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MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:09:11 PM
Do we know who we are?
Do we trust too much?
Do we doubt too much?
Do we think enough?
Do we search enough?
Do we ask enough questions?
Are things as we think they are?
Is the reality we live in OUR reality or SOMEONE ELSE's reality?
Are we truly free ?
Do we have control or are we controlled?
Did we learn enough?
Are we still manipulated and used? Do we allow that without knowing it?
Are we listening?
Are we watching or are we being watched?
Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

Do we know what the purpose of this death hoax is?

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:37:59 PM

Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

We're playing those mind games together
pushing the barriers planting seeds...
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will YOU still care? will YOU be there??.. ah, well, sure... life is not a song...

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:44:58 PM
In the past (almost) 3 years, we've been witnessing to a wide range of human behaviors in the virtual world, especially HoaxLand: identity thieves ----> fakers, posers, frauds, impersonators, liars, "Gamers", mind F_ _ _ rs (sorry!), double/triple accounts, stalkers, etc....

Whether we were on Youtube, twiter, Facebook, blogs or forums, I think we've all experienced IT = Identity Theft   ----> This is IT !!

The question is: which ones were random crazy people pretending to be someone they're not, and which ones were "plants" purposely put there probably by Michael himself.... to teach us something??

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 07:56:21 PM
On The one hand we have MJ-fakers, but on the other hand there are also those who play pretend to be fans or beLIEvers!!!
To tell you the truth: I feel pitty for the ones that fall in the 1st category, but I feel rather scared about the second category!!
Who are these people??

Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??


WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FAKES AROUND US???

Really...can't we trust anyone anymore???



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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
Hey Simpa.....it does indeed seem to be a jungle out there. I haven't come across this too much probably because I haven't had the desire, let alone the  time to spend a great deal of time anywhere else other than on this site. For me, there is safety here, as Souza and her mods run this house with all diligence and proficiency. And when questionable behavior arises, they are on to it rather swiftly. It makes me feel safe as I should do , cause this is like home to me, I have been a virtual resident here for just about 3 years.  I don't understand people who get off on decieving others and pretending to be Michael online. I guess they do it because they can and obviously have no life of their own worth living.
now as to these questions....

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Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??
YES...to all of the above.  "THEY" are watching too.


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 16, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
I've oft wondered if I wasn't caught up in Groundhog Day. Donny Darko would be much worse!
Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
[...] For me, there is safety here, as Souza and her mods run this house with all diligence and proficiency. And when questionable behavior arises, they are on to it rather swiftly. It makes me feel safe as I should do , cause this is like home to me, I have been a virtual resident here for just about 3 years. [...]
Tks for your comment RK.
Regarding what you said in this paragraph quoted here ^^ I don't know... I wouldn't feel so safe anywhere!
After all... Internet is Internet! Anyone can be behind a nice ID which does NOT necessarily behave suspiciously! on the contrary!
Those who openly pose as Michael are the least dangerous! I am more concerned with the "infiltrated" ones, those who act normal! I've recently read something on this and it really left me thinking!!
The admins of this forum sure do a great job for keeping this forum safer than other web places, but I wouldn't make the mistake of feeling too safe just because of that! Just think about the times this forum has been hacked and how many use proxies...some IPs are detectable, some not! SO .... you NEVER know, you just NEVER know who "plays" around here!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:42:52 AM
I guess that's when we've got to go with our gut, our own discernment. You know... the advice from the good book....be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves. I think you can still be gentle without being gullible....with this one exception. If I ever found Dimond or Sneddon here under proxy...then I'd go all ninja on them. Been wanting to bitch slap that evil for a long long time. 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:09:58 AM
On The one hand we have MJ-fakers, but on the other hand there are also those who play pretend to be fans or beLIEvers!!!
To tell you the truth: I feel pitty for the ones that fall in the 1st category, but I feel rather scared about the second category!!
Who are these people??

Why do they infiltrate among us, playing the role of "fans" and "beLIEvers"?
Could they be "planted" among us by TPTB? or by the media??
Did they catch up on our investigations?? Are they spying on us?
Do they want to get info from us? Or MISINFORM us?? Lead us the wrong way??


WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FAKES AROUND US???

Really...can't we trust anyone anymore???



Indeed....great posts here about fakers.  I love this picture you have here Sim......it fascinates me to no end.  Why just one Macaulay Culkin?  And that one MJ with almost a priestly look about him?  Strange for sure, but really awesome. 
Yeah....I have always wondered about the the true numbers of the forum......non-fakers, real people here.  I have felt for a along time, that number is actually fairly small.  So, I don't know what to say really....except, hold on tight because this hoax could go in any direction, lol.  Thanks for posting this pic....love it.  It's so fitting....and just plain cool : )  It actually reminds of the post about Magic Eye art...I posted about it a while ago.  I have always thought it would be incorporated somehow....it's just fun optical illusional art.   There is also The Magic Eye Theater in the Magic Kingdom at Disneyland......Captain EO was there.

Magic Eye Theater | Around Disney 

and this magic eye:

michael jackson magic eye | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Here is my original post about it:

TIAI March 9


Me and art...LOL. 

Hope you are doing well.......
blessings always to you!

LOVE

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:16:07 AM

Are we players in this game of life or are we being the ones played?

We're playing those mind games together
pushing the barriers planting seeds...

Hi pikatchu.. more quotes from the song "Mind Games", by John  Lennon

....."playin' the mind guerilla...
chantin' the mantra .. peace on earth"

" love is a flower
.. you gotta let it.. you gotta let it grow.."

 :compute:  L.O.V.E x
 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 03:29:00 AM
The hoax is a giant mind game after all.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 04:44:26 AM
Thanks Simpa for all the interesting videos!  This is one reason I have enjoyed this hoax so much.  I've loved playing this 'game' for the most part--trying to figure out who/what is good/bad, real/fake, true/false, friend/foe, related/unrelated, and on and on.  Since June 25,09, this has kept me up countless nights thinking/going over every detail, aching to get back here while at work or anywhere else.  It is just sheer mental challenge/stimulation and I have absolutely loved it--just living by sheer love for MJ, drive, wits and intuition.  Sure I've made lots of mistakes, reconsidered some things, felt frustrated and sick over some things, but for the most part have felt like I was in heaven. I feel so blessed to have 'accidentally' come upon this forum way back, and it ended up being the best! :woohoo2:

The thing is--I can look back over my whole life, and see where so MUCH of the world around me, has been all kinds/levels of mind games/deception/fakes/lies.  This hoax is simply that we are allowed to actually address these issues and examine everything closely.  I've felt like THIS is the real thing, while much of the rest is mind games, that everyone else thinks is real. Does that make sense?

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 08:39:31 AM
This is a good recent example of 'their" latest "game" (kind of reminds me of that "MjVIVA" >:( )

Thanks to @thea.panina for posting this on the thread: Who is this

This are their newest jokes:

Message From Michael Jackson 2012 - YouTube

Michael Jackson - "Loves Conrad Murray" May 26, 2009 RECORDED - YouTube

They also say that Bruce Jackson is Michael Jackson (search for Bruce Jackson songs on youtube). For me he does not sound like Michael.
"They"= fake Michael (kfcmane) and helper  (appleheadlives=Jorden). The second video I don't know whether Jorden has made it but he is in the commentors, so he must be involve.

 :WTF: Soon this chat will be a pornclub with minors. Shame the esatate is doing nothing about this. The fake Michael shows in slomo how Michael grabs his crotch and that is how he starts in the room with the female guests. There are children here too ! (under 15)

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 09:06:01 AM
The main problem and the main questions is: why are people so prone to falling for fakes?
What about common sense and gut feeling?
I understand how they get started on that in the first place (might happen to me as well) but how they get hung up on that....I just don´t get it.
Isn´t that what often happens in real life also? Not just in hoaxland. No matter what the subject is, there´s always someone who follows blindly. Well not just someone but a lot of people.
Guess society is spoiled big time and the ability to question things/people is down the drain.
Seems so comfortable to stick to precast opinions and images served on a silver platter.

But hey...that´s why we should consider ourselves lucky to be here. Gaining awareness.
You and I were never separate

It's just an illusion

Wrought by the magical lens of Perception



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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 09:18:30 AM
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Indeed....great posts here about fakers.  I love this picture you have here Sim......it fascinates me to no end.  Why just one Macaulay Culkin?  And that one MJ with almost a priestly look about him?  Strange for sure, but really awesome.
Hi Wishy!  :icon_e_smile: Thanks for those links on MagicEye, the first time I've read about this...
I don't know what that sole pic of Macaulay Culkin means nor the "priestly" one  :icon_lol: I just found the pic with my good ol' friend Mr. Google :icon_e_biggrin:
But now that you asked.... kind of intrigues me too! lol


Yeah....I have always wondered about the the true numbers of the forum...
non-fakers, real people here. 
I have felt for a along time, that number is actually fairly small.
I think so too!



This forum is full of "colors" as far as its members are concerned! Really a "rainbow" of users around here...
- some are real fans, curious and wandering...
- some are true beLIEvers (fans or non-fans), looking for answers, searching, sharing infos, etc...
- some are fake fans and/or fake beLIEvers, spying, watching and most of them show up and post only when there is trouble! like they're enjoying the scandals or something...
- some are clones of other users from the categories already mentioned ^^
- some are probably "plants" put here either MJ himself or by the ones on "other side" (TPTB and/or the media)

 So far for the members! But what about the "guests" or "visitors"!! ?  :icon_e_wink:

11.351.927 visitors !!??  :icon_eek:



I've seen that some of our members posted photos of themselves or even their families... I don't judge them..... but I'd like to say that if I were them , I wouldn't do that!!
 How do we know who is collecting all these info about us??
How do we know what these people DO or might do with all this info about us?? (before OR after the BAM!!!)
We are truly in a vulnerable position anywhere on the Internet, especially if we expose ourselves that easily.
I don't want to accuse anyone of anything... but just think of what Pearl Jr. does with info gathered from all beLIEvers around here and there... Writing and selling books/DVDs, etc... At least she goes public and shows herself and shows what she does and how she does it!!
But have you thought for a second of all those 11 million "visitors"?? Do you think they are ALL just nice, well intended people?? have you thought that maybe some of them do the same , but much worse? and we don't even have a clue about that?


I wish you all much LOVE and especially SAFE WEB-SURFING!




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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 10:53:12 AM
@Simpa.... I think "IMissYouAll09 is the impersonator used for the mugshot, what do you think??

So if there are so many fakers on line, is it possible that Front is a faker and his handwritten notes were not real?? so no mini-BAM  :-\
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
I would surely like to have one of those MJ clone masks  :LolLolLolLol: 
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:16:57 AM
@Simpa.... I think "IMissYouAll09 is the impersonator used for the mugshot, what do you think??

So if there are so many fakers on line, is it possible that Front is a faker and his handwritten notes were not real?? so no mini-BAM  :-\
I don't know if "IMissYouAll09" was used or not... But I think that Michael has been using doubles for years to trick and escape from the harassing paparazzi. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, we will have his confirmation that he has used doubles for this hoax too.

Regarding your question about Front : yes , he could be a faker. At this point .... I beLIEve anyhting is possible.
If Front is a faker, then I must highlight the following differences as compared to the rest of the fakers out there:
- he sure lasted longer than any other fakers and fooled not only the members of this forum, but also the admins (unless of course, we must assume that maybe the admins allowed him to play his mind-games here, for whatever reasons!)
- he's the only one being verified by subtle family twits. The most recent example? Well we all know Back used to say "it's not a comeback, it's a take over", then recently Front also said "we're takin' over" in one of his messages, coincidence or not, Jaafar and Paris also posted on their tweeter this phrase "we're takin' over". See here: Official back & Front thread
 This is just one of the long row of "coincidences" like this!

Well then in this case, we have 2 options of what to beLIEve about Front:
1.  either the family-twits are clearly validating both Back & Front!
2. either the family is mocking the faker! by imitating and repeating his phrases.
^^ In this case, it means that the members of this forum are double-FOOLED (mind-GamED !): once by the faker and twice by the family who shows signs of knowing what's going on here.

In the end .... being aware of all the risks/implications of this "game", I think the choice belongs to each one of us: TRUST or NOT ; TO BELIEVE or TO DOUBT

I choose to trust Front and the family twits.
If in the end I'll discover I made the wrong choice, then at least I know from this very moment that it was all worth the FUN! / adventure!  :icon_lol:
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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
@Simpa...I appreciate your explanation but in one of the videos you have posted, it says that we shouldn't believe Michael's children will appear on twitter but I am reading and studying their tweets everyday, I have verified that their twitter accounts are real as they have the blue sign of "verified". 
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
@Simpa...I appreciate your explanation but in one of the videos you have posted, it says that we shouldn't believe Michael's children will appear on twitter but I am reading and studying their tweets everyday, I have verified that their twitter accounts are real as they have the blue sign of "verified".
You're talking about this video : *READ INFO* The posers/fakers involving Michael Jackson's kids Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson - YouTube

Check the date, it was posted in January 2010 on YT. Since that date, the family accounts have been verified , at least Paris's twitter account has been verified by Paris and Latoya in  a video if I can remember well. Nevertheless, what is said in that video ^^ remains true! there are still so many fakers out there on twitter, YT, FB pretending to be Paris or other family members.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:43:59 AM
If Front could predict a missing N in two locations which he could not possibly manipulate without being involved (Official Facebook and Prosecution's own powerpoint presentation) weeks and months ahead of time and he is NOT for real, then he is the world's most gifted psychic... and I don't believe in psychic abilities.

So not only can he predict a missing letter, but he also can copy the exact style of a colorful, unique, and full of intimate knowledge username that was posting on the biggest fan forum in existence 4 years prior to the hoax, post after post after post for months now without slipping character... he also can copy, exactly, down to the smallest detail, MJ's handwriting, fluently, word after word, writing in full sentences.

So if Front were a fake, then we have the world's best psychic impersonator forger in the house.

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
@Simpa...@Bec... Thank you guys, I can breathe now !!! I agree with you both about the twitter accounts and Front. Our Front is not fake and Michael is alive   :woohoo2:
I WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE!!

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
Does anybody see the irony in Michael being a fake Michael?  We have talked about him "using" impersonators in this hoax......I suppose I need to stop and really think about that statement, lol.  In what sense is he truly "using" an impersonator.  Is it an impersonator like we think...another guy just dressed like him?  Or.......is it the notion of an impersonator being used by Michael himself......he could be is his own best impersonator and nobody would be the wiser.  I remember we have talked about him being his own best double...but did he really do that?  I think someone here a long time ago,  said something to the affect that Michael could probably walk out in public and nobody would believe it's him, because to the world, MJ is dead.  LOL......it would seem very MJ.......Ugg.....my head hurts!
However, the true irony comes in thinking about the world's most impersonated entertainer, now doing his own impersonation of himself.  Michael doing MJ as Mike sort of thing..........OK BeTheChange....where are ya girl.....? 
I need those filberts and wine.......the merlot keeps taunting me  :Pulling_hair:  :icon_lol:
All I can do is laugh at times......just go with it.  It will be OK....won't it :icon_eek:  :suspect: :icon_lol:
Yes it will......

Blessings Always

*I hope I wasn't too confusing, lol......... 

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Re: MIND GAMES

  • on: April 17, 2012, 02:05:41 PM
Wishingstar I agree with this and it so reminds me of him on the telephone with someone, I forget, but anyway at first he was talking and really cool until he apparently got a little concerned that the caller was a fake.  He put the phone down for a minute and then came back in another voice as a different person.  It's on Youtube somewhere.  Funniest thing ever.  So of course, its very possible that Michael fakes being Michael.  I know if it were me, I certainly would.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

 

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