the form of an excerpt from a book written by Randall Sullivan that will rehash these tired theories. While we do not want or need to respond to all of the nonsense, we do want to remind everyone of at least a few truths.

The suggestion that John Branca or Howard Weitzman have a conflict of interest when it comes to AEG, and for that reason did not join Katherine Jackson in suing AEG, is not only false but reckless and noticeably unsupported by any facts. The Estate chose not to join in the lawsuit because it saw no evidence that AEG was culpable in Michael's tragic passing. Eventually, should the case proceed to trial any decision on AEG’s liability will be decided by a jury. That said, the Executors are troubled by the unfortunate and distasteful information being brought out in those proceedings which could sully and damage Michael's reputation and our memory of him.

Another outrageously false claim is that Michael’s burial was delayed by any action of the Estate.

As for the Will filed in the Probate Court, let's be clear: IT IS LEGALLY VALID, and the court properly appointed John Branca and John McClain as co-Executors. Those who wished to contest Michael’s wishes had every opportunity to challenge his Will. It should be noted that the 2002 will is consistent with Michael’s wishes as expressed in three prior wills.

Sitting in the cheap seats and perpetuating tired cloak and dagger theories as Mr. Sullivan has done is not journalism, it's gossip mongering for profit. Look no further than some of the sources Sullivan relied upon for much of the incorrect information he chose to include in this book.

Our commitment is and always has been to Michael’s legacy, his beneficiaries, his fans and to the spirit of an extraordinary artist and humanitarian who continues to touch the world.
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Ronald Williams, of Talon Executive Services—a private-security company that dispatched a team to Michael Jackson’s rented château in Holmby Hills on the night of his death—tells Sullivan that hours after Jackson died, La Toya and her boyfriend, Jeffre Phillips, arrived at the house demanding to be admitted. “We’re family and we should have access to the house,” they reportedly said.

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Sullivan reports that mother Katherine Jackson also arrived that night and entered the house, where she telephoned Grace Rwaramba, the recently terminated longtime nanny to Michael’s children. According to Rwaramba, Katherine said, “Grace, the children are crying. They are asking about you. They can’t believe that their father died. Grace, you remember Michael used to hide cash at the house? I’m here. Where can it be?” Rwaramba described Michael’s standard practice of hiding his cash in black plastic garbage bags and under the carpets. Talon describes seeing La Toya and her boyfriend loading black plastic garbage bags into duffel bags and placing them in the garage. (La Toya insists that nearly all of Michael’s money was gone by the time she arrived at the Holmby Hills house.)


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The next morning, Janet Jackson arrived with a moving van and demanded to be admitted. A few hours later, the truck exited through the front gate with Jeffre Phillips at the wheel. Katherine Jackson and her daughters made it clear that they wouldn’t be leaving anytime soon. “They camped out for most of a week,” Williams tells Sullivan, leaving and returning “whenever they felt like it.”

It is known that no one can access the crime scene "access denied" lol so how come there were so many movement of people hours after Michael's "death"? How come the house was not sealed? Sorry but this has no sense to me.

ps: I do think too that this article is hinting Branca to be the bad guy of the story.


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Sadly the full potential of Michael’s legacy continues to be hindered by a small handful of people who recklessly spread false rumors and obsess over stale, internet-fueled conspiracy theories much as they did when Michael was alive





Who is referred by this? :-[ :suspect:

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Sadly the full potential of Michael’s legacy continues to be hindered by a small handful of people who recklessly spread false rumors and obsess over stale, internet-fueled conspiracy theories much as they did when Michael was alive

Who is referred by this? :-[ :suspect:

I believe they are not referring to hoaxers but rather to those who claim that the Estate are the bad guys and to those who support the "MJ was in bad shape and AEG killed him by forcing him to do the concerts" theory (or any other murder theory for that matter).
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"John Branca, has said that the will he presented to the Jacksons in July 2009 was greeted by the family with applause, but Katherine Jackson remembers the meeting differently. “According to her, the atmosphere went from quiet to glum,” Sullivan reports. “She personally was offended that John Branca never once said how sorry he was for her loss. The man was cold, Mrs. Jackson thought, just as Michael had described him: ‘My son had told me and the kids that he never wanted Branca to be any part of his business ever again.’”

if Katherine was not among those who appplause will and was offended by john, and remembers that MJ did not want Brance have relation to his busines, why she is not among/with her children who is trying to contest will?
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Maryk Thanks, I think this is more of the same, I mean there are people who still squeezing the name of MJ, and apparently, Sullivan, not even he met MJ. I agree with RK in the home was closed after the case became possible homicide.

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Janet is being attacked by media and is being portrayed very negatively by false stories.

I seem to think that it is deliberate. Drawing a parallel perhaps.

It wouldn't be the first time in the hoax that parallels to MJ have been deliberately made.

I think that when it all comes out in the wash post Bam (the entire hoax I mean) things such as Janet, Estate, family members and other false media stories will be unveiled.

For now I think, its collateral damage. But it will clear up.


So YES upon reading this, it is not good and "is soooo bad" to quote Diggy. Lucky for us though, we have the bigger picture.
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Is it just me or do you sense a note of desperation in the Estate’s attitude?  They could have just ignored the criticisms, but they seem on the defensive which makes me suspicious. They do a lot of mudslinging without much factual substance actually giving solid reasons why.

I thought it was only Tom Sneddon that was a “cold man”.  I hide extra cash in an envelope under the carpet.  And wouldn’t EVERY high profile wealthy person’s young death be considered suspicious automatically before ruling it a natural death?

Taking this as an ARG however, the controversy of good or bad will, and offering of 2 sides people can choose to be on, encourages involvement and keeps up excitement and MJ’s name in the news.

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In real life, I'd consider the estate's "behaviour" as an "expression of individual state of mind" and as such probably consider a label of "highly unprofessional lawyer".

In ARG world it is a reply of the kind "equal amongst equal" or "they respond on the same level they are adressed" which means interaction of partners.

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This "unprofessional real life behaviour" of so many performers in this play proves the ARG component more than anything else.
Who did not wake up by evidence (or lack of) should at last consider opening his/her eyes now.
If I, John Doe, am obviously made a (same level) conversational partner of a highly paid lawyer and don't notice this, then I am obviously blind as a mole.
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As for the Will filed in the Probate Court, let's be clear: IT IS LEGALLY VALID, and the court properly appointed John Branca and John McClain as co-Executors. Those who wished to contest Michael’s wishes had every opportunity to challenge his Will. It should be noted that the 2002 will is consistent with Michael’s wishes as expressed in three prior wills.

Just because it is consistent with two previous will, doesn't mean its real..Anyone could present a fake will to court and say its the deceased last wishes.... This is not what the family are contesting...Its not about the content of the will, its' about it chosen executors and also has been the issue....They have not addressed that fact at all.......

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Hm...to put this VF article in perspective....

Please read what Maureen Orth had to say in Vanity Fair back in June 2009, one day after Michael´s "death".

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain

No surprise that VF endorse filthy journalism again now.

They allowed and supported bs back then, they are obvioulsy doing it again.

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@Mjonmind, those are my feels exactly.  No one can convince me to trust the Executors, i.e. John Branca.  To each his own, but for me, Branca is on my reptilian list until further evidence proves him otherwise.  :computer-losy-smiley:
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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And here we go with Janet's lawyers letter in response to the vanity fair article....
http://www.janetjackson.com/story/news/letter-from-blair-brown-to-graydon-carter-of-vanity-fair


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And on, the wheel keeps turnin' by Federal Express

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legal documents typically don't use emotive language. they always use clinical terms.

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All this hoo-ha has done IMO, is draw attention again, for those who still haven't noticed, to the nonsensical length of time between MJ's 'death' and 'burial'.

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All this hoo-ha has done IMO, is draw attention again, for those who still haven't noticed, to the nonsensical length of time between MJ's 'death' and 'burial'.

agree  :icon_e_wink:
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Ms. Jackson's strong desire to serve her brother

Indeed.
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FYI :icon_e_wink:

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Janet Jackson denies delaying Michael Jackson's burial

Singer's lawyers ask story alleging her late brother's funeral was delayed over a financial dispute be retracted

Janet Jackson has denied recent allegations that she delayed Michael Jackson's funeral over a financial dispute.
 
The singer's lawyers have sent a letter to Vanity Fair, who published a story alleging she delayed her brother's funeral in 2009 over money owed relating to the burial plot deposit, asking for an apology and for the article to be retracted.
 
The magazine published extracts from Randall Sullivan's book Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson in its November issue and a subsequent article, based on information from the book, appeared on its site on Thursday (October 4).
 
The letter, written by Janet's lawyer Graydon Cater, has now been published on the singer's website, it reads: "To falsely accuse Ms Jackson of holding up her brother's funeral over money is outrageous. Ms Jackson never delayed the funeral in any way.
 
"In fact, she paid for the funeral and was reimbursed for some of those expenses by Michael Jackson's estate in the year after the services took place. In addition, there were other private costs associated with Michael Jackson's passing that Ms Jackson incurred and for which she never sought reimbursement."
 
Earlier this year, Janet Jackson questioned the legitimacy of Michael Jackson's will and decried a "media campaign" against her family.
 
 
http://www.nme.com/news/janet-jackson/66503

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There is a little discussion here on the Estate response, which is now locked.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23399.msg425810.html#msg425810

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I have to agree with you and Aussie curls!!! I mean people are still just blinded by ignorance in this country
and it goes to show you they will believe ANYTHING the media puts out. I mean I MY DAMNSELF could call up
one of these places and say ohhh this and that this and that and they wouldnt even try to verify the shit!!!
As dumb as that is that they do that its even dumber fo the people who believe the GARBAGE!!!!

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This is still being dragged out in the tabloids....latest is the delay was because they couldn't decide on a burial place. [guess they never did settle that one as MJ isn't buried anywhere]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/janet-jackson-did-not-delay-michael-funeral

Janet Jackson Did Not Delay Michael's Funeral, The Family Couldn't Agree On Burial Place


y Jen Heger - Radar Assistant Managing Editor

Janet Jackson was accused of delaying her brother Michael's funeral three years ago because she wanted a hefty deposit of $40k returned, but RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that the actual reason the King of Pop's burial took place several months after he died was because the family couldn't agree on where he should be laid to rest.

"Janet absolutely didn't delay Michael's funeral, that just never happened," a family insider tells RadarOnline.com exclusively. "The main reason for the delay was because the family just couldn't agree on where Michael should be buried. Jermaine and Randy wanted him buried at Neverland but Katherine was absolutely steadfast against that.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Through The Years

"Throw in the fact that Michael's kids had their own ideas and were grieving and there was obviously a lot going on. Janet was just trying to do the right thing at the time and she was very supportive of Michael's kids and her mother during that very dark time. For anyone else to say otherwise is just categorically false. Yes, tensions have developed since then between Janet and her mom over the handling of Michael's estate, but that doesn't change what happened in the weeks after Michael died."

As previously reported, according to Vanity Fair, which obtained an excerpt of a new biography on Jackson by Randall Sullivan: "Janet put up the $40,000 deposit at Forest Lawn to secure a spot for Michael but refused to let the funeral take place until the money was repaid."

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson’s Kids: Three Years After His Death

Janet's attorney, Blair Brown fired off a letter to Vanity Fair's editor, Graydon Carter, demanding a retraction of the story. In the letter, which is posted on the singer's website, her lawyer says: "The article states that according to Untouchable, Ms. Jackson put down a $40,000 deposit to secure a burial plot for Michael Jackson but refused to let the funeral take place until that money was repaid. This is untrue. Ms. Jackson never delayed the funeral in any way. In fact, she paid for the funeral and was reimbursed for some of those expenses by Michael Jackson's estate in the year after the services took place.

PHOTOS: Stage Shots of Michael Jackson Performing

"In addition, there were other private costs associated with Michael Jackson's passing that Ms. Jackson incurred and for which she has never sought reimbursement. To falsely accuse Ms. Jackson of holding up her brother's funeral over money is outrageous. This story is particularly hurtful and distressing because of Ms. Jackson's strong desire to serve her brother, whom she loved dearly, and her wish to stand with and support her family...I demand that Vanity Fair retract its statement that Ms. Jackson 'refused' to let Michael Jackson's funeral take place until the money she put down as a deposit on his burial plot was repaid...The article is replete with additional false and defamatory statements regarding Ms. Jackson. All statements regarding Ms. Jackson should be retracted and all other media website notified of the retractions."

PHOTOS: Katherine Jackson Holds Memorial For King Of Pop In His Hometown

"It's just absolutely sad that there are those in the world who are still trying to exploit Michael Jackson by writing false books about his life and death," the source says. "The Jackson family has been through enough and Michael's kids should be remembered before these ridiculous and false stories are released. No, this family isn't perfect, and they have a lot of issues, make no mistake about that… It just doesn't help to rehash and rewrite history for sensational headlines and to make money."

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Michael's funeral  just never happened," a family insider tells RadarOnline.com exclusively.
This is what I took from the whole article  :icon_e_wink:
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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It irritates me to no end that people seriously believe that executors of an estate the size and importance of Michael's would have time to debunk internet and social website rumors and rants.  It's amazing.  Surely if they had his Estate to run, there would be much more serious business to attend.  What?  Are they sitting at their computers with clickers in hand just waiting for something unsavory about THEM (not Michael mind you) to erupt to pounce on?   :computer-losy-smiley: That's ludicrous.  This has to be a hoax and how John Branca fits into it still puzzles me.  I just don't like him.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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   and leaving me Speechless!

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All this hoo-ha has done IMO, is draw attention again, for those who still haven't noticed, to the nonsensical length of time between MJ's 'death' and 'burial'.

agree  :icon_e_wink:

+ 1

However in one way or another ,keep talking about Michael  :icon_e_wink: :icon_mrgreen:



                                 
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I find that there are a few outlets that post Michael sided articles.  One of them is the Huff Post.  That they are reposting this story confirms for me that they are a media outlet for Michael and the story is one that Michael concocted for some, at least to me, inexplicable reason.

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I find that there are a few outlets that post Michael sided articles.  One of them is the Huff Post.  That they are reposting this story confirms for me that they are a media outlet for Michael and the story is one that Michael concocted for some, at least to me, inexplicable reason.

Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

What!  :affraid:  I never heard this before. Huff Post said there would be a sequel called This Is Also It? Really?  :suspect:

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Gotta love the internet:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/sony-to-release-this-is-i_b_337576.html

also found this link to a bunch of old articles from them....interesting to see:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/this-is-it

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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

What!  :affraid:  I never heard this before. Huff Post said there would be a sequel called This Is Also It? Really?  :suspect:

Really, lol.  Just another one of the many 'coincidences' of this hoax.  All it took was this little whisper from the HuffPo for people to type in www.thisisalsoit.com and that adventure began.  Thanks wishingstar for finding the article!

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I remember that. We weren't sure what to make of that article and then BAM, redirects.
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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

What!  :affraid:  I never heard this before. Huff Post said there would be a sequel called This Is Also It? Really?  :suspect:

Really, lol.  Just another one of the many 'coincidences' of this hoax.  All it took was this little whisper from the HuffPo for people to type in www.thisisalsoit.com and that adventure began.  Thanks wishingstar for finding the article!

Yep - I remember it well.

Funny article to re-read once in a while "dead is the new black"  lol

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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

Ah, those were the good ol' days, crazy awesome times! :icon_razz:  Thanks for reminding us!
This confirms that TS is connected to Sony as well as to Michael, not just some random imposter (Tim Simkins). That sequel never materialized, and no word was ever said by Sony, AEG, Branca or the family about TS's posts.  That silence is deafening.

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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

What!  :affraid:  I never heard this before. Huff Post said there would be a sequel called This Is Also It? Really?  :suspect:

Really, lol.  Just another one of the many 'coincidences' of this hoax.  All it took was this little whisper from the HuffPo for people to type in www.thisisalsoit.com and that adventure began.  Thanks wishingstar for finding the article!

Thanks Andrea and wishingstar!  I missed this gem, coming in late as I did!

Celebrating the box office returns of its posthumous Michael Jackson film This Is It, Sony Pictures announced today that it would release a sequel titled This Is Also It.

"When we put together This Is It, we thought it was it, but it turns out it wasn't it," said Sony spokesperson Carol Foyler.


Now that is textbook ARG stuff, hiding crumbs for players to find, pick up and run with! I love this hoax!

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Also sort of indicates in hindsight quite strongly that Sony is in on it.
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When is this suppose to be released  :icon_e_geek:  I don't remember anything about it. only the TIAI group who were discouraging people from going to see the original one unless seen through different eyes.
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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@hes, you mean the TINI people.
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 :icon_pale: You're right Bec - I need to start keeping a log of these acronyms.  But still, never heard of this sequel.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Bonnie Cox in MJJustice, believes it was Sony,AEG,Branca who set up the 2 main hoax sites, and pitted the MJ-is -dead and hoax sides against each other via people like Karen Faye and Samantha DeGossen.  She believes the Jackson extended family have all be been paid off handsomely to go along with it, and that PPB are only the product of a later fake Michael.  It also makes one wonder about TS’s question about, did TPTB hear about MJ’s hoax plans and murder him before he could carry it out, or murder him after he carried it out. Remember?

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Also sort of indicates in hindsight quite strongly that Sony is in on it.

Bec of course Sony is in on it you just take a look of this:

SONY MAKE.BELIEVE
SONY PLAY STATION "VITA" = "LIFE" just two examples.
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Maybe this is why the funeral was delayed to the day it was---something else significant happening the same day that needed to be downplayed. The pope visited the Temple Mount where the Holy of Holies once stood, to declare the coming goals.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LbDWZx_huVk#![/youtube]

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MJonmind, he says funeral in the video but he meant the Memorial, because he says July 7th and that it was broadcast worldwide.  The Pope released his encyclical that day calling for a one world authority.  I believe the Memorial date was announced 4 or 5 days before it happened.
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@ Andrea & curls...glad I could help about the Huff Post and TIAI link.....it's all so tied together and so ARG feeling.....at least in parts.
There's so much to put together and discover yet.....I really feel sometimes, we have only scratched the surface. 
Great minds here though.....I love how we work together to find things, discover things, and share out thoughts on things....it all leads
to a greater understanding of Michael and his Hoax : )

Blessings to you guys......

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MJonmind, he says funeral in the video but he meant the Memorial, because he says July 7th and that it was broadcast worldwide.  The Pope released his encyclical that day calling for a one world authority.  I believe the Memorial date was announced 4 or 5 days before it happened.
You're right--I should have paid better attention... :icon_redface: :icon_e_biggrin:

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Interesting.  It was also the HuffPo that got the TIAI ball rolling when they published an article the day This Is It was released in theaters, saying there would be a sequel called This Is Also It.  The TIAI re-directs started shortly thereafter.

What!  :affraid:  I never heard this before. Huff Post said there would be a sequel called This Is Also It? Really?  :suspect:

Really, lol.  Just another one of the many 'coincidences' of this hoax.  All it took was this little whisper from the HuffPo for people to type in www.thisisalsoit.com and that adventure began.  Thanks wishingstar for finding the article!

I'm happy reading all this...Thanks to you all !!!   :bearhug:
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I thought the loop-hole to allowing the family access to the Carolwood residence was because at first it was considered a natural death scene and not foul play. So it wasn't until police decided that Conrad's alleged actions were questionable and it became a potential  crime scene well after the site had been tampered with. This whole scenario makes the keystone cops look competent in comparison. Just another aspect of this whole 'death' that makes me wonder how the general public can swallow this as factual. 

The last half of your messege has puzzled me,can you elaborate for me please.
Not sure what you meant by "this whole scenario makes the keystone...)and the last sentence also.Didnt you explain at the start of your messege why the family were allowed in?

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Hi Anna...yes you are right. I did explain at the start of my post why the family were allowed access within the mansion, however, I feel the LAPD were slow and shoddy with their investigation. 
I copied this little bit  from the weird list on the forum....
The LAPD didn't mark the house off as a crime scene and the family was in and out of the house for 4 days before the LAPD thought "Hey maybe we got a crime scene here"

Now the thing about this is that maybe the family was possibly planting stuff more so than removing valuables as this news item posted at the start of this thread  has implied. Because if I remember correctly drugs weren't found at the Carolwood address until a second search by LAPD. And by the time the LAPD got their act together, video footage from surveilance tapes that should have shown what happened had been erased. And this is why I said their investigation reminded me of the keystone cops [an old time comedy of silly bumbling policemen] . These inconsistencies should make fans and interested people begin to recognize that something is not quite right here and begin to look more deeply at the whole death scene. I hope I have explained myself a little better this time around.  :icon_geek:



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Why do I think the trash cans play a role still......so many trash cans we have seen, especially June 25th.
I searched around, lol, found a very interesting old thread from our forum here.....and this picture:



".....but there was a huge ass truck 2 days later leaving the house,...."

Why was the trash still out there 2 days later?  It's from this old thread...very interesting read about the timing of
the making of photos etc......worth a look back for sure:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&start=575

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Hi Anna...yes you are right. I did explain at the start of my post why the family were allowed access within the mansion, however, I feel the LAPD were slow and shoddy with their investigation. 
I copied this little bit  from the weird list on the forum....
The LAPD didn't mark the house off as a crime scene and the family was in and out of the house for 4 days before the LAPD thought "Hey maybe we got a crime scene here"

Now the thing about this is that maybe the family was possibly planting stuff more so than removing valuables as this news item posted at the start of this thread  has implied. Because if I remember correctly drugs weren't found at the Carolwood address until a second search by LAPD. And by the time the LAPD got their act together, video footage from surveilance tapes that should have shown what happened had been erased. And this is why I said their investigation reminded me of the keystone cops [an old time comedy of silly bumbling policemen] . These inconsistencies should make fans and interested people begin to recognize that something is not quite right here and begin to look more deeply at the whole death scene. I hope I have explained myself a little better this time around.  :icon_geek:




What if the surveillance tapes were not erased and will be shown after Michael comes back to show the world he didn't die that day?
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Hi Anna...yes you are right. I did explain at the start of my post why the family were allowed access within the mansion, however, I feel the LAPD were slow and shoddy with their investigation. 
I copied this little bit  from the weird list on the forum....
The LAPD didn't mark the house off as a crime scene and the family was in and out of the house for 4 days before the LAPD thought "Hey maybe we got a crime scene here"

Now the thing about this is that maybe the family was possibly planting stuff more so than removing valuables as this news item posted at the start of this thread  has implied. Because if I remember correctly drugs weren't found at the Carolwood address until a second search by LAPD. And by the time the LAPD got their act together, video footage from surveilance tapes that should have shown what happened had been erased. And this is why I said their investigation reminded me of the keystone cops [an old time comedy of silly bumbling policemen] . These inconsistencies should make fans and interested people begin to recognize that something is not quite right here and begin to look more deeply at the whole death scene. I hope I have explained myself a little better this time around.  :icon_geek:




What if the surveillance tapes were not erased and will be shown after Michael comes back to show the world he didn't die that day?

My thoughts too.  It was just too convenient for those tapes to have been erased right at the point where something important could have been recorded.  I never believed that the tapes were missing or erased.
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The blog mjhoaxlive, has two surveillance videos and pay close attention to the first people waiting car entry MJ, a woman appears. Who would leave the house to get to MJ?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PtgN3iC9JqY[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ww_AdH7hdik[/youtube]


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Why do I think the trash cans play a role still......so many trash cans we have seen, especially June 25th.
I searched around, lol, found a very interesting old thread from our forum here.....and this picture:



".....but there was a huge ass truck 2 days later leaving the house,...."

Why was the trash still out there 2 days later?  It's from this old thread...very interesting read about the timing of
the making of photos etc......worth a look back for sure:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18053&start=575

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I was wondering about this not long ago, not about THIS photo though but about the scene where the ambulance is reversing out, The bins were apparently emptied on the Wednesday going by the zone and day on the LA website for waste collection.. I wondered why they were still out a day later.. surely there would have been rubbish to throw away in those 24 hours..
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The link to the photo says June 27, 2009. Garbage collection was scheduled on June 24.
Given the dates are correct:
it is probably not illegal to leave garbage bins outside though one could think of a fine for not putting the bins back into the yard.
In any case, leaving them outside, accessible for third parties, and not including them into a secured area inside the gates alone make the "crime scene", LAPD's and the Sheriff's work non-credible.


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I remember lots of talk about the garbage bins early on.....the collection day for that part of town not being a Thursday etc.  I just think it's so odd that they were out, and so many of them, and that they were left there???  WTFoosfall is up with that?  But then again....not much from June 25th, 2009 makes sense to me, lol......the "ambulance scene" has always been a favorite for me.  It's what initially peaked my curiosity about it all.  Those who have been here for a long time have heard me yap a lot about the timing of the shadows...they seem off to me.  I don't know...the weather that day, the time it's supposed to be, they just always seem off.  However, the garbage has always intrigued me as well...does that make me trashy?  :icon_eek:
I surmise Janet wanted her deposit back because she discovered Michael was not dead, he just wasn't with with us at the moment......

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Wasn't it determined that the neighbourhood is too hoity-toity to have garbage bins out front on the streets? That they should've been in the back so as to not mess up with the aesthetics of the street?

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Yeah...I think so Andrea.....It's also a small/narrow street to begin with.  There are 2 entrances to that home as well.  This one we see with the ambulance and truck seems to be the more public one...the one around the corner seems to me more likely the spot for garbage...if it even can be at the curb like you say.  I always thought privacy was an issue with Michael.....people/fans would ransack his trash......they do odd stuff, lol.  If I were someone like Michael, I wouldn't want my trash at the curb where it might end up on Ebay or someone's display hutch! Yuck! 
Such a tangled web........really trashy web  :icon_lol:

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Guys, if you remember my post after my trip to Carolwood, i wrote that trash was taken at that neighborhood on Thursdays and cans must be brought out on the street for machine to empty them. What day was June 25th? RIght, Thursday.
As for surveillance camera, it does not make sense to leave it on to recoord events then for sibblings to take it out.
In contrary,it is safe and reasonable to realise plan while camera is  off. That's why there was no recording of inside and outside of the house found for hours that MJ was 'dying'. Although the same scenario works considering if MJ was killed and Murray or somebody else in the house turned off recording. Yes, I mean it, I  believe Murray is not in hoax and was hired to kill MJ.
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Did you check the dates for garbage collection in 2009? This was one of the first "not fitting" elements we discussed.

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Guys, if you remember my post after my trip to Carolwood, i wrote that trash was taken at that neighborhood on Thursdays and cans must be brought out on the street for machine to empty them. What day was June 25th? RIght, Thursday.
As for surveillance camera, it does not make sense to leave it on to recoord events then for sibblings to take it out.
In contrary,it is safe and reasonable to realise plan while camera is  off. That's why there was no recording of inside and outside of the house found for hours that MJ was 'dying'. Although the same scenario works considering if MJ was killed and Murray or somebody else in the house turned off recording. Yes, I mean it, I  believe Murray is not in hoax and was hired to kill MJ.

Are you meaning that the vid footage was taken in a different day than June 25 because it was thursday and the trash were usually taken on thursdays and however were shown at the vid footage? Maybe on thursdays trash were taken but...at what time? it could be taken after the ambulance was heading to the hospital isn't it?
On the other hand I don't think CM is guilty or was hired to kill Michael because there are many evidences at the trials confirming that they were fake, it suddenly comes to mind CM being handcuffed while sitting.
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Michael's burial was delayed because he has never been buried, lol, check it out here and scroll down:




https://twitter.com/MJ4AllTime7/status/310843309960617984/photo/1
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