Debunked Clues

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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: April 23, 2011, 10:19:42 PM
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In the US, if the call is made on a landline, the address comes up in the database.  However if it’s made from a cellular phone that has not been registered with emergency services, they do ask.  They can tell the proximity from the signals given off from the nearest tower, but the exact address usually requires being registered first.

Do you mean that it is a reason why Beverly Hills Hotel address which is on Sunset and very close to Carolwood could have appeared on the ambul. display?
 Could be YES & NO. We can not say for sure that the reason hotel address is on the screen solely because the hotel caught cell phone signals, it is also possible call was actually made from hotel. Hotel is close to Carolwood but cannot be the only the nearest source of signals. If any residential house on the same Carolwood dr. has satellite TV antenna, it could also caught cell phone signals during the call. I am sure there are many neighbors use satellite TV.
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 01, 2011, 06:01:02 PM
Bump!

Should the new website be included? Maybe the Oprah related clues?
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 07, 2011, 12:11:48 PM
Hi, newbie here :-) Better late than never :)

And my first post is to debunk something LOL ( I am a 50/50 beLIEver ) But I am open to anything, and of course I WANT him to be ALIVE!

I read, this is old "news", that on another MJ site, dont remember which one, but she wrote that a statement from the court that Kenny Ortega had said that Michael's last words to him was, Tomorrow the Illusion begins. (something like that)

this was in 2009 i think.

I found several articles where he had been interviewed and here are 2 links to 2 different sites:

http://http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1932162,00.html - Time Magazine
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http://http://movies.about.com/od/michaeljacksonthisisit/a/kenny-ortega.htm - Movies

They were working on a big illusion that was going to be in the show, and the illusion would start tomorrow and Michael was very excited about it.

I have to say that for me it clearly states that he was excited to come back and start with the illusion that was going to be on the show.

And this place where I read this statement was made in open court or a hearing. I think that woman who wrote, that she was there etc was a fake. But I honestly don't remember. I have beel watching and reading so much about this now so my head is spinning LOL
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 08, 2011, 06:27:15 PM
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Hi, newbie here :-) Better late than never :)

And my first post is to debunk something LOL ( I am a 50/50 beLIEver ) But I am open to anything, and of course I WANT him to be ALIVE!
I read, this is old "news", that on another MJ site, dont remember which one, but she wrote that a statement from the court that Kenny Ortega had said that Michael's last words to him was, Tomorrow the Illusion begins. (something like that)

I found several articles where he had been interviewed and here are 2 links to 2 different sites:

http://http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1932162,00.html - Time Magazine
and
http://http://movies.about.com/od/michaeljacksonthisisit/a/kenny-ortega.htm - Movies

They were working on a big illusion that was going to be in the show, and the illusion would start tomorrow and Michael was very excited about it.
I have to say that for me it clearly states that he was excited to come back and start with the illusion that was going to be on the show.

Welcome. Maybe or maybe not. Rule No1- DON'T BELIEVE IN EVERYTHING YOU READ OR WATCH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SEEN OR HEARD THAT FROM MICHAEL'S OR SOMEONE'S OWN MOUTH. Media is the most untrustworthy source on the earth. Does not mean absolute trash but 96%.....way too much; exaggerating facts, twisting, making up, and alike.
For example: Michael said himself in TII that he will be back "on his own time", I believe in hoax based on that.. Or, Jermain slip ups we have videos about and his rather than doctor's announcement of MJ's "death" that is very weird and unbelievable, those are more trustworthy clues.Therefore I believe that this is rather a hoax than not. We don't know if MJ really said about illusion or if he did, how you can be sure he did not mean a hoax, just because of Time Magazine? No way.
Sorry, your debunk is very weak. :)
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 04:25:02 AM
Very true hehe, but the other one who wrote that he said_ The illusion starts Tomorrow" was on another hoax site or website and she wrote he said this in a statement (in court I am guessing) she wrote the one who took the statement was a (judge) Twiggy.

I am sorry but I dont remember 100% and I cant find that site I read it again :( but it just sounded weird.

I am 50/50 on that story, I just wanted to let ya'll know that that statement had been used in other content aswell.

Yeah I have heard MJ in some of his interviews and pressconferences from 2002 and up to 2009 making weird statements... Just like the one you wrote above. It get you thinkin :P
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 05:38:54 AM
Is there any court transcript at Los Angeles Superior Court website  of Kenny talking about THE ILLUSION or was it just reported by someone and passed away on the internet? and more important, is the person who reported a believer :) ?
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 06:30:35 AM
@heartphantom - I hope this helps about Kenny's testimony
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/201 ... rt-ii.html
Plus there is a great deal of information on the forum here about  the pre-lim trial
viewforum.php?f=217
and this is from Twiggy's blog
http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/2011/01/ ... lk-of.html
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 09:35:57 AM
a few things that stuck in my mind reading that were:

- It was on MJ's request to film the rehersals!
- MJ seemed to be in a happy energetic mood the day prior to his death.

Sure he might not have known he would be killed the next day...

And the part where there were one day MJ not seemed to be present (he was there but acted weird) sounds like a typicle version of, being extremly high (drugs) and then when the high sets off, lowers down, you tend to drift away, not being present. But it could just as easily him having alot on his mind, alot to think about.
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 10:57:37 AM
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@heartphantom - I hope this helps about Kenny's testimony
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/201 ... rt-ii.html
Plus there is a great deal of information on the forum here about  the pre-lim trial
viewforum.php?f=217
and this is from Twiggy's blog
http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/2011/01/ ... lk-of.html

Hi Finfin, thank you for the links and for your time, but what i meant ws was there any official release of court transcripts, not form blogs or reports from other people, from official sources i mean. Because if there are not i can't take the 'ILLUSION part for real. Remmebre, just because you see it in the print...doesn't make it factual
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 09, 2011, 02:10:01 PM
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And the part where there were one day MJ not seemed to be present (he was there but acted weird) sounds like a typicle version of, being extremly high (drugs) and then when the high sets off, lowers down, you tend to drift away, not being present. But it could just as easily him having alot on his mind, alot to think about.


I see you have misunderstanding of DRUGs Michael supposedly was taking. Those drugs are NOT CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE like cocaine, marijuana, crack, etc., we are talking about PRESCRIBED MEDICATIONs here that also called DRUG; such as pain killers, for insomnia, perhaps anti-anxiety medications = drugs. THESE  HAVE ADDICTIVE FEATURE, but  they make person  weak, sleepy, relaxed, dizzy, but NOT "HIGH".
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 27, 2011, 01:43:23 PM
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: June 27, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
Hello newbie & welcome. Looks like some latino dude copied and pasted pages from this site.
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Re: Debunked Clues

  • on: July 23, 2012, 12:20:39 PM
Bump, still relevant I think.