Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012

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Trell said he never saw the emails from Phillips directing people to exclude images from TII of MJ looking "skeletal" while rehearsing.

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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

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Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

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Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

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Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

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Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

To be honest the first time I saw ABC7 Courts News twitter account I found it very fishy specially when I saw that so conveniently placed number 7 it was like a Michael' shoutout telling us: "worry not although not televised trial I'll keep you all updated"  :icon_lol: I always though Michael is behind it although of course I can't reassure it.
BTW Front keeps on hinting he is Back ➡ @frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-). Time of revelations IMO  :icon_e_wink:
This is great!  I hadn't even thought of the 'back' included, when I tweeted in there. I'm so slow... :icon_lol:

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 AEG Did Not Conduct Background Check On Jackson’s Doctor Lawyer

LOS ANGELES (AP) — AEG Live LLC did not conduct any background checks or supervise the doctor who was later convicted of killing Michael Jackson, a corporate attorney testified Tuesday in a lawsuit claiming the concert promoter was negligent in hiring the physician.

AEG Live General Counsel Shawn Trell told jurors that no legal or financial checks were done involving Conrad Murray or anyone else who worked as an independent contractor on the “This Is It” shows.

Jackson’s mother Katherine is suing AEG claiming it failed to properly investigate Murray, who was deeply in debt when he agreed to serve as Jackson’s tour physician in 2009 for $150,000 a month.

Trell said he thought a background check would be appropriate for people working in financial roles, but not tour personnel who weren’t employees of AEG.

Murray’s employment status is a central issue in the case. Katherine Jackson’s lawyers contend he was hired by AEG, but the company denies it hired him and notes the singer died before signing the doctor’s contract.

Trell also acknowledged while testifying that numerous people in the company knew of concerns that Jackson’s health was declining.

Five days before Jackson died, AEG Live CEO Randy Phillips alerted the promoter’s parent company that Jackson had missed a rehearsal and didn’t appear to be ready for his comeback concerts.

“We have a real problem here,” Phillips wrote in the message to the CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group.

Trell agreed with a statement by plaintiff’s attorney Brian Panish that company executives knew by then there was a “deep issue” with Jackson.

Trell also said he continued discussions with an insurance broker about additional coverage to recoup AEG Live’s investment if the tour had to be canceled.

Hours after Phillips sent the warning email, attorney John Branca, who later became co-executor of Jackson’s estate, offered to enlist a spiritual and substance abuse specialist to help Jackson, according to an email shown in court.On that same day, Phillips and others met with Jackson and Murray at the singer’s home.

Hours later, Phillips sent an email to tour director Kenny Ortega telling him not to worry. Ortega had expressed grave concerns about Jackson.

“This doctor is extremely successful — we check everyone out — and he does not need this gig so he (is) totally unbiased and ethical,” Phillips wrote.Panish called Phillips’ statement “a flat out lie” and asked Trell whether he agreed with it or if it signified how AEG did business. Trell said he didn’t know what Phillips thought he knew when he wrote the message.

“I know this statement is not accurate, but you’d have to speak with Mr. Phillips about what he thought or meant in saying it,” Trell said.

Phillips is listed as a potential witness in the case, and Trell said he expects him to testify later in the trial.

Outside court, AEG’s attorney Marvin S. Putnam declined comment on the email or Panish’s characterization of it.

Trell also said on Tuesday that no one at AEG supervised or monitored Murray, who was convicted in 2011 of administering a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to Jackson.

Trell is considered the most knowledgeable person on numerous issues involving the shows, including contracts and Jackson’s health. He has not yet been questioned by AEG’s trial lawyers.

Earlier in the day, Trell revised previous testimony in which he told jurors that tour director Ortega worked on “This Is It” without a contract.

The lawyer said Monday that Ortega worked under an agreement forged through a series of emails but didn’t have a signed contract.

On Tuesday, he told jurors he was mistaken, and Ortega did have a contract. The agreement was signed in April and included three pages of legal text and several pages of emails laying out the terms.

Trell said he had been reminded of Ortega’s agreement by AEG’s trial attorneys.


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/21/lawyer-aeg-did-not-conduct-background-check-on-jacksons-doctor/

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Also, this is an interesting 'coincidence'.  And email from Ortega, where in the first sentence he says "Front" and then an 'n' is dropped in the word 'and'.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts8m
Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical"

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts8m
Email: ...weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts6m
Email: causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety a d obsessive-like behavior.

ABC7 Court News@ABC7Courts6m
Email:  I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP."


(I'd like to know who's behind this twitter account, lol)

I think i have an idea :moonwalk_:  :icon_lol:

@Drawn2Painting: @frontback777 interesting... Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
"Trouble at the Front" ... :p


@frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-)

To be honest the first time I saw ABC7 Courts News twitter account I found it very fishy specially when I saw that so conveniently placed number 7 it was like a Michael' shoutout telling us: "worry not although not televised trial I'll keep you all updated"  :icon_lol: I always though Michael is behind it although of course I can't reassure it.
BTW Front keeps on hinting he is Back ➡ @frontback777: @Drawn2Painting Worry not! "Trouble at the Front" is Backlogged. ;-). Time of revelations IMO  :icon_e_wink:
This is great!  I hadn't even thought of the 'back' included, when I tweeted in there. I'm so slow... :icon_lol:

Well if that account really belongs to our Front the fact that he names it frontback777 says it all, IMO  :icon_rolleyes:
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So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

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So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

 :D It's funny !!
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Some tweets from today:

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts32m
Before we detail everything that happened in court today, we'll describe the events that happened late afternoon when Trell testified

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Jackson's attorney showed emails between attorneys high-up within AEG and AEG Live referring to Michael Jackson as "freak" and "creepy".

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This ema exchange happened hours before Shawn Trell went to MJ's house to sign the contract on January 28, 2009,

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"Does this mean you get to meet the freak?" Ted Fikre, AEG's general counsel wrote to Shawn Trell.

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Shawn Trell answered: "Apparently. Not sure how I feel about that. Interesting for sure, but kind of creepy."

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Jackson's attorney Brian Panish had this reaction outside court: "This exemplifies AEG had no respect for Mr. Jackson.

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Panish cont'd: "All he was to them was a vehicle to make money."

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Panish cont'd: We're going to continue to prove that for members of the board and attorneys to refer to him as that is disgraceful"

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Panish cont'd: we're going continue to show and prove what AEG is all about. This was just the tip of the iceberg."



Pretty crazy stuff.  Unbelievably disrespectful if this is a completely legit email.  Even if this is part of a hoax script, it shows how some people spoke of and treated Michael in the music industry and the media.  And if this was a real email, I wonder if Trell felt badly about it after meeting Michael because he had testified that when he met him - "He popped up, came over, introduced himself, was very cordial, there was a real positive energy, good vibe in the room."  ( https://twitter.com/ABC7Courts/status/337002647225790464 ) 

The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"

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The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"

Exactly, I thought the same after reading the updates.

Trell returns to the stand in the morning to undergo more questioning from Panish. "I’ll see you in the morning," he brusquely told Trell.
@mccartneyAP 17m

Some of the jurors laughed. Judge sustained the objection that Panish's question was argumentative.
@mccartneyAP 17m

Panish: "Did your mom ever tell you that if you don’t have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all?" AEG objected to the question.
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Panish to Trell: "This is the kind of respect that your lawyer shows to this artist, referring to him as a freak?"
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The "freak" comment made me think of Ghosts, when the mayor ("society") becomes the demon (that's inside him) and is talking into the mirror. "Who's scary now? Who's the freak now freaky boy? Who's weird now?"
Yes :icon_e_geek:
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Panish: "Did your mom ever tell you that if you don’t have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all?" AEG objected to the question.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJUP1UU6gok[/youtube]

It also reminded me of the many around MJ and in the industry that used/use the N word still. MJ said Mattola used it, and it was said that Tom Sneddon used it in his talks with his people. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1455976/michael-jackson-calls-tommy-mottola-racist.jhtml
It's interesting though that Al Sharpton came to Mattola's defense, and overall many only focused on Jackson being considered 'bizarre'. Almost like no one wanted to admit there really were problems behind the scenes that MJ might be addressing.

Also in the CM docu, at the Flannagan's house, his wife and he made remarks about MJ being weird.

Twitter Front retweeted Paris' comment:
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Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson 19 May
i hate when people tell me to change… it's hurtful to know that someone you care about can't accept you the way you are .

In TII MJ said he wanted to put love back into the world and tell the world that love is important.
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I think it's interesting too, that we have PANish talking about mothers.......
I had mentioned on Twitter something about in Murray's trial we had a pastor, and in the AEG trial we have PANish.....
Sim made a great mention of how much word play we really have had all through this....all so Michaelish : )

Anyways...just interesting thoughts.....love Thumper : ) He's such a cute little bunny!

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So the lawyers can now provide the jury with snacks!  Had to chuckle at this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

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AEG lawyers gave a bag of peppermint candy to the bailiff to hand out to the jury this week. Even Katherine Jackson -- the pop icon's mother -- enjoyed the treat.

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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".

« Last Edit: May 23, 2013, 06:33:36 PM by sweetsunsetwithMJ »
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??
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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??

yeah +1 here

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So Front referred to the peppermint candies when he tweeted "green".
Huh??

yeah +1 here

That's a stretch.

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Here are some more recent tweets:

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Panish: Are you familiar with HIPPA?
Trell: I'm generally familiar with it, but don't know what the acronym means.
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If they are talking about generalities, Trell said he doesn't think there's need for an authorization that Panish was talking about.
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Panish: About their physical conditions?
Trell: I don't know that. I think it would depend on the nature and substance of the conversation.
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Panish asked if Trell thought it was ok for Phillips to speak with Dr. Murray alone. He said it depends on the substance of the conversation
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Panish asked if MJ ever signed a release of authorization for Randy Phillips to speak with Dr. Murray. Trell said he was not aware of one.
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"I'm aware he had spoken with him, but didn't know the length of the calls," Trell said.
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Panish asked if Trell knew Randy Phillips talked to Dr. Murray for 20 minutes on the phone.
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Kind of shows that Randy Phillips and Murray may have been conspiring behind Michael's back and violating HIPPA laws, doesn't it?
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.



 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.
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Kind of shows that Randy Phillips and Murray may have been conspiring behind Michael's back and violating HIPPA laws, doesn't it?
Perhaps this refers to this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVc0ZZyXiQ[/youtube]

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Murray in docu: “That’s when I got the shock. Randy Phillips asked that I just step out the livingroom. The meeting had ended. Hfmm…This is him grinding his teeth. Hfmm. He does not have a f—cking cent, a f—cking cent. What’s this bullshit all about? Listen. This guy.is next to skid-row. Homeless. F—cking popsicles that his children are sucking on. Look..those kids. What’s that all about? Nine security guards. Why does he need that. I’m paying for that shit. I’m paying for the toilet-paper he wipes his ass with. He doesn’t have a f—cking cent. And if he don’t get this show done, he’s over. This is it. This is the last chance he has to earn any kind of money. He’s ruined. Financially he has nothing. Zero.”  Under oath Randy denied any such conversation.
But it's perhaps what was decided as a RESULT of this supposed conversation that is most important. Did RP tell CM to do WHATEVER it takes to get MJ to rehearsals even if it meant violating ethics rules?

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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.



 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

For me all is in Michael's full control : however, for a mother,I think is not a nice thing listen  all those bad things, all those lies about her son , especially knowing he is totally innocent..... :icon_rolleyes:
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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.



 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

not sure i understand why this question would get  an emotional response when she ( i think it was mentioned ) didn't react when it was told that one of them called him a freak.  :icon_e_confused:
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 23m
Katherine Jackson didn't return in the afternoon. Only Rebbie was present. We were told Mrs. Jackson is too upset.

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Seeing Katherine sad makes me feel bad  :'(  I hope she's ok.
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An impression of this trial that I have so far, is that if AEG loses, it'll be because of Randy Phillips.

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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=19285&start=310
scroll down to poster WenamunRamses

this is a recap of the testimony . there is something that kind of caught my eye in the way a statement was made about the meeting.
murray attended and mj was present.  now this is wear my thinking gets a bit far out. how many times during the course of this has there been discussion about two michael's and added to that referances to mediums ( karen and lisa went to see one)  laytoya and her visit to one.  they medium is there and the person speaks through them correct? 

perhaps i need to remember where i put that jacket.  :thjajaja121:
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 11:27:16 AM by suspicious mind »
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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UGHH I hate this trial.  :Pulling_hair: Katherine seems to be very emotional.



 ??? If everything is ok and Michael is in full control why is she so sad.

For me all is in Michael's full control : however, for a mother,I think is not a nice thing listen  all those bad things, all those lies about her son , especially knowing he is totally innocent..... :icon_rolleyes:

I so agree.. I can imagine Katherine getting emotional and upset about the way AEG has treated Michael, the pressure, using disrespectful names, telling lies and although Katherine might have been prepared on AEG's ugliness it still could be hurtful for her. AEG is constantly talking about her son as a money source and not as a person. I'd think that there are moments that she had too much of it. I admire her strength.  :bearhug: @ Katherine.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 07:02:53 PM by everlastinglove_MJ »
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