Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 03:05:38 AM
So now he's playing a word of the day game with other inmates?? I thought he was supposed to be kept away from other inmates :suspect: Did that change? Maybe I missed something  :animal0017:

Yes it did change, because in November he was a "keep away prisoner" in the medical ward. Probably only while he was being processed.

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Dr. Conrad Murray is currently being held in the medical ward at the L.A. County Men's Central Jail -- but it's NOT because there's anything wrong with him ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement tells us ... Murray has been assigned to the medical ward while he's being processed -- as opposed to the regular holding area.

We're told the medical ward has a "higher density of deputies" -- which means it's easier for officers to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner like Murray when he's in the M.W.

As we previously reported, Murray has been deemed a "keep away prisoner" -- which means officials must keep an eye on the doc at all times, as a matter of his own protection.

There are several reports that Murray is on suicide watch -- but officials at the jail tell us those reports are incorrect.
 
Conrad Murray -- Extra Protection at the Jail Medical Ward | TMZ.com
Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I never payed attention to the "while he's being processed" part.

Although I'm not really convinced he's in jail in the first place.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 04:20:06 AM
Everlastinglove_MJ quoted
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Today a major focus of the National Prison Project's work is reversing the misguided policies that have given the United States the largest prison population in the world, both per capita and in absolute numbers. We continue to fight for safe, humane, and decent conditions for the 2.3 million people behind bars. And we are challenging new forms of discrimination, like the Alabama policy that segregates prisoners living with HIV, requires them to wear armbands advertising their HIV status, and bars them from prison jobs, work release, and other important rehabilitative programs.

As we celebrate Black History Month 2012, there is cause for optimism and hope. After nearly 40 years of relentless growth, the U.S. prison population actually declined last year. And while the burden of mass incarceration still falls with crushing disproportionality on Black people, their rate of incarceration has decreased for the last two years.

Martin Luther King Jr. taught us that "the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." That's true in the struggle for civil rights, and equally true in the struggle for prisoners' rights.
 Continuing the Fight for Civil Rights and Prisoners' Rights

Yes, Everlasting, there is something so wrong with this picture.  I think MJ is accomplishing something profound with his hoax. He is touching all people groups, ages, cultures, free or in prisons. When he means to heal the world, he’s not leaving out those behind bars. 'Murray' perhaps is bringing prison conditions to the public’s attention, particularly from an oppressed/prejudiced against-- black man’s perspective.

Remember these? I wonder how MJ's music has affected these prisoners' hearts?

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For American prisoners, huge numbers of whom are serving sentences much longer than those given for similar crimes anywhere else in the civilized world—Texas alone has sentenced more than four hundred teen-agers to life imprisonment—time becomes in every sense this thing you serve.

For most privileged, professional people, the experience of confinement is a mere brush, encountered after a kid’s arrest, say. For a great many poor people in America, particularly poor black men, prison is a destination that braids through an ordinary life, much as high school and college do for rich white ones. More than half of all black men without a high-school diploma go to prison at some time in their lives. Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today—perhaps the fundamental fact, as slavery was the fundamental fact of 1850. In truth, there are more black men in the grip of the criminal-justice system—in prison, on probation, or on parole—than were in slavery then. Over all, there are now more people under “correctional supervision” in America—more than six million—than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height. That city of the confined and the controlled, Lockuptown, is now the second largest in the United States…

The accelerating rate of incarceration over the past few decades is just as startling as the number of people jailed: in 1980, there were about two hundred and twenty people incarcerated for every hundred thousand Americans; by 2010, the number had more than tripled, to seven hundred and thirty-one. No other country even approaches that. In the past two decades, the money that states spend on prisons has risen at six times the rate of spending on higher education…

Prison rape is so endemic—more than seventy thousand prisoners are raped each year—that it is routinely held out as a threat, part of the punishment to be expected.
Mass Incarceration and Criminal Justice in America : The New Yorker

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Since 1980, California has developed a bloated prison population for two key reasons. First, the state's punitive sentencing policies such as "three strikes and you're out" have produced such bizarre outcomes as an offender serving 25 years to life for stealing three golf clubs. And second, California leads the nation in sending offenders back to prison for violations of parole, many for technical reasons, such as failing a drug test, rather than a new crime.

The court's ruling will not result in the release of any offender who represents an immediate threat to public safety. But because 95% of inmates will eventually be released from prison, the key issue centers on use of resources. That is, should the state continue to spend $48,000 a year to imprison a low-level drug offender or provide treatment in the community at far less cost?

Public safety requires that we focus on how best to integrate offenders as they return home. This means assistance in securing work, housing and a positive peer group.

Likewise, state officials need to develop alternative measures to respond to offenders who violate the conditions of their parole. In recent years, the states of Kansas and Michigan successfully reduced the number of people sent back to prison by enhancing services and supervision in the community. Targeted drug testing and drug treatment, as well as expanded job placement services, can effectively limit prison populations and reduce recidivism.

Will some of the inmates released from California prisons re-offend upon their release? Of course. But that's already the case despite massive amounts of money spent on incarceration. The challenge now — and the opportunity — is to shift resources to produce better public safety outcomes for all.

The billions of tax dollars that can be saved by reducing prison populations can be better targeted for public safety by equipping released offenders with the tools and connections they need to lead productive lives in their communities.
Opposing view: Reduce prison populations - USATODAY.com



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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 04:29:35 AM
@Everlastinglove and MJonmind...thank you for bringing those interesting informations! good searching skills girls!  :icon_razz:
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 04:42:07 AM
Agree. Very interesting MJonmind.

Here´s an article about a guy who REALLY died in LA county jail:

LA County jail under investigation after sudden inmate death | abc7.com

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 09:08:36 AM
Thanks for posting those articles MJonmind.  I remember reading an article a couple years ago, talking about how there are more young black men in jail than in college, in the U.S.  It was also talking about the "3 strikes and you're out" rule, where if you screw up a 3rd time, you're in jail for a ridiculous amount of time, like 20-25 years, something like that.  It seems like they just re-classified slavery, doing it "legally".  They don't give these people a chance and get basically free labour for years and years.  It's totally messed up.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
nope i don't think he's really in jail either.that's just based off of what i've been observing. so basically, nope, i don't believe that the trial was real, and that he's  really in jail. if he is, then ok.. but  these are just my beliefs. i'm not saying that it's true, but alot of things didn't seem right about that trial.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 02:18:52 PM
From hoax court to...hoax jail?  Murray landed on "Go To Jail" and is now trying to get his "Get Out of Jail Free" card... These random thoughts remind me of back's "roll the dice" post.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
Found this interesting...... ties between music industry and american prison system.
"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation" | Hip Hop Is Read

Hello,

After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 21, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
Wow.

Two things, one I could see this happening, it sure seems to make sense. The other, I can't see a meeting happening like this. Hearing that is shocking and why would anyone even need to mention this private prison conspiracy to these lowly music industry execs? All they would need to be told is Hi, we want you to promote Gangster Rap music. It's the next big thing and we really want you to focus on it and sell it, and it would be done. Music industry execs like the person who wrote this letter do what they're paid to do and if they get paid to promote Gangster Rap, they promote Gangster Rap. No reason WHY needs to be given and especially not as shocking and confidential that reason is... it makes me question the validity of the whole story.

Even though it sure seems that's exactly the motive behind the music, fill the prisons in America with young black and latino men.  Make it "cool" to be a criminal, get them in the system, and teach them to be career criminals while you're at it.
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 02:42:13 AM
Sometimes I feel like a different species. How depressing.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 05:28:48 AM
Wow.

Two things, one I could see this happening, it sure seems to make sense. The other, I can't see a meeting happening like this. Hearing that is shocking and why would anyone even need to mention this private prison conspiracy to these lowly music industry execs? All they would need to be told is Hi, we want you to promote Gangster Rap music. It's the next big thing and we really want you to focus on it and sell it, and it would be done. Music industry execs like the person who wrote this letter do what they're paid to do and if they get paid to promote Gangster Rap, they promote Gangster Rap. No reason WHY needs to be given and especially not as shocking and confidential that reason is... it makes me question the validity of the whole story.

Even though it sure seems that's exactly the motive behind the music, fill the prisons in America with young black and latino men.  Make it "cool" to be a criminal, get them in the system, and teach them to be career criminals while you're at it.
Yes, it's an interesting story, but I agree there's no way the higher level needed to inform the lower ones of that shocking stuff. Just promote gangsta rap.  Then perhaps certain individuals that are seen as eager promoters could be told more slowly in trust.

In the past I've heard Christians say that rap is promoted by the satanic music industry to lower morality and turn people away from God. Certainly I've not heard anything about filling up prisons with black men, for making profit. This reminds me of what I read about kiwis, that New Zealand had the highest incarceration rate in the world for marijuana usage. There's something so strange about police expending so much time and energy on the war on drugs, throwing millions in prison, making them criminals.  In a smaller way it reminds me of in my own city, the traffic light cameras weren't making enough money for the city, so now police sit in various places and will nab people giving them tickets to fulfill their quota of having to make a certain amount of money a day/week for the city.  We call it another tax on the people.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 05:44:50 AM
i know this is going off topic, but no word of a lie 6 years ago i was booked in sydney australia for 'eating an apple whilst driving'

i did take the opportunity to ask the officer if he was struggling to meet his KPI's. (key performance indicator, performance measuring) He commented that eating whist at the wheel was illegal.

 :errrr: :errrr: :errrr:

err....
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.

yep. exactly what i think it was. and i'm sticking to it.  :judge-smiley:

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 02:53:46 PM
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.

yep. exactly what i think it was. and i'm sticking to it.  :judge-smiley:
staged with Mr.Pumpkin  :icon_razz:
what about planning trial in September? do you think it will happen?
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
Sometimes I feel like a different species. How depressing.
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 02:58:13 PM
i know this is going off topic, but no word of a lie 6 years ago i was booked in sydney australia for 'eating an apple whilst driving'

i did take the opportunity to ask the officer if he was struggling to meet his KPI's. (key performance indicator, performance measuring) He commented that eating whist at the wheel was illegal.

 :errrr: :errrr: :errrr:

err....
:icon_lol:  Then what would that officer have done with Mr. Bean here at 3:30?

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Okay (slaps face) back to Murray in jail (not).  :)

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 03:00:38 PM
i know this is going off topic, but no word of a lie 6 years ago i was booked in sydney australia for 'eating an apple whilst driving'

i did take the opportunity to ask the officer if he was struggling to meet his KPI's. (key performance indicator, performance measuring) He commented that eating whist at the wheel was illegal.

 :errrr: :errrr: :errrr:

err....

 :icon_lol:  Then what would that officer have done with Mr. Bean here at 3:30?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VumrpkL6RS0[/youtube]

Okay (slaps face) back to Murray in jail (not).  :)
thank you MJonmind for the "inspirative" video, but better do not try it  :icon_lol:
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
Wow.

Two things, one I could see this happening, it sure seems to make sense. The other, I can't see a meeting happening like this. Hearing that is shocking and why would anyone even need to mention this private prison conspiracy to these lowly music industry execs? All they would need to be told is Hi, we want you to promote Gangster Rap music. It's the next big thing and we really want you to focus on it and sell it, and it would be done. Music industry execs like the person who wrote this letter do what they're paid to do and if they get paid to promote Gangster Rap, they promote Gangster Rap. No reason WHY needs to be given and especially not as shocking and confidential that reason is... it makes me question the validity of the whole story.

Even though it sure seems that's exactly the motive behind the music, fill the prisons in America with young black and latino men.  Make it "cool" to be a criminal, get them in the system, and teach them to be career criminals while you're at it.
Yes, it's an interesting story, but I agree there's no way the higher level needed to inform the lower ones of that shocking stuff. Just promote gangsta rap.  Then perhaps certain individuals that are seen as eager promoters could be told more slowly in trust.

In the past I've heard Christians say that rap is promoted by the satanic music industry to lower morality and turn people away from God. Certainly I've not heard anything about filling up prisons with black men, for making profit. This reminds me of what I read about kiwis, that New Zealand had the highest incarceration rate in the world for marijuana usage. There's something so strange about police expending so much time and energy on the war on drugs, throwing millions in prison, making them criminals.  In a smaller way it reminds me of in my own city, the traffic light cameras weren't making enough money for the city, so now police sit in various places and will nab people giving them tickets to fulfill their quota of having to make a certain amount of money a day/week for the city.  We call it another tax on the people.

Yeah, and the irony of it is, the church employs such an emphatic philosophy ascertained by these extremists who advocate for anti-rap and the elimination of such genre from society.  I frankly find it radically fallacious. Why? simply due to the fact that from a religious perspective, it is not the message of god to perpetuate such profound confrontations between a form of musical expression and church. I'm a pretty defiant liberal, so I tend to sway towards anti-censorship (as many of you would agree, and michael too of course)  but the message of the church, whatever the subject, is to love without passing judgment. Music is a visceral form of craftsmanship that is intrinsically unique to the artists which governs that medium. the embodiment of work encompasses passion, creolization, and diligence. To ignorantly remark rap as "devil's music" is disrespecting the history of music that so many artists put their heart into. But yet, there are people who promote hostility towards this and are therefore being extremely hypocritical. the point is, love is infinitely universal, and it travels beyond boundaries. we have a right to self expression and individualism. AS for the incarceration issue, it's been going on for years. innocent people have always been convicted and put behind bars, and it revolves around the foundation of profit and money making.  The only true reason why there is such extensive regulation of Marijuana usage is because it is falsely deemed hazardous and even fatal by the government. Scare tactics are essentially what they are, and while it may seem a little volatile and heinous, marijuana does not result in the deaths of many people. in fact, it's great for business. if it were legalized here in the states, the economy would be vastly improved. Of course, I don't engage in that activity myself, but it is simply a business. if I were Obama, I think I would have to acknowledge that prohibition is NEVER solves anything. it  manifests tension, and empowers the corrupt. in the 1920's when alcoholism was illegal, crime rates increased. Even worse is that because of prohibition, drug wars are constantly going on. the mexican cartel murder people (young children ): ) as a result of marijuana prohibition. perhaps all these restrictions and regulations are occurring because the government in new zealand wants to sustain superiority or control within that country. But to say the least, it is important that we are entitled to our freedoms and liberties. freedom of expression, freedom of the ability to challenge authority, and many other. So to alleviate some hate, maybe we should just make Marijuana legal in English speaking countries with an age limit of 21 like they do with alcoholism.  We need to stop deliberately controlling what is good or bad for people (I.E rap is the devil) becuase that isn't an america we've come to known. it isn't freedom unless we have our say and are emotionally manipulated until we are scared not to commit to such acts. We are conditioned with fear so that we are not to accomplish something. that is not freedom. that is mental imprisonment, which is far worse.


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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.

Totally agree  :icon_razz:...It's a film.... :michael-jackson: :icon_e_wink:
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 08:09:09 PM
definitely a fake court. how can a real trial be carried out on a fake death.

no one gets sent to jail for an "alleged" manslaughter.... victim is either dead or he isnt. how can someone be "allegedly dead" and yet another person be sentanced for it.. "alleged" denotes inconclusive.

fake death! fake trial! fake sentence!  :th_bravo:


Alleged..... pffft.  :thjajaja121:


my personal opinion, was that when MJ BAMs and the hoax is brought to the surface, "some will be up in arms and feel mislead" they will then point to things like the funeral, memorial, trial, etc. and say "what about this..." and "what about that..."

the jacksons will then be able to say, did you notice "the word alleged" "the jackolanterns" "the camera crew with the word "crew" on their back, the "elephants in the room" and on and on and on.

the WHOLE thing in its entirety is a stage production. not just the death. all of it combined.


cant wait til the movie comes out :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:!!!
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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 22, 2012, 08:11:40 PM
I don't think the trial was real either. I believe it was a stage production. Hoax court.

yep. exactly what i think it was. and i'm sticking to it.  :judge-smiley:
staged with Mr.Pumpkin  :icon_razz:
what about planning trial in September? do you think it will happen?

idk. i just don't think that the trial was real. what planning trial? if there is one, it might be as fake as that one. but whatever. we'll see what happens.

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 23, 2012, 01:55:43 AM

the WHOLE thing in its entirety is a stage production. not just the death. all of it combined.


cant wait til the movie comes out :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:!!!

I'm not so sure there's gonna be a movie - I think we could well be LIVING it right now, in a once only, never to be repeated real-time production. But what do I know?!

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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 23, 2012, 02:21:07 AM
im not 100% sure on it either? its was kind of off the cuff. my imagination and heart says there will be a movie. i'd love to see the hoax end like that. but my head thinks, hmmm... not sure about a movie.

but entertain me, imagine though what a movie would accomplish? "mj, explaining the why. the when it started. who helped. "how we did this and how we did that. and while we were saying and doing that, this is what you (media and public) percieved and this is what the world concluded based on our stunts"

it would be such an amazing lesson to all to QUESTION everything.

but then again an illusionist never reveals their methods... so it may never happen.


i just WANT michael to be completely vindicated. i WANT the world to know that they were wrong about him. i WANT the world to know how amazing, talanted and innovative he is. i WANT the haters to have egg on their faces. i WANT people to point fingers and say "you cant do that" and i WANT michael to say "i can and i did and here i am"

i WANT fulfilment of "In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you"

i WANT this hoax to end properly, and the hype to not just dwindle out because believers are tired. i WANT and i hope with all my heart, that a bam, if it happens isnt just a sighting, i hope to god its an explanation.

i think THAT will shock the world more than a sighting or a statement...

why leave clues and why create this magnificent piece of work (the hoax) if its all not coming to some amazing crusendo??


maybe i WANT to much..

#perplexed....   :Pulling_hair:



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Re: Dr. Conrad Murray, Help, I'm Dying in Jail!!!

  • on: June 23, 2012, 02:41:41 AM
omg Amen Aussie, Amen!

@Bigshot, you were always wise beyond your years.

@curls, agree, Thriller II is playing now.
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