Katherine Jackson versus AEG set for trial 9-10-2012

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Offline Andrea

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Thanks Aussie, you too!  I especially agree with what you said here:

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We know MJ is master of illusion, disguise, trickery, doubles etc etc. with all of these talents that he has mastered to a fine art, it makes sense such tactics would be employed in hoax scenario instead of methods (DWD) that have potential to backfire because of whistleblowers. Lets face it ppl love to make a dollar trying to sell secrets. MJ spent years perfecting illusion. Its all illusion. Illusion is uncomplicated. DWD scenario isnt.


It's determining the truth from the illusion that's tricky because it's all so perfectly interwoven.  And actually, it's reflective of the state of the world now and throughout history - truth vs illusion.

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Come on. That is so not MJ!!!
BUT, is it like MJ to let us believe and draw conclusions and make assumptions re: DWD based on all the little gems / statements that are thrown our way?? Absolutely!!

We know MJ is master of illusion, disguise, trickery, doubles etc etc. with all of these talents that he has mastered to a fine art, it makes sense such tactics would be employed in hoax scenario instead of methods (DWD) that have potential to backfire because of whistleblowers.

Great points, I totally agree with you  :icon_e_biggrin:  "Makes me think of a DWD patient".... doesn't mean I believe it, but you're right we are led to believe it to be a possibility - the scene/witness statements were set up to make it look that way. And now there are still so many inconsistencies with Senneff. 

@ABC7Courts Cahan went through the emergency medical service report again. It asks the weight of the patient, Senneff estimated 150lbs, 5'09-ish

@ABC7Courts Senneff answers 120 calls per month average. He said he got very good at estimating people's weight.

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Another tweet from ABC7:

Senneff said it was chaotic outside the house, very difficult to get out. People trying to take pix, unbelievable amount of commotion

Is this statement for real?  Is this what the public was shown?

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This also got me thinking about cryonics. 

@ABC7Courts 3h
Senneff said when he moved MJ, he felt he did not have a pulse. His pupils were fixed and dilated, eyes were quite dried

@ABC7Courts 3h
Senneff: "When I picked him up and moved him, he was cool to the touch. I would say less than an hour... Body doesn't get cold that fast"

Then I read Paris tweet with the starbucks coffee pic and an hour ago asking about favorite drinks at coffee bean. ? idk she just deleted it.
There's a science behind coffee grinding " If required, such fine grinding is often best carried out under cryogenic (sub-zero temperature) conditions using materials such as solid carbon dioxide or liquid nitrogen, especially when using impact-type mills."
:icon_eek: ...  :icon_lol: anyway.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2013, 10:33:10 PM by mindseye »
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I don't know which post to quote first!

I am digging this whole thread! 

Thank goodness for channel 7 LA Twitter. I am cracking up over here.

Ambulance pic legit?!?! Oh you don't say?? Live MJ theory anyone? I guess Live MJ weighs 150lbs and is 5'9. God this is funny.

So the patient is Skelator and the ambulance pic is legit. Thank you Senneff for clearly illustrating that this is all total bullshit.

(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )
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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )

You mean Mr Fake Informer's theory?! Which for those who are thinking MJ is so thoughtful to include a DWD patient in his hoax, remember our fake informer also said MJ had nothing to do with the events of 25th June - it was all lead by FBI.  :suspect: indeed!

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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory :suspect: )

You mean Mr Fake Informer's theory?! Which for those who are thinking MJ is so thoughtful to include a DWD patient in his hoax, remember our fake informer also said MJ had nothing to do with the events of 25th June - it was all lead by FBI.  :suspect: indeed!

Yah he's the one. AKA Mr. Pantsonfire.
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We know TS and Front validated each other, but Front never said one word confirming DWD or FBI, that I know of.

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Judge rules: Jacksons can't watch trial without mom
The judge ordered that only one of Michael Jackson's brothers and sisters can come to court to watch the testimony at at a time -- and then only if Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson is present.
AEG Live lawyers argued at the start of the second day of the trial that there was "a risk in allowing any of them in the courtroom."
AEG expects to call Janet, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, La Toya, Rebbie and Randy Jackson as witnesses in its defense. Only brother Marlon Jackson is not on the defense witness list.
AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statement Monday that Jackson family members will testify about their failed attempts to intervene with Michael Jackson's drug addiction and their lack of knowledge about what was happening.
The defense lawyers asked that Randy Jackson, the only one attending the trial Tuesday with his 82-year-old mother, be booted from court.
After that, Jackson lawyer Brian Panish told the judge that Katherine Jackson, who can stay in court because she is a plaintiff, needed one of her children to sit with her each day.
"He can remain, but you cannot have five in the courtroom," Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said.
Because Katherine Jackson left the courtroom early to avoid gruesome testimony by a paramedic who described Jackson's death, Randy Jackson was unable to watch Tuesday's testimony.
Randy and Rebbie Jackson attended court Monday, the trial's opening day. All of the siblings attended the 2011 criminal trial of Murray at various times.
Having members of the famous entertainment family in court could influence the jury because their seats are just a few feet away from the jury box in the small Los Angeles courtroom.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/30/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html

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Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??

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A terminally ill patient's illness would show up in the autopsy

It did show up that's why the autopsy's details didn't match with Michael's body because it wasn't his body at all.

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(I too find it suspicious that Senneff's testimony suddenly validates TS_comments DWD theory  )

Right!!

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We know TS and Front validated each other, but Front never said one word confirming DWD or FBI, that I know of.

Front didn't validate many things that might be conclusive.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 07:52:04 AM by sweetsunsetwithMJ »
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Judge rules: Jacksons can't watch trial without mom
The judge ordered that only one of Michael Jackson's brothers and sisters can come to court to watch the testimony at at a time -- and then only if Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson is present.
AEG Live lawyers argued at the start of the second day of the trial that there was "a risk in allowing any of them in the courtroom."
AEG expects to call Janet, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, La Toya, Rebbie and Randy Jackson as witnesses in its defense. Only brother Marlon Jackson is not on the defense witness list.
AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam said in his opening statement Monday that Jackson family members will testify about their failed attempts to intervene with Michael Jackson's drug addiction and their lack of knowledge about what was happening.
The defense lawyers asked that Randy Jackson, the only one attending the trial Tuesday with his 82-year-old mother, be booted from court.
After that, Jackson lawyer Brian Panish told the judge that Katherine Jackson, who can stay in court because she is a plaintiff, needed one of her children to sit with her each day.
"He can remain, but you cannot have five in the courtroom," Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos said.
Because Katherine Jackson left the courtroom early to avoid gruesome testimony by a paramedic who described Jackson's death, Randy Jackson was unable to watch Tuesday's testimony.
Randy and Rebbie Jackson attended court Monday, the trial's opening day. All of the siblings attended the 2011 criminal trial of Murray at various times.
Having members of the famous entertainment family in court could influence the jury because their seats are just a few feet away from the jury box in the small Los Angeles courtroom.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/30/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html


is it just me or does this statement have the same flavor as that strange little statement paris made at the awards ceremony way early on?
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??


Hun I didn't mention the Canadian example, it was someone else. However, for me personally, Carolwood set up is the least of the reasons why I don't buy DWD. Also my comments were not against you, just the DWD scenario.  :icon_e_wink:

Speaking of Carolwood, there were reports that the room was set up for a terminally ill patient. (Which I think is all smoke and mirrors and aimed to confuse people or entice ppl into believing the DWD scenario) I don't think it actually happened, I believe the intention is to make the situation as ambiguous as possible.

Reports for hospice set up combined with reports from JJ he was fit and then back around in a circle again with camp Jackson saying AEG used doubles because MJ wasn't fit enough... Last photos / footage of MJ 'alive' looking healthy and then reports of paramedics not recognising him because he was skeletal and deathly...

I don't blame anyone for considering / believing DWD theory because MJ is putting more than enough stuff out there to make ppl think this. (As well as other things to support other theories) I just personally don't buy it. And as mentioned I don't judge anyone who does believe DWD scenario. And don't blame them! Lol

I really believe the strategy is confusion / ambiguity / uncertainty. Same tactic TS used  :icon_e_wink:

Ppl still aren't questioning things and saying 'hang on this doesn't add up' even though there is so many conflicting things. Amazing. Waiting for the moment when the "penny drops" for the world. Just how stupid / obviously contradictory does it all have to get until the world sees it?!?! Lol

« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 08:47:09 AM by Australian MJ BeLIEver »
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humm admittedly i know nothing about medical stuff but i would be more inclined toward thinking in terms of a person having been put in a medically  induced coma due to head injury and didn't make it or something.  :icon_cry:
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Aussie who said that the DWD patient would have to be taken care of at Carolwood some time before the day in question?? this DWD patient might very well be in his resident until June 25 when he was moved to Carolwood from Washington and let him take the pill by himself (hence CM saying MJ killed himself), Michael needed a dead body and this DWD patient didn't wanna live any longer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE?? As you have said a canadian woman had to fly to Switzerland to die which is the difference here??


Hun I didn't mention the Canadian example, it was someone else. However, for me personally, Carolwood set up is the least of the reasons why I don't buy DWD. Also my comments were not against you, just the DWD scenario.  :icon_e_wink:

Speaking of Carolwood, there were reports that the room was set up for a terminally ill patient. (Which I think is all smoke and mirrors and aimed to confuse people or entice ppl into believing the DWD scenario) I don't think it actually happened, I believe the intention is to make the situation as ambiguous as possible.

Reports for hospice set up combined with reports from JJ he was fit and then back around in a circle again with camp Jackson saying AEG used doubles because MJ wasn't fit enough... Last photos / footage of MJ 'alive' looking healthy and then reports of paramedics not recognising him because he was skeletal and deathly...

I don't blame anyone for considering / believing DWD theory because MJ is putting more than enough stuff out there to make ppl think this. (As well as other things to support other theories) I just personally don't buy it. And as mentioned I don't judge anyone who does believe DWD scenario. And don't blame them! Lol

I really believe the strategy is confusion / ambiguity / uncertainty. Same tactic TS used  :icon_e_wink:

Ppl still aren't questioning things and saying 'hang on this doesn't add up' even though there is so many conflicting things. Amazing. Waiting for the moment when the "penny drops" for the world. Just how stupid / obviously contradictory does it all have to get until the world sees it?!?! Lol

Sorry I think it was Andrea but you know what I meant with that sentence.

I don't blame you either, we are just discussing about DWD theory, I still love you.
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What about this:

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The paramedic who attempted to save Michael Jackson's life on the day the King of Pop passed away has testified in court that the tragic singer looked like "a cancer patient" who had come home to die.

The significant thing here is that he looked like "he came home to die".

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/paramedic-becomes-first-witness-in-michael-jackson-wrongful-death-trial_3636928
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sweetsunset:
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A terminally ill patient's illness would show up in the autopsy

It did show up that's why the autopsy's details didn't match with Michael's body because it wasn't his body at all.

There was no terminal illness present in the "autopsy" report.  It showed a fairly healthy guy.  We wouldn't forget if something like cancer was mentioned.  If a real body was going to be used, it would be to fool those who come into contact with it because there would be no point otherwise.  A genuine autopsy report would reflect the terminal condition of the body and ER doctors are not going to try to revive a cold, turning blue corpse.  The ambulance driver wouldn't have backed out so slowly to ensure the opportunity for the"legit" ambulance photo to be taken with a patient who clearly resembles an eyes-closed, forehead-veined MJ.

Senneff's testimony completely contradicts the evidence we have to work with, it's basically hearsay.  He makes the patient's condition more dire and sad as time passes.  He even contradicts himself, like bec pointed out.  It very much seems like he is following a script and is deliberately supporting TS's theory, at least for now.  It's early days yet though, we'll have to see what happens because it is possible that evidence may emerge to either further support or debunk the DWD theory.



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Sharon Osbourne - Sharon Osbourne to testify in Jackson lawsuit[/size]
01 May 2013


Sharon Osbourne was officially subpoenaed on Tuesday (30.04.13) to testify in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial after confessing she may have evidence to support Katherine Jackson in her wrongful death trial against AEG Live

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/sharon-osbourne-to-testify-in-jackson-lawsuit_3637144
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Senneff says the ambulance pic is legit. That's really all I needed to hear. Case closed.

Cuz let's face it, that was the missing link we needed to explain the events of 6/25/09. I think Andrea was just saying Senneff never confirmed or denied the pic, so we couldn't confirm or deny his testimony re: appearence of the patient... and then Bingo! Confirmed. Patient looked like what we saw in the pic, eyes closed n everything. Lol. 

--->Senneff admits the MJ we see in the ambulance pic was the patient he worked on.<---

DWD theory is dead in the water. Great day.

Ps. Aussie: I agree with everything you said re: DWD theory. Thanks for laying it all out on the table, no frills. Whole thing reeks of BS, start to finish. 
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I'm with you bec, Andrea and Aussie (probably others, but these 3 are the posts I've especially noticed). Great stuff guys - wish I had a bit more time to contribute more this week.

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  22m 
Call was a bit over 2 minutes (133 seconds). Martinez did not know for sure what they were talking about, questioned Alvarez about it

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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  15m 
AEG agreed to stipulate Michael Jackson is dead, but need to think about stipulating that Dr. Murray is the cause of his death.


ABC7 Court News ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts  16m 
Outside the presence of jury:
Panish: I'm asking for stipulation that MJ's dead. Are you willing to stipulate MJ is dead?
Putnam: Absolutely
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ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 26m
Trial resumes tomorrow morning with Det. Martinez. Dr. Christopher Rogers, from the Coroner's office, set to testify next.


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Senneff says the ambulance pic is legit. That's really all I needed to hear. Case closed.

Cuz let's face it, that was the missing link we needed to explain the events of 6/25/09. I think Andrea was just saying Senneff never confirmed or denied the pic, so we couldn't confirm or deny his testimony re: appearence of the patient... and then Bingo! Confirmed. Patient looked like what we saw in the pic, eyes closed n everything. Lol.

--->Senneff admits the MJ we see in the ambulance pic was the patient he worked on.<---

DWD theory is dead in the water. Great day.

Ps. Aussie: I agree with everything you said re: DWD theory. Thanks for laying it all out on the table, no frills. Whole thing reeks of BS, start to finish.

?!?!?!?!?.....Why?? didn't we say that DWD patient might have facial surgery works to become a MJ look alike??
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The ambulance picture is real...righto'...wow....and I am the Queen of England too  :icon_rolleyes:  for Senneff to say that makes me think he really is in on it, as to me that picture has FAKE written all over it...but hey what would I know.

and...so the DWD/hospice patient theory rears its uncomfortable head again......not discounted in my books.....yet...

This trial is banging everyone over the head with the same information......is it going to be a rehash of the evidence from the Dr Murray criminal trial as well as his baby mamma court appearances from way back when with that whacky fake money being handed over in court?   :icon_lol:

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Lol I don't think so @sunset.
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