INTERNET DECEPTION, MANIPULATION AND TROLLING ON MJDHI

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INTERNET DECEPTION, MANIPULATION AND TROLLING ON MJDHI

  • on: September 04, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
Normally I just ban trolls and don’t pay attention to them because I don’t think they deserve more attention. But lately I see so many people fall in traps of clever internet trolls (not just in the hoax community, but everywhere on the net) and I think it is time to address it and explain for one time how I make my decision. I really hope people will read this and start understanding why I think some trolls are dangerous and why I immediately ban someone when I don’t trust it. I explained earlier in a post how I work (see Your safety and my responsibility as an administrator) but I would like to take this a step further now by showing step by step what happens before I ban a troll.
 
Read more: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/blogs/1/6/internet-deception-manipulation

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Thanks for posting, often fall to wolves in sheep's clothing.  :bearhug:

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This is one of the reasons I rarely to never chat.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 07:08:01 PM by hesouttamylife »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Offline sweetsunsetwithMJ

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Guys I am warning you please be careful with your facebook accounts, this Virtually Visible hacked mine because he asked me about something very private that I only shared with one person on a private conversation, I knew something was wrong and I shouldn't trust him anymore so following his conversation on the chat I provided him a trap and he fell that was the reason why I thought he might be a troll apart from he was ALWAYS the one that looked for me on the chat and NEVER the other way around, so if I were you I would change my fb password just in case because the kind of people like this don't never give up and will probably try once and again with different names and/or IP adress.

ps: Thanks Souza for caring!!
« Last Edit: September 05, 2012, 07:29:09 AM by sweetsunsetwithMJ »
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ick.  thanks Souza and other mods

Offline Truth_or_Dare

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Guys my e-mail has just been hacked. I was one of the people who talked to this person, sadly he knew that e-mail and since he was the only one i talked to on there, i think it's pretty safe to assume he did it. so be very careful. I've never had something like happen before and it's def a good lesson to learn to be more careful. lots of wakos out there! Stay safe!
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Everyone needs to be very vigilant in protecting their systems because the amount of 'hackers' out there has increased greatly and will continue to increase.  I have some experience/knowledge about systems and can tell you that it's not an easy thing to do...the people that do this sort of thing are very knowledgable and usually are up to no good and can, in some cases, be very dangerous (it's, in essence, breaking and entering into someone's space).  You should NEVER give out any personal info unless you are 100% sure the person on the other end is trustworthy, and in internet-land that's very rare.  Something as simple as telling someone the name of your pet may be saying too much (especially if you've used that as an answer for security questions anywhere).  It doesn't mean you have to be anti-social...just be smart about your interactions with people.  And be smart about protecting your systems....BOTH a firewall AND a security program are essential.  It may not stop you from getting 'hacked' but it will make the hackers' job MUCH more difficult....to the point where they may just give up in trying.

Here's an article from the FBI about protecting your system.  Take what you can from it...although the FBI has also been hacked haha, there is still useful info there.  All Souza and the rest of us can do is warn people and help them with any questions they may have...but ultimately, your safety is YOUR responsibility.

 
How to Protect Your Computer

The same advice parents might deliver to young drivers on their first solo journey applies to everyone who wants to navigate safely online. A special agent in our Cyber Division offered the following:

- "Don't drive in bad neighborhoods."
- "If you don't lock your car, it's vulnerable; if you don't secure your computer, it's vulnerable."
- "Reduce your vulnerability, and you reduce the threat."

Below are some key steps to protecting your computer from intrusion:

- Keep Your Firewall Turned On: A firewall helps protect your computer from hackers who might try to gain access to crash it, delete information, or even steal passwords or other sensitive information. Software firewalls are widely recommended for single computers. The software is prepackaged on some operating systems or can be purchased for individual computers. For multiple networked computers, hardware routers typically provide firewall protection.

- Install or Update Your Antivirus Software: Antivirus software is designed to prevent malicious software programs from embedding on your computer. If it detects malicious code, like a virus or a worm, it works to disarm or remove it. Viruses can infect computers without users' knowledge. Most types of antivirus software can be set up to update automatically.

- Install or Update Your Antispyware Technology: Spyware is just what it sounds like—software that is surreptitiously installed on your computer to let others peer into your activities on the computer. Some spyware collects information about you without your consent or produces unwanted pop-up ads on your web browser. Some operating systems offer free spyware protection, and inexpensive software is readily available for download on the Internet or at your local computer store. Be wary of ads on the Internet offering downloadable antispyware—in some cases these products may be fake and may actually contain spyware or other malicious code. It's like buying groceries—shop where you trust.

- Keep Your Operating System Up to Date: Computer operating systems are periodically updated to stay in tune with technology requirements and to fix security holes. Be sure to install the updates to ensure your computer has the latest protection.

- Be Careful What You Download: Carelessly downloading e-mail attachments can circumvent even the most vigilant anti-virus software. Never open an e-mail attachment from someone you don't know, and be wary of forwarded attachments from people you do know. They may have unwittingly advanced malicious code.

- Turn Off Your Computer: With the growth of high-speed Internet connections, many opt to leave their computers on and ready for action. The downside is that being "always on" renders computers more susceptible. Beyond firewall protection, which is designed to fend off unwanted attacks, turning the computer off effectively severs an attacker's connection—be it spyware or a botnet that employs your computer's resources to reach out to other unwitting users.

http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/computer_protect

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Offline sweetsunsetwithMJ

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Thanks for sharing BeTheChange.
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Dear Souza,
Thank you for warning us. You have always been vigilant about the strange people who lurk in the virtual world. I've had one email account hacked--I had to close it down. There are few people you can trust in both the real and virtual worlds.
I have been on this forum since June 25, 2009, but I had problems with the other forum and lost track of some of the topics.
Could you tell me if TS is still considered an insider or is he a devil's advocate? I apologize for my confusion.
Thank you again for maintaining the forum.

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Excellent tips BeTheChange. Thanks so much for sharing this info. :bearhug:

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Offline sweetsunsetwithMJ

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Dear Souza,
Thank you for warning us. You have always been vigilant about the strange people who lurk in the virtual world. I've had one email account hacked--I had to close it down. There are few people you can trust in both the real and virtual worlds.
I have been on this forum since June 25, 2009, but I had problems with the other forum and lost track of some of the topics.
Could you tell me if TS is still considered an insider or is he a devil's advocate? I apologize for my confusion.
Thank you again for maintaining the forum.

Sorry I am not Souza but I can tell you that TS is still considered a reliable insider, take a look:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/board,281.0.html
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Thank you very much. I'll catch up!

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Thanks Souza ,this  is a very important matter... :compute:

Thanks Be for the informations  :icon_razz: ... I control a lot  my pc , but unfortunately  never know what can happen  :icon_e_sad:

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Thank you, Souza, and others, for posting this warning and information. I also do not follow chat rooms and/or friend anyone I don't know well. But I can see how it could happen if one let their guard down.

Stay safe everyone. Not everyone out there has the best intentions when trying to get to know you.

Blessings to you.
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Hey guys this is important:

I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY"  saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.   
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Hey guys this is important:

I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY"  saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.

Banned. IP addresses: 79.141.173.79 & 95.141.28.53.

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Hey guys this is important:

I have just received a message on the chat with the username: "REMY"  saying to me that "VV" (Virtually Visible) send me love and peace, please be careful and don't exchange any data with him he might be another TROLL.

Banned. IP addresses: 79.141.173.79 & 95.141.28.53.

Good job!!
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The style of Hoaxbook and chat seems to be attractive to these people. I was alarmed by the number of new names that appeared as soon as Hoaxbook started up. Why had they not signed up on the forum before? Of course, many, if not most, were probably perfectly legit, but apparently some weren't/aren't.

I don't know, but is there some sort of 'screening' process, or have people request membership , or have it by invitation only, or something other than automatic on the spot access, that would help to keep these facilities clean and safe for those who legitimately want to use them?

I know you want the site to be attractive and welcoming to newcomers Souza, but reading this sort of stuff makes me feel a bit like we've moved into a new and unknown neighbourhood and we're leaving all our doors and windows open!

I urge people to use common sense and caution and take your warnings to heart.

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I only welcome members who sign up on the forum because are the ones that are really interested in searching about Michael's death hoax clues, I don't usually interact with members on the hoaxbook except with the ones I know from the forum and that undesirable VV who was stalking me night and day. On the other hand I don't understand why new members who are posting on the hoaxbook don't post on the forum, if they are posting on the MJHFI hoaxbook is because they are attracted by MJ's death hoax, aren't they? so why don't post on the forum? it's something very strange that makes me  wonder why and if they are legit or not. :confused:
« Last Edit: September 16, 2012, 11:25:55 AM by sweetsunsetwithMJ »
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More help is needed. I originally posted this on the Hoaxbook side but more attention is required. This is something we all can be united over. It doesn't matter what I believe or what other fans believe regarding whether or not MJ hoaxed his death. I have my truth and that is not relevant at this point.

It is very serious and very dangerous for the many fans who are being duped.

Please for the vulnerable people let's stop this now.
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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/groups/topic/view/group_id/18/topic_id/26/post_id/749

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For all you crew… this one’s for you.
 
First – who is the crew? These 12 names, as near as I can tell:
 
@JackieBlue64xxx, @ApplePieAlchemy, @LaurenceDupras, @ValentinaGalina, @GoldNLotus, @Handsonthetruth, @Cosmic_cheri, @SageDeAmour, @mjlover4eva, @Peacock2012, @MJIntrigue2012, @robin_cee.
 
Other possible crew, or junior crew, or even just supporters:
 
@MCristinaBaldin also as @Nefy1956, @undermj, @Thriller_Wolf, @celmj17, @juliegannon, @carmelina919, @Lilwendymjhd, @ScarlettCarson2, @59Pascaline, @BoMJBelle, @LOVEMARY18, @Peas_Frog, @fenicemjj, @OnlyRealTink, @aliceverdino, @DonnaLAvila, @TraceyMcClosk, @MikeJBornAnew, @PuppetMJaster (who may actually be just another secret account of @DMovie27).
 
I know there are other people involved, but these appear to be the MOST involved. If anyone feels left out, I'll be happy to add you to the list. Likewise, if anyone feels they don't belong on this list, please let me know and I'll tweet that you have declared that you DON'T support what I'm about to detail here.

The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.
 
If you believe MJ faked his death, then it’s still a very big stretch to assume that he would ever openly appear on a social media site while still being “hidden” from the world. That would be lunacy for him, in the first place. If you reason he faked his death for some very good purpose, such as to avoid danger, first he would have entrusted quite a few close to him with this, and probably paid a lot of money to help keep the secret. Would he openly appear somewhere like Twitter, where someone could easily pay off some low-paid Twitter employee to divulge his IP address so they could find him? Would MJ betray all who are keeping his secret by being so irresponsible? The answer is – no, he would not.
 
Would he appear on a site such as Twitter and proceed to speak out against Hollywood, his family, the President? Would he declare that he didn’t have vitiligo that way? Would he openly state he never loved Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie? Would he engage in “TP” sessions with people after asking them to show him their photo? Would he tell fans to go to hell, and would he openly tell a woman she should be thrashed and beaten? The answer is – no, he would not.
 
Michael Jackson, if alive, would never set foot here and try to engage with people. It would be a disaster for him. The community of online fans needs to embrace this. And then do its level best to shoo away anyone who appears to be pulling off an impersonation. If you fear you might be shooing away the real Michael Jackson – well, shoo him away. He, of all people, should know better! Some of the impersonators sound cuddly and friendly, so what’s the harm? The harm is in KNOWING THEY ARE IMPERSONATING MICHAEL JACKSON. That is all anyone needs to know before they proceed to get rid of him. Or her.
 
It is all too tempting to stage an impersonation for anyone who wants to gain attention. And they can do it SO EASILY here, too! I’ve had people send me DMs asking me if I’M Michael! People are openly hunting for him! So hey, little girl, look… it’s me, Michael Jackson, tweeting at you on magical Twitter! Wheeee! C’mon and let’s have some fun! Hee hee hee!
 
Fraud doesn’t have to be for money or material gain. So many commit fraud just for personal satisfaction. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ONLINE since June 25, 2009 who claims to be, or hints to be, Michael Jackson, is a fraud and needs to be eliminated from the system. As a community, the fans need to watch each other’s backs here, and this is very important.

What’s the harm? Well, first, what if someone made a Twitter account and decided to be YOU? You wouldn’t have a problem with that? Do you trust complete strangers to properly comport themselves “as” Michael Jackson and never do any wrong to anyone? Realize that the very first thing they’ve done is wrong, the decision to impersonate him. Every single thing they do after that is immediately suspect. No one claiming to be or hinting to be Michael Jackson online should be trusted or supported for any reason.
 
Not even because you enjoy it or just like it or think it’s fun. Maybe some of you like watching AMSI’s antics, saying surprising things, or just telling you all how he loves you, or watching him tell people off, the president, Oprah, Jackson family, or even Twitter fans who disagree with him and challenge him. Is he speaking “truth”? No, he’s here, wasting people’s time, he’s here, doing something illegal, and he’s here, doing his level best to ruin the image of Michael Jackson. Do you realize there are a great many people who STILL believe AMSI is him – but that he’s such an asshole, they no longer want anything to do with Michael Jackson anymore?
 
What this leads to is this: If you openly support this account, or any other fraudulent impersonator account, you are then guilty of fraud as an accomplice. If you help a bank robber, you are tried as a bank robber. If you help someone who beat someone up, you are tried for the crime of assault. If you help someone pull off a fraud, then YOU are guilty of fraud.
 
That is how everyone needs to look at this. If a bank robber does a cute little dance while he’s robbing the bank, is he less guilty? No, of course he’s not. If he charms you and you’re swept away by that charm and you help him get away with his crime, are you considered at fault? Yes you are. Absolutely.
 
So all of you supporting this AMSI account are guilty of fraud. You need to face that. Eyes are on you. Do you really want to feel the hot breath of an angry mob on your face? This is not fun and games, and most of all, this is NOT helping Michael. It is most definitely, 100% assuredly, hurting him. It doesn't matter if you agree with that or not; it's still fraud.
 
Some of you crew appear to be quite religious. Did you read my blog and see the connections to Doug’s earlier writings about Michael being “the chosen one”? Well, religious ones, does your Bible say a single thing about Michael Jackson being a religious figure? He was a song and dance man, mostly. He was not a politician, he was not a lifelong giver like Mother Theresa or the Dalai Lama. He was an entertainer. He did a lot of good things in is life, but he never aspired to being a Messiah and he would have laughed at the idea. For anyone to suggest that Michael is coming back to fight evil on this world as a new Messiah, is sacreligious. Go ahead, go ask your pastor, reverend, rabbi, whomever, what he thinks of that.
 
Because that IS a part of the entire scheme here. Maybe you didn’t read my blogs about this because you thought I was attacking your friend, someone who’s been nice to you, someone who has praised you and endeavored to “teach” you. What I posted in my blog, along with my own commentary, was actual copy and paste of Steven C. Douglas’s actual words, which included his talk about first John Lennon, and then no, not John Lennon, Michael Jackson, being the Chosen One. What do you think a Chosen One IS? He is either trying to get you to believe this line of thought, OR, he is subtly working to establish that MJ is a Chosen One… chosen by the elite, the illuminati, to do THEIR bidding. I still feel there’s a good chance that “Doug” is not a real MJ fan after all, since so much of what I’ve seen him doing seems to undermine him in so many ways, as he presents it “with L.O.V.E.”
 
Let me ask you this: Did Doug tell you, any of his “friends” here about his little film he made? He’s asking you to go inspect films for clues; he’s asking you to trust his judgment as some type of an expert. He posted about ten clips of his film back in January on another YouTube account, Changethegameent1. Did he share the links to these clips with ANY of you, his “friends”?
 
Did any of you “good friends” even know his first name is actually Steven? Did he ever share a photo of himself? …I didn’t think so.
 
You don’t believe Doug is AMSI? Of COURSE he won’t say so, he will deny it. And I’ve already made these points in my blog, but you must be aware that back around last November, AMSI tweeted out several names whose pages he endorsed: Twiggy, Pearl Jr., Pianogames, TNZ and DMovie27. Several more times he specifically mentioned DMovie27’s page. NONE of the other people ever endorsed AMSI back, in fact other than Pianogames who seems to no longer be around, the others outright spat back at him for daring to speak their names in any context.

And certainly Doug made a big deal about being endorsed, like he had been divinely anointed. Did he ever actually have a conversation with AMSI during most of that time, until recently? No. And why wouldn’t a wannabe filmmaker who had been endorsed by Michael Jackson actually even converse with him when he had so much opportunity to? Why did “they” only choose to converse with each other after I had pointed out that they never did so before?
 
And then you see Doug/AMSI slowly working to undermine the other “hoax investigators” so that he can be “the one, the only one endorsed by Michael Jackson himself.” Some guy with very little to show for his life but a crappy little film with no artistry to it at all – you are all TRUSTING him so much that you’ll stake your own reputations behind him? Someone whose actual name you never even knew?
 
Go try to explain that to one of your real-life friends and see how ridiculous you feel even by the second sentence.
 
I have more anecdotes from people, more of Doug’s own words, more things to share. And I will keep sharing them until enough people finally get the idea. And I will encourage everyone to demand that the people responsible for this are called to account for it.

Meanwhile, the anger for what he’s doing is building. And it’s about time those of you who share the blame for promoting this abomination posing as Michael Jackson, to finally accept the responsibility for it. This community not only needs to help get rid of AMSI – it needs to help get rid of people who have so stupidly misplaced your trust in someone you barely even knew, and who has been lying to you about his “teaching credentials” as “someone who knows,” and who has been overtly abusive to people you once considered friends.

I would ask you to please re-read my blog http://hoaxcrispies.wordpress.com and go ahead and skip over the parts where I’m making fun of him, and just look for the content there that belongs to him, his own words, and really ask yourself if this is someone you would lay down your own reputation for. Many of you are “hidden” behind a Twitter moniker and no one knows who you really are there – but YOU know who it is tweeting there. YOU know who you are, YOU are responsible for your own output on the site, and YOU have to live with knowing this man has hurt other people, AND MICHAEL JACKSON, with what he’s doing there.

If you continue to support him, then you deserve whatever rain falls upon you from other fans. And if he is actually dangerous as I feel is highly possible (because why is he doing it in the first place?), you may be also tracked down by the FBI or Homeland Security or the Secret Service and asked to testify -- or even be looked upon as an accomplice. Do you think even the slightest possibility of that happening is worth standing behind this virtual stranger whose tweets and praise you seem to enjoy?

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Wow - still problems? I sure hope that people become a little wiser in who they associate with on the Internet.

Blessings to you. Thanks for sharing.
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?
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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?

No sweetswingset. Front is in a category all by himself. This other situation happening is regarding a FRAUD posing as MJ:
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The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.

This FRAUD on twitter is endorsing another FRAUD named Dmovie27. There is history from over 2 years ago regarding what Dmovie27 has done and continues to do. I understand it is confusing.

Really what is needed here is awareness and more awakening to the fact that the potentially dangerous aspect of MJ's hoax is this!


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@Iam_convicedmjalive.... so then we can discard that Front is MJ, can we?

No sweetswingset. Front is in a category all by himself. This other situation happening is regarding a FRAUD posing as MJ:
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The reason for the spotlight on these people is: They openly support an account, known formerly as MJviva, ASMICHAELSAYSIT, ASMICHAELJOESAY and now @MJ_29AUGUST1958, which they believe to be Michael Jackson, and who has spent one year now parading around as him on Twitter, now with over 1,500 followers.

This FRAUD on twitter is endorsing another FRAUD named Dmovie27. There is history from over 2 years ago regarding what Dmovie27 has done and continues to do. I understand it is confusing.

Really what is needed here is awareness and more awakening to the fact that the potentially dangerous aspect of MJ's hoax is this!


Yes but if Front is Michael he is exposing his IP address unless he uses a proxy that I don't know if it's feasible in order to be able to post on the forum.
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