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To my knowledge, no one who believes that Michael died sees the things that we see, or if they see them they dismiss them as being irrelevant. So for those reasons, I don't see a big threat from people discovering anything. I believe that Michael planned to escape so to speak for many years. I just think that near June 25 some things happened unforeseen that made his exiting become more serious. Monsters come out of nowhere sometimes.
So, then the estate is just rambling and telling lies about clearing up debt? Is this the theory? If so then I am thoroughly confused about all the kudos here for the estate at every milestone they report.
wasnt there also suggestions that they wouldnt have got the stage and equip to london on time? and the obvious, why practice in staples, if doing it in london.
Excellent synopsis, Aussie.Quotewasnt there also suggestions that they wouldnt have got the stage and equip to london on time? and the obvious, why practice in staples, if doing it in london.Yes, I don't recall the exact dates but if they had the Staples booked through 7/7, which conveniently allowed the memorial to be held there, and the first show was scheduled for the 14th in London, when exactly did they plan to knock everything down, ship to London, set up, and still have enough time to rehearse on location prior to opening night? No time, not feasible, too tight a window. What if some part of the stage or props were damaged in transit? What would they do then? I don't think any professional in the entertainment field would set themselves up for such potential disaster with so much on the line.
Neither the costumes nor the dancers nor the stage were ready for London in June 2009.The proposed tour plan did not fit the real events at O2.Madonna's 'STICKY & SWEET TOUR' concerts were scheduled on July 4 and 5 and Michael's tour was scheduled to start on July 8 (later postponed to July 13: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). It took 3 days to get Madonna's stage up (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) and 2 days to get the stage down.Nine Inch Nails were scheduled at O2 on July 15.Michael was scheduled on July 16.Can we assume that Michael would have had a stage smaller than Madonna's or that he would have authorized to have Nine Inch Nails use his MJ stage for not to have to take it down and put it up again over night?[...]London concerts were never meant to be.
The secondary line of questions begged from this direction of thought is this; why set up such an elaborate set in LA in the first place if you're preparing to do a concert series in London? Why wait til the very last minute before moving to location? And further down this road of logic, why did MJ come back to LA anyway? It's not like he had such good memories of the area, it's not like he had his own home there. It's not as though he had been treated SO WELL in the US all those years. Why in the world did MJ even return to the States much less LA county at ALL? He had been living (presumably) happily and peacefully in Ireland post-2005, then ends up with an alleged deal for a concert series in London... I fail to see the reasoning to return to the US much less LA for any reason just to jettison off across the pond again, on some break neck, down-to-the-wire schedule no less.
[...]We all saw the way Michael spent his money in the horrible "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary with Bashir. BUT, I don't blame the debt on Michael. [...]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login@ bec completely agree with your last post. there is such a thing as good and bad debt, ie negative gearing etc. asset value exceeding debt amount etc. and yes sometimes difficult for us small fries to comprehend.Yep agree. When I said that I don't ever believe MJ was in debt I mean the type of bullsh*t debt those hideous tabloid vultures tried to portray him as having....you know the type where they said he was worried he would have to work at McDonald's to support his children because his debt was so great.... :icon_lol: :WTF: Believing that and writing about it here is perpetuating the bullsh*t.......add to that the MJ is a druggie BS as well.As for professional business debt, yes he may well have been in that type of debt in order to provide funds for other purposes or investments etc...I totally get that, it happens all the time in business.
@ bec completely agree with your last post. there is such a thing as good and bad debt, ie negative gearing etc. asset value exceeding debt amount etc. and yes sometimes difficult for us small fries to comprehend.
@Iwanyouback - I totally agree with you re; something going wrong (threatened) forcing the hoax to begin sooner than planned. I've voiced that same sentiment many times during this hoax and for the most part I still have that fear in the back of my mind. Though it might be totally wrong, it's what started me on this journey and it continues to haunt my every thought about it.
[...]I believe that Michael planned to escape so to speak for many years. I just think that near June 25 some things happened unforeseen that made his exiting become more serious. Monsters come out of nowhere sometimes.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]We all saw the way Michael spent his money in the horrible "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary with Bashir. BUT, I don't blame the debt on Michael. [...]JMO that documentary is a hoax in itself. I think Michael was acting BIIG time in that doco and leaving clues behind...
[. . . ]Let me clarify better what I mean when I say his life was in danger. When Michael was approached to do the 0-2 Arena concerts, I do believe that he intended to do the 10 shows. I really do. But I also think that he had a change of heart when they kept upping his commitment until it reached 50. Somewhere I read that he agreed finally to 31. If he did, I don’t think he did so cheerfully. However, in view of him having spoken on more than one occasion of someone or a few someones out to harm him, something occurred to me during this time that made me feel uneasy. During the time of all this planning for him to take up residence in London and do all these shows with millions of people in attendance, there was a pandemic outbreak of influenza being reported in London. They were in the middle of taking precautions to keep people away from crowded places where the germs could easily be carried and Michael whose immune system was already compromised, fit right smack in the middle of those more susceptible to acquiring this virus. Then the matter of the insurance policies with the clause specific to “if he dies during the contract” blah, blah, blah. Well hell, if it were me my first thought would be then why are you insisting that I go to live right in the heart of an outbreak of a pandemic that is relevant as we speak, when every one else is preparing to stay away' and not only are you adding shows but insuring me to the max should I “die” in the process? :icon_e_confused: I would wonder now, is this how you plan to get rid of me? Why are we not talking cancellation until further notice like after this thing or the threat of it has subsided? The first case of the Avian flu in London was reported on April 30 2009. By June 5, there were over 100 confirmed cases and on June 11 WHO signaled that the first pandemic of the 21st century was underway. People were being advised to keep children home from school and for others who were most vulnerable to stay away from large gatherings. large gatherings :WTF: How much larger a gathering could there be than a Michael Jackson concert times 50? One of the key mechanisms of communication used in London was the NHS London Noon Brief. This was first issued at 12.00 noon on 25 April 2009 as a simple, black and white Word document, to local NHS flu leads. Over the following weeks and months it evolved into a structured daily command and control document where new information and actions were clearly identified and the audience swelled to over 700 people across the NHS in London, partner organisations and wider stakeholders. Yet there was no slowing down or altering of any plans for Michael to go there with his children and live and breathe for months :icon_evil: No one can convince me that the event planners didn’t know the danger associated with having Michael go to London during this crisis. And from what we’ve been told, some were mean to him and strong arming him which further exacerbates someone’s fear. Well mine anyway. There was mention that the footage used in This Is It was footage from rehearsals over the 3 days prior to June 25th. I have always believed that the practice held at the Staples Center on June 22nd was the big one; the one attended by security and other unidentified onlookers. This was reported by one of the This Is It dancers. AEG apparently was not willing to lose their money and would not release Michael from his commitment regardless of the threat that loomed in London. So he was packed I’ve heard and ready to roll. Well he rolled all right, :smiley-vault-misc-150: and the rest is History - past, present, and future.I don’t have any proof of what or how Michael thought or felt. I’m basing all of this on what seems to me the natural thought process if it were me and I had felt threatened. Would I try to get out of it by any means necessary. Damn right I would. Don’t know if I’d have enough clout or money to fake my death but I know I could fake crazy :icon_lol: and they would be taking me out in a strait jacket.I believe that not only was Michael concerned about his own health and well being, but also all those people, his beloved fans who would put themselves and their lives at risk just to see him. I don’t see him allowing that to happen. I believe that once this became a known pandemic, he decided to make his This Is It 0-2 Arena practice into This Is It the world renowned critically acclaimed masterpiece that it turned out to be. No one had to risk life or well being to see it. He gave it to us as a gift. So the hoax began a little early. I think... :icon_geek: [....]
Now you can call me crazy, delusional, or what ever fits :LolLolLolLol: it’s okay. I’ve been called worse since I became a hoax investigator for this Michael Jackson Death Hoax. I’ve put on my rhinoceros skin and I can take it. So bring it on :michael_jackson-1135:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]We all saw the way Michael spent his money in the horrible "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary with Bashir. BUT, I don't blame the debt on Michael. [...]JMO that documentary is a hoax in itself. I think Michael was acting BIIG time in that doco and leaving clues behind...Off topic, (sorry), but what do you make of the part where MJ was feeding baby Blanket? Acting then also? To what end? He looked like a nervous, clumsy, first-timer. That part always did, and still does, make me feel really uncomfortable.
...... Michael KNEW how to hold a baby! He knew how to feed and change them.Blanket wasn't his first child anyway! He had Prince and Paris and we all see the videos where he holds them or feeds them... etc...
i personally believe he actually never intended to do the concerts. (again JMO, and i could also be wrong) rather, just act like it was going to go ahead.
re bam: just curious as it is kinda hard to keep track of what everyone believes. re: Front and TS - are you follower / believer? again, not judging, just curious. because there is obviously many occasions where both (or perhaps they are one and the same) promise a bam. even putting those two aside if you are not a follower / believer, what are your thoughts on family members illuding to a bam, Jermaine, Latoya, Paris, etc.
regarding endangerment: i believe it was always prudent of MJ to be concerned about his safety. anyone of that stature / profile, would be wise to protect their safety with body guards, high security, doubles, security teams at school around house, etc. (and sadly, mostly from fans!) look at what happened to Diana, John Lennon, MLK, etc. i get what you are saying about this, trust me. but i just dont believe that this was the case around time of 'death' because he was doing other things that were not conservative if his life was really threatened at this point, such as, being photographed leaving a 'public' hospital, on 'chase' with TMZ, 'public' press conference, going too and from staples in car trips, etc, fans 'knew his routine' from carolwood to staples every night. these don't appear to be actions of someone threatened at that point in time.