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MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:09:11 PM
Do we know who we are?
Do we trust too much?
Do we doubt too much?
Do we think enough?
Do we search enough?
Do we ask enough questions?
Are things as we think they are?
Is the reality we live in OUR reality or SOMEONE ELSE's reality?
Are we truly free ?
Do we have control or are we controlled?
Did we learn enough?
Are we still manipulated and used? Do we allow that without knowing it?
Are we listening?
Are we watching or are we being watched?
Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

Do we know what the purpose of this death hoax is?

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:37:59 PM

Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

We're playing those mind games together
pushing the barriers planting seeds...
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will YOU still care? will YOU be there??.. ah, well, sure... life is not a song...

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:44:58 PM
In the past (almost) 3 years, we've been witnessing to a wide range of human behaviors in the virtual world, especially HoaxLand: identity thieves ----> fakers, posers, frauds, impersonators, liars, "Gamers", mind F_ _ _ rs (sorry!), double/triple accounts, stalkers, etc....

Whether we were on Youtube, twiter, Facebook, blogs or forums, I think we've all experienced IT = Identity Theft   ----> This is IT !!

The question is: which ones were random crazy people pretending to be someone they're not, and which ones were "plants" purposely put there probably by Michael himself.... to teach us something??

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:56:21 PM
On The one hand we have MJ-fakers, but on the other hand there are also those who play pretend to be fans or beLIEvers!!!
To tell you the truth: I feel pitty for the ones that fall in the 1st category, but I feel rather scared about the second category!!
Who are these people??

Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??


WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FAKES AROUND US???

Really...can't we trust anyone anymore???



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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
Hey Simpa.....it does indeed seem to be a jungle out there. I haven't come across this too much probably because I haven't had the desire, let alone the  time to spend a great deal of time anywhere else other than on this site. For me, there is safety here, as Souza and her mods run this house with all diligence and proficiency. And when questionable behavior arises, they are on to it rather swiftly. It makes me feel safe as I should do , cause this is like home to me, I have been a virtual resident here for just about 3 years.  I don't understand people who get off on decieving others and pretending to be Michael online. I guess they do it because they can and obviously have no life of their own worth living.
now as to these questions....

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Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??
YES...to all of the above.  "THEY" are watching too.


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
I've oft wondered if I wasn't caught up in Groundhog Day. Donny Darko would be much worse!
Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
[...] For me, there is safety here, as Souza and her mods run this house with all diligence and proficiency. And when questionable behavior arises, they are on to it rather swiftly. It makes me feel safe as I should do , cause this is like home to me, I have been a virtual resident here for just about 3 years. [...]
Tks for your comment RK.
Regarding what you said in this paragraph quoted here ^^ I don't know... I wouldn't feel so safe anywhere!
After all... Internet is Internet! Anyone can be behind a nice ID which does NOT necessarily behave suspiciously! on the contrary!
Those who openly pose as Michael are the least dangerous! I am more concerned with the "infiltrated" ones, those who act normal! I've recently read something on this and it really left me thinking!!
The admins of this forum sure do a great job for keeping this forum safer than other web places, but I wouldn't make the mistake of feeling too safe just because of that! Just think about the times this forum has been hacked and how many use proxies...some IPs are detectable, some not! SO .... you NEVER know, you just NEVER know who "plays" around here!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:42:52 AM
I guess that's when we've got to go with our gut, our own discernment. You know... the advice from the good book....be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves. I think you can still be gentle without being gullible....with this one exception. If I ever found Dimond or Sneddon here under proxy...then I'd go all ninja on them. Been wanting to bitch slap that evil for a long long time. 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:09:58 AM
On The one hand we have MJ-fakers, but on the other hand there are also those who play pretend to be fans or beLIEvers!!!
To tell you the truth: I feel pitty for the ones that fall in the 1st category, but I feel rather scared about the second category!!
Who are these people??

Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??


WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FAKES AROUND US???

Really...can't we trust anyone anymore???



Indeed....great posts here about fakers.  I love this picture you have here Sim......it fascinates me to no end.  Why just one Macaulay Culkin?  And that one MJ with almost a priestly look about him?  Strange for sure, but really awesome. 
Yeah....I have always wondered about the the true numbers of the forum......non-fakers, real people here.  I have felt for a along time, that number is actually fairly small.  So, I don't know what to say really....except, hold on tight because this hoax could go in any direction, lol.  Thanks for posting this pic....love it.  It's so fitting....and just plain cool : )  It actually reminds of the post about Magic Eye art...I posted about it a while ago.  I have always thought it would be incorporated somehow....it's just fun optical illusional art.   There is also The Magic Eye Theater in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyland......Captain EO was there.

Magic Eye Theater | Around Disney 

and this magic eye:

michael jackson magic eye | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Here is my original post about it:

TIAI March 9


Me and art...LOL. 

Hope you are doing well.......
blessings always to you!

LOVE

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:16:07 AM

Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

We're playing those mind games together
pushing the barriers planting seeds...

Hi pikatchu.. more quotes from the song "Mind Games", by John  Lennon

....."playin' the mind guerilla...
chantin' the mantra .. peace on earth"

" love is a flower
.. you gotta let it.. you gotta let it grow.."

 :compute:  L.O.V.E x
 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:29:00 AM
The hoax is a giant mind game after all.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 04:44:26 AM
Thanks Simpa for all the interesting videos!  This is one reason I have enjoyed this hoax so much.  I've loved playing this 'game' for the most part--trying to figure out who/what is good/bad, real/fake, true/false, friend/foe, related/unrelated, and on and on.  Since June 25,09, this has kept me up countless nights thinking/going over every detail, aching to get back here while at work or anywhere else.  It is just sheer mental challenge/stimulation and I have absolutely loved it--just living by sheer love for MJ, drive, wits and intuition.  Sure I've made lots of mistakes, reconsidered some things, felt frustrated and sick over some things, but for the most part have felt like I was in heaven. I feel so blessed to have 'accidentally' come upon this forum way back, and it ended up being the best! :woohoo2:

The thing is--I can look back over my whole life, and see where so MUCH of the world around me, has been all kinds/levels of mind games/deception/fakes/lies.  This hoax is simply that we are allowed to actually address these issues and examine everything closely.  I've felt like THIS is the real thing, while much of the rest is mind games, that everyone else thinks is real. Does that make sense?

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 08:39:31 AM
This is a good recent example of 'their" latest "game" (kind of reminds me of that "MjVIVA" >:( )

Thanks to @thea.panina for posting this on the thread: Who is this

This are their newest jokes:

Message From Michael Jackson 2012 - YouTube

Michael Jackson - "Loves Conrad Murray" May 26, 2009 RECORDED - YouTube

They also say that Bruce Jackson is Michael Jackson (search for Bruce Jackson songs on youtube). For me he does not sound like Michael.
"They"= fake Michael (kfcmane) and helper  (appleheadlives=Jorden). The second video I don't know whether Jorden has made it but he is in the commentors, so he must be involve.

 :WTF: Soon this chat will be a pornclub with minors. Shame the esatate is doing nothing about this. The fake Michael shows in slomo how Michael grabs his crotch and that is how he starts in the room with the female guests. There are children here too ! (under 15)

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 09:06:01 AM
The main problem and the main questions is: why are people so prone to falling for fakes?
What about common sense and gut feeling?
I understand how they get started on that in the first place (might happen to me as well) but how they get hung up on that....I just don´t get it.
Isn´t that what often happens in real life also? Not just in hoaxland. No matter what the subject is, there´s always someone who follows blindly. Well not just someone but a lot of people.
Guess society is spoiled big time and the ability to question things/people is down the drain.
Seems so comfortable to stick to precast opinions and images served on a silver platter.

But hey...that´s why we should consider ourselves lucky to be here. Gaining awareness.
You and I were never separate

It's just an illusion

Wrought by the magical lens of Perception



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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 09:18:30 AM
[...]

Indeed....great posts here about fakers.  I love this picture you have here Sim......it fascinates me to no end.  Why just one Macaulay Culkin?  And that one MJ with almost a priestly look about him?  Strange for sure, but really awesome.
Hi Wishy!  :icon_e_smile: Thanks for those links on MagicEye, the first time I've read about this...
I don't know what that sole pic of Macaulay Culkin means nor the "priestly" one  :icon_lol: I just found the pic with my good ol' friend Mr. Google :icon_e_biggrin:
But now that you asked.... kind of intrigues me too! lol


Yeah....I have always wondered about the the true numbers of the forum...
non-fakers, real people here. 
I have felt for a along time, that number is actually fairly small.
I think so too!



This forum is full of "colors" as far as its members are concerned! Really a "rainbow" of users around here...
- some are real fans, curious and wandering...
- some are true beLIEvers (fans or non-fans), looking for answers, searching, sharing infos, etc...
- some are fake fans and/or fake beLIEvers, spying, watching and most of them show up and post only when there is trouble! like they're enjoying the scandals or something...
- some are clones of other users from the categories already mentioned ^^
- some are probably "plants" put here either MJ himself or by the ones on "other side" (TPTB and/or the media)

 So far for the members! But what about the "guests" or "visitors"!! ?  :icon_e_wink:

11.351.927 visitors !!??  :icon_eek:



I've seen that some of our members posted photos of themselves or even their families... I don't judge them..... but I'd like to say that if I were them , I wouldn't do that!!
 How do we know who is collecting all these info about us??
How do we know what these people DO or might do with all this info about us?? (before OR after the BAM!!!)
We are truly in a vulnerable position anywhere on the Internet, especially if we expose ourselves that easily.
I don't want to accuse anyone of anything... but just think of what Pearl Jr. does with info gathered from all beLIEvers around here and there... Writing and selling books/DVDs, etc... At least she goes public and shows herself and shows what she does and how she does it!!
But have you thought for a second of all those 11 million "visitors"?? Do you think they are ALL just nice, well intended people?? have you thought that maybe some of them do the same , but much worse? and we don't even have a clue about that?


I wish you all much LOVE and especially SAFE WEB-SURFING!




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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 10:53:12 AM
@Simpa.... I think "IMissYouAll09 is the impersonator used for the mugshot, what do you think??

So if there are so many fakers on line, is it possible that Front is a faker and his handwritten notes were not real?? so no mini-BAM  :-\
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
I would surely like to have one of those MJ clone masks  :LolLolLolLol: 
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:16:57 AM
@Simpa.... I think "IMissYouAll09 is the impersonator used for the mugshot, what do you think??

So if there are so many fakers on line, is it possible that Front is a faker and his handwritten notes were not real?? so no mini-BAM  :-\
I don't know if "IMissYouAll09" was used or not... But I think that Michael has been using doubles for years to trick and escape from the harassing paparazzi. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, we will have his confirmation that he has used doubles for this hoax too.

Regarding your question about Front : yes , he could be a faker. At this point .... I beLIEve anyhting is possible.
If Front is a faker, then I must highlight the following differences as compared to the rest of the fakers out there:
- he sure lasted longer than any other fakers and fooled not only the members of this forum, but also the admins (unless of course, we must assume that maybe the admins allowed him to play his mind-games here, for whatever reasons!)
- he's the only one being verified by subtle family twits. The most recent example? Well we all know Back used to say "it's not a comeback, it's a take over", then recently Front also said "we're takin' over" in one of his messages, coincidence or not, Jaafar and Paris also posted on their tweeter this phrase "we're takin' over". See here: Official back & Front thread
 This is just one of the long row of "coincidences" like this!

Well then in this case, we have 2 options of what to beLIEve about Front:
1.  either the family-twits are clearly validating both Back & Front!
2. either the family is mocking the faker! by imitating and repeating his phrases.
^^ In this case, it means that the members of this forum are double-FOOLED (mind-GamED !): once by the faker and twice by the family who shows signs of knowing what's going on here.

In the end .... being aware of all the risks/implications of this "game", I think the choice belongs to each one of us: TRUST or NOT ; TO BELIEVE or TO DOUBT

I choose to trust Front and the family twits.
If in the end I'll discover I made the wrong choice, then at least I know from this very moment that it was all worth the FUN! / adventure!  :icon_lol:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
@Simpa...I appreciate your explanation but in one of the videos you have posted, it says that we shouldn't believe Michael's children will appear on twitter but I am reading and studying their tweets everyday, I have verified that their twitter accounts are real as they have the blue sign of "verified". 
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
@Simpa...I appreciate your explanation but in one of the videos you have posted, it says that we shouldn't believe Michael's children will appear on twitter but I am reading and studying their tweets everyday, I have verified that their twitter accounts are real as they have the blue sign of "verified".
You're talking about this video : *READ INFO* The posers/fakers involving Michael Jackson's kids Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson - YouTube

Check the date, it was posted in January 2010 on YT. Since that date, the family accounts have been verified , at least Paris's twitter account has been verified by Paris and Latoya in  a video if I can remember well. Nevertheless, what is said in that video ^^ remains true! there are still so many fakers out there on twitter, YT, FB pretending to be Paris or other family members.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:43:59 AM
If Front could predict a missing N in two locations which he could not possibly manipulate without being involved (Official Facebook and Prosecution's own powerpoint presentation) weeks and months ahead of time and he is NOT for real, then he is the world's most gifted psychic... and I don't believe in psychic abilities.

So not only can he predict a missing letter, but he also can copy the exact style of a colorful, unique, and full of intimate knowledge username that was posting on the biggest fan forum in existence 4 years prior to the hoax, post after post after post for months now without slipping character... he also can copy, exactly, down to the smallest detail, MJ's handwriting, fluently, word after word, writing in full sentences.

So if Front were a fake, then we have the world's best psychic impersonator forger in the house.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
@Simpa...@Bec... Thank you guys, I can breathe now !!! I agree with you both about the twitter accounts and Front. Our Front is not fake and Michael is alive   :woohoo2:
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol......... 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 02:05:41 PM
Wishingstar I agree with this and it so reminds me of him on the telephone with someone, I forget, but anyway at first he was talking and really cool until he apparently got a little concerned that the caller was a fake.  He put the phone down for a minute and then came back in another voice as a different person.  It's on Youtube somewhere.  Funniest thing ever.  So of course, its very possible that Michael fakes being Michael.  I know if it were me, I certainly would.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol.........

Yes wishingstar, I totally agree. Your statement leads me to another thought: What if all the doubles in "This is it" were Michael himself?
We have this theory now that Michael played his own double at the O2 conference. I have watched "This is it" one more time and I must admit that I couldn't recognize the doubles  from real MJ! It's hard to know whether they are Michael himself playing doubles or doubles playing Michael!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO confused !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 05:17:03 PM
@Diggyon.... Why are you reading my mind? I was gonna post exactly that, what if all the Michaels in This is it are real Michael pretending be his own impersonators? and I go farther than that, what if in "Michael Album" all the songs are sang by Michael but impersonating his own voice? I think this could be "THE KEY OF THIS HOAX"   :michael_jackson-1135:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
@Simpa...I appreciate your explanation but in one of the videos you have posted, it says that we shouldn't believe Michael's children will appear on twitter but I am reading and studying their tweets everyday, I have verified that their twitter accounts are real as they have the blue sign of "verified".
You're talking about this video : *READ INFO* The posers/fakers involving Michael Jackson's kids Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson - YouTube

Check the date, it was posted in January 2010 on YT. Since that date, the family accounts have been verified , at least Paris's twitter account has been verified by Paris and Latoya in  a video if I can remember well. Nevertheless, what is said in that video ^^ remains true! there are still so many fakers out there on twitter, YT, FB pretending to be Paris or other family members.
yeah there are fakes but look - we somehow KNOW they are fakes. We follow some of them out of curiosity or for fun.
But with TS and Front it's different. We can't be 100% sure YET but they are different, there's something about them that makes us like  :WTF: who are these people?? I am like this all the time with Front and TS. Sometimes I think "it's too good to be true" yet I keep following them because I just can't find inside myself enough gut feeling they are fake.
The frustrating part is that I can't be 100% sure of anything. Damn :icon_cry:.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 05:29:18 PM
The problem I have with TII with regards to possible doubles, is that I've watched it so many times now, that I've grown to 'know' (and love!) the usual suspects, got so used to them, that they don't seem so suspicious any more, if you get my drift!

If I look back to the first time I saw it in the cinema, when obviously I had a 'fresh' mind, I never suspected doubles (but then, I did think MJ was dead at that time, so what did I know!) - but saw and felt odd and sort of uncomfortable at some of the dancing and him forgetting or singing wrong lyrics to some of the songs. And no RIP! These were the things that got my attention and sat dormant for several more months, till they began to make some sense.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 05:30:15 PM
@Diggyon.... Why are you reading my mind? I was gonna post exactly that, what if all the Michaels in This is it are real Michael pretending be his own impersonators? and I go farther than that, what if in "Michael Album" all the songs are sang by Michael but impersonating his own voice?
I think this could be "THE KEY OF THIS HOAX"   :michael_jackson-1135:
Yeah! and I think you're a fake beLIEver ! oupsyyy  :icon_e_surprised: :michael_jackson-1135:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 06:28:53 PM
@Simpa... I am and have been a Michael Jackson fan from I was 14 years old, I am Spanish and I love Michael more than anything in my life, I have been reading this forum from 2 years now but just posting now since I saw Front posted the 3 handwritten posts, I am in state of shock since then. I only want to contribute giving my points of view,  I am enjoying so much reading all these awesome posts, I also follow Pearl Jr and I have many first hand information from her because any doubt I have I ask her via email. I also read MJHOAXLIVE and read daily Jermaine, Latoya and Paris tweets, what else can I tell you to make you change your mind?? I send a PM.
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 06:34:27 PM
@Diggyon.... Why are you reading my mind? I was gonna post exactly that, what if all the Michaels in This is it are real Michael pretending be his own impersonators? and I go farther than that, what if in "Michael Album" all the songs are sang by Michael but impersonating his own voice? I think this could be "THE KEY OF THIS HOAX"   :michael_jackson-1135:

Now you are reading my mind!  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: That's exactly what I was thinking about Michael's last album too!!!
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
This is all very interesting - thank you for sharing.

The problem for me is that I am usually right in my hunches and the fact that I can't get a solid vibe about this hoax has left me confused. There have been moments where I feel without a doubt that something is legit and moments without a doubt that it's a fake. That is fine but then there is a lot of gray and that leaves me confused. Why? because I don't understand and I can't get my brain around it.

It's the fact that there are fakes out there and people who want to earn our trust for bad deeds that I remain somewhat distant at times. But then I know there are good people too. There were imposters when I joined the forum over 2 years ago. There are imposters in every social network. Michael is a clone a million times over. Yet, somehow, I am able to sense from pictures and videos who is the real Michael and who isn't. If Michael is impersonating himself he has to be deliberately off the mark just enough to not give his identity away. I say that because I've seen every impersonator, I think, and they all lack "it". They have the looks fairly good (not perfect) and they are good dancers and dress to perfection but they lack the "it" quality that always rings in my spirit as genuine. Therefore, I have a hard time believing he's impersonating himself. Of course I could be wrong.

It's getting too coincidental that Front is being verified by MJ's family. However, where did Souza come up with that handwritten note with the word "momment" on it? It's not the first time she's popped up with evidence like that - so maybe she's more in the know than we realize and that is why this forum was chosen by MJ. But it's possible that a good faker also found the same letter to copy. And, if Front is legit and TR prophesied Front then does that make TR legit (I know it's been brought up before). Who are the fakes and who aren't? I still believe that Esco1951 was legit and also Call Of the Wild. BlackJack is definitely not legit. Any others? Maybe we need to go back and piece together comments from some of these posters to see.

On another note - does anyone follow themichealproject20? The fact that "20" has been a number under discussion on the Front thread makes me go hmmm....even more than before. This person mostly "favorites" other videos that they think will give information about Michael. This isn't your normal hoax poster. The videos "favorited" over the past couple of days are the making of Miss Castasway - very interesting. If you haven't seen them I suggest you do. It somewhat validates the movie theory, which Bec said she thinks this forum was chosen because Souza got it right by posting that theory. IDK - more "hints" have left me scratching my head. One thing I don't question is that Michael is 100% alive. There is nothing in my brain that thinks this way - but the whys, hows, and what-for's are creating quite a bit of clutter.

The only thing I can do right now is "keep watchin'" to see how it all comes together.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 07:30:12 PM
@voiceforthesilent: There are quite a few links out there to this particular note with "momment" in it.
(Which btw is of no importance for me. I think the Front-notes are legitimate).
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Wow, Maybe he had doubles, and used himself, and also dressed himself as one of the doubles.  That's totally GENIUS.   No one can figure anything out.  He can also walk around dressed like a double or come back and no one would be sure who it is.  This reminds me of the song "Who is It ?"

Masks, glasses,hats and gloves are just perfect also.  There are soooo many who try to copy it.  Smart, Smart, Smart !!!!     :bowdown:

And maybe Jim Carey played a double for Michael.  Maybe announcing the concerts ?  I don't know because I didn't think he was that thin ????  Maybe it was Michael acting like a double.  Maybe it was just another double ?  Maybe it was him but it didn't seem like him ??????

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
This thread gives a whole new meaning to the phrase is it scary for ya baby?  It makes the hairs on my neck stand on end.  The excitement coupled with the anticipation of what’s gonna happen next is almost creepy :omg: 
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

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*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol.........

Yes wishingstar, I totally agree. Your statement leads me to another thought: What if all the doubles in "This is it" were Michael himself?
We have this theory now that Michael played his own double at the O2 conference. I have watched "This is it" one more time and I must admit that I couldn't recognize the doubles  from real MJ! It's hard to know whether they are Michael himself playing doubles or doubles playing Michael!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO confused !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



At this stage I should not be surprised in nothing that all double of "This is it" are Michael :suspect:


And please don't misinterpret me, but I think that in this kind of games are more suseptibles to deception the people who are very passionate, that those who are more balanced. :smiley-vault-misc-150: :smiley_abuv:

I am not referring to anyone in special and spoke in a general way :icon_mrgreen:

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 01:15:31 AM
However, where did Souza come up with that handwritten note with the word "momment" on it? It's not the first time she's popped up with evidence like that - so maybe she's more in the know than we realize and that is why this forum was chosen by MJ.

That note of MJ's was posted already on the Front thread by MJonmind, I believe, but Souza specifically got the link to the pic from me, and I got it off .net which I was surfing at the time since the subject just popped up there. Someone on that forum had posted it and it was convenient to supplement the convo we were having on skype, so I linked Souza to it from there, she posted it on the Front thread, probably not realizing it was already posted a page or two back by MJonmind when the topic of the misspelled "momment" was being discussed.
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 05:22:46 AM
It wasn’t me, it was MaryK  Official back & Front thread

Also Simpa and Bec, TS has twice redirected to Front’s post. If Front’s a fake, then so is TS.
The difficulty level for TS and Front and Back, all being fakes but the same person, exponentially makes this faker/troll an AMAZING genius!

hesouttamylife, this is the phonecall where MJ switches to his other voice.
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@Diggyon.... Why are you reading my mind? I was gonna post exactly that, what if all the Michaels in This is it are real Michael pretending be his own impersonators? and I go farther than that, what if in "Michael Album" all the songs are sang by Michael but impersonating his own voice? I think this could be "THE KEY OF THIS HOAX"
Tink explained in the Tupac hologram thread how they were able to use his voice patterns to make him say new words. So surely they can alter MJ’s voice to sound just like Jason Malachi’s. I think 'Michael' is all MJ.
I also don't think MJ would give a KEY role of announcing the 02 concerts to an impersonator/double. I think doubles are just used for filler/stunts/minor supporting roles. Every inch of MJ at 02 has been annalyzed :icon_lol: and he matches MJ 100% IMO!
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 05:33:27 AM
@voiceforthesilent: There are quite a few links out there to this particular note with "momment" in it.
(Which btw is of no importance for me. I think the Front-notes are legitimate).
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 06:05:12 AM
@MJonmind... Yeah I've arrived to that conclusion too after watching TII several times I saw a strange Michael but still Michael, it's difficult to explain because I even thought like: why he sometimes looks gorgeous and sometimes not so gorgeous ?? I think he even sometimes make a small change in his face to make us think he is an impersonator  :moonwalk_:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 11:59:50 AM
It wasn’t me, it was MaryK  Official back & Front thread

Also Simpa and Bec, TS has twice redirected to Front’s post. If Front’s a fake, then so is TS.
The difficulty level for TS and Front and Back, all being fakes but the same person, exponentially makes this faker/troll an AMAZING genius!


Pardon me, I wasn't for certain the username, thank you for the correction.

The funny thing about TS (and his redirects) is you cannot nail him down... to anything. He's slippery. His verbiage is full of loopholes; he chooses his words carefully so as not to talk himself into a corner, he always leaves himself a verbal out, always a vague word thrown in so as not to be cornered. The redirects are vague, it's like quoting someone without isolating a single comment, it could mean anything you like, pick and chose your meaning, you decide on your own truth.

I do agree that if they were all the same person, and that person were faking all of this, that person's role as "troll" would be monumental. Insurmountable, even. It's difficult to envision a scenario which facilitates that level of successful deception over such a long period of time. So difficult that it nearly debunks the very notion right off the bat.
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
Maybe he had doubles, and used himself, and also dressed himself as one of the doubles. 
That's totally GENIUS.   No one can figure anything out.  He can also walk around dressed like a double
or come back and no one would be sure who it is. 

Masks, glasses,hats and gloves are just perfect also.  There are soooo many who try to copy it. 
Smart, Smart, Smart !!!!   

And maybe Jim Carey played a double for Michael.  Maybe announcing the concerts ? 
I don't know because I didn't think he was that thin ????  Maybe it was Michael acting like a double. 
Maybe it was just another double ?  Maybe it was him but it didn't seem like him ??????

This is "The Greatest Show on Earth". 

He consciously made himself a myth, a symbol, and after that symbol was copied
and replicated so many times by so many people, it has lost its original meaning and exclusivity.
now, having passed this symbol into the possession of others, he may use any other one
to identify himself or remain unidentified at all, what has a lot of benefits in his nowaday situation.

as to using body-doubles, a quite interesting travesty also takes place here.
he may use and probably uses the disguise of his own double/mimicker, as well anyone even remotely
resembling him, can be mistaken for him. for the symbol (a hat, a glove, white socks, a mask and so on )
now goes freely without being tightly connected to its original. that's a totally postmodernistic move,
full of humor, and I admire MJ's wit here, though i hope this is not 'the greatest show on earth' yet.)

as to those endless appearances of some officially non-doubles who behave in the worst traditions
of reverse psychology and, trying to convince us they are not MJ, convince us in the opposite --
it's just a monotonous, non-creative and boring circus. and I sincere hope this is not MJ is having
such a desperate genre crisis and lack of taste, but just some obsessed and non-original people,
whose own life in not bright enough.

(Sure, I don't mean sweet guys like Pablo, 7 Leachims, TMA, Mjviva, PeterPanPYT and so on, lol.)
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 01:23:08 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol.........

Here I am! And I come bearing gifts  :woohoo2:

....and some

(I think I'm gonna start drinking straight outta the bottle soon  :icon_lol:)

Mind games....that should be the subtitle to this grand adventure.  The master mag-mind-funker of all-time is at the helm and I'm pretty sure we've 'been had' a few times already....and are in for some more mag-funking before this shindig is through.

I believe Mike is present in all the TII scenes, including the O2 clips.  Other than hoaxers, I think it was Joe who first suggested that there were impersonators in TII.  That statement, I'm sure, was planned...as was just about everything else that's come our way from the family.  It caused what it set out to do....cast doubt(s), raise suspicion, get people watchin' and talking....in a nutshell, it caused controversy (and we know who loves that!).

It just mirrors the discombobulation that has been caused throughout the hoax when trying to pinpoint Mike's whereabouts and doings lol.  The man can't be pinned down...he's everywhere and he's nowhere  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

But then again, all these 'mind games' were a part of Mike and his life prior to June 25th....his 'death' allowed him to take 'mind games' to a whole new level.  A level that has blown me away.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 02:16:58 PM
I don't know when  the movie theory was first brought up here but I know for sure we came to the same conclusion on the alive thread on the official site from the very beginning, I can't recall the exact time because the thread was deleted by the "police" there as disrespectful to the Jackson family.
It's true we had a (probably) fake Michael there too :suspect:.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 02:19:31 PM
Oh...about the "momment" note - I found it too on the net yesterday, when trying to find notes with Mike's handwritting. I don't think it's something "fishy" here.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 03:17:13 PM
[....]

as to those endless appearances of some officially non-doubles who behave in the worst traditions
of reverse psychology and, trying to convince us they are not MJ, convince us in the opposite --
it's just a monotonous, non-creative and boring circus. and I sincere hope this is not MJ is having
such a desperate genre crisis and lack of taste, but just some obsessed and non-original people,
whose own life in not bright enough.

(Sure, I don't mean sweet guys like Pablo, 7 Leachims, TMA, Mjviva, PeterPanPYT and so on, lol.)
oohh yeahhh !!!! :th_bravo:

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
It wasn’t me, it was MaryK  Official back & Front thread

Also Simpa and Bec, TS has twice redirected to Front’s post. If Front’s a fake, then so is TS.
The difficulty level for TS and Front and Back, all being fakes but the same person, exponentially makes this faker/troll an AMAZING genius!

hesouttamylife, this is the phonecall where MJ switches to his other voice.
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@Diggyon.... Why are you reading my mind? I was gonna post exactly that, what if all the Michaels in This is it are real Michael pretending be his own impersonators? and I go farther than that, what if in "Michael Album" all the songs are sang by Michael but impersonating his own voice? I think this could be "THE KEY OF THIS HOAX"
Tink explained in the Tupac hologram thread how they were able to use his voice patterns to make him say new words. So surely they can alter MJ’s voice to sound just like Jason Malachi’s. I think 'Michael' is all MJ.
I also don't think MJ would give a KEY role of announcing the 02 concerts to an impersonator/double. I think doubles are just used for filler/stunts/minor supporting roles. Every inch of MJ at 02 has been annalyzed :icon_lol: and he matches MJ 100% IMO!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 04:39:44 PM
 

"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the creator." Michael Jackson

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Re: MIND GAMES

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 05:11:43 PM

@Finfin:  ;D ;D tks for sharing! :bearhug:


@Genevieve:



Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol.........
You are confusing  :icon_lol: But only because I think  you're not far from the reality....which is confusing ! :icon_lol: on purpose! :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin:
Love ya!




 I just don't know what to think anymore..... :bowdown:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 05:33:10 PM
oh, must say, the hoax insiders became soooo bold lately!
love it ; )
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will YOU still care? will YOU be there??.. ah, well, sure... life is not a song...

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 06:15:39 PM
oh, must say, the hoax insiders became soooo bold lately!
love it ; )
the end is coming . . . :michael-jackson:

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 08:13:57 PM
This song's for you, SimPatty, Foreigner's Head Games:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63DL0QG7Ho4[/youtube]
Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
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:icon_e_biggrin: I agree with you Genevieve, that Front's just being straightforward, giving us encouragement, and we're the ones torturing ourselves with doubts.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
Oh ok I see, see I thought she was talking to front and TS...my bad  :icon_geek:
Do you give up yet?

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 11:32:42 PM
I know I am not contributing anything by posting this on this thread, so I hope you will forgive me, but I just can't stop CELEBRATING and LAUGHING and wanting to DANCE and yep, I do break out in song! 

So glad that our guardians did their magic to expand the site in time for BAM!!!!! Thank you!

Feel like there is still alot of work to do to spread the LOVE so the bliss from the kiss will dispell the dark forces, but hey we are mostly there!  Let's keep it up!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! :th_bravo:

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 18, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
I like Genevieve's use of the words 'limited edition'. Different facets of the one person for different time frames. We had Back, for that  specific time....now we have Front with us, until the next morph or reveal. That's why we should enjoy the momment while we are in it.  Thanks Genevieve. Give Front a big hug from all of us. 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 01:00:17 AM
Who decides how words are spelled anyway?
I'm definitely enjoying the momment too! :penguin:
MJ is and always has been a trendsetter, innovator, in so many ways.
Take 'shamone' for instance--it's an MJ word.
Urban Dictionary: Shamone

So from now on it's 'momment' for me!!

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Who decided how to spell the words that make up the English Language?

Answer:

There are no committees of academics, sitting in ivory towers in Oxford, Paris, Rome or Princeton, or anywhere else, entrusted with a final decision on whether a word is an acceptable, proper, or real, word. While there have been regular attempts worldwide to control language, to keep it 'pure', whatever that means, these attempts have never worked because, ultimately, the speakers of a language decide, and have the final say, on which words they consider to be words.

You decide which words are really words.

You and I everyone else using any language decide what its words mean, how they are pronounced and how they are spelled. You decide this simply by using those words: it's that simple.


When a word is used often enough, and by enough people, it'll be included in a dictionary. The contributors to, or publishers of, that dictionary first research how the word is spelled and pronounced, and how it is used, as well as where it came from and how it came to be used in its current form. This research involves finding instances of that word's usage in print and speech and can't be hurried: researchers don't just sit in in an office thinking a lot; they must get out and listen to the way people communicate.

Their research also applies to words which have been used for a long time but which have gained new meanings, or had their previous meanings altered.

Some words might've come into a language centuries ago with one meaning and then gained very different meanings at different times, without changing their spelling or pronunciation. Others change spelling or pronunciation, sometimes becoming nearly unrecognizable as the word which first entered the language. Have a look at the journey of the word 'nice' through the English language in the past seven centuries at the Online Etymology Dictionary, at the link below.

A word used in more than one way, but in similar senses, might be said or spelled differently depending on its usage; for example: 'He read a book'; 'He says he will read a book'. A word might also be pronounced differently in different geographical areas.

All this must be researched before a word, or changes to the definition of a word or to the description of its usage, is considered for inclusion in a reputable dictionary. Once this is done and the word has earned its place in a dictionary, the compilers of that dictionary must decided how to write its entry: how to define, describe and track its history. Then, eventually the word has its official place in the language.

But, before all this research and writing happens, the people - you and me - using the language have already decided how to spell, use, and pronounce the word. If a word isn't, or hasn't been, used by people speaking a language, it isn't a word in that language. We are the people who the word-technicians and analysts look to in order to discover which words are really words.

And once a word has gained sufficient popular or specialized usage to rate its inclusion in a dictionary, it will stay there forever, even if we stop using it. Once it's no longer popularly used it might be listed as 'archaic', or 'obsolete', or given some other description to indicate it isn't used in everyday speech. If it slips out of general usage and but it's usage continues in, say, a relatively small community, a little village or a tiny island, this will be reflected in revised dictionary entries.

When words alter their spelling and pronunciation between localities, this is explained in reputable dictionaries: many English words are listed to reflect differences between, for example, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, South African, UK and US usage. Dutch, French, Italian and Spanish are other examples of widely differing usage of the same language. It just depends on where you live: a person speaking Spanish in Africa, the Andes or Mexico speak, spell and pronounce it very differently to a person speaking Spanish in Spain, and within Spain - as in all other countries - there are regional languages which can be incomprehensible to Spaniards from other areas.

Lexicology:
A person whose profession is researching - studying - words is called a lexicologist; a person writing, compiling, or editing a dictionary, is called a lexicographer - inevitably they're the same person - 'ologist' means they're competent in a particular field of study; 'ographer' means they write about their particular field of competence.

These two words, lexicologist and lexicographer, are used interchangeably. I've used them in the way I have because that's my personal preference - it seems more logical to me; it feels right - the ultimate test of usage. This doesn't mean someone using the words the other way round is less, or more, correct than I am; it means two words which once had quite separate meanings now have, through usage, had the distinction between their meanings blurred. This is an example of how we change the language by the way we use it. I think it's a great thing, that we cannot be denied our complete, inalienable power over our own language!
Who decided how to spell the words that make up the English Language

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 01:14:21 AM
lol shamone made it to urban dictionary lloooollll  :thjajaja121:
Michael I so like you, sometimes you make me laugh like crazy!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 01:45:12 AM
oh, must say, the hoax insiders became soooo bold lately!
love it ; )
the end is coming . . . :michael-jackson:

hopefully Sim! Nowadays it seems like Michael is revealing piece by piece. We do not know what to expect another day, that mystery is soo good. He really knows how to keep us watching and wanting more.. :icon_bounce: Hope he is safe and most happy!  :bearhug:

@finfin..thank you for sharing!  :)

@MJonmind..interesting! thank you too!!  :icon_razz:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
This song's for you, SimPatty, Foreigner's Head Games:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63DL0QG7Ho4[/youtube]
Thank you Tink!  :bearhug:

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 03:32:08 PM
@RK....sorry but why you say to Genevieve " give Front a big hug " does this girl have any connection with MJ? I've checked her twitter and I haven't find any fishy tweet  :icon_question: :icon_question: :icon_question:
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 03:38:22 PM
@ sweetsunset - Genevieve is MJ's niece.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 03:42:25 PM
Oh... Andrea thank you I didn't know that  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 19, 2012, 03:45:47 PM
You're welcome. :)  There's a lot of Jacksons, lol, hard to keep track of them all sometimes.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 21, 2012, 11:49:01 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol.........

Here I am! And I come bearing gifts  :woohoo2:

....and some

(I think I'm gonna start drinking straight outta the bottle soon  :icon_lol:)

Mind games....that should be the subtitle to this grand adventure.  The master mag-mind-funker of all-time is at the helm and I'm pretty sure we've 'been had' a few times already....and are in for some more mag-funking before this shindig is through.

I believe Mike is present in all the TII scenes, including the O2 clips.  Other than hoaxers, I think it was Joe who first suggested that there were impersonators in TII.  That statement, I'm sure, was planned...as was just about everything else that's come our way from the family.  It caused what it set out to do....cast doubt(s), raise suspicion, get people watchin' and talking....in a nutshell, it caused controversy (and we know who loves that!).

It just mirrors the discombobulation that has been caused throughout the hoax when trying to pinpoint Mike's whereabouts and doings lol.  The man can't be pinned down...he's everywhere and he's nowhere  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

But then again, all these 'mind games' were a part of Mike and his life prior to June 25th....his 'death' allowed him to take 'mind games' to a whole new level.  A level that has blown me away.

Thank God for wine and filberts Wish!

:beerchug:

With L.O.V.E. always.

Here's to wine and filberts!.....thanks! I love the pictures...you're awesome! Yes, Mind Games indeed....just when I feel like my mind is stretched to it's limits......I stretch it more, lol........will it ever stop?  Nope......Even after BAM....so many thoughts and questions will arise.  It's a cycle of huge proportions......better get more nuts, I mean wine....heck nuts too! 

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Blessings & Hugs!!!!


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
hummm . . . .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2viloLcLaFI&feature=g-all-u&context=G28fd662FAAAAAWgASAA[/youtube]


THE CUBE . . .
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV-QFoXDRic&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 24, 2012, 03:19:20 AM
Well, I'll tell you, I'm not really satisfied with Pablo's explanation.  I didn't think the videos you posted earlier from him, showing him clearly, looked anything like the guy in the videos looking like MJ with the mask, and dancing so superbly.  Now I know nothing about this PPPYT except for the video of him saying people were thinking he sounded like MJ, way back.  This is all starting to smack of the same type situation as Jason Malachi's voice singing on 'Michael'.  Some of you might remember the late night silliness that went where JM was saying he was hired by Sony, then that he was hacked and more.  We were dying laughing.  I think MJ's up to  tricks, and I don't think we should just dismiss this away so quickly.  I also remember way back when we had conversations with Dave Dave, and he started getting all defensive, making snarkey remarks, and then finally pulled his account off.  DD posted that goofy pic of himself with the 3 eyes, saying something about that we are living in strange interesting times. It clearly was the real DD, and not the one who interview Larry King, we know was MJ. This was way back in 2010 I think.



I think it's the same pattern all over again. Dave Dave, Jason Cupeta (Malachi), and now Pablo, and PPPYT.

And Pearl Jr. might be giving us hints. She certainly has broadcasted our site name as being associated with Pablo (Sofurgofromashes).

There is something going on... :animal0017:  Number one suspect  :michael-jackson:

Found this pic, isn't he cute?  MJ's yanking us around like we're a yo-yo... :Crash:


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 24, 2012, 03:50:50 AM
Well, I'll tell you, I'm not really satisfied with Pablo's explanation.  I didn't think the videos you posted earlier from him, showing him clearly, looked anything like the guy in the videos looking like MJ with the mask, and dancing so superbly.  Now I know nothing about this PPPYT except for the video of him saying people were thinking he sounded like MJ, way back.  This is all starting to smack of the same type situation as Jason Malachi's voice singing on 'Michael'.  Some of you might remember the late night silliness that went where JM was saying he was hired by Sony, then that he was hacked and more.  We were dying laughing.  I think MJ's up to  tricks, and I don't think we should just dismiss this away so quickly.  I also remember way back when we had conversations with Dave Dave, and he started getting all defensive, making snarkey remarks, and then finally pulled his account off.  DD posted that goofy pic of himself with the 3 eyes, saying something about that we are living in strange interesting times. It clearly was the real DD, and not the one who interview Larry King, we know was MJ. This was way back in 2010 I think.



I think it's the same pattern all over again. Dave Dave, Jason Cupeta (Malachi), and now Pablo, and PPPYT.

And Pearl Jr. might be giving us hints. She certainly has broadcasted our site name as being associated with Pablo (Sofurgofromashes).

There is something going on... :animal0017:  Number one suspect  :michael-jackson:

Found this pic, isn't he cute?  MJ's yanking us around like we're a yo-yo... :Crash:



yes Mjonmind, so many Michael`s - like..there must be a reason for all of that. Maybe to start people thinking deeper, to fuel hoax train, after all, almost 3 years are quite long time, so from time to time there should be some "surprise" to discover and keep people thinking and searching..

btw that picture you posted is soo cute!!  :icon_bounce:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 25, 2012, 01:09:36 PM
ok, im kinda slow here.

so u guys think that this tweet from mj's niece is a shout out to us? i mean the tweet is deregatory for me. but u think that at least it is a shout out to us? that they actually read this forum.

btw, i love how u guys share the tweets of the jacksons and how we relate them to the hoax:)

there are a lot of jacksons but i think the important people whose tweets we should read are jermaine, janet, the j3 (blanket does not have a twitter account, right?), maybe some of the nephews and nieces (but i observe that paris is actually close to genevieve based on their twitter activity recently). does la toya have twitter?
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 25, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Confusion that leads to confusion which is totally confusing   :screaming-7365:  :Pulling_hair:
MJ playing his own impersonators, enigmatic talks by some like Pablo who might be Michale as well ! ! ! !  I don't know whom to believe and what to believe ! !

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 25, 2012, 04:58:03 PM
ok, im kinda slow here.

so u guys think that this tweet from mj's niece is a shout out to us? i mean the tweet is deregatory for me. but u think that at least it is a shout out to us? that they actually read this forum.

btw, i love how u guys share the tweets of the jacksons and how we relate them to the hoax:)

there are a lot of jacksons but i think the important people whose tweets we should read are jermaine, janet, the j3 (blanket does not have a twitter account, right?), maybe some of the nephews and nieces (but i observe that paris is actually close to genevieve based on their twitter activity recently). does la toya have twitter?
hi cookie, yes, LaToya has Twitter, too.
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: May 08, 2012, 04:58:18 PM



BEING MICHAEL JACKSON or THE MASS IDENTITY CRISIS

Posted by truenewszone on October 12, 2010

Massimo Believe's Photos | Facebook

Considering that no human under the sun (sound in mind) would wish to try Mr. Jackson’s shoes on, everyone under the sun wants to fathom: how does it feel Being Michael Jackson? The article gives an exclusive attention through this existentialistic matter.

CYBERNETIC GHOSTS OF MICHAEL JACKSON: NEVER TOO MUCH
People are stupid.
Why would Michael Jackson be in a chat-room?
Don’t you think he’d be a little busy?
BEING DEAD!!!” (c) Childhood

Given the fact that Mr. Jackson is temporary dead and admittedly rests in peace, a good many Michaels Jacksons made a practice of daily web surfing and blog updating. If you happen to search for a person named “Michael Jackson” on myspace, facebook or any other social tool, you will get 500 + of Michael Jackson (apart from Peter Pans, Appleheads, Jokers etc.) you are welcome to make friends with. Since the attainment of da truth 100-th Michael Jackson on our friend-list we’ve been flirting with an idea of an open competition to rank the most Michael Jackson’s Michael Jackson of any Michaels Jacksons climb to be the most Michael Jackson’s Michael Jackson of all the time.

Although we are something worried with the fact that 100-th Michael Jackson committed web-suicide shortly afterwards we had dedicated to him our status-comment. Rest in Peeace, Michael!
We still hope that he has made it for his personal reasons, not because of our killing humor. Anyway, even though there are just 499+ Michael Jacksons to go, they breed with a demonic speed, out-rivaling in authenticity one another. Therefore, the question naturally suggests itself: what, after all, does it amount to?
Does it amount to the fact that Сybernetic Ghost of Michael Jackson still cannot find peace?

Does it amount to the fact that Mr. Jackson’s PR service WORK and PLAY do their work well producing virtual Michaels Jacksons for fans to adore and believe in?
Does it amount to the fact that At least one of those MySpaces belongs to real Mr. Jackson?
Does it amount to the fact that We deal with the sort of “BEING MICHAEL JACKSON” syndrome?
Analyzing this Land of Michael and honey, we drop to remark we are in sympathy with an idea that Too Much Money Michael Jackson Is Never Enough. We are also inclined to believe he sees that with the same eye.


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: May 10, 2012, 05:10:24 PM


ANALYZE THIS.
MICHAEL JACKSON’S MARKETING VIRUS

X for HOAX - TNZ: TRUE NEWS ZONE
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Analyze this. Michael Jackson's marketing virus.

Every morning, with every duty-approving of every next request of every next Michael Jackson we guard hardly against temptation to have a little bit of Michael Jackson’s Being. To pluck a couple of claps from his ovation, to chance the very luck to take an inch from miles of love words addressed to his majesty. No stricture, no reprobation, we take just a philosophical approach to these expressive symbols of MASS IDENTITY CRISIS.
However, with exploratory drive we do dive into reflections about the true inwardness of the phenomenon. Why does the world keep on simulating of formally gone too soon Mr. Jackson so childishly and in no other manner? By forging his signature and wearing his face? The world is apparently missing Mr. Jackson.
The question is: Does Mr. Jackson miss the World?

So how many people will share their love to the 1 virtual Michael Jackson? 10 000? How many will share love to 100 of Michaels Jacksons? A Million? This elementary mathematics makes us see cloning of Michaels Jacksons inside WWW as a nontrivial marketing hook. Michael Jackson becomes a marketing virus, not a human being. At the same time, the quick grounds of human nature suppose illimitable belief in supernatural. On the one hand, people take it quite reasonably: web Michael Jackson COULD NOT BE Michael Jackson the one, but on the other hand, somewhere deep inside they still hope WHY NOT? They keep on sending friend requests to every fishy Michael Jackson on the web. This insuperable existentialistic contradictions and unreasonable faith (akin to religiosity) is an ideal incubator for propagation of Michael Jackson’s virus. Emphatically, the marketing one.

However, in spite of prolific half-year for Mr. Jackson’s sock-puppets, in real life affairs are actually trending otherwise. Overwhelming majority of multi-million Mr. Jackson’s fans’ army denies blankly his existing and therefore are not psychologically ready for his resurrection. Even with the most optimistic assumptions proportion of so-called hoax-believers does not exceed 5% of the whole audience. So we do admit the fact that there are no such tutorial like “HOAX FOR DUMMIES or DEATH FAKING STEP BY STEP”. Even taken this, it is quite clear, that there is no time left to “WORK AND PLAY” because that is the time, when you hardly need to “WORK AND WORK”. So if the HOAX PRESS SERVICE will keep flubbing they work as obstinately as they did before, it will be necessary to scrap the date of returning. That would be precisely the most evil solution because even a perfectly warmed-up audience tends to cool down.

PANDEMIA. SYMPTOMS
We are all bogus.
I just proved my point again.
People will believe ANYTHING.
I am not Michael Jackson.
This was an experiment.
I am sorry if I hurt anyone.
(scarecrow1958 , October 23rd)


Since June 25th we have been up for against global Michael Jackson virus pandemic.

Virus characteristic:

1. Believing nothing – questioning everything (even an obvious fact).
2. Believing everything – questioning nothing (even an obvious crap).
3. Lack of sense of humor.
4. Brain softening as a result of obsession to find
Michael Jackson virtual or alive (“dead” is below beneath).

The purposes of the search are remarkably manifold: to take an autograph, to shake his hand, to share bursting love and friendship, to shoot him make a picture, to marry him and iron his t-shirts, to sign up to work for/with him or anything else to do with 15 years old poly-capable eccentric that you could ever freak out fancy.

Still the cardinal symptom is little green men hallucinations. The infected patient is getting to see Mr. Jackson’s features in every object of reality. Let’s follow the splitting of consciousness’s logic.
“Those 500 Michaels Jacksons could not be Michael Jackson, because he is really tired and wants to hide. If he decided to come here, he’d disguise oneself. The real Michael Jackson wouldn’t have written in his profile, that he is 51 years old male, living in Encino, CA, being an artist earning more than 23 000 a year, who is here for dating and serious relationship. The real Michael – Master of Disguise – would introduce himself as another person. For example, as a Japanese girl, or German beer-lover, or a 35-year old woman, anyway… something like these: Samantha or Sandra. Oh, did you ever? Is it possible that Sandra is Michael Jackson?!? Sandra… Oh, where is Sandra? Sandra, come back!!!”
Then cankered mind deceives itself that itundeceives itself: “On the other side, there are so many Michaels Jacksons that there is no danger in coming here in the guise of Michael Jackson and no one would pay attention to him. So… it may well be that one of my Michaels Jacksons is the real Michael Jackson? But which one is???!!!”.

COLOR ME JACKSON

It was never meant to be funny.
I just wanted to see how gullable people can really be.
You all should know that Michael
would never post on a public blog.
That just isn’t his way of doing things.
I know because I have been a fan for 20 years.
Anyone can come on here and say they’re Michael,
and people would believe it.
(scarecrow1958, October 23rd)

Everyone’s involved condition aggravates to a delirious ravings and imagination fever. Moreover, already unreal web reality is coming into virtual distortion. You fore-treat every user as Michael Jackson; every user fore-treats you as Michael Jackson either. You do see Michael Jackson in every user; every user does see Michael Jackson in you as well. Worn out by catch-me-if-you-can mania you both noose each other. You’re attempting to please Michael Jackson inside your virtual interlocutor. They’re attempting to satisfy your inner adorable Michael Jackson the one. Everyone tries to worm oneself into everyone’s confidence, everyone applies mysterious meanings to partner’s words, everyone implies something, but keeps conspiracy. Identity crisis mercilessly blanket communities, forums and chats all over the web. Paranoiac crypto-mania splits cleavable society of afterlife believers into many more cleavable societies of paranormal creeps.
Everyone becomes the insider in another’s inflamed imagination. Everyone is involved in a plot.
There’s a smack of the Joker in everyone.
THERE IS SOMETHING OF MICHAEL JACKSON IN EVERYBODY.

Therefore, Michael Jackson’s circulation is escalating with every new virus carrier. Isn’t it great? We think it is. That’s the great marketing decision. That’s the great promotional ploy. Mr. Jackson gives everyone an exclusive opportunity to try his own shoes on. Well, what to say…They are TOO KING SIZE Everyone can wear it.
EVERYONE CAN BE MICHAEL JACKSON for the moment.

But, first and foremost, that all is one of the secret keys to the inner world of exceptionally interesting artist who has not achieved, by all appearances, his full potential yet.
Though while everybody’s trying Mr. Jackson’s shoes on…
While everybody’s trying to be Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson has an exclusive opportunity deadly dreamt by every king disguised to blend into the crowd.

While EVERYBODY’S BEING MICHAEL JACKSON,
Michael Jackson has an exclusive ever opportunity to know
HOW DOES IT FEEL
BEING
EVERYBODY.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: May 10, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Confusion that leads to confusion which is totally confusing   :screaming-7365:  :Pulling_hair:
MJ playing his own impersonators, enigmatic talks by some like Pablo who might be Michale as well ! ! ! !  I don't know whom to believe and what to believe ! !

@ Michael


Please Mr. Jackson, have mercy on our nerves ! !  :bowdown:  :bowdown:



Hey! where'd you get that picture of me in my Hoax suit ????  :thjajaja121: ha ha  :thjajaja121: This is getting to be layers and layers of embedded confusion! It makes ya want to SCREAM!  :screaming-7365: and...do this: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo: :th_bravo:
ONLY Believe...