My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • 60 Replies
  • 7912 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline IWantYouBack

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 208
  • 17 year old singer. :)
    • Jenn Connor Official Website

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 03:16:34 PM

Because I believe that there is a collective interest of the whole to retain the credibility for the community by challenging shared information that, in my opinion and experience, seems questionable. I believe it advances the conversation forward.

But, in this case, it didn't advance the conversation forward. We're no longer discussing what the guard had said and/or what the Mexican Man was doing let alone who he even was. This didn't advance the conversation forward at all. If anything, it completely interrupted it and stopped it. Now half of my thread is  a debate that didn't even have to start if you had just left it alone and let me go about my business by asking for opinions about the guard and the Mexican Man.

I would understand why you would imply that the whole story is questionable and potentially untrue if I had submitted this story as evidence from an unknown person who has a question mark for a profile picture, no name, and is from an unknown city. But I didn't. This was my personal story about my experience to Neverland and I described it just as I would walking up to McDonald's with my best friend. I had a goal in mind when I started this thread. And that goal was to get opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man. Questioning the story and implying that it may actually be false isn't what I was looking for and your comment completely turned the whole point of this thread upside-down. If you had doubts about my story, you could have just left the thread alone and let the people who do believe it discuss it instead of trying to convince everyone that I'm lying like you did in your second post in this thread.

Not only did you interrupt and completely stop the discussion, you didn't even provide a reason as to why you thought the story was far out. You didn't elaborate or anything, which also points to the fact that your post simply didn't belong in this thead and that it wasn't really needed. If your plan was truly to advance the conversation forward, you should have provided a little more proof as to why you think that the story is untrue. But you posted one little sentence that wasn't informative. It didn't help anything, it only sparked a huge debate that hurt feelings and reputations. It could have easily been avoided if you had just given your opinion of the guard and Mexican Man - which is truly all I wanted. Or, since you didn't believe my story, you could have just done nothing.

As for the definitions you have included, I honestly don't care which words you used. All I know is that I was a bit offended by your post and I honestly felt that it didn't even belong in the thread.

It comes down to this simple rule: If you don't believe in the subject of the thread, don't post in it.
Please watch my live performance of "Earth Song" and tell me what you think? :)

Jenn singing Earth Song by Michael Jackson (LIVE) - YouTube


---------------

Jenn C

Offline bec

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Minion Reserve
  • Posts: 6387
    • Exploring The Hoax

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 03:22:51 PM
Last I checked, you don't make the rules.

I don't think you need me to ruin your reputation. You are very young which is why I will let this sink in for a few days. Perhaps the lesson to be learned should be this: if you cannot handle a full range of feedback on what you write down, do not put it on the internet.
Are you entertained?

Offline PureLove

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5891
  • To die would be an awfully big adventure.

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
WoW!!! Thank you for sharing it with us. I think Michael can be there because it would be too obvious if he was there, everyone could think that he was in Neverland but also people would think that he wouldn't stay in Neverland because it would be too obvious; you know what I'm trying to say?  :icon_e_wink: He can definitely be there. Wish I was living in LA and go and check out Neverland myself.

P.S: The discussion is still on. I do believe the guard meant that MJ is there in Neverland.
  :icon_e_smile:
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 04:26:58 PM by PureLove »

Offline Love4Michael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 398
  • Love Lives Forever

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
I have to admit that I'm a bit saddened by all of this back and forth.  Are we going to have to break out the SuperSoakers for a Duel at 20 Paces?  :icon_e_sad:

My observation regarding this thread is as follows:

Jenn...you say that you are seeking "opinions" regarding the comment made by the guard and the Mexican guy.  Unfortunately, none of us can truly give an opinion as we weren't there to witness the event and to form any opinion at all.  We are limited only to commenting on the story as relayed.  Bec has never been one to mince words...lol...and if she thought it was totally fabricated she would have said as much...and very directly I think.  Her use of the phrase "far out" I thought was appropriate because I certainly find it "far out" (as in frighteningly bizarre) that if he was really there...that all of his hard work and planning could be so easily undone by a careless slip of the tongue over a necklace.  With that being said I see these as the only opinion/options possible of the event as you described it:

1.  Guard said exactly what you say he did -> Michael is there - > Michael needs a new security guard   :icon_eek: :icon_pale:
2.  Guard could have meant another "he" if there are people connected to Michael still staffing/hanging around the place
3.  Guard could have said "she"? with the same conditions as in #2
(the mind is a very powerful thing when it comes to hearing what we WANT to hear...doesn't make you a liar...just human  :icon_neutral:)
4.  Guard is a jerk that was messing with your head  :icon_evil:  You didn't have to tell him you were a believer...your necklace proved that you were a big fan.
5.  Without better pictures of the Mexican Guy there isn't any way to give an informed opinion on that dude...sorry  :icon_e_confused:

If I think of any others I'll post again later.  Love to All
Always reach out to lend support and to help bear a heavy burden. 
There is no greater gift that you can give than your caring and love. 
Spread laughter and joy in your travels and carry love with you in abundant supply. 
Share life...share the world.

Offline diggyon

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1376

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
Then why are we even here. why are we investigating everything, finding information, clues. Isnt this to
find out if Michael is still alive. Whats wrong with investigation Neverland more? It is no different to investingating forrest lawn or carolwood or anything else. I dont mean we should really camp outside the gates, just joking.

Nothing is wrong with investigations. But we are NOT here to find Michael. At least I am not here for this purpose.
If I'd know where he were, I'd keep my mouth shut, that's for sure.

Ditto
Together we are strong

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln

Thank you Michael for letting me discover the truth!

I lost the bet, Sarahli won it! ! ! loool


Offline MJonmind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 7290

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
I have to admit that I'm a bit saddened by all of this back and forth.  Are we going to have to break out the SuperSoakers for a Duel at 20 Paces?  :icon_e_sad:

My observation regarding this thread is as follows:

Jenn...you say that you are seeking "opinions" regarding the comment made by the guard and the Mexican guy.  Unfortunately, none of us can truly give an opinion as we weren't there to witness the event and to form any opinion at all.  We are limited only to commenting on the story as relayed.  Bec has never been one to mince words...lol...and if she thought it was totally fabricated she would have said as much...and very directly I think.  Her use of the phrase "far out" I thought was appropriate because I certainly find it "far out" (as in frighteningly bizarre) that if he was really there...that all of his hard work and planning could be so easily undone by a careless slip of the tongue over a necklace.  With that being said I see these as the only opinion/options possible of the event as you described it:

1.  Guard said exactly what you say he did -> Michael is there - > Michael needs a new security guard   :icon_eek: :icon_pale:
2.  Guard could have meant another "he" if there are people connected to Michael still staffing/hanging around the place
3.  Guard could have said "she"? with the same conditions as in #2
(the mind is a very powerful thing when it comes to hearing what we WANT to hear...doesn't make you a liar...just human  :icon_neutral:)
4.  Guard is a jerk that was messing with your head  :icon_evil:  You didn't have to tell him you were a believer...your necklace proved that you were a big fan.
5.  Without better pictures of the Mexican Guy there isn't any way to give an informed opinion on that dude...sorry  :icon_e_confused:

If I think of any others I'll post again later.  Love to All

Very well said!

Offline pikachu

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 125
  • pffff

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 06:46:21 PM
a quite possible story. don't think the guard had any problems, moreover,
probably little 'slip-ups' are allowed as a bonus for stubborn believers,
and his intention was just to play along.)

I don't think MJ is at Neverland, but got intrigued by Tink's story --
could please anybody post the link here? many thanks.

Bec, don't be so strict toward the girl.)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 06:47:52 PM by pikachu »
.................................................................
will YOU still care? will YOU be there??.. ah, well, sure... life is not a song...

Offline IWantYouBack

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 208
  • 17 year old singer. :)
    • Jenn Connor Official Website

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Last I checked, you don't make the rules.

I don't think you need me to ruin your reputation. You are very young which is why I will let this sink in for a few days. Perhaps the lesson to be learned should be this: if you cannot handle a full range of feedback on what you write down, do not put it on the internet.

Last time I checked, I didn't claim to make the rules of this forum as a whole. But since it's my thread and my story, I do believe that I have the right to ask for whatever I want as long as it follows the general forum rules that all threads must follow. Also, that "rule" isn't a rule I made. It's been around the world and around the internet for years. It's the classic saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all". The same goes with what you posted in my thread and the same goes with you implying that I fabricated the story. I didn't create that rule, but I think it's a rule that everyone should try to follow.

Also, just because I am young doesn't mean that I don't know what I can and should post online. I've created 5 popular websites and helped create another 4 (MJbeatz.com, CenterSoundRadio.com, Caloyalevents.com to name a few). I also ran an internet safety program in my city for over a year, which was designed to help keep children safe online. I have A LOT of internet experience. I know what I'm capable of posting online and when I should post it.

I'm also a singer with a YouTube Channel and my own website. This isn't the only time someone has attacked me with negativity. I've been on the internet since I was 8 years old, I'm used to taking positive and negative feedback accordingly. I've been through a lot worse than this so I don't think it's fair for you to judge me on what I can or cannot handle. And also, when you live with 2 brothers and have been bullied at school, you learn how to handle negativity. And sitting back and letting someone rank on you isn't how you handle it. And, to be honest, I think I handled your comment quite well actually. I never went personal on you, Bec. I never put your reputation at risk, I never called you a liar, I didn't do anything to hurt you personally. In fact, I think I've complemented you on this thread a number of times. All I did was stand up for myself. In my opinion, if I didn't handle your comment well, I would have deleted all of my posts in this thread and gotten a moderator to close the thread and never, ever came on this forum again. That would be not handling it for me. You don't know me personally, you don't know what I've been through or what I am capable of handling.

And come on, you have to admit that your words are taken more seriously than those of a regular user. You're a moderator and I'm just a norm. If you claim that I'm a liar the community is going to believe you because you are a moderator who has a high reputation. You're in higher places. I've been a forum moderator before on another fansite, I know what it's like to be near the top of the pyramid on a popular forum. It's politics. Do you think the people of America are more likely to listen to Barack Obama or the cashier at Wal-Mart?

@Love4Michael I know that you all weren't there with me that day at Neverland. I know you all won't have the answer to what happened on that day. That's why I tried to describe what happened the best way that I could. I even provided visuals. All I was asking was that based on what you read in this thread, what is your opinion? It's not evidence. There's nothing to debunk or highly investigate. It was simply an experience that I had and I was just looking to share it with you guys to see what you all thought of it. And who's to say that a user here didn't have a similar experience one day? Surely users can give a little bit of an opinion based on what they have read - it looks like you did. You created 4 scenarios. If those aren't opinions on what the guard could have meant, I don't know what are. So thank you for your input. Input on the guard and the Mexican Man is really all I was looking for. As for your third scenario, I can guarantee everyone that he didn't say "she". My brother and my Dad heard "he" as well, and they don't even believe in the hoax let alone even consider themselves to be big fans of Michael.
Please watch my live performance of "Earth Song" and tell me what you think? :)

Jenn singing Earth Song by Michael Jackson (LIVE) - YouTube


---------------

Jenn C

Offline bec

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Minion Reserve
  • Posts: 6387
    • Exploring The Hoax

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 07:21:22 PM
Ok, this has gone on long enough. Clearly you, IWantYouBack, have difficulty with vocabulary or difficulty with reading for comprehension but obviously no difficulty with confrontation. You've had plenty of opportunities to get your own thread back on topic, and many members here have given you openings to do so, but you would much rather bicker and moan and get the last word then discuss the subject---> which is really more suitable for the blog feature then the forum anyway.

So now, you can update your online experience resume to reflect "A LOT"+1. Congratulations.
Are you entertained?

Offline IWantYouBack

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 208
  • 17 year old singer. :)
    • Jenn Connor Official Website

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Okay, now that this thread has been reopened we can finally get back to the real discussion.

Love4Michael, thanks for your input. Your scenarios are definitely possible, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't say "she". I asked my family, and they agree that he definitely said he. As for the Mexican Man, I am still looking through my pictures to see if I can spot him. I took over 200 photos so give me a little bit of time and I'll take a closer look! :)
Please watch my live performance of "Earth Song" and tell me what you think? :)

Jenn singing Earth Song by Michael Jackson (LIVE) - YouTube


---------------

Jenn C

Offline ~Souza~

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Hoaxer
  • *****
  • Mrs. SEHF
  • Posts: 10146
    • Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Re: My Interesting Experience At Neverland

  • on: May 07, 2012, 09:27:20 PM
This thread was not reopened, that was a forum glitch. You can take this thread to the blog section as bec suggested. There you can also discuss this. I want all threads like this one in the blog section, so we can have the actual investigation here on the forum.

 

SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal