SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

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SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 07:38:47 AM
My apologies if this has been posted already. I enjoyed reading it, although I definitely don't believe MJ planned on doing the hoax in 2008 and postponed it. Remember 9282 (totaling 21=777) days each side of the Pepsi fire, from MJ's birth to 'death' June 25,09, so nope.
I loved especially the SOTT posts (Sitting on the toilet --which is how Elvis supposedly died :icon_pale: :icon_mrgreen:) who we think is Michael just as is Back and Front.  I don't see the LTTW (Looking through the window) anywhere in it... :icon_e_confused:

http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/discover-the-man-you-never-knew/
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DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW
Posted by truenewszone on March 20, 2012 · 25 Comments

“He is knocking, don’t you hear? He is knocking on every door.
Nobody wants to open. The doors of perception.”
TNZ ‘God Save The King‘
……….
“But I tell you the truth, no prophet is accepted in his own hometown.”
Luke 4:24
…….
‘There is a favorite story [...] of the Buddha, preaching:
of how he held up a single lotus, that simple gesture being his whole sermon.
Only one member of his audience, however, caught the message,
a monk named Kashyapa… And the Buddha, noticing, gave him a knowing nod,
then preached a verbal sermon for the rest: a sermon for those who required
meaning, still entrapped in the net of ideas; yet pointing beyond,
to escape from the net and to the way that some of them,
one day or another, might find.’
Joseph Campbel ‘Myths to Live by’
……….
Today, on the 999th day of  ’The Great Adventure’ we’re breaking our vow of silence to tell you the same old thing ‘You have not understood anything!’ Mr. Jackson told you in the beginning of the ride: ‘Discover the man you never knew!’ Because without this primary action you can not understand anything he’s trying to tell you.

The main reason for the termination of TNZ’ ‘broadcasting’ was the incurable blindness of our audience (no offense, guys) — ironically, ‘the first ever media for the blind’ failed to cope with it.) So we decided, ‘well, okay, he who knows does not speak, he who speaks does not know’… But observing the whole hoax, its past, present and future from our voluntary ‘wayside’, we’ve seen something that made us recall — Mr. Jackson who faces a militant blindness and deafness of his loving audience is, actually, experiencing the same. And ‘with all that he has been through, he is still around.’

So are we. Because, you know, it’s hard to watch silently how someone whom you – yes, you — expect so desperately, keeps on knocking on your door [of perception] without any response from your side… How your King disguised as a beggar wanders from one door to another, begging for a bit of true vision, for a penny of understanding — for none of king’s treasures can be compared to these priceless things. At best, he remains unnoticed and talks to himself as a madman; at worst, he hears in response “get off! you jerk don’t mess with us! we’re too smart to be mindfucked by someone like you.” BAN!  BAM! — and this amicable and loving society rejects poor King again and again, having mistaken his magician’s hat for a beggar’s cap.

What a shame. What if he comes not only to ask for your understanding, but to give..? Ah, well, forget it…
Is it his fault that he’s too sophisticated for you to be comprehended?

Is it their fault that you are too valuable and unattainable for them to be expected in broad daylight standing in Front of their doors?

No. People are definitely blind, Your Majesty, but let’s say, they are merely blinded by your brilliance…
*Sigh… Probably that’s no one’s fault. HIStory repeats itself over and over again. But judging by the persistence of his attempts (to bring the Light into your darkness), he probably finds this occupancy not quite hopeless. Or perhaps he actually longs for it, for the right perception.

If so, we guess, The Ex-King Of Pop doesn’t quite realize the difficulty of this task — he would love to be understood correctly by his people, leaving them no chance to do it. Oh boy, how on Earth someone such unpopularly sophisticated could be called ‘king of POP’ at all???  Desiring to be grasped in all his complexity, untranslatability and paradoxality, at the same time he used to disguise himself as a quite different — two-dimensional — character. In comparison with the original, of course.

Why? Believe us, he had a reason. For he had a plan. For he had to play a Big Game. For they say, ‘Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.” So he simply  has been hiding his sources. So the face you observed over the years was nothing but a ‘poker face’. That miraculously turned into a ‘joker’s face’ in due time. ; ]

THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES

‘Michael may be made to look stupid, and sometimes he plays along
or promotes that notion… but its all done with agenda.
Spend some time with Michael, in a business environment, and soon you see
that the man is cunning, and his persona is meant to decieve the people
that he needs to take to the cleaners… Michael knows what he’s doing.
He knows the game. He knows who he’s playing and how he must play.
Sony may be taking his pawns, but in the end, the black King will reign,
and checkmate will be called on the corporate powers that be.‘
SOTT @ Cartman’s Corner, 2002


So, to understand the whole hoax you had to forget everything you thought you know about Mr. Jackson, everything he told about himself, and everything he let other people (including true friends & so-called ‘friends’) tell about him in their interview and tell-all-books. Or rather you should always remember that everything — well, okay, almost everything —  you heard about Mr. Jackson was censored or staged by him, no matter how sincere those people are and how insider-ish that information looks. As Akon said in his famous interview (what a smart cookie), “Everything in Mike’s life was choreographed. So he’s probably on some island right now just relaxing, waiting for the time to come back. “  So, yes, ‘everything is choreographed’ by Mr. Jackson himself. Not that ALL these people are his puppets, in the know and tell exactly what he wants them to tell — but they tell exactly what he made them believe in. It’s been done for a purpose, for he knows human nature too well. We do mean this part of human nature that encourages ex-cooks, ex-bodyguards and ex-whoevers to write books and give away interviews about their living in light of the rays of The Sun King. (Be sure, this inability to be completely himself with anyone, this living in a mode of  constant self-censoring is yet another sad aspect of ‘being Michael Jackson’ that none of you would never wish to try.)

So you had to stop thinking that you do know Mr. Jackson’s behavioral patterns and that ”He wouldn’t do that!” — but, alas, this was and remains the ever-greenest hoax-meme and the most common mistake, preventing you from seeing quite simple and logical ‘hows’ and ‘whys’.

TNZ told you long ago,
THERE IS NO AND HAS NEVER BEEN MICHAEL JACKSON AS YOU USED TO THINK OF HIM.
‘He’, sure, wouldn’t do THAT.
But THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW WOULD. AND HE DID.
And THIS entire saga, you know, IS about HIM.
‘Discover the man you never knew’. Mmm, who said that?
The Man who probably doesn’t mind you to know him.
If there is anything you should take literally, then THIS IS IT.
“So everything was a lie? Is MJ a liar?”

Oh, come on, don’t panic. Anyway it’s too late.)  Don’t let this idea cut the ground from under your feet. No, he would never do that! And yes. Not ‘everything’ is a lie. Well, all depends on context & purpose. There are still Mr. Jackson’s deeds which speak louder than any words… There are still his songs and lyrics — they not merely speak, they shout… There is still a beautiful lie of V, a lie that let us discover the truth about ourselves. All this was and IS the truest truth.

Nevertheless, giving as arguments MJ’s poems, his love to children and philanthropic gestures, don’t forget the context where we are now. His sensitive soul and big, empathetic heart are not those ‘organs’ that helped him in managing a con like this. A huge, complicated, successful business project like this. Rather his amazing and underrated MIND did, his strategic thinking and his adamant will, including the will to live.

‘The non-believers have this image of MJ which is out of line with reality : we’ve heard things like this……. He would never do this to his family and fans, he would never have allowed Sony to have anything to do with TII after they fell out.  Really? Well first and foremost MJ is a BUSINESSMAN, a businessman with a good heart (unlike some of the corrupt vultures), but a businessman just the same. He is no shrinking violet just because he speaks in a soft voice most of the time and has good manners. Having endured a lifetime of ridicule has made him tough and he knows how to do GOOD BUSINESS. We are all familiar with the public dressing-down of Mottola and the debacle over the rights to his Masters (when the rights to his own songs would revert to him) however, MJ is an artist who generates billions of dollars. Imagine this scenario: once Mottola was dumped, maybe TPTB at Sony were like “how do we make it up to you Mike”…….. maybe Mike says: “well there is this project I’ve been planning for some time”……BINGO. It shouldn’t be any surprise to anyone that Sony is up to its neck in it and it’s fully sanctioned by MJ. People or fans that almost drop dead at this suggestion do not know the real MJ ….. it’s just another part of the hoax, doing what most people think he wouldn’t do….. unless you have ‘discovered the man’. So in essence, the hoax will dispel some of the other ridiculous notions that people have about him and finally see that he really is the architect of his own business. MJ is no push-over!!’ ——  BlackJack @mjhf, October 2010

The main idea we have been trying to implant in your minds is not that Michael Good Jackson whom you love dearly doesn’t exist, and some Mr. Bad instead of him plays with your feelings, hoaxing his death and his life. But the idea that another, the real one, the hidden one, THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW, the man who decided to fake his death, his life and his public persona — with only purpose to live out and to take back what has been taken from him, unfairly and mercilessly — this man wants you to know HIM at last.

And you know what? We bet, he is even better, than your magnificent Michael Myth Jackson. He is even wiser, stronger, funnier, he’s more natural and vivid, more earthy and therefore more vulnerable… Sure, he is also more complicated, more difficult for perception, more ambivalent — he may walk  a thin line between conceptions known to you as ‘good’ and ‘evil’, but he knows what side he belongs to and he never, never stumbles. And the best of all, HE IS REAL.

But so far he has been just another illustration of the idea that truth is not as lovable as fiction… We dare to suppose, the fake personality he created often gives him a hard time — a kind of isolation within an ivory tower of his own refined/distorted image. Meantime, Mr. Jackson always seemed to be hungry for normal communication with normal people  – though, an eternal conflict between The Normal Valley’s people and something UNORDINARY always makes itself felt, sooner or later. * Sigh.

Well, that’s why the slogan ‘discover the man you never knew’ is still actual.
Because the majority still have not understood what and why really happened on June 25, 2009.
Because the man wasted a lot of words to explain it, with no obvious success.
Because nobody really listens to him. Because this time he is not ‘pop’ enough and hardly comprehensible for masses. So to understand him you should try really, really hard.

READY? 1, 2, 3, 4, THIS IS IT
“The more you look, the less you really know.”
‘The Man Who Wasn’t There’
TNZ have always been too busy and too confident about Mr. Jackson’s motives and tactics to hang out on hoax-forums, searching for tips. Imagine our surprise when we decided to take a glance at what is going on there. Oh God! Everything, all pieces of the puzzle, had been given to you long ago, served on a silver platter. ‘Insiders’ don’t cheat telling ‘everything IS under your nose’ — it IS, well-unnoticed, well-forgotten and well-ignored. So, what should we understand, analizing everything what happened since June 25, 2009  PLUS the remote past generously stuffed with tips and clues? That this ‘depressive’ man ALWAYS wanted to die! ;]
Well, let’s start from the beginning.

From 2001–2002, when Mr. Jackson first time (we hope so ; ) seriously engaged in the preparation of his forthcoming ‘death’.

“2003. The earth will shake. The dead will rise.
Save my riddles, save my lies.
Will you be there, When death comes alive?
I promise you the dead will rise. Remember these lines.“
SOTT @ Cartman’s Corner, November 2002

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“One thing to remember is that the cell is open.
Remember that. The cell is open. I pray you remember that.
Soon, the face will seem familiar, for a theft has taken place.
Remember what I have told you, it will all make sense one day.“
SOTT @ Cartman’s Corner, October 2002

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“[Prison guard]: Open up 6, He’s gone!”
MJ ‘Xscape’, 2003

So, 2001–2002. Historical background:  MJ had voiced his decision to leave Sony (with his half of Sony/ATV) —-> as a result, promotion of ‘Invinsible’ had been sabotaged by Sony/Mottola —-> MJ, in turn, had organized a crusade against the label and its CEO. Also keep in mind lyrics of ‘Unbreakable’, for we already know — this is not about man-woman relationships, but  about  MJ and some unnamed & unfriendly force that tries to take him down.

Exactly at that time (2001–2002) MJ, a devoted father of three little children, starts making public appearances, which make people wonder about MJ’s drug-addiction. What?? Re-read this line. “MJ, a devoted father of three little children…” Really? If you know ‘your Michael’, do you really believe he would use any kind of drugs, having little Prince and Paris and expecting Blanket’s birth? We don’t really think so. Well, let’s go further. His family members trying to bring him to reason hear in response just ‘‘Leave me alone, I’ll be dead in a year anyway.” Oh, that’s a real talk! Because he even prepared a will, signed 07.07.2002 by Branca. Also, on March 2, 2002 he reformulated The Family Trust Agreement.

That’s why we believe 2002 should be considered the starting point of The Project.
In fact, while pretending to be a dying star, Mr.Jackson  led a secret struggle for his life and his kids’ future. He had influential foes, but could foresee their next moves and tried to outplay them. He also had some  loyal influential friends, who promised him their help and support.

The Death Hoax, more likely, had been planned on 2003 and ‘Xscape’ leaked out on January 18, 2003 was a sign of its beginning. (The official statement from MJ’s team about the song’s leakage appeared on 18th of January — MLK day, is it a coincidence?) After the leakage Mr. Jackson ‘got furious/frustrated’ over Sony’s screw-up (mmm, really?) and suspended the launch of ‘Number Ones’. Probably, due to events of  2003 (Martin Bashir’s movie –> the rebuttal movie –> the scandal –> the trial), he was forced  to change his plans, so the hoax had been postponed. We may suppose, his foes just struck first. Don’t wanna touch this painful subject, but guess, Mr. Jackson’s ‘Plan H.’ was one of a few things that gave him strength to get through this hell, staying sane.  His trust in vendetta future Justice and that Truth will eventually prevail.

And no, sure he couldn’t commit ‘suicide’ prior to the trial, for in that case he would never have cleared his name and reputation. Moreover, he was not about to die ‘for ever’, as Elvis and Tupac supposedly did.  We believe, he rather considers Mr. Jesus Christ as a role model and from the very beginning intended to rise from the dead, giving the whole world a good sobering slap paroxysm of awe. ;] And yes, we believe, this plan is still relevant.

It’s noteworthy, that in November 2003 MJ was shooting the video for ‘One More Chance‘, the only previously unreleased song on the album ‘Number Ones’. The final scene had never been shot due to the police raid in Neverland and other troubles, but it was supposed to show MJ from the Back, walking out of the frame. Considering his intentions, this, along with the song’s title, seems a very symbolic gesture. He declared the Escape, so he was going to walk out of a ‘frame’ to take ‘One more chance‘, no matter what. Though, sure, it might be just a coincidence…

THE SECOND ATTEMPT TO MANAGE THE HOAX FALLS ON 2006–2008.
“Drama shall soon be met with that Glorious shield of silence,
while simultaneously being FOREVER replaced by that “square”
of thunder, just around the corner. A man who believes such as I,
that this World can indeed Change, shall make HiStory in this
new Year 2008. The Beginning of the theOrY—until the End…
That timE has come!’ Keep WATCHIN’.
BACK @ mjjc, March 1, 2008


Guess, Mr. Jackson had started to cast about all those little, cute, devilish details of his delayed-but-inevitable-death’s script right away after the trial 2005, if not during hearings.) This time Plan H turned into a twice critical necessity. You are not asking why, are you?

Since 2006 Mr. Jackson develops old groundwork, adds new features, ideas, allusions, creates the system of hoax-symbols and codes, leaves hidden messages for us (again), cherishing the hope that when the time comes we will decipher them. Ha, a boy may dream… Obviously, he prepares a lot of new music stuff. Almost forgot — in 2002-2006 he creates a few artistic aliases, probably considering the possibility of using Tupac/Makaveli’s experience. Those modest, ingenious musicians still can be found on the web, ‘undiscovered’, you know.)

The same was going on with his public image:  during those few years he creates the extremely dramatic, mysterious and contradictory picture  that still tortures you with questions ‘healthy or sick?’, ‘drug user or not?, ‘is it him or his double?’ and so on. That’s why you were asked not to believe neither what you see, nor what you hear from/about MJ. For all this is a part of his protracted ‘make believe’ campaign.  Needless to say he was creating this image not as much for his audience, as for his opponents in that poker chess game, who should have been misled and distracted. Plus, the death should look believable. As a result, Mr. Jackson has overdone  his loser-ish image a bit, so even the most advanced hoax-believers still believe he really was extremely exhausted. Ex-what? ; ]

Well, the date set for the ‘death’ was… let us guess… maybe  June 25, 2008? ;] Oh, it might be any other day and month, one way or another,  Mr. Jackson visualized a greatest  mass mental collapse! change in the world. But hardly he meant The Global Economic Crisis’ 2008. The Hoax was/is a multitask project and supposed to kill a few birds with one stone, and financial success was/is one of  those desirable targets. Sure, pushing a ‘start’ button in the midst of crisis (or having sensed its coming) wouldn’t have been a good idea. So Mr. Jackson, probably, was forced to postpone the day X once again.
AND THEN, FINALLY, JUNE 25, 2009.  HALLELUJAH!  THIS IS IT!

“I’m going to get them.
I’m going to shock the world, JUST WATCH.”
MJ to Teddy Riley, in late 2008
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‘It’s not working out, I’m better off dead.
I don’t have anywhere left to turn. I’m done.’
MJ, June 21, 2009


BAM! The event that — as it seems to some — happened out of the blue, cost Mr. Jackson almost a decade of waiting and preparing. Let us not get into details of that successful attempt #3 (?), you all know them too well. One thing is for sure:  the hoax wasn’t an emergency case and Mr. Jackson wasn’t forced to escape ‘death threats’ on the eve of his grand comeback-tour, as some believe — he tried to escape the danger (of being destroyed) years ago. From this point of view you can see: the danger was not abstract nor artistically exaggerated. And no, there wasn’t any ‘tour’, but there is still a grand comeback, or as some call it, a takeover.

So, 2002——->2009. That’s why sometimes we can not understand what The Director  really meant — there were too much years on tiptoe, too much ideas, allusions and riddles to put into the script, so MJ’s reality-hoax simply suffers from “The First Movie Syndrome”.) Hope, now you can appreciate how patient and enduring this man is. So stop complaining — it’s been just 999 days, no big deal. ;]

And yes… All those years he has been imprisoned within that huge, top-secret, lonely tower, built of necessary ugly lies designed to save and protect him. It’s obviously, that by his ‘death’ he destroyed a lot of obsolete relationships and conceptions, and probably this tower too. So now he is probably sitting among its rubble and wreckage  – The Man As He Really Is — awaiting to be… rescued? Understood?
At least to be discovered.
This hoax doesn’t last forever,  so tell us what are you waiting for..?

– Can you see him?
– I See Him
– I’m Alive
Yeah
Tupac ‘Hold Ya Head’
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NB:  Let us be clear: spoon-feeding the audience was not our plan, so we’re not about to give you exact names and places where you can get the missing pieces of that jigsaw. Ah, wait, why not? They are EVERYWHERE. They are and they have always been right there. As well as Mr. JAckson himself. This is YOUR Great Adventure,  this is YOUR quest, so search and you will find, knock, and the door will be opened. (love these biblical banalities, they always fit ; ) This blog is mainly for Mr. Jackson – if the door can’t be opened, somebody should just kick it out.  ; ]
………..
‘I can only say,there we have been: but I cannot say where.
And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.’
T. S. Eliot “Burnt Norton”
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* Special thank you to the people/characters who helped us to create this article:  Sophiemj from mjhellas.gr, SOTT, LTTW,  Bec, BACK, Front, BlackJack, FrenchBraid, JustDucky.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 05:03:50 AM by MJonmind »

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
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The Death Hoax, more likely, had been planned on 2003 and ‘Xscape’ leaked out on January 18, 2003 was a sign of its beginning. (The official statement from MJ’s team about the song’s leakage appeared on 18th of January — MLK day, is it a coincidence?) After the leakage Mr. Jackson ‘got furious/frustrated’ over Sony’s screw-up (mmm, really?)






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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
This is REALLY interesting! I haven't read that TNZ site for a long long time....but I went there today after reading this thread to have another look....and just today they have posted the archives of SOTT and LTTW from 2002. Here is a link: http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/sott-lttw-archive-2002/

It's long but very worthwhile reading.  I am totally engrossed in them. I had not heard of SOTT until last year and this is the 1st time I've managed to read a whole hunk of their archived posts (now I understand why there is all the toilet references in this hoax)

After reading these posts it makes me wonder what really the f*ck was going on with SONY back when TM was in charge?

What did MJ attempt to expose the1st time around which failed? Interestingly Enron is mentioned more than once in SOTT's posts (think back to the Enron scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal ) which was a huge corporate accounting fraud and bankruptcy scandal.

The Dixie Chicks are also mentioned (they were very outspoken against the 2003 invasion of Iraq and also announced at a London concert, 10 days prior to the Iraq invasion, that they were ashamed that G.W Bush came from Texas - their home state) The Dixie Chicks became involved in a dispute with their record label, SONY, regarding accounting procedures, alleging that in at least 30 cases Sony had used fraudulent accounting practices, underpaying them at least $4 million (£2.7m) in royalties on their albums over the previous three years ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks#2001.E2.80.9302:_Record_label_dispute_and_Home )

......missing royalty payments, audits, payments and fraudulent reporting, politics and legal complications, silver suits shaking.....it goes on and is really intriguing and enlightening.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 11:39:04 AM
@MJonline  :icon_mrgreen:, Paula and Adi....thanks for 'reviving' SOTT and LTTW.  Their posts were intriguing when I first read them and they get more intriguing as this adventure goes forward.  I'll be spending some time rereading them again today...it's been awhile.

With L.O.V.E. always.
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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
@MJonline  :icon_mrgreen:, Paula and Adi....thanks for 'reviving' SOTT and LTTW.  Their posts were intriguing when I first read them and they get more intriguing as this adventure goes forward.  I'll be spending some time rereading them again today...it's been awhile.

With L.O.V.E. always.


Thank you very much from me too  :bearhug:
Today great work for my vocabulary !!  :icon_lol:
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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
Very interesting indeed.

Some things might also help to form an opinion regarding the recent Sony ATV deal.

Still nibbling at that one... :icon_lol:
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It's just an illusion

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 06:45:45 PM
Thanks Paula and Adi for the additions. I'll read the SOTT link later.

Souza and Bec, if there hasn't been previous threads on SOTT or LTTW, perhaps this thread could go in the category where TIAI and Front and Back are. What are your thoughts on this?


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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Hey MJonmind, guys ... I can not even close my mouth after reading.
SOTT and LTTW. were members of the forum? never read anything about them, is new to me and I appreciate the post  :bearhug:

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 22, 2012, 10:41:46 PM
Thanks Paula and Adi for the additions. I'll read the SOTT link later.

Souza and Bec, if there hasn't been previous threads on SOTT or LTTW, perhaps this thread could go in the category where TIAI and Front and Back are. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks for bringing this topic back up. I have been going back to SOTT from time to time because I believe it's relevant to the hoax. But I'm not as good at connecting dots as some others. I'll take time to read the TNZ commentary - looks fascinating.

MJonmind - there were many discussions over SOTT, I remember in the old BACK thread I brought it up and in another thread it was brought up. I don't remember there being an actual thread for SOTT but if it means anything, I've love to see that happen.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 23, 2012, 12:35:26 AM
I have to say that I'm  :icon_e_confused: by the mention of Black Jack. That brought it down a notch for me. I also agree with someone above that June 25, 2009 was always the DOD hoax wise but it's planning has taken a long time.

However, SOTT, LTTW, BACK, Front and a few others are definitely pieces of bread left throughout the ages that over time mature and make more sense if read later rather than sooner.

Blessings

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 23, 2012, 05:31:15 AM
I got done reading all the SOTT and LTTW posts and though I vaguely remember some bits from way back on the Back thread, after 3 years here they make at least some sense hoax-wise, and I find them fascinating, especially if they are MJ.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 23, 2012, 06:32:57 AM
Thanks Paula and Adi for the additions. I'll read the SOTT link later.

Souza and Bec, if there hasn't been previous threads on SOTT or LTTW, perhaps this thread could go in the category where TIAI and Front and Back are. What are your thoughts on this?

I am not making another category for it. If it's likely that it's the same person as Back/Front, maybe you can move it to the Back/Front category?

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 23, 2012, 09:23:12 AM
HI
 This was a refreshing most interesting post! WOW yes this makes you think about what is going on at the moment with the family feud, Sony, AEG, Mijac and thats only a few could this be the distraction for the real truth that is all behind this! The books that are written have good points and information that needs to be taken seriously. When will the story unfold!

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 23, 2012, 12:11:30 PM
Okay Souza, I'll move it tonight, since I'm going out shortly for the day.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 03:12:44 AM
So SOTT's posts must have been made around the time of the Killer Thriller speech MJ made about SONY (June 15 2002). The timeline seems to fit.

MJ, being half owner of SONY/ATV Music Publishing, had responsibilities and from what I gather from SOTT's posts, MJ being responsible, moral, fair and honest might have found out something which had been going on within SONY and was trying to expose it.

In this speech it's interesting how he talks about they think his mind is only on music and performing etc but he out-thought them......parallels with SOTT's saying:

"Thinking that forever, this artist would not look
The suits never did dream,
That their own may burn the pages of history"

SOTT talks about unpaid royalty payments, audits, corruption, fraudulent reporting etc.......maybe MJ had his own accounting/law team do an audit and he found out stuff SONY didn't want him to?

Here is another angle of that speech which I have never seen before - it's closer to the front and better quality. I love this speech by Michael.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfG-V7tE_bI&feature=related[/youtube]

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 04:58:01 AM
I totally agree with you Adi! I was hearing this speech in SOTT's words too, after we've been re-examining the events happening around 7/7/02 and the Will, etc.
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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 07:35:02 AM
I totally agree with you Adi! I was hearing this speech in SOTT's words too, after we've been re-examining the events happening around 7/7/02 and the Will, etc.
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Me too!  :icon_e_biggrin:

......don't you love the layers of the enchilada  :beerchug:

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 12:22:41 PM
I have to say that I'm  :icon_e_confused: by the mention of Black Jack. That brought it down a notch for me. I also agree with someone above that June 25, 2009 was always the DOD hoax wise but it's planning has taken a long time.

However, SOTT, LTTW, BACK, Front and a few others are definitely pieces of bread left throughout the ages that over time mature and make more sense if read later rather than sooner.

Blessings

Excuse my ignorance as I just today came upon the TMZ site, but why would a connection to Black Jack bring it down a notch?  Who is he/she?

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 12:32:37 PM
I think BlackJack was only mentioned by TNZ in their own posts.....I don't think BJ was ever mentioned within the SOTT/LTTW archives posted on the TNZ site.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
I think BlackJack was only mentioned by TNZ in their own posts.....I don't think BJ was ever mentioned within the SOTT/LTTW archives posted on the TNZ site.

Thanks.  But that doesn't explain why it would bring it down a notch.  Sorry, just trying to assess the validity of the TNZ site and that comment stood out like a red flag.  Are they not reliable?  Does her/his association with TNZ poison the well, so to speak?

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 24, 2012, 02:21:09 PM
We think from past actions that Blackjack may have been a troll. The main example for me was his/her post saying the forum would crash, and it did an hour or so later. TNZ is just a Russian fan site, no more no less, but they as other sites might have something to contribute.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 27, 2012, 08:21:22 AM
Assuming those posts of SOTT posted by TNZ are real - I've noticed at some point SOTT uses a German word..and right after an italian or Spanish one.
I quote: "....and your background knowledge is zilch. Zero. Not even uno."
Front also did this sometimes, and also Back.
I remember Front: Bis zum ende.
And Back : capisce?
Maybe they all are one and the same person...meaning our beloved weird Mick Jack...or they are different and just copied each other's style.
Don't know for sure.
Also, many similar English words come across their post, like "riddle" for example. I'm sure you've all noticed that already.

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 27, 2012, 08:25:47 AM
"the man behind the Toilet" lol
reminds me of the man behind the mask.

Michael you are a funny guy :D
edit: yet I don't think SOTT is MJ because he kind of says he isn't. (indirectly)
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 08:27:34 AM by GINAFELICIA »

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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 27, 2012, 09:25:19 AM
A lot of Americans use "Spanglish", this is, incorporate Spanish words into their vocabulary.

"Zilch" is also pretty commonly used in America as an emphasis on none/nothing. We use "nada" the same way. "Zilch, zip, zero, nada" = nothing, no way, never.
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Re: SOTT & LTTW quotes (from TNZ)

  • on: August 27, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
A lot of Americans use "Spanglish", this is, incorporate Spanish words into their vocabulary.

"Zilch" is also pretty commonly used in America as an emphasis on none/nothing. We use "nada" the same way. "Zilch, zip, zero, nada" = nothing, no way, never.
hmm...too bad. So it might mean nothing after all.
I think "uno" is from Italian though...I'm not sure

 

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