Michael Jackson Estate Clears MJ's Massive Debt ... Almost

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Offline Chicana

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for some strange reason, i think that he planned to fake his death to help pay for those debts that he  had to boost his record sells because he knew that if he did that, people would buy his music.and he's planning to make a comeback to show that he's alive and well, and that he wants to continue his career and probably start making movies as well. so the dates of the comeback are probably part of the plan that he's going to come back when he believes that all of his debts have been paid off and that he gets better with his "drug addiction problem".
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"Michael Jackson's estate has made a fortune since the singer's death -- so much in fact ... it's nearly paid off $500 million in debt the King of Pop left behind when he died.

...that will be fully paid off by the end of the year..."

What if...by the end of the year all is cleared up and...and...BAM?

It does seem convenient that the time frame on the "debts" being cleared and the wrap up the hoax just so happen to coincide.

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Oh This is awesome I am so happy I love this thread thanks MaryK and thanks to all the members posting on here, you are making me so happy when I read your so positive posts I am feeling so good about this news that I would feel like flying , I love you Michael and I love you all guys thank you for making my day

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the picture is from the 2005 trial guys. 25M more! Bad25 should close it!

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for some strange reason, i think that he planned to fake his death to help pay for those debts that he  had to boost his record sells because he knew that if he did that, people would buy his music.and he's planning to make a comeback to show that he's alive and well, and that he wants to continue his career and probably start making movies as well. so the dates of the comeback are probably part of the plan that he's going to come back when he believes that all of his debts have been paid off and that he gets better with his "drug addiction problem".

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i dont think there will ever be a 'come back' and hate that phase because he never really faded away in order for him to need to make a come back. MJ was as strong as ever when he 'died' - this is not a come back, this is a take over.

yes financial benefits have definitely increased the estates wealth, but do not think this is the reason behind death hoax. simply a welcomed and well planned by product of a 'legend dying'. the reason 'why' is more deeper that this and is less about money and more about humanity and justice. 

if MJ needed money, he would have toured with TII all around the world and made a huge packet. Look at London. 50 sold out shows.

regarding the movies... if you look closely at several movies mentioned throughout this forum, you might find MJ is already working in movies. perhaps not physically directing, but certainly influencing them with his creativity. too many coincidences and too MJ-ish for him not to already be involved on that scene...

re: the drug addict comment. perhaps i am reading your post wrong. so not going to comment before I understand what you mean properly. are you suggesting he needed this time away to recover from drug issues?
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Welcome FinalCurtain - and thank you for your comment!  Yes, BAD25 should clear it up quite nicely :) Michael is brilliant!!

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Welcome Final Curtain  :bearhug:
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the picture is from the 2005 trial guys. 25M more! Bad25 should close it!

Yep - pretty sure BAD25 will make a massive packet of $$$.

Although I don't believe he was ever in "real" debt ever....it's a story made up for hoax purposes.....just like the cr*p about being a pain killer/propofol addict was made up for the hoax.
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Yeah just like all of us are in debt. Man if someone put a dollar sign on it, it could get scary. Mortgage alone.
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Grace,
Once again, I really love your take on debt; and when you look at that definition, both pictures of Michael end of being in "debt" are true--  I find this hoax is teaching me all kinds of things about persevering with seeming dualities until they disappear in one encompassing truth, and your comments about debt did it for me..... :bearhug: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv:

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Sim - thank you for sharing those videos...for whatever reason I can't view the second one but the first one was great.

There is another video out there that talks about Michael's worth and it's phenomenal. It talks about Michael's ownership of high end resorts in Africa too. I would be willing to bet that Michael owns more property and has vested interests around the world than anybody every thought possible. What has always stumped me is why he would stay in motels, etc., when he had property around the world?

He's far more private about his business and while the media was so intent on exploiting his Beatles catalog and Neverland he was quietly diversifying. JMO. Maybe I'm too hopeful but I have never seen Michael a poor and desperate man.

Regarding his lips - I see letters too but can't make them out. To me it two of them looks like an L and an R.

That article is interesting because of the "7"s. Maybe I'm not counting this correctly because I still don't quite understand it but here goes and someone can correct me kindly.
(34, 700) 3+4+7=14 (7+7)
205,041 (2+5+4+1=12) (1+2=3)
2011 (2+1+1=4)
777  :smiley-vault-misc-150:

hesouttamylife - great post - thanks for sharing :)

Blessings

Yay - the smileyes came back and I didn't change any settings on my computer. Strange. I'm not big on smilieys but sometimes they are good for making a statement  :bowdown:

I'm sorry the second link doesn't work for you..
try again with this one, it's down the page: Thriller 2 The Nightmare Begins Michael Jackson - YouTube
unless it's restricted in your country for copy right claims...


Do you have a link for that video you described? pls.

About your numerology calculations... interesting.... another set of 3 Sevens
Can you give me the exact quote ...I don't find those numbers... My eyes are tired...

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for some strange reason, i think that he planned to fake his death to help pay for those debts that he  had to boost his record sells because he knew that if he did that, people would buy his music.and he's planning to make a comeback to show that he's alive and well, and that he wants to continue his career and probably start making movies as well. so the dates of the comeback are probably part of the plan that he's going to come back when he believes that all of his debts have been paid off and that he gets better with his "drug addiction problem".

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i dont think there will ever be a 'come back' and hate that phase because he never really faded away in order for him to need to make a come back. MJ was as strong as ever when he 'died' - this is not a come back, this is a take over.

yes financial benefits have definitely increased the estates wealth, but do not think this is the reason behind death hoax. simply a welcomed and well planned by product of a 'legend dying'. the reason 'why' is more deeper that this and is less about money and more about humanity and justice. 

if MJ needed money, he would have toured with TII all around the world and made a huge packet. Look at London. 50 sold out shows.

regarding the movies... if you look closely at several movies mentioned throughout this forum, you might find MJ is already working in movies. perhaps not physically directing, but certainly influencing them with his creativity. too many coincidences and too MJ-ish for him not to already be involved on that scene...

re: the drug addict comment. perhaps i am reading your post wrong. so not going to comment before I understand what you mean properly. are you suggesting he needed this time away to recover from drug issues?

.. :icon_arrow: i said comeback because jermaine said that he is the comeback king. and as far as the "financial" thing, i think that it's a part of it. i've looked at videos concerning his debt situation and how deeply  in debt he was and how people were "trying to, or "were controlling his life". and the movies thing, yes, i know people have said that he's doing movies behind the scenes in different movies such as Megamind and Frankenweenie, and things in the movies seem really "michael-like" or whatever. what i'm saying, is instead of being behind the scenes, when he makes himself "not dead" anymore, he'll be able to freely direct films with his name as the movie director on the movies.
and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs.
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I hope he still has a cool $25 million left over to buy his dream home before BAM....Apparently, it is still for sale!!!  And the price has been lowered to $16.5 Million....No-one has bought it yet....Maybe it is on hold for the king!!!

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Thanks guys, I didn't realize it was my first post - I've been reading here for months now. I too don't believe the debt story or the amount of it.

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sorry chicana, i disagree. completely.

a) i dont think he was in the debt that everyone thought he was in.

b) i disagee that 'people controlled his life' as he is incredibly powerful and calls the shots. Michael Jackson knows how to be Michael Jackson!

c) regarding this:

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and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs.


i personally don't put a lot of weight to what is written about MJ and concerning hypertheical drug use. and if and i say IF it were true, then its really NONE of our business.
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and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs.

Assumption and hearsay....

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If Michael wasn’t in debt then what is the estate clearing up for 3 years?

I find it a great possibility that the people he had handling his finances and cutting deals became star struck and were not doing what they were hired to do losing sight of their job responsibilities and even dipping in and taking large slices of the pie for themselves.  I believe they became jaded and just damn greedy.  When I read about how deals were being made under the table and the fees his own people attached for providing services for these farces I can see how his debt could have become insurmountable without even his knowledge.  The fees that his own people were attaching were stupendous  :icon_eek:  They saw money, probably more than they’d ever seen in their lives and seemingly lost all traces of honesty.

I do believe that Michael had sky high debt, not of his making even, but he wasn’t destitute.  He only needed someone, apparently Branca, to go at it from a professional stance and tackle it head on and get rid of it and re-allign his finances to his benefit rather than the benefit of the hangers on.  Now that that he has someone who is working out the mess others made by providing organization, structure and planning and really paying bills and making good sound financial decisions, Michael’s empire is growing and I believe it will continue to earn steadily.  His children and the generations to follow them will have more than enough for as long as they live.  Michael just did good business & TeamBranca has once again proven that to the nay sayers and the idiots who thought he had fallen and could not get up.  Go Michael :beerchug:
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If Michael wasn’t in debt then what is the estate clearing up for 3 years?

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This is what I meant when I said that there must be some sort of strategy involved to doing it this way.  Legal reasons.  Like Michael's way of continuing to do business after "death" or funding the hoax and those involved or something. 

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I agree Andrea.  Michael was an artist, first where business is concerned.  He hired people to handle the other aspects of the business under the assumption that when people are paid for their services, they deliver the goods.  Paying bills and making “sound” decisions were left up to those people.  They just weren’t the right fit.  Their loyalty didn’t match his.  We can be assured that Branca saw through all the bull and knew obviously what Michael’s “business people" had been up to.  He had done Michael proud before so I can see Michael going back to one whose reputation, dedication and action had been proven beyond any doubt, to pull things back together, get them back in order.  And dammit he has done what many said could not be done.  However, we knew better  :animal0017:  Michael as NEVER failed at anything.  What made people think he would do it now?  It simply amazes me.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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I'm not convinced about the estate managers. I believe they have been clever; in the past and currently... but I believe they have been necessary for what they are able to do; make money for the estate, which lines their pockets. So both MJ's and their interests are currently being served. But that just be a matter of tIME before uselfulness runs out....

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sorry chicana, i disagree. completely.

a) i dont think he was in the debt that everyone thought he was in.

b) i disagee that 'people controlled his life' as he is incredibly powerful and calls the shots. Michael Jackson knows how to be Michael Jackson!

c) regarding this:

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and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs.


i personally don't put a lot of weight to what is written about MJ and concerning hypertheical drug use. and if and i say IF it were true, then its really NONE of our business.

you're not disagreeing with me,  :icon_arrow: i think you're disagreeing with the people who made these videos. because i'm not the one that posted these videos up. what i've said is strictly based on everything that i've watched. and sure, maybe he wasn't in debt (just maybe), because we don't know what was going on for sure. michael planned his "death" for a reason, you don't just plan a death for no reason at all. there has to be something behind it. there's a video on youtube with a woman who was saying that he was afraid for his life. it was because of some guy that he thinks that was in the italian mafia, mr. tounche or whatever that guy's name is. the tapings might be old, but they seem like they could be a part of the hoax, which is why the audios have been used on those hoax videos. so..why if he was so powerful..why would he say that he was feeling afraid for his life and his children?why think of wanting to get a different bank account? and i'm not the one posting that he was a drug user on videos. others have posted videos of other people that have worked with michael, or have associated with him/ whatever have said that he had a drug addiction problem. so i wouldn't put it past me. doesn't matter if it's none of our business, this are things that people have added into their videos. so i really don't know why you're pointing the finger at me, when i'm just going by what i've observed and heard. they're posting this stuff. if you have a disagreement with anyone, it should be them. i just look at these things and think MAYBE it's true, i never once said that it was true.

maybe you're thinking oh.. well you should research for yourself, but i personally, don't have the time. i watch videos when i have time and i don't have much time to research. i'm working nowadays and most of my time is focused on doing just that now. so if i'm posting something up on here it's usually about something that i've seen on youtube.
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I'm not convinced about the estate managers. I believe they have been clever; in the past and currently... but I believe they have been necessary for what they are able to do; make money for the estate, which lines their pockets. So both MJ's and their interests are currently being served. But that just be a matter of tIME before uselfulness runs out....

I have certainly had my issues with the estate over the years.  But now, I’m a bit at peace with them.  For what they have done, they deserve to be paid handsomely.  It’s the others who used Michael’s trusting nature to get over on him that I have problems with. Some of the need to be sued in court for return of monies received under false pretenses. It has taken me a long time to get here and I hope that I am not seeing things through jaded eyes now.  I am still watching, however; and I only hope that their loyalty to the tasks at hand will not prove to be just another fallacy. 
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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If Michael wasn’t in debt then what is the estate clearing up for 3 years?

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This is what I meant when I said that there must be some sort of strategy involved to doing it this way.  Legal reasons.  Like Michael's way of continuing to do business after "death" or funding the hoax and those involved or something.


Another way to keep talking about him.... :ghsdf: .....the film continues.... :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :michael-jackson: :icon_e_wink:
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sorry chicana, i disagree. completely.

a) i dont think he was in the debt that everyone thought he was in.

b) i disagee that 'people controlled his life' as he is incredibly powerful and calls the shots. Michael Jackson knows how to be Michael Jackson!

c) regarding this:

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and as far as the "drug addiction" comment, i'm talking about what i've seen on different videos. people have said that he had a drug addiction problem, how he's used different aliases to get drugs.


i personally don't put a lot of weight to what is written about MJ and concerning hypertheical drug use. and if and i say IF it were true, then its really NONE of our business.

you're not disagreeing with me,  :icon_arrow: i think you're disagreeing with the people who made these videos. because i'm not the one that posted these videos up.


aware that you didnt 'make' the videos. there are 100's of videos on YT that claim "the truth" when it comes to MJ, even some that are made by believers that are probably incorrect. video makers dont know entire truth. only MJ does.


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he said is strictly based on everything that i've watched. and sure, maybe he wasn't in debt (just maybe), because we don't know what was going on for sure. michael planned his "death" for a reason, you don't just plan a death for no reason at all. there has to be something behind it.

money isnt the reason for the hoax.


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there's a video on youtube with a woman who was saying that he was afraid for his life. it was because of some guy that he thinks that was in the italian mafia, mr. tounche or whatever that guy's name is. the tapings might be old, but they seem like they could be a part of the hoax, which is why the audios have been used on those hoax videos.

refer to tabloid junkie...

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so..why if he was so powerful..why would he say that he was feeling afraid for his life and his children?

possible. it is possible he was afraid for his children. any celebrity of that stature would want to protect their children and ensure their security. but also just remember too, that not everything that comes out of MJs mouth is true. He plays the game too.

also, regarding powerful, have you ever seen some of the people MJ is friends with or has been associated with??

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why think of wanting to get a different bank account?

if i had copious amounts of cash i'd be opening up swiss accounts too. many people with loads of $$ do it. also he may have been preparing and organising his fincances pre-death hoax. so that money is accessible after "death"

also as mentioned in the other conversations that are happening on this thread right now, some of his money handlers were dodgy. MJ had to clean it up and get control.


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and i'm not the one posting that he was a drug user on videos. others have posted videos of other people that have worked with michael, or have associated with him/ whatever have said that he had a drug addiction problem. so i wouldn't put it past me.

chicana, a lot of people on the net claim to know michael, hell some even claim to BE michael. there are a lot of false claims of truth out there. example, there are videos out there that claim 'proof' that MJ was a pedo! (disgusting i know!  :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:)

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doesn't matter if it's none of our business, this are things that people have added into their videos. so i really don't know why you're pointing the finger at me, when i'm just going by what i've observed and heard. they're posting this stuff. if you have a disagreement with anyone, it should be them. i just look at these things and think MAYBE it's true, i never once said that it was true.


i PROMISE you that i am not pointing the finger at you, i am encouraging you to be open to the idea that people who make the videos might not know completely what they are talking about. i dont have a disagreement with the people who make the videos as they have a right to their freedom of speech and i dont have a disagrement with you personally. i just believe there is more to the debt thing, i believe he is and was in control, and i dont believe he was a drug addict at time of 'death'

michael was always concerned about his health and body and treated it like a temple, especially as one gets older this becomes extremely important. he has had pain killer addictions in the past, but MJ wasnt the drug addict we read about in the tabs! remember this is a man who wants to live forever.

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maybe you're thinking oh.. well you should research for yourself, but i personally, don't have the time. i watch videos when i have time and i don't have much time to research. i'm working nowadays and most of my time is focused on doing just that now. so if i'm posting something up on here it's usually about something that i've seen on youtube.

i understand what you mean about time being a precious commodity, i too am incredibly busy these days. so not reasearching is one thing, and i get it. but believing or accepting information based on what is on YT because its quick and easy is a one way ticket to being fed lies about MJ or anyone else for that matter. YT is an incredibly unreliable source. unfortunately for truth research is key and so is openmindedness.


again not attacking you, dont have issue with you, not disprespecting you or anything like that, its simply how i feel about the statements and opinions in your post which i am responding to with my opinion.

lets get this clear straight up, so there is no negitive emotion inferred to this. this back and forth isnt a fight, argument, or anything negative. its a positive exchange of opinions a mere conversation.

i respect your right to opinion, i just happen to disagree with it.

peace

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Healthy Debate :)
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Trust in God
The righteous will prevail

 

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