Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

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Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
Intrigued by what Pearl Jr. said tonight in the LIVE chat, see the discussion started here on this thread: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22205.msg391827#msg391827

I decided to do some quick search on google...

This is among the first things that I found:



Michael Jackson what?Michael's castle in Romania?

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/129395

Saturday, August 8, 2009 - 12:25
what?Michael's castle in Romania?

look what i found here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?p=369#comments
I noticed this comment...it makes me too curious and nervous:

"Bee said: 2009.08.01 04:55

"This is interesting, showed up in the comments on tmz the other day:

251. 48. Apparently there’s a castle in Romania that secretly belonged (belongs) to Michael.

He had it built – modeled on the Castle of Bran. Very, very few people have seen it, as it’s hidden in a ravine in a remote mountainous area – which has been completely fenced off. The public simply cannot get to the place.

The location is to the north of the mountain resort of Borsec. (Btw, Borsec is famous for its pure mineral water – Michael used to drink it all the time.) This forested region – one of the most remote in Europe – is home to many bears and wolves, making access even more difficult.

Michael visited the area only once – during the second leg of the History Tour (i.e., summer of 1997). The castle took ten years to build; it was finished in 2007. There are rumors that Michael wanted to go and live at the castle after the O2 Tour.

A friend in Borsec has told me that three days after Michael’s death, he saw three helicopters flying north over Borsec in the direction of the Castle (which locals have named Mihalyvar – or Michael’s castle).

Posted at 11:24AM on Jul 25th 2009 by Ringadingdong

Posted at 12:23AM on Jul 31st 2009 by Tstorm

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/30/jackson-autopsy-delayed/17#comments " ."

I can't see who posted the originally post because when I click here -> http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/30/jackson-autopsy-delayed/17#comments they redirect me here -> http://www.tmz.com/#comments

I don't know what think about it... I wish to be true... it would be amazing..."Michael Jackson living in Romania?!" oh my god....
but... there is TMZ and... I don't konw...that was only a reader's comment....

what do you think about it? Smiling



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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
This is a Romanian blog from march 2007, The title basically says that Michael supposedly bought the BRAN castle (Dracula's castle) - http://neamulmamaligarilor.blogspot.com/2007/03/castelul-bran-cumparat-de-michael.html The whole article is kind of stupid and written in a tabloid style, in the end the author says that apparently Michael was willing to buy that castle.


This is another Romanian article - http://www.zf.ro/ziarul-de-duminica/reportajul-saptamanii-castele-lasate-in-ruina-5111703/  more professionally written than the above^^ one, where they speak about Romanian castles and not only Romanian, others too. there a single line mentioning of Michael: supposedly Michael was in 1999 at castle in France (Chateau Bourron), it was the period when he was searching to buy a castle in Europe.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 06:42:41 PM
This is another short info, I'll translate:

Jackson stays in a luxurious castle
01 September2006 17:33
http://ro.michaeljackson.ro/stiri/jackson-sta-intr-un-castel-luxos%281091%29
"Information recently found indicate that Michael Jackson leaves in a luxurious castle in Ireland.
It appears that Jackson had rented this castle in the last 3 months and paid over 430.000 dollars.
Luggala Castle of Wicklow, the place where it seems that Michael Jackson temporarily leaves is rented at 36.000 dollars/week."


There's more...
I'll translate what I found and post this right away...

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 07:09:05 PM
[...]
Michael Jackson what?Michael's castle in Romania?
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/129395
Saturday, August 8, 2009 - 12:25

^^As a reply to this, here's an article that I translated for you in English, form the Romanian hoax-site "Where is Michael Jackson" - http://sites.google.com/site/whereismichaeljackson/22-unde-este--1/romania


Translated:

  Obviously that MJ could be in Romania, or especially in Romania...:)
1. Someone posted a comment on TMZ according to which Michael would be in the city of Borsec, being a great mineral water drinker and Borsec is declared no. 1 on Earth. Here he supposedly stays in a castle (there is no such thing, only ruins) that he may have built himself in 7 years. If you have things to do around there, go check! You never know how in the middle of a small town with a Hungarian minority you can see appearing a foreigner accompanied by color people, creole or other kind...

Here's the message:

    „Apparently there’s a castle in Romania that secretly belonged (belongs) to Michael. He had it built – modeled on the Castle of Bran. Very, very few people have seen it, as it’s hidden in a ravine in a remote mountainous area – which has been completely fenced off. The public simply cannot get to the place.
       The location is to the north of the mountain resort of Borsec. (Btw, Borsec is famous for its pure mineral water – Michael used to drink it all the time.) This forested region – one of the most remote in Europe – is home to many bears and wolves, making access even more difficult.
        Michael visited the area only once – during the second leg of the History Tour (i.e., summer of 1997). The castle took ten years to build; it was finished in 2007. There are rumors that Michael wanted to go and live at the castle after the O2 Tour.
         A friend in Borsec has told me that three days after Michael’s death, he saw three helicopters flying north over Borsec in the direction of the Castle (which locals have named Mihalyvar – or Michael’s castle).”
         I can totally see Michael hiding in a castle like that."


 
2. City of Bacau this is because a certain Adrian Huiban from around there had registered the site  www.michaeljacksonreturns.com

3. Somewhere in Romania. In the place where Dimitrie Draghicescu, the sick man who died and who now is in MJ's coffin. A theory absolutely hallucinatory, here: http://illuminustheo.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-is-not-dead-so-who-died.html
Someone who calls himself "Father Lingyu Fu", thinks that the dead MJ is a Romanian. In the version that he would have changed places, MJ should be in Romania, but it's almost impossible to detect the locality, Draghicescu (other than the great politician and sociologue) is a relatively common family name here.

In between us, where the hell can you hide in Romania? Let's just not give up the idea, though. Joe Jackson was asked by a Romanian reporter if he had been to Romania? And the man said Yes, with business. Then the reporter asked him if he had been together with Michael. He answered: "oh no, I was leaving when he was coming."
Then i ask myself at least 2 common sense questions:
- What business have you heard about Michael's father to be having or to have had in Romania? To me, it's complete enigma.
- Why wouldn't he have planned his trip simultaneously? Simple. Because if he had been traveling with his son, the press would have been all over the place and he couldn't have made any step without indiscreet cameramen (not to say secret services, like SRI and who the hell knows put to follow him). In exchange, if he didn't put up a show and came as an ordinary tourist, nobody would notice him and he could walk around undisturbed. But where, why and what stuff was he arranging in Romania? [....]



I finish translating the last part in just a few moments ^^


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
^^Translation continued (2):


- Another eery stuff made by someone who needs traffic on Youtube (sorry the link is not available anymore!). Allegedly MJ had been seen in a town at the Hungarian-Romanian border.

Michael Jackson's sister, Rebbie, came to launch her career in Romania


I don't know the date of this article^^ it's probably kind of old. But what is interesting is that not only Michael and Joe made their way to Romania. it seems we are more and more connected to Michael. Even though Ernest valentino. he didn't come alone, but with 2 of Michael's dancers, Alex and Ryan.
A girl from the city of Cluj took a side one of them: "I talked with MJ's dancers. I asked one of them:  “Do you really believe that Michael Jackson is dead?”, Alex, one of the dancers answered me: “Hm honestly I’m not 100% sure that he is…” (http://axentelivia.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/michael-jackson-showobsession-mj-double-earnest-valentino-video)



^^I didn't realize it was that long, but i will finish it, if i started it! lol
As you can see... people from this Romanian hoax site don't believe too much in this theory about Michael being in Romania... But this article that i translate now was written in 2009.
i hope they do a new one , now after what pearl Jr. said tonight.... Michael in Romania ? a week ago? What do you guys think about this??

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 07:56:54 PM
^^Translation continued (3):

Ubisoft prepares to launch the game Michael Jackson The Game, and for 2011, I Am Alive! http://iamalivegame.uk.ubi.com. What's most interesting part in this Ubisoft? Romania was the first country in which it has been extended. Because the business turned out well, another center appeared in the city of Craiova, in 2008. The Romanian branch was founded in October 1992, the year when Michael first came to concert in our country, exactly in the same month! and even the moon is the same. Hey, papa Joe now I've got what business you were doing around Bucharest!

mihai-stoica@hotmail.com: "The game is called Michael Jackson: The Experience and it will be launched in November 2010, with the new album. Surely the game will include" Beat It "and" Billie Jean","with Jackson himself featuring as a dance coach". When did Michael work for this game? Ubisoft specifies that the game is not posthumously, it has been worked on before the death of Michael www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=256321. The marketing manager from Ubisoft said that both Michael Jackson and his family had been involved in the project long before his death. "


Here's another "business" stuff with MJ's name and MJ bags and notebooks that we've seen, certainly in Carrefour and Real, and marked "Michael Jackson Official Licensed Product".
Here's the thing: the representative firm from Romania www.pigna.ro has no idea what the Italian company did! who it has signed a contract with for this license. The only thing that the man on the phone knew was that no object had been produced in Romania. OK.
Then they were produced in Italy. Bull shit! On site, there is nothing about any MJ campaign. Why has pigna.it market licensed for MJ objects just in Romania, while the Italians saw not even a pen?
If you want an honest opinion: everything you see in stores is special production for Romania.
Just think: who could have had this idea!? Someone who never forgot what he found in Romania, someone who prepares children for school.

What is interesting is that the Romanian company, until 2008, had done only non profitable business (plus huge debts), until suddenly, in 2009, it started making profit. And now you realize that it miraculously thrives to the delight of the large and broad 5 employees. www.firmepenet.ro/Pigna-Romania-Impex-Srl-Cod-Fiscal-8140816.html.

So a poor Romanian little firm is selling products branded Jackson Estate, given the fact that America cries after every little MJ thing and they can't get their hands on them because Jackson Estate has a monopoly on the name of MJ? Why not? I wouldn't' have involved with large companies either. Whatever this means, these are some nice souvenirs (the photos are well chosen and well printed). I bought myself a notebook and I think I'm about to transform it into book of memories, suggestions and complaints in congresses ... :)


I get the final part translated right away....

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 08:08:00 PM
Sim, I so appreciate your translating.  And have to say that you are one superb investigator!!!!  You truly amaze me  :)
Thank you

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 08:16:45 PM
There is of course the video of Michael and the Romanian police- or is it a double perhaps? Either way this is another  link between MJ and Romania.

Also the Dangerous concert-why was the only onw of these concerts put on video the Bucharest one?

The helicopters hovering over a Romanian castle could have been helicopters to do with the police, the tourist industry,a political event or similar... Too obvious if you want to hide to use helicopters, don't you think???

No, the big clue is Joe Jackson and his "business" in this country.

The clues to do with water are also quite intriguing, bearing in mind the various associations to water and Mj that have previously been discussed in a few threads on this forum...
 
Or else..... another RED HERRING? OMG!

Thanks for all your effort in leaving virtually no stone unturned, Sims!

Much appreciated! /judge/

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
There is of course the video of Michael and the Romanian police- or is it a double perhaps? Either way this is another  link between MJ and Romania.

Also the Dangerous concert-why was the only onw of these concerts put on video the Bucharest one?

The helicopters hovering over a Romanian castle could have been helicopters to do with the police, the tourist industry,a political event or similar... Too obvious if you want to hide to use helicopters, don't you think???

No, the big clue is Joe Jackson and his "business" in this country. As for JJ I guess there is far more to him than meets the eye:

http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/jackson5.htm

Maybe he has been one of the  hoax enginers all along.... /cook/


The clues to do with water are also quite intriguing, bearing in mind the various associations to water and Mj that have previously been discussed in a few threads on this forum...
 
Or else..... another RED HERRING? OMG!

Thanks for all your effort in leaving virtually no stone unturned, Sims!

Much appreciated! /judge/

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
Sim, I so appreciate your translating.  And have to say that you are one superb investigator!!!!  You truly amaze me  :)
Thank you


It is true

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
^^Translation continued (4):

4. There is a strange tale by the Grimms called "Children of Hameln" (Pied Piper). In 1284, the German village of Hameln was invaded by rats. A flute singer promised to solve the problem, for a sum of money. He played a magic flute melody and the rats were drawn after him. He led them to the bank of a river and drowned them. But the local council instead of rewarding him,  just mocked him. Angry, the flute singer disappeared for a while, promising  a revenge when he returns. He appeared again on a Sunday, June 26th, on the day of the Saints John and Paul (as in the Beatles). He put a spell with  his song luring 130 children into a cave, from where they had never returned. It's a terrible story, I agree, the parents went mad with grief. But,I immediately thought about "The Lost Children" and I asked myself for what lost children did Michael write this song so different from his style? I do not know if he ever explained... but the connection with the tragedy of Hameln (with real roots) is more than obvious.

Michael is a great fairy tale lover. The flute singer is, in certain versions, a magician -singer. he said in an interview that he wanted to disguise himself as a fat-man and distribute magazines in a shop.  “The funny thing is, no adults ever suspected who this strange bearded man was. But the children, with their extra intuition, knew right away. Like the Pied Piper of Hamlin, I would find myself trailed by 8 or 9 children by my second round of the shopping mall. They would follow and whisper and giggle, but they wouldn’t reveal my secret to their parents. They were my little aides.” http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=112334&page=1.

Which children will protect him? imagine that last days, there was some news in which Mark Ronson, who had slept at Neverland when he was a kid, says that MJ was some kind of a Pied Piper for children.
 www.zimbio.com/Mark+Ronson/articles/n5ArCat89Za/Mark+Ronson+Compares+Michael+Jackson+Pied.

Michael undoubtedly liked Pied Piper. At Neverland we find a picture where he is painted as Pied Piper followed by children. If you look at pictures, you see clear similarities.

Why a German fairy tale? Maybe it will the  return place, he might want to bring back all the lost children in Hameln. Near this town, there is a place called Beverungen, in free translation, Beverley.
I want to say that Pied Piper from the tale did not leave with children on June 26 (the year is certain, according to chronicles of the city), because it was a Monday. Instead, 25th June 1284 was on a Sunday, as the story says. A crucial day in MJ's destiny, that I don't not think anymore that it had been randomly chosen. www.mishu.ro / calendar_perpetuu.php In addition, 2009 was an important year. The city decided to celebrate the legend, there were exactly 725 years!!

The Grimms' story has not ended. Children walked underground through caves and tunnels, and have emerged to the surface far away out of their city. Historians cracked their heads trying to identify what area they could have reached. They found the names of Hameln locals in Berlin. They  found Toponyms from Hameln in Pommeranian region of Poland. But most have accepted another theory, more plausible and which overlaps the historical truth. Children arrived in Transylvania (Romania - where BRAN castle is !!) and their descendants had founded the 7 Saxon cities.

A priest from Brasov city did the research and found the place where the 130 children had surfaced: the Meresti cave, the Varghis Valley (Harghita region). In the area there are about 60 caves. It wouldn't be very far from Borsec (150 km) and the surrounding castles are as many as you want, some dating even from the 13h century. But more importantly, the area is the truly wild and perfectly isolated. There's a nice name for the village: Ocland.

Frankly, I do not know if Michael and would choose a return here, among children who survived in the story, or in Germany, where their parents were waiting for them. But I tend to think that the hypothesis of our land fits the best, if it hadn't been far away, children would have found their way back home after all. So maybe that's the plan: a return and recovery of those Lost Children, he cares so much about  and in the midst of whom he is now safe, as he had suspected in 2000.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egOr3qMKEZk[/youtube]



5. MJ's workshop was an airport hangar in Santa Monica. He chose to store his treasures exactly in the most secret airport of America (even of the world), located only 10 km of LA and associated to Area 51, home of the famous Shed 18. From here jets take off that are not included on any official list, which several direction changes  before landing and nobody knows who travels in them and to what direction.

Could it be that this hangar was randomly chosen inside an airport with ghost flights? What could be more appropriate for a getaway on day Z? There's no doubt that the U.S. government is partaking in frame-up!

Looking for flights from the date of June 25, 2009, the official, of course, and again we find plane whose status is "unknown". It is the race to Chernovtsy, Ukraina! I mean, Cernauti, folks! That is Bucovina! Less than 200 km of border with Romania!


The End of the article!
http://sites.google.com/site/whereismichaeljackson/22-unde-este--1/romania
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Sim - I echo the thank you's that the others have written. This is the kind of stuff I love to see. There has been much discussion about Romania over the past couple of years and I have no doubt that Michael is helping many of these places that he visited and loved. After all, he belongs to the world :)

Regarding the castle, I don't know. I have to ask myself why Michael would travel all over and rent rooms when he owned some of these incredible places? It's been said that he also owns the incredible resort in South Africa. Why would he live in rented digs when he could live in his own homes? And why has he never been to the castle if it's been done since 2007? IDK - just thinking out loud.

I'm curious - did Pearl Jr find something out? I happen to think that she knows more than she's letting on but that she's playing a part.

Blessings to you :)
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 09:28:50 PM
Sim, I so appreciate your translating.  And have to say that you are one superb investigator!!!!  You truly amaze me  :)Thank you
It is true
oohh thank you so much!! means a lot to me!  bearhug


There is of course the video of Michael and the Romanian police- or is it a double perhaps? Either way this is another  link between MJ and Romania.
Titania, thank you for your comment.
Yes it was Michael with the Romanian police, but he had filmed many other sequences with Police from other countries too.

Also the Dangerous concert-why was the only now of these concerts put on video the Bucharest one?

On October 1st, 1992, 61 countries were watching Romania! simultaneously connected through  HBO - a rarity at that time!
 I'll never forget that day! nor the days prior and post the concert. The whole country was like paralyzed because of Michael's presence loll Everybody was talking about Michael everywhere: on the streets, in the bus, at the shop, on TV, at school, even the teachers were mentioning him...
I was 12 years old, I was crying in front of the TV because I couldn't go to the concert! the drama repeated in 1996 when he came back. My mom wouldn't let me go to Bucharest! She told me she wouldn't let me go to a concert with thousands of hysterical fans that jump, scream and tear their limbs off just to be closer to the stage lmao  :lol: :lol: But I must admit that she likes Michael very much. She always did! she had been a Jackson 5 fan!

- Romania was the 1st country where Michael launched his album "Dangerous" and did the first concert from his world "Dangerous Tour".
- The number of people on the national stadium Lia Manoliu, over 70.000

Michael's tour manager at that time was a Romanian: Marcel Avram ( a good old friend of Michael's). From what I've heard... few years later , there were some problems and their collaboration and friendship ended suddenly... too bad!

The helicopters hovering over a Romanian castle could have been helicopters to do with the police, the tourist industry,a political event or similar... Too obvious if you want to hide to use helicopters, don't you think???
yessss! and you're right about the biggest clues: the WATER! and Joe Jackson's business here.

And also the fairy tale with the Lost children!
And what about Michael's art hangar!?? OMG!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
@voiceforthesilent: thank you! I am glad if I can help in any way ....

I share your doubts about Michael being in a castle!
I wonder if Pearl had just thrown this on the live chat just to make us look more into Michael's connections to Romania? for what reason(s)? only she knows! lol


I agree with you, Pearl Jr. is an enigmatic character in the whole hoax scenario!
Either she does know more than she reveals OR she just plays pretends.
i still don't know how to 'read" her, but I sure appreciate everything she does, even if she's been criticized by so many for selling her stuff, that she , some say, has been collected from what other believers had discovered.
I don't know how much of this is true, but she sure came up with many interesting things, let's be fair and acknowledge her merits! And she is talented at presenting everything, even funny! loll

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 25, 2012, 10:16:57 PM


Some more info about Borsec WATER and the region of Borsec


Borsec is a town famous for its mineral waters, the Borsec History Museum examines and celebrates this unique history.
The water is the life of Borsec, and is continually wins awards as one of the best in the world.

http://www.aquamaestro.com/innerview.asp?catid=2
Name: Borsec Mineral Water
Country of Origin: ROMANIA
TDS: 1402
pH: 6.5
Altitude: 2950 FT
Discovery of Source: Very old

Borsec is situated in the Eastern Carpathian Mountains of Transylvania, and is one of the most renown curative spas in the subalpine, windless, peat-rich county of Harghita.
It is listed in the register of historical monuments.
Bottling of Borsec commenced over 200 years ago; since modernization in 1992, the facility outputs two million liters per month of its legendary "Regina Apelor Minerale SA Borsec" (Mineral Water Queen Borsec).

The curative properties of the water were already known in the 1600s, and for centuries it was transported by carts in wooden casks to be served in the Royal Court in Vienna.
It was Emperor Franz Josef who dubbed Borsec the "Queen of Mineral Waters." The pH, although slightly acidic, is near enough to neutral to distinguish Borsec from other naturally carbonated waters whose carbonic acid origin tends to create much lower final pH levels in the harvested water.
The Calcium is massive at 310 milligrams per liter. Magnesium and Bicarbonate - much like Apollinaris - are robust at 97 and 1,800 milligrams respectively. However, the Sodium level is very low for a high mineral water at only 53 milligrams per liter. Unfortunately, data is not provided concerning Nitrate level.

Traditionally, Borsec has been indicated for circulatory disease, anemia, disease of the endocrine glands, nervous disease, rickets, renal disease, diabetes, and even for obesity, in addition to its wonderful and most popular use today as a super-healthy drinking water. Borsec was awarded a GOLD medal at 2004 Berkely Springs, WV USA International Water Tasting event,

The fame of the mineral waters of Borsec dates back to the 16th century.
Documents from this epoch prove that the mineral water from Borsec was transported by carts in wooden casks to the royal court in Alba Iulia in the year 1594.
Owing to the curative effect and empirical experience the mineral waters from Borsec were bottled in sealed pitchers which were then put into sacks and were transported on horseback to Transylvania, Moldavia, Wallachia and Hungary beginning in the 18th century.

Borsec owes its fame to its mineral waters, known for their curing properties.
Natural cures (the healing properties of the micro-climate, surrounding air, soil and water)
and physio-therapeutic properties are reputedly able to improve nutrition and heal a host of metabolic disorders.

Borsec is a favorable place for rest and recreation: it is a real paradise for those who enjoy excursions (known destinations include Poiana Zânelor, the ice cave, the bears' cave, Izvorul Strǎvechi, Cetatea Bufniţelor), those who like winter sports (on Făget and Fagetel for beginners and those more advanced) as well as those who like to fish, who can try their luck in the waters of Bistricioara or the Bicaz lake, which are near the resort.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLG95HXJLx0[/youtube]

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 12:56:10 AM
Well... a King needs a Castle. ;))

This isn't the first time Romania has come up with regard to MJ and his endeavors. And in the article I read, there were many suggestions as to where MJ could be hiding out if he were really alive. It was sort of like a "Where's Waldo?" type thing,  albino/ just ♫ Wanna be startin' somethin'. ♫  They also mentioned and island in Ireland, but I would think MJ would be safer on his own private pennisula, and somewhere balmy, not near the North Atlantic for anything more than a vacation. Brrrr! JMO. geek/

This is the THIRD afraid/ time a story about incidences TEN YEARS APART has come out, too! (MJ visiting real estate in Romania, only 2 times: once, while he was there in 1997, and returning TEN years later, to inspect the castle bounce/ he supposedly had built there.)

Remember, the woman/ fan who wrote in her book (Remember the Time: A True Intimate Look at Michael Jackson) that she and MJ had an intimate dalliance once and again, ten years apart? 

And also, that this ten years apart thing was part of the story in The Pirates of the Caribbean films series, wherein the Orlando Bloom character can only set foot on land every ten years to be with his wife.  afraid/

I'm not going anywhere with this, just throwing it out for thought. Idk, /white flag/, I think MJ had something to do with this IDEA in all three, somehow. The last two are fiction, so I think the first one is fiction, too.  :-\ A castle would be so LOVELY, though... sigh. ;D

Clearly, Romania has some secrets to tell about MJ. The Bucharest concert was the video chosen for the white album. It was broadcast on HBO---in a different "version", supposedly. WHY.

I couldn't look at them side by side, but the two I have didn't look any different to me, as I watched them, separately. I'll have to watch again the one my mom taped while  it was being broadcast on HBO. Maybe there are not different versions, and it was a rumor to stir up controversy, in order to get us to SCRUTINIZE the concert itself. There used to be a thread about this, which ended with no answers, so I won't go on and on.

Just that I wonder if something happened when MJ was in Romania, or about Romania, which keeps trying to come out as puzzle to be solved here? The most important thing, I thought, was that it was the first time the entire "Worldwide Powers That Be" at once, got the memo that MJ was the most powerful man on the face of the earth. Call me a pessimist, but when I saw that concert  errrr errrr errrr, I thought I was looking at his LAST.  pale/

TPTB are :evil: terrified of any person with SUCH influence! Especially one who is not under control by someone else and can't  8-) be controlled by any one or thing.   We've buried a few of those, just in my lifetime. :x That's why this Death Hoax/A.R.G./Message has been so scary at times---we know how things are.

WHAT IS IT  suspicious//  about Romania and Michael Jackson, that we need to know????????   /white flag/  :?
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 01:10:43 AM
Hi Sim. I've read about those speculations that Michale would owe a castle in Borsec region but how is it possible that nobody saw it? Ahh ok when it comes to MJ anything is possible anyway.

We should go there and try to find it when the summer comes. If it exists, it can be found. Borsec is not far away from here. Maybe it would be enough to just go there, maybe we can feel something in the air.
...........

hmmmm maybe it means nothing but a couple of months ago my son was at this computer, I was cooking in the kitchen when he came to me saying a message appeared in the bottom right corner of the screen saying something very strange. He knows a little English and he told me what it was written there but when I came to see it the message was gone. I am still wondering who it was and what was it about. In any case the message said something like "I'm in ........(the name of my town)" Never before and never after I saw such a message in English on my computer or even on my chat or email or anywhere else. I would like to know who did this. I was a little scared realizing all these people I've met online since 2009 could find me so easily, could know where I live ...I don't know, it's a little scary because we don't really each other.

Strange things probably happened to all of you.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:34:48 AM
Does anyone know anything about this "Jackson" water seen with Joe? I think I've seen it with Joe in some other pics as well.
Any connection to this Borsec water?







This Romanian castle story, and connections to Pied Piper and MJ song "Lost Children", is all so very intriguing. Thanks Sim for translating all that!


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It gives me goosebumps!  Back/Front said it's not a comeback, it's a take-over.  The Greatest show on Earth! The best is yet to come!  O-o-o-o-oh Michael!


I just love all this talk of MJ's power, influence, hints at his love for people all over the planet!


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I still don't know what to think about all this stuff! Last night I was just translating fast... it was only now after some good hours of sleep that I really started to "process" everything that happened. I am still kind of shocked by the fact that Pearl mentioned Romania and MJ's castle, 3 times in her chat show last night...

LOTS of questions marks in my head:

Is Michael in Romania?
Has he ever been in Romania besides the concerts he gave here?
Did he buy a Castle ? Is the castle a famous or a secluded one?
Did he build a castle in Romania?
Was he in Romania a week ago, like Pearl said in the live chat last night?

Why would Michael come to Romania now?
Maybe , as I believe he reads the forum, maybe he read my thread with my desperate and angry shout out for how our leaders basically destroy this beautiful country?
Read here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22205.0
Am I delusional to even dare to think about this?

If Michael was in Romania last week(s), was it because the troubles that Romania has been going through lately? I refer mainly to the revolution from one month ago and then the terrible weather conditions this month, due to which good parts of Romania had been literally buried in snow! Was he here trying to help? About 100 people died of cold and huger in 2-3 weeks... others are in very bad condition, still can't reach water , food and medical supplies! the university where i work just collected few days ago, our aids for the poor people there...

In case nothing of all this is true ^^
No castle, no Michael stay/visit in Romania, no nothing....
Still, I think everyone can agree with me that Michael tried so hard to draw our attention to Romania and his connections to Romania... As @It's her asked in the end of her message, we need to find out: What IS it about Romania that we have to discover in relation to Michael??


Maybe, besides other countries, Romania is part of Michael's plan to change this world for the better.
Romania is an asset to Europe from the natural riches point of view. If you watch the video that I posted above ^^ related to the BORSEC mineral water, with so many curative properties.... you will understand what I mean.
We all know that Michael's death hoax has  many reasons and layers...
The saving of nature GOAL... maybe that is the answer about Romania and Michael's clues hinting to this country! I don't know!


@MjonMind: the 130 Lost Children from the fairy tale, made me think of your Biblical discussions on the TIAI 21st January - thread....about the 144 virgins to be saved! and your pic with those children...
yeah...there's a difference of 14 kids....
I don't know if that's relevant , but I just wanted to share my thought with you.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 07:48:46 AM
Simpattyk you are amazing!  /bravo/  You are very devoted and a GREAT investigator!  I am proud of you and very thankful for you!  All of your hard work has opened up so many thoughts, my head is spinning in a great way.  Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication!  I appreciate you, Love to You  bearhug

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 08:05:11 AM
Hi Sim. I've read about those speculations that Michale would owe a castle in Borsec region but how is it possible that nobody saw it? Ahh ok when it comes to MJ anything is possible anyway.

We should go there and try to find it when the summer comes. If it exists, it can be found. Borsec is not far away from here. Maybe it would be enough to just go there, maybe we can feel something in the air.
...........

hmmmm maybe it means nothing but a couple of months ago my son was at this computer, I was cooking in the kitchen when he came to me saying a message appeared in the bottom right corner of the screen saying something very strange. He knows a little English and he told me what it was written there but when I came to see it the message was gone. I am still wondering who it was and what was it about. In any case the message said something like "I'm in ........(the name of my town)" Never before and never after I saw such a message in English on my computer or even on my chat or email or anywhere else. I would like to know who did this. I was a little scared realizing all these people I've met online since 2009 could find me so easily, could know where I live ...I don't know, it's a little scary because we don't really each other.

Strange things probably happened to all of you.


WHOAH! Gina, not like they happen to YOU!! :lol: :lol: :lol: I would die of shock to see a message like that!! We used to hear strange things (from airplanes etc...) when my brother had a CB radio a million years ago--people making fun of our loud house and that insolent boy, who lipped off on air...they may have said it on purpose, but in any case, we accidentally heard it!!! Radio is like that though...But your experience is  afraid/  :o  albino/ :shock: :shock: /overreacting/
 :idea: :lol: Are you CERTAIN that your husband didn't just TELL your kid to pull your leg, like that??? omigosh---he got you GOOD---AND ME! afraid/ :lol:

Wooohooo (fanning myself wildly)! :-[
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 09:09:38 AM
Hi, I'm Mihai Stoica, i write site whereismichaeljackson, i'm from Romania
What exactly say Pearl Jr?

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
Mineral water is  the exact opposite of the soda pops MJ was promoting back in the day ( Pepsi, also some kind of energy stuff thar was launched during HIStory Tour). Mineral water has got healing properties whereas soda pop is full of sugar and all kinds of additives. Pa Jackson could be drinking any kind of mineral water in his water bottle or it is a foreshadowing of a Jackson mineral water that will be launched on the market in the future.

Also I recall that Janet was demanding mineral water on her latest tour, wasn't she? There was a huge song and dance about her divaesque demands if I recall correctly. So the finger is certainly pointing towards health and against the giants who control people by pumping them full of additives in an innocent looking bottle/can.

DANGEROUS Tour and track so interesting. Remember the cover. Remember that the tour was launched in a country that had recently been undergoing a Revolution. MJ managed to unite 70,000 folks in his Bucharest concert, where he first appeared in a kind of robotesque style and eventually freed himself from all bonds and took off from the earth to explore other realms while singing Man in the Mirror...

Well, I don't know what Pearl knows and/or if she is in the know her info is 1. the truth or 2. misleading- Misleading because being an entertainer wouldn't MJ prefer to pop up somewhere completely out of teh blue and take us all by surprise than get us all tramping our feet in suspense and impatience at some predetermined spot?

 /pull hair/

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 10:34:33 AM
OK........so I woke up with thoughts about this castle thing.  I absolutely believe it's very possible.  Titania, you managed to hit upon the exact thing that started my thoughts (thank you!) you said:

"Mineral water is  the exact opposite of the soda pops MJ was promoting back in the day"

It's opposite.....like a ranch is opposite of a castle....Neverland is opposite of a Romanian Castle.  That got me thinking of chess.......
has Michael done the ultimate chess move?  Has he castled?  In the game of chess there is a very select move called castling or "to castle".  It involves only the rook and the king.  It's a bit difficult to describe, so I will post a link or two about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castling

http://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/how-to-castle

It's doesn't matter if you are black or white in the game of chess.  It matters about the strategy you use and the knowledge you gain from your opponent.  I believe you can learn many things about a person through a game of chess. 
All I can say is:
King's to you Michael, King's to you...............

*on a different note, I thought there are some other castle references that could be used.  I will just list them so perhaps they might light some thoughts on the pathway:

-Hearst Castle in California   
 http://www.hearstcastle.org/-Castle the TV show

-White Castle Burgers (hey, I'm hungry, lol) 
 http://www.whitecastle.com/

-The Magic Castle   
 http://magiccastle.com/
........this reference is particularly intriguing because of Criss Angel

-Cinderella's Castle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_Castle
.......my favorite, of course ;)

My favorite stand-up comedian is Eddie Izzard (he's British).......he's brilliant in using history through his routines.  He talks about how we should go to Europe to see castles because there's a million of them, they are laying about the place, and they are not made out of styrofoam, lol.  That's not for the clue file....just if anyone likes a good laugh, check him out...."Dress to Kill" is the routine where he talks about castles. 

So anyways.....don't know if any of this helps.  But thought I'd post it before my day truly gets going today....
off to hit the coffee pot....or perhaps tea this morning....

Love & Blessings Always


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
Hi Sim. I've read about those speculations that Michale would owe a castle in Borsec region but how is it possible that nobody saw it? Ahh ok when it comes to MJ anything is possible anyway.

We should go there and try to find it when the summer comes. If it exists, it can be found. Borsec is not far away from here. Maybe it would be enough to just go there, maybe we can feel something in the air.
...........

hmmmm maybe it means nothing but a couple of months ago my son was at this computer, I was cooking in the kitchen when he came to me saying a message appeared in the bottom right corner of the screen saying something very strange. He knows a little English and he told me what it was written there but when I came to see it the message was gone. I am still wondering who it was and what was it about. In any case the message said something like "I'm in ........(the name of my town)" Never before and never after I saw such a message in English on my computer or even on my chat or email or anywhere else. I would like to know who did this. I was a little scared realizing all these people I've met online since 2009 could find me so easily, could know where I live ...I don't know, it's a little scary because we don't really each other.

Strange things probably happened to all of you.


WHOAH! Gina, not like they happen to YOU!! :lol: :lol: :lol: I would die of shock to see a message like that!! We used to hear strange things (from airplanes etc...) when my brother had a CB radio a million years ago--people making fun of our loud house and that insolent boy, who lipped off on air...they may have said it on purpose, but in any case, we accidentally heard it!!! Radio is like that though...But your experience is  afraid/  :o  albino/ :shock: :shock: /overreacting/
 :idea: :lol: Are you CERTAIN that your husband didn't just TELL your kid to pull your leg, like that??? omigosh---he got you GOOD---AND ME! afraid/ :lol:

Wooohooo (fanning myself wildly)! :-[


You may laugh but I was a little scared. And I am sure it wasn't my husband's doing. He's not a prankster LOL!
I know my son really saw that message, I can tell when he's lying and when he's telling the truth.
I feel weird.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 12:51:44 PM
so is there anyone from romania as a member that lives  close to the region where mj has this home???? or can sattelite pictures help us,just thinking out load here...dont know if it is any help xx

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 01:06:49 PM
One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe

: )
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*gematria is a system that basically assigns a numeric value to letters ex: a=1, b=2, c=3 etc.  You can then "add" the letters....
therefor have words that "equal" each other...coincidence, perhaps....who knows : )




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
@sandythyme: thank you so much!! ;)  bearhug


Hi, I'm Mihai Stoica, i write site whereismichaeljackson, i'm from Romania
What exactly say Pearl Jr?
Hey! Welcome on this forum! I am glad to meet you! so you're the webmaster of that wonderful Romanian site ? Congratulations !! you guys did a great job! I assume there's a group of you working on that site, or do you work alone?

You know it's been months since I went to a chat ! last time i went on chat with MJ believers it was last year during summer I guess...
I'm not a very great fan of chats... I think it's a loss of time.
I don't know what got into me last evening... I saw Pearl Jr.  writing on twitter many times that she is in chat with 70 people or so. I got curious and I said it doesn't cost me anything to go check that chat!!

So I went I I saw many people writing all sorts of things while Pearl Jr. was talking , being interviewed by another person, I don't know who she was. So it sounded like a radio interview... Pearl Jr. discussed the latest topics on MJ's death hoax, and of course about Whitney!
In the mean time I said Hi to a few people I recognized in the chat ..

At one point Pearl Jr. said that she talked to a person that she cannot reveal to us, someone who told her that Michale has a castle in Romania and that he may have even went to Romania in the past few weeks or last week or so! She asked us if we know anything about Michael having a castle in Romania and she asked us to investigate this and if we find any info to send it to her at the address of her site!
I was like  WTF?? I really thought she was talking non sense.... she sometimes says things that you really don't know what to make of! I thought maybe she just heard a rumor and she spreads it just to verify if it's true or not!

Then after a while, like half an hour , here she mentions again Michael having a Romanian castle...that's when I told myself, man this is really something, she's trying to give us a message here! She said again that Michael was here in Romania and I didn't hear very well but I think the person who was interviewing her asked her if she 'd go to Romania or something like that and Pearl said that not now, during winter and that it is a place where you can get by helicopter only ... I was again very confused about everything she said!

Then the show continued she talked about various subjects, at one point Peter Pan PYT showed up too....said a few words then kept quiet. Then Pearl said she had to leave us and just before she quit the chat she AGAIN to0ld us to search any info about Michael and his castle in Romania and send it to her!

When Peter PYT was there in the chat...we could also see a hand waving at us, I even asked who's hand was that loll Today someone posted on facebook a screenshot of that hand, they say it looks like Michael's hand! lol

I find it kind of ODD that I never went to that particular chat before, not to Pearl Jr's chat and last night I went and here she talked about Michael and Romania 3 times!! smiley_spider


Here's that hand!


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:07:31 PM
so is there anyone from romania as a member that lives  close to the region where mj has this home???? or can sattelite pictures help us,just thinking out load here...dont know if it is any help xx

It's not far away form where I and others on this site live but really - I do not think he's there. The story is a little too crazy - so he built a castle in a place that's accessible only by helicopter? really...it's hard for me to believe it. Not that I don't want to. Maybe we can search for that place with google earth. You think it worths a try?

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
GiNA, I think she said it's accessible only by helicopter now during winter... maybe that's what she meant...because of the heavy snow during winter in Romania.

And what if it's not really a castle? maybe it's a luxurious mansion or something.

Or maybe it's nothing of that!

But then why did Pearl insist 3 times on telling us about Michael and his castle here in Romania??
Either she knows something more than she tells. OR she lies big time!
But then again what would she lie about Romania? Why didn't she tell us about Michael and a castle in Dubai or in Ireland for example?
Why in Romania?
And how come it was the only night I was in that chat , she just happens to talk about Romania?
Maybe it was just a coincidence! I don't know! I really don't know how to take all this!! I am very confused and puzzled right now!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
Who tf is AS MICHAEL SAYS IT on twitter and how comes I'm following this person??? It just appeared on my page.
Damn it I am so sick of fakes! >:( crash/ crash/ crash/.
Like that mystery person who started to follow me and others.
I am sick of this /overreacting/

I was looking for that chat of Pearl (btw i don't like her voice) so i opened my twitter and I learn that I follow another fake. AHHHHHHH /pull hair/

Look Sim I think some people just make fun of us. Not that I would care that much, they can laugh their sock off I don't care. I just don't want them to waste my time.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
OK........so I woke up with thoughts about this castle thing.  I absolutely believe it's very possible.  Titania, you managed to hit upon the exact thing that started my thoughts (thank you!) you said:

"Mineral water is  the exact opposite of the soda pops MJ was promoting back in the day"

It's opposite.....like a ranch is opposite of a castle....Neverland is opposite of a Romanian Castle.  That got me thinking of chess.......
has Michael done the ultimate chess move?  Has he castled?  In the game of chess there is a very select move called castling or "to castle".  It involves only the rook and the king.  It's a bit difficult to describe, so I will post a link or two about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castling

http://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/how-to-castle

It's doesn't matter if you are black or white in the game of chess.  It matters about the strategy you use and the knowledge you gain from your opponent.  I believe you can learn many things about a person through a game of chess. 
All I can say is:
King's to you Michael, King's to you...............

*on a different note, I thought there are some other castle references that could be used.  I will just list them so perhaps they might light some thoughts on the pathway:

-Hearst Castle in California   
 http://www.hearstcastle.org/-Castle the TV show

-White Castle Burgers (hey, I'm hungry, lol) 
 http://www.whitecastle.com/

-The Magic Castle   
 http://magiccastle.com/
........this reference is particularly intriguing because of Criss Angel

-Cinderella's Castle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_Castle
.......my favorite, of course ;)

My favorite stand-up comedian is Eddie Izzard (he's British).......he's brilliant in using history through his routines.  He talks about how we should go to Europe to see castles because there's a million of them, they are laying about the place, and they are not made out of styrofoam, lol.  That's not for the clue file....just if anyone likes a good laugh, check him out...."Dress to Kill" is the routine where he talks about castles. 

So anyways.....don't know if any of this helps.  But thought I'd post it before my day truly gets going today....
off to hit the coffee pot....or perhaps tea this morning....

Love & Blessings Always



Well, Wishingstar. I am imtrigued. to say the least.

BTW Better to build a castle in Romania than a castle in Spain LOL!

Free associations lead to such unexpected things, not least when there a few of us stirring the pot! The ranch- castle thingy- very interesting indeed. Maybe we should check out what is going down at Neverland Valley Ranch these days.

Chess- yes indeed. This whole hoax seems to me to be a bit like a game of chess where we are travelling across a chequered board, hopefully going from beng a pawn to figures  with more freedom of movement!




Eddy Izzard- aint he half Welsh by the way? The Cardiff giant rises again.... OMG!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 03:36:43 PM
The only thing I found out about MJ and a Romanian Castle was the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest. The bit about MJ is on the last paragraph and the last couple of lines http://www.bucharest-life.com/bucharest/palace-of-parliament

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
I can't see anything on Google earth...too many trees..which is probably the purpose of a castle THERE  :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
Mineral water is  the exact opposite of the soda pops MJ was promoting back in the day ( Pepsi, also some kind of energy stuff thar was launched during HIStory Tour). Mineral water has got healing properties whereas soda pop is full of sugar and all kinds of additives. Pa Jackson could be drinking any kind of mineral water in his water bottle or it is a foreshadowing of a Jackson mineral water that will be launched on the market in the future.

Also I recall that Janet was demanding mineral water on her latest tour, wasn't she? There was a huge song and dance about her divaesque demands if I recall correctly. So the finger is certainly pointing towards health and against the giants who control people by pumping them full of additives in an innocent looking bottle/can.

DANGEROUS Tour and track so interesting. Remember the cover. Remember that the tour was launched in a country that had recently been undergoing a Revolution. MJ managed to unite 70,000 folks in his Bucharest concert, where he first appeared in a kind of robotesque style and eventually freed himself from all bonds and took off from the earth to explore other realms while singing Man in the Mirror...

Well, I don't know what Pearl knows and/or if she is in the know her info is 1. the truth or 2. misleading- Misleading because being an entertainer wouldn't MJ prefer to pop up somewhere completely out of teh blue and take us all by surprise than get us all tramping our feet in suspense and impatience at some predetermined spot?

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Thank you! I think you are very right in most of what you said! You helped me see things from a different perspective!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 05:38:21 PM
@Wishingstar: thank for adding those CHESS & gematria references! really interesting stuff!
I wish I knew how to play chess, maybe I could be able to understand more about the hoax!


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Look Sim I think some people just make fun of us. Not that I would care that much, they can laugh their sock off I don't care. I just don't want them to waste my time.
Gina, I agree, you could be right!
I also had that first thought in my mind when I heard Pearl mentioning Michael and the Romanian castle.
But then when she insisted twice more! I told myself "what do I lose if I spend some time researching on this!"
After all it's Pearl Jr. who said this , not just some faker on the Internet.
I am also sick and tired of these guys play-pretending out there, but I think it's not fair to mix Pearl Jr. with them. I really doubt Pearl Jr. would waste her time trying to make fun of some Romanian fans , by throwing them on a false lead with this Romanian castle.
I mean even if Pearl hadn't said anything , there are still many clues directly from Michael that show us his obvious interest in Romania.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 06:09:54 PM
I can't see anything on Google earth...too many trees..which is probably the purpose of a castle THERE  :)
Good point! lol   :lol:



New video by Pearl, I'm wondering if her next video is about the Romanian castle that she mentioned last night on the live chat show!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKi3YkQTCeg&feature=youtu.be&a[/youtube]
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
I was thinking of the castle in "Ghosts" and also in "This Is It", although we've seen that most of the footage has been green screened. What if Michael is in the middle of producing of a sequel of "Thriller II" and I guess a Romanian castle would be the perfect "secret" (well apparently not anymore :roll:) film location. It's possible that Pearl tweeted a clue about the castle referring to "Thriller" and "Ghosts" in "This Is It" which means in hoax timeline perspective that we are almost at 3/4th before the hoax ends. 8-)

btw Michael, we have beautiful castles in The Netherlands too ;D
http://www.castles.info/netherlands/ 
http://www.kasteleninnederland.nl/jml/index.php/te-koop

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 06:52:42 PM
I was thinking of the castle in "Ghosts" and also in "This Is It", although we've seen that most of the footage has been green screened. What if Michael is in the middle of producing of a sequel of "Thriller II" and I guess a Romanian castle would be the perfect "secret" (well apparently not anymore :roll:) film location. It's possible that Pearl tweeted a clue about the castle referring to "Thriller" and "Ghosts" in "This Is It" which means in hoax timeline perspective that we are almost at 3/4th before the hoax ends. 8-)

btw Michael, we have beautiful castles in The Netherlands too ;D
http://www.castles.info/netherlands/ 
http://www.kasteleninnederland.nl/jml/index.php/te-koop

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Prince Charles, BRAN Castle & Prince DRACULA



Photo gallery: http://sabin.ro/main.php?g2_itemId=52734


Built in 1212 by the Teutonic Knights, the castle is in the region of Transylvania, in Bran (Romania). Here lived in the 15th century, Prince Vlad Tepes, nicknamed "the Impaler".
Nearly 500,000 visitors flock there each year.

The Legend of Prince Vlad Tepes, known as "Vlad the Impaler", called ~ Dracula ~ (1431-1476):
- Dracula comes from the Latin name draco which means dragon or devil. The Romanian language consists of 50% Latin based words
- During his childhood, Vlad Tepes was taken hostage by the Turks who were pressing on his father Vlad II, while on the throne of Wallachia.
- Once in power, he had to constantly defend its territory against the Hungarians and the Ottomans while maintaining the order on his land.
- To achieve his goals, he terrorized his enemies by bloody acts. He impaled his vanquished enemies on stakes. Legend has it that he ripped a woman to check that she was pregnant.
- He was killed and decapitated in battle. His head was paraded by the victors throughout the empire.
- In 1474, officially, there appeared a German text entitled "The story of Prince Dracula" which was mainly relating the bloody acts of this man.






Did you guys know that in the past 10 years , Prince Charles has been visiting very often Romania?? more precisely Transylvania!! and he declared himself very impressed, even charmed by the beauty of our land? He even bought a territory here!
Did you know that Prince Dracula is said to be some ancestor of the Windsors and the Bush family?? Even with lady Diana!! They seem to have the same BLOODLINE! I don't know if this is true or not!! But this again hints to the Illuminati stuff!
What if that's the alarm signal that Michael wants to emphasize with all the Romania connections??






[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRUbKTJzuiU[/youtube]

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT HIS BLOOD IN THE END OF THE VIDEO !!!

It's really creepy!! I start to understand more and more what his real interest is here!! What you see in this video ^^ is just stupid manipulation! These bloody bastards destroy our country!!


VIDEO description:
Tuesday, May 6 2008 - Prince Charles began a four-day private visit to Romania Tuesday, where he is due to visit several villages in Transylvania, in the centre of the country.
The villages are part of a project led by the Mihai Eminescu Trust, an organisation under the Prince's patronage, dedicated to the conservation and restoration of Transylvanian villages and churches.

Prince Charles, for whom this is the sixth visit to Romania since 1998, has been involved in several ecological farming projects in Transylvania where he owns several properties, and in the regeneration of the historic centre of the city of Sibiu -- European City of Culture in 2007


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIF4_hvFPCA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euyWLQHUEhQ [/youtube]


VIDEO description:
HRH Prince Charles of Wales has a house in the ancient saxon village of Viscri, Brasov County, situated in the center of Transylvania,Romania.The house was built in 1758 an very well restored in 2002.Viscri is a living museum village lived by saxons since 12th century. Here is an UNESCO world heritage monument ( listed since 1999 ) : The fortified saxon church of Viscri ( Transylvania 13th century


Prince Charles shares bloodline with Vlad the Impaler

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/royalfamily/article/1077024--prince-charles-shares-bloodline-with-vlad-the-impaler

LONDON—The truth is out: Prince Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler.

The heir to the British throne says he is related to Vlad the Impaler, the cruel 15th-Century Romanian warlord who helped inspire Bram Stoker’s 1897 vampire novel “Dracula.”
He makes the comments on an upcoming TV show to promote his interest in protecting the forests of Romania’s Transylvania region.

Charles says genealogy shows that he is related to Vlad, giving him a stake in the future of Romania. Charles's great-grandmother, Queen Mary, is a distant relative of the notorious nobleman, whose victims are reportedly numbered in the tens of thousands.

The Prince of Wales has long worked to conserve the forests and has bought a five-bedroom home in the region.
On a visit to Romania earlier this year, he called Transylvania a national treasure because of its unspoiled landscape and centuries-old rural farming traditions.

“It seems to me in Transylvania there is a combination of the natural ecosystem with a human cultural system,” the prince said in the documentary, according to the Daily Telegraph.
“'This extraordinarily unique integrated relationship is so hugely important. People are yearning for that sense of belonging and identity and meaning.”
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 07:37:29 PM
There are so many regions that could benefit from ecological farming.  Really most of the world.  Why Transylvania ?  Why Romania ?

The answer is what you've been saying/showing Sim,  THE FIGHT FOR GOLD FROM THE MOUNTAINS OF ROMANIA.

Do you really think Prince Charles cares about the farmers ?  NOT





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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
Exactly, Dontwalkaway! E_X_A_C_T_L_Y !!!

He may have done some good to certain villages there, but only to build himself a good pretext for his presence in Romania , almost every year since 1998!!!

His true interest in Romania is really DARK! I have no doubt!!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
BRAN Castle & Prince DRACULA



Photo gallery: http://sabin.ro/main.php?g2_itemId=52734


Built in 1212 by the Teutonic Knights, the castle is in the region of Transylvania, in Bran (Romania). Here lived in the 15th century, Prince Vlad Tepes, nicknamed "the Impaler".
Nearly 500,000 visitors flock there each year.

The Legend of Prince Vlad Tepes, known as "Vlad the Impaler", called ~ Dracula ~ (1431-1476):
- Dracula comes from the Latin name draco which means dragon or devil. The Romanian language consists of 50% Latin based words
- During his childhood, Vlad Tepes was taken hostage by the Turks who were pressing on his father Vlad II, while on the throne of Wallachia.
- Once in power, he had to constantly defend its territory against the Hungarians and the Ottomans while maintaining the order on his land.
- To achieve his goals, he terrorized his enemies by bloody acts. He impaled his vanquished enemies on stakes. Legend has it that he ripped a woman to check that she was pregnant.
- He was killed and decapitated in battle. His head was paraded by the victors throughout the empire.
- In 1474, officially, there appeared a German text entitled "The story of Prince Dracula" which was mainly relating the bloody acts of this man.






Did you guys know that in the past 10 years , Prince Charles has been visiting very often Romania?? more precisely Transylvania!! and he declared himself very impressed, even charmed by the beauty of our land? He even bought a territory here!
Did you know that Prince Dracula is said to be some ancestor of the Windsors and the Bush family?? Even with lady Diana!! They seem to have the same BLOODLINE! I don't know if this is true or not!! But this again hints to the Illuminati stuff!
What if that's the alarm signal that Michael wants to emphasize with all the Romania connections??






[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRUbKTJzuiU[/youtube]

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT HIS BLOOD IN THE END OF THE VIDEO !!!

It's really creepy!! I start to understand more and more what his real interest is here!! What you see in this video ^^ is just stupid manipulation! These bloody bastards destroy our country!!


VIDEO description:
Tuesday, May 6 2008 - Prince Charles began a four-day private visit to Romania Tuesday, where he is due to visit several villages in Transylvania, in the centre of the country.
The villages are part of a project led by the Mihai Eminescu Trust, an organisation under the Prince's patronage, dedicated to the conservation and restoration of Transylvanian villages and churches.

Prince Charles, for whom this is the sixth visit to Romania since 1998, has been involved in several ecological farming projects in Transylvania where he owns several properties, and in the regeneration of the historic centre of the city of Sibiu -- European City of Culture in 2007


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIF4_hvFPCA[/youtube]

This all fascinates me greatly - because I hung out with someone related to many of them - and my friends and I thought she made it up. Well, she wasn't.
The most important story she mentioned, was this: Allegedly, all the Royal & Noble families were sworn to keep their lines pure. Not for what reasons people would think of; but because ofthem being related to King David (& possibly Jesus Christ). Princess Di was selected for her high IQ, and for breeding stock; so her sons would be better than their father. Lady Di could feel Camilla was still in the picture, and I did feel badly for her. But Camilla didn't have the proper bloodline!

And keeping the bloodline as pure for the children was most important, to keep property and land within the families. To be blunt, happiness had just as high of a percentage, through arrangements, as through selecting being in love.

Anyway, that's all the light I can shine.

Also - if you can give me close to the coordinates of this alleged castle, I'll see what I can do.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 26, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
@titania.....I am glad you are as intrigued as I am.  I have felt many times like I am somehow watching a real-life game of chess.  The castle move in chess is all about switching places.  It very well could be a double entendre for this adventure we call hoax. 
I love that picture you posted, btw.  We have seen some really cool pictures involving chess, or chess pieces.  It's always been an underlaying fascination of mine....the game of chess and this hoax.  Your posts have always inspired me to dig a little more, think a little more and love a little more....thank you for that!

@Sim....chess isn't that difficult of game really.  There are rules for each piece....that does get confusing and I forget them.  However, I find that's it truly a game of anticipation and out-thinking your opponent.  I am really not a very good player...I can play, but take forever to "see" all the possible moves.  I enjoy watching others play as well.  The thought process of a good player is light-speed ahead of me.  It's amazing to watch.  It's a game of forethought, calculated risks and determination....sounds like familiar attributes, LOL. 

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 12:44:15 AM
The only thing I found out about MJ and a Romanian Castle was the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest. The bit about MJ is on the last paragraph and the last couple of lines http://www.bucharest-life.com/bucharest/palace-of-parliament
Thank you so much, Katie2, for posting the link to this FASCINATING article on the Palace of Parliament!! I especially liked the part where the first person to actually use the balcony of this massive palace to address a crowd, was not even the evil guy who built it for himself---but--almost Destiny :o :o---MICHAEL JACKSON!!!  bounce/ :D Ohmigosh!  Leave it to MJ to find the biggest palace in the world, and be the FIRST to use the balcony, before any Royal or government official! Put that in the Guinness Book of records! I LOVE how he finds these kinds of "never been done" things to do.  8-) If this place didn't have the blood of the innocent attached to it, it could be a perfect Palace for the Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived. That is, if he's REALLY looking for a castle in Romania...I think the country's people could use the money more than such a lavish white elephant to house an iffy bunch of politicians or whatever; the building of which, appears to have helped put the country in the red. It seems to be fit, personally, for a King. imo. ;)

I LOVED reading this article! :) :) :)
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 12:49:18 AM
@Tink and Sim - some things might be true - prince Charles suddenly discovered he's sharing the same blood with Vlad Dracula??? So they didn't know it until now? He was on TV saying this, I've heard him. Indeed one has to ask WHY?

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 12:57:44 AM
The only thing I found out about MJ and a Romanian Castle was the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest. The bit about MJ is on the last paragraph and the last couple of lines http://www.bucharest-life.com/bucharest/palace-of-parliament
Thank you so much, Katie2, for posting the link to this FASCINATING article on the Palace of Parliament!! I especially liked the part where the first person to actually use the balcony of this massive palace to address a crowd, was not even the evil guy who built it for himself---but--almost Destiny :o :o---MICHAEL JACKSON!!!  bounce/ :D Ohmigosh!  Leave it to MJ to find the biggest palace in the world, and be the FIRST to use the balcony, before any Royal or government official! Put that in the Guinness Book of records! I LOVE how he finds these kinds of "never been done" things to do.  8-) If this place didn't have the blood of the innocent attached to it, it could be a perfect Palace for the Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived. That is, if he's REALLY looking for a castle in Romania...I think the country's people could use the money more than such a lavish white elephant to house an iffy bunch of politicians or whatever; the building of which, appears to have helped put the country in the red. It seems to be fit, personally, for a King. imo. ;)

I LOVED reading this article! :) :) :)

Wow, it;s the first time I read Michael was the first who used the balcony.
And he said "I love Budapest!" instead of Bucharest LOL!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 01:09:53 AM
I just can't resist posting this, he is soooooo sweeeeetttt !!
Sorry the quality isn't better.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAXEKZgk-5Q[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJlElO3gIpg&feature=plcp&context=C3d22ff0UDOEgsToPDskKl95gKLg_IGy7clUB1yzj4[/youtube]
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 12:12:21 PM
The only thing I found out about MJ and a Romanian Castle was the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest. The bit about MJ is on the last paragraph and the last couple of lines http://www.bucharest-life.com/bucharest/palace-of-parliament
Thank you so much, Katie2, for posting the link to this FASCINATING article on the Palace of Parliament!! I especially liked the part where the first person to actually use the balcony of this massive palace to address a crowd, was not even the evil guy who built it for himself---but--almost Destiny :o :o---MICHAEL JACKSON!!!  bounce/ :D Ohmigosh!  Leave it to MJ to find the biggest palace in the world, and be the FIRST to use the balcony, before any Royal or government official! Put that in the Guinness Book of records! I LOVE how he finds these kinds of "never been done" things to do.  8-) If this place didn't have the blood of the innocent attached to it, it could be a perfect Palace for the Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived. That is, if he's REALLY looking for a castle in Romania...I think the country's people could use the money more than such a lavish white elephant to house an iffy bunch of politicians or whatever; the building of which, appears to have helped put the country in the red. It seems to be fit, personally, for a King. imo. ;)

I LOVED reading this article! :) :) :)

Wow, it;s the first time I read Michael was the first who used the balcony.
And he said "I love Budapest!" instead of Bucharest LOL!

:P "I love Budapest" gotta love MJ

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 12:57:29 PM
We have soooo many empty hangers to shoot out here in Hollywood, and empty movie sets, it just doesn't make sense to fly halfway around the world and drag the bloody expensive cameras, which would be spotted in a heart beat.

I do believe that THIS is what the "DOME PROJECT" is about, and it's being shot here in S. Cali, where all the unions are. Simple Nondisclosure agreements have already been in place, and now that we've lost 2 major, MAJOR soap operas, we've people DESPERATE for good, clean work!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
A beautiful tour 25 pics, of the Bucharest Parliament building.
http://www.explorra.com/attractions/palace-of-parliament-casa-poporului_8878#photo-1

Very interesting stats on the building.  MJ’s name is famous because of his slip-up. (Haha, but he knows how to get his name talked about!)  It’s all for love, IMO!
http://www.explorra.com/attractions/palace-of-parliament-casa-poporului_8878

White chocolate statue of MJ in Budapest
http://www.adventurouskate.com/visiting-the-white-chocolate-statue-of-michael-jackson/

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 03:31:05 PM
Speaking about castles I found this video of Michael and Prince playing chess together :) and talking about castle.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MC6HFS3N2I[/youtube]
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MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 03:54:34 PM
@MJonmind: thank you for posting those nice links!
I am glad the Palace of Parliament from Bucharest raised so much interest in this thread.
Michael knew very well what he was doing! he got the highest attention by going there!
This palace is very controversial in Romania.
We have a sort of a love-hate relationship with this Palace!

Love because it is indeed beautiful and impressive!! I've been there in August 2009! The place is GIGANTIC.
You can see it from the pics, but when you are there ... OMG!!!
The interiors make you feel like a KING, when you walk there you feel like that!
I've only had that feeling when I was visiting Versailles!

And hate because of obvious reasons! This palace was built with human sacrifice! A lot of workers died there, like slaves! There were inhuman working conditions!

Ceausescu was a tiranic dictator, but he loved Romania in his own maniac egocentric way!
He did a lot of harm , but he also did good! he built a lot!
Neither of the Romanian leaders that followed him  can say they left something behind them, they did nothing for this country than steal from it and sell it to foreigners!!
But Ceausescu did left something behind him! I don't defend him, but he has some merits...
He had this pride about "his country"! He wanted it to be the best! The way he built this Palace is the best proof of how he saw Romania!
When Ceausescu died, executed in the 1989 Revolution, Romania had ZERO debts to foreign countries! Romania was the no 1 producer of wheat in Europe!
Yet most of its population was kept in cold and hunger, at the subsistence limit! It's a paradox! I will never understand that! In fact, it's impossible to understand! The man was crazy! He had lost touch with reality! People who lived in his times say that at the beginning, in the '70s, he was a good leader, everybody had a job and a home assured! But then power went up to his brains and he lost it! Starting with the '80s he became a dictator.

The Boulevard that is seen from the balcony of the Palace , is built 3 meters longer and a few centimeters wider than the Champs-Elysees Boulevard from Paris! Just to see how maniac he was! He wanted to have anything bigger and longer and wider than others have done before!

I'll give you some more info about this palace:
1. It has a surface of 330,000 m2, registered in the "Guinness Book of Records" at the category "Administrative Buildings", on the 2nd place in the world after the Pentagon!!

2. and in terms of volume, with 2.550.000 m3, the palace is the the 3rd in the world after the space missile assembly building  from Cape Florida Canareval and after Quetzalcoatl pyramid in Mexico.

3. For comparison: the building exceeds with 2% the volume of  Cheops pyramid in Egypt.


Some more info about Bucharest and its cultural side:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SfKKvKSFHs[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kuvmFpNcI[/youtube]


This is a photo that I took in 2009

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
[...]
@Sim....chess isn't that difficult of game really.  There are rules for each piece....that does get confusing and I forget them.  However, I find that's it truly a game of anticipation and out-thinking your opponent.  I am really not a very good player...I can play, but take forever to "see" all the possible moves.  I enjoy watching others play as well.  The thought process of a good player is light-speed ahead of me.  It's amazing to watch.  It's a game of forethought, calculated risks and determination....sounds like familiar attributes, LOL. 
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Speaking about castles I found this video of Michael and Prince playing chess together :) and talking about castle.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MC6HFS3N2I[/youtube]

Since chess is also very discussed here...
I did a photo-montage last year about it, had posted it in the thread about Dr. House connections....

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 04:44:38 PM
OMGosh.....emulik!  That video is the most adorable ever......I love it!  It's so heartwarming...thank you so much!  Lives in a castle.....the stuff fairytale dreams are made of.....for sure. Thank you so much for the post...it's amazing!

I had a feeling you had chess pictures Sim, lol.  I remember seeing them, but couldn't remember if it was one big montage, or spread over a few......thank you so much for posting it here.....they are awesome!

You guys are amazing with your posts and finds.....I truly appreciate you!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 05:02:42 PM
Such beautiful art in Romania, that would be such a good place to travel to.  Alas I would be dreaming.
It is a fact that history and the visuals are as much shaped by its villians as its heroes. (Again that's because God is the creator of ALL.  What would history be if Adam and Eve had billions of descendants who never wore a stitch of clothes, only sat around eating fruit all day because the ground had not been cursed, and hardly knew anything because their eyes had not been opened. I just can't imagine it.)

I can see why Michael would have been so captivated there, and want to buy a castle, or real estate.
I remember when the 1989 news was happening and saw the broadcasted video of Ceausenscu and his wife actually being executed.  I remember one thing they said women weren’t allowed to have abortions, so everyone had huge families, and women were angry about that.  Do you have more understanding of that aspect?


Ah, Prince is so-o-o-o cute in that video!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
Ok, this is a just for fun post:

Regarding the numerous WATER references in this thread and Michael's hoax in general,
I thought you'd be interested to know, that Romania has the shape of a fat FISH with a small posterior flipper that "comes" out of the Black SEA when you look at it on the map!

And taking into account that the Romanian mountains are full of GOLD, I think I may call my country The GOLDen FISH lol  :lol:

I wonder if we can make wishes to this "Gold Fish"!? lol Will it fulfill our wishes??  :lol:




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 05:39:45 PM
Such beautiful art in Romania, that would be such a good place to travel to.  Alas I would be dreaming.
It is a fact that history and the visuals are as much shaped by its villians as its heroes. (Again that's because God is the creator of ALL.  What would history be if Adam and Eve had billions of descendants who never wore a stitch of clothes, only sat around eating fruit all day because the ground had not been cursed, and hardly knew anything because their eyes had not been opened. I just can't imagine it.)
SO TRUE!!!

I can see why Michael would have been so captivated there, and want to buy a castle, or real estate.
YESS!! I loved Michael even more when he took the time to visit a bit , he didn't just go from the airport to the hotel, stage and then back to the airport! He was interested in the place and made sure to show his interest !
He also  renovated completely an orphanage in Bucharest. He mainly did, in Romania, what he did everywhere he went: he spread LOVE!

I remember when the 1989 news was happening and saw the broadcasted video of Ceausenscu and his wife actually being executed.  I remember one thing they said women weren’t allowed to have abortions, so everyone had huge families, and women were angry about that.  Do you have more understanding of that aspect?
Yes, Ceausescu interdicted  abortions. But not because he was religious !! The communists were atheists and it's a miracle that the Romanian people remained profoundly religious, spiritual, the Romanians never lost their faith in God! The communists didn't succeed with this goal!
Many women had 5 or 6 kids back in those times. Many got killed either as a consequence of unsuccessful, clandestine abortions or in prison! If they were caught, they were thrown  in prison! that was almost always the equivalent of a death penalty...

What was the reason for that? Ceausescu wanted to increase the labor force! he always treated its people like slaves! That was the main reason!
The consequence: thousands of orphans! After 1989, the first thing that foreign countries would learn about Romania, was the fact it was the country with the greatest no. of orphans in Europe! and most of the orphanages were in extremely bad shape!

And the 1989 revolution was actually a "Coup d'Etat" prepared from the outside !! I think of course, about the Forces that rule the world today! always have! always will!
Ceausescu's mania was going against the plans of the NWO of depopulation!
Ceausescu was an independent leader! He didn't follow the orders of the "Invisible" One World Government!
Ceausescu didn't sell his country  like the present Romanian leaders do!
So you see, Ceausescu was very INCONVENIENT! So "they" eliminated him!

I am very much sure that the Romanian people was too scared and too vulnerable to act alone, by itself against Ceausescu. There would have never been a revolution in Romania, without some "foreign help" !! if you know what I mean!!
There is a lot of evidence, many testimonies (just like in the "9/11 Tragedy") that indicate this was a PLANNED Revolution from the outside!!

And Ceausescu KNEW it!! Among his last words during the fake trial that he had (everybody admits now, that Ceausescu, as guilty as he was, didn't have a normal, fair trial! they wanted to finish him quickly, so they hasted the "trial" !!), so Ceausescu's words, are never forgotten by the Romanians! it sounded lie a curse, but it was the truth! he said: "HISTORY WILL JUDGE YOU!"


I didn't want to sound like I regret him. Oh no!! Don't misunderstand me!!
The only difference between Ceausescu and the current leaders of Romania is this:
The Romanians suffered in communism because of Ceausescu because HE exploited them!
The Romanians suffer now, in capitalism because the "democratic" leaders let the Foreign Powers to exploit this nation!
That's the only difference! ---))  Ceausescu was an independent dictator, while these so-called "politicians" of today are but caricatures, pure PUPPETS in the hands of Foreign Dictators! that's how I see things! Nobody has to agree with me!
The leaders always have something to gain! And the common people always LOSE, always SUFFER!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 07:13:41 PM
That video of Prince playing chess while singing the "ABC"alphabet (cutest!) made me smile and Paris too, who really had to consider if she really wanted to play chess  lolol/ Thanks Emulik!

Such beautiful art in Romania, that would be such a good place to travel to.  Alas I would be dreaming.
It is a fact that history and the visuals are as much shaped by its villians as its heroes. (Again that's because God is the creator of ALL.  What would history be if Adam and Eve had billions of descendants who never wore a stitch of clothes, only sat around eating fruit all day because the ground had not been cursed, and hardly knew anything because their eyes had not been opened. I just can't imagine it.)
SO TRUE!!!

I can see why Michael would have been so captivated there, and want to buy a castle, or real estate.
YESS!! I loved Michael even more when he took the time to visit a bit , he didn't just go from the airport to the hotel, stage and then back to the airport! He was interested in the place and made sure to show his interest !
He also  renovated completely an orphanage in Bucharest. He mainly did, in Romania, what he did everywhere he went: he spread LOVE!

I remember when the 1989 news was happening and saw the broadcasted video of Ceausenscu and his wife actually being executed.  I remember one thing they said women weren’t allowed to have abortions, so everyone had huge families, and women were angry about that.  Do you have more understanding of that aspect?
Yes, Ceausescu interdicted  abortions. But not because he was religious !! The communists were atheists and it's a miracle that the Romanian people remained profoundly religious, spiritual, the Romanians never lost their faith in God! The communists didn't succeed with this goal!
Many women had 5 or 6 kids back in those times. Many got killed either as a consequence of unsuccessful, clandestine abortions or in prison! If they were caught, they were thrown  in prison! that was almost always the equivalent of a death penalty...

What was the reason for that? Ceausescu wanted to increase the labor force! he always treated its people like slaves! That was the main reason!
The consequence: thousands of orphans! After 1989, the first thing that foreign countries would learn about Romania, was the fact it was the country with the greatest no. of orphans in Europe! and most of the orphanages were in extremely bad shape!

And the 1989 revolution was actually a "Coup d'Etat" prepared from the outside !! I think of course, about the Forces that rule the world today! always have! always will!
Ceausescu's mania was going against the plans of the NWO of depopulation!
Ceausescu was an independent leader! He didn't follow the orders of the "Invisible" One World Government!
Ceausescu didn't sell his country  like the present Romanian leaders do!
So you see, Ceausescu was very INCONVENIENT! So "they" eliminated him!

I am very much sure that the Romanian people was too scared and too vulnerable to act alone, by itself against Ceausescu. There would have never been a revolution in Romania, without some "foreign help" !! if you know what I mean!!
There is a lot of evidence, many testimonies (just like in the "9/11 Tragedy") that indicate this was a PLANNED Revolution from the outside!!

And Ceausescu KNEW it!! Among his last words during the fake trial that he had (everybody admits now, that Ceausescu, as guilty as he was, didn't have a normal, fair trial! they wanted to finish him quickly, so they hasted the "trial" !!), so Ceausescu's words, are never forgotten by the Romanians! it sounded lie a curse, but it was the truth! he said: "HISTORY WILL JUDGE YOU!"


I didn't want to sound like I regret him. Oh no!! Don't misunderstand me!!
The only difference between Ceausescu and the current leaders of Romania is this:
The Romanians suffered in communism because of Ceausescu because HE exploited them!
The Romanians suffer now, in capitalism because the "democratic" leaders let the Foreign Powers to exploit this nation!
That's the only difference! ---))  Ceausescu was an independent dictator, while these so-called "politicians" of today are but caricatures, pure PUPPETS in the hands of Foreign Dictators! that's how I see things! Nobody has to agree with me!
The leaders always have something to gain! And the common people always LOSE, always SUFFER!


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The consequence: thousands of orphans! After 1989, the first thing that foreign countries would learn about Romania, was the fact it was the country with the greatest no. of orphans in Europe! and most of the orphanages were in extremely bad shape!
 

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Bucharest Journal; Little Care and Less Love: Romania's Sad Orphans

By JANE PERLEZ
Published: October 27, 1994


In a drab dormitory, small children old enough to walk and talk grip the rails of their cribs in frustrated attempts at locomotion, silently rocking back and forth. A playroom filled with toys, a paradise of imagination and exercise donated by foreigners, remains locked because the children's caretakers consider it too much trouble to supervise. The caretakers, women in white uniforms, sit a few yards away in the corridor, smoking and chatting.

In one crib, the oldest child, 6-year-old Gheorghe, his hair a tousle of dark curls and his eyes wide and brown, lies on his back, occasionallymanaging to pull himself up to peer out of his little prison. Until a few months ago, when an American volunteer visited, no one had bothered during Gheorghe's six years of institutional life to encourage him to sit or stand. Even the volunteer's interest has not enabled him to overcome his stunted development.

As in many Romanian children's institutions, physical conditions at Lacul Bucor Hospital have improved marginally since the fall of the Communist leader, Nicolae Ceausescu, when thousands of children were found warehoused -- often three to a bed in filthy and cold buildings -- and were given very little food.


Despite Western help from dozens of charities and some governments, Romanian babies are still abandoned at alarming rates. As the children shuffle from institution to institution, they suffer from poor and hostile care at the hands of untrained staffs, Romanian and Western experts say.

One of the biggest barriers to improvement, the experts say, is the presence of Iulian Mincu as Minister of Health. Dr. Mincu was Mr. Ceausescu's personal doctor and one of the masterminds of giving micro-infusions of blood, much of which turned out to be H.I.V.-infected, to underweight Romanian babies in the 1980's. A former hard-line Communist, Dr. Mincu is now responsible for the orphanages containing children under 3.

An outspoken Romanian pediatrician, Dr. Livia David, said that until the Government changed its policy to encourage family care -- through adoption or foster care -- instead of favoring institutional care, the plight of Romania's orphans would remain largely unchanged. The Government of Mr. Ceausescu's successor, President Ion Iliescu, still believed in the Ceausescu philosophy that "parenting" by the state was acceptable, she suggested.

"What is going to happen to him?" asked Dr. David as she watched a 2-year-old struggle with his first steps at St. Catherine's, a showcase orphanage in Bucharest visited by the pop star Michael Jackson. "When he's 3 he has to go to another institution and by the time he's 4 he will be very difficult to like. I would like the older children to go to foster families or private institutions, not these big state institutions."

To get the children out of institutions into adopting or foster care families is a formidable process because of a labyrinth of laws and bureaucracy surrounding the national Romanian Adoption Committee, the official agency for adoptions, the experts say.

A British couple, Bernadette and Adrian Mooney, tried to bypass the committee by paying a middleman $6,000 and ferreting a 5-month-old child across the Romanian border in July in a box hidden in the back seat of their car. They were sentenced to two and a half years in jail on Oct. 14.

Of an estimated 100,000 children institutionalized under the age of 16 only a handful are legally eligible for adoption because of the tradition of parental rights. And many of the children, physically and mentally damaged by rough institutional treatment, do not meet many couples' ideals of an adoptable child.

"The myth is that there are thousands of families who want to adopt," said Rebecca Tucker, the director of the international adoption office of Holt International Children's Services, an American agency that has been working here for the last four years. "But what do those families want? They want an infant, not an older child. They want a child in perfect health and they want a child who is white. You will see a lot of Gypsy children, a lot of older kids and a lot of kids with special needs in the orphanages."

Perhaps the biggest stumbling block to freeing children from institutions is the official attitude that the parents of a child have paramount rights to the child, no matter how delinquent as parents they may be. A law passed last year was supposed to ease this situation but is not working well, the experts said.

The new law says that if a parent has not visited a child in six months the child can be declared abandoned and become eligible for adoption.

But in reality, Ms. Tucker said, orphanage directors are reluctant to declare children abandoned for fear of losing them and thus the financial allowance the Government gives the orphanage for their care. In other cases, there are no workers available to do the necessary paper work, she said.

In Constanta, a city on the Black Sea coast, babies are being abandoned in great numbers by parents because of increasing poverty, said Dr. Rodica Matusa, a pediatrician in charge of abandoned children infected with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS.

Rather than focus on what appears to be the near impossible -- reforming institutions -- some international groups have concentrated on the best longterm solutions: trying to persuade some Romanian parents to keep their children or others to adopt. More than 3,000 Romanian families adopted children last year.

One of the most stunning successes in the efforts to insure babies a home came this year through the work of the Romanian Orphanage Trust, a British agency, which, like Holt, has placed specially trained social workers in maternity wards. These are the places where indigent mothers most often dump their babies.

When Alexandra Ion was born this year, her 18-year-old mother, Clara, declared that she did not want the child, her first. Mioara Stamescu, a social worker employed by the trust, counseled Adrian Ion, the 28-year-old father, saying that Alexandra was beautiful and healthy and that it would be best for her to be with him, even without his wife, who had fled.

Mr. Ion, a poorly paid factory worker, took the baby to his one-room apartment in the industrial city of Ploesti, 50 miles north of Bucharest, and with the help of a cousin and donations from the trust looked after her.

A few months ago, he took Alexandra to his parents' home in the village of Vilcaresti, where the child is smothered with affection. Mr. Ion feeds her, changes her diapers, plays with her and acts like a model single parent in the West.

"She's my child, it doesn't matter what happens in the world," Mr. Ion said as the baby gurgled happily. "I would have something on my conscience if I didn't look after her. And now I realize what I would have missed if I had abandoned her in the maternity ward."

Recently, Mr. Ion saved enough to buy Alexandra a pair of tiny gold drop earrings. At their next visit to the baby clinic, Mr. Ion said, the pediatrician will pierce her ears for the new ornaments, an outward sign in Romania of a loved child.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/27/world/bucharest-journal-little-care-and-less-love-romania-s-sad-orphans.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP8LrO1tsZo [/youtube]

still conditions in in too many orphanages are poor :(

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Romanian orphans

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article needs attention from an expert on the subject. See the talk page for details. WikiProject Romania or the Romania Portal may be able to help recruit an expert. (March 2011)
 

The standard of living for Romanian orphans is still grave despite vast improvements since their conditions were leaked to the West after the fall of the Communist government in 1989. A news report on the American newsmagazine 20/20, which first aired on October 5, 1990, was the first to show the conditions in full detail on television.[1]
 
Under Nicolae Ceauşescu, both abortion and contraception were forbidden, leading to a rise in birth rates.[2] This resulted in many children being abandoned and these were joined in the orphanages by disabled and mentally ill people. Together these vulnerable groups were subjected to institutionalised neglect and abuse, including physical and sexual abuse and use of drugs to control behaviour.
 
[edit] Conditions
 
Orphanages lacked both medicines and washing facilities, and children were subject to sexual and physical abuse.[3]
 
The conditions in orphanages had declined after 1982, as a result of Ceauşescu's decision to seize much of the country's economic output in order to repay its foreign debt.[3]
 
As the realities of life in Romanian orphanages emerged after December 1989, the reaction outside Romania was of shock at the plight of the orphans, and numerous charities were established.[4] Numerous fund-raising activities have been conducted by various parties, such as the 1990 album Nobody's Child: Romanian Angel Appeal, which was compiled by George and Olivia Harrison for AIDS-infected orphans.[5]
 
In 2006, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh was criticised for a joke in which he said there were so many orphans "over there you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." [6]
 
In September 2005, Emma Nicholson, Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, the European Parliament's rapporteur for Romania, stated "Romania has profoundly reformed [from top to bottom] its child protection system and has evolved from one of the worst systems in Europe to one of the best. Countries like Ukraine could learn a lot today from the Romanian example."[7]
 
In an accession report published prior to November 2005, European Union observers were positive regarding the situation of the child care system in Romania.[8]
 
Deinstitutionalisaing them had been made a condition of Romanian entry into the European Union, but an investigation by BBC journalist Chris Rogers in 2009 revealed that conditions in some institutions are still very poor and large numbers of institutionalised and traumatised people are still held in inadequate conditions, with many apparently having entered the system post-Ceauşescu.[9] In early 2011 two British charities Hope and Homes for Children and ARK launched a plan to complete the reform of the Romanian Child Protection Systems and close all large children's homes in Romania by 2020.[10]
 
Number of children in the care of the state between 1990-2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_orphans
 

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 07:28:15 PM
Ok, this is a just for fun post:

Regarding the numerous WATER references in this thread and Michael's hoax in general,
I thought you'd be interested to know, that Romania has the shape of a fat FISH with a small posterior flipper that "comes" out of the Black SEA when you look at it on the map!

And taking into account that the Romanian mountains are full of GOLD, I think I may call my country The GOLDen FISH lol  :lol:

I wonder if we can make wishes to this "Gold Fish"!? lol Will it fulfill our wishes??  :lol:






Didn't Michael call an attractive women, "fish"?  Or am I remembering wrong.....it wouldn't be the first time, LOL.
Great post Sim....love all your work.....such amazing info.  Thank you!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 10:08:02 PM
Maybe the castle bit by Pearl Jr. is just hype. In SimPattyK's pictures on this thread, the courtyard picture, where there is some kind of well and people around it, reminded me of some pictures I saw of Hayvenhurst, with a fountain instead of a well. I read somewhere years ago that MJ had patterned and built THAT structure after a castle he liked. This appears partly, at least to be it. (UNLESS---he is doing it AGAIN! afraid/ :mrgreen: )

Still, I think discovering Romania is most important. I remember in the late eighties or early nineties, there was a desperate call for people from the U.S. to adopt Romanian children and rescue them from their country,as if there was NO hope that things would turn around. But it wasn't exactly that, it was that things wouldn't turn around IN TIME, before whole lives were damaged. These adoptions were being streamlined with a minimum of red tape to encourage people who only wanted infants to adopt older children, and even adopt more than one child. They had NO means or other decent solution to the plight of thousands of kids, practically stored in warehouses in the meantime. The conditions were appalling and unbelievable, then. Their physical needs were barely being supplied, but there was no familial love or hope or joy in their "homes". I can't imagine spending an entire childhood in Institution.  :-\  :'( :'(

Thank you, so much for all the information about Romania in this thread, and the other one about Invisible Forces trying to run the governments. All of this is quite the EYE OPENER, ???/  very sobering and very thought provoking... :geek:

@ SimPattyK & Wishingstar,
I noticed, too that the country is shaped like a fat fish, but I was thinking "puffer" or blowfish, which are CUTE but poison  errrr , I think. :shock: . I like your friendly Goldfish version, better!  bearhug

And, yes, I remember, too, MJ referring to ladies and girls with his  ;)) code term, 'fish'. He will certainly have his pick in Romania, if he settles there. With or without a castle, the natural beauty and resources and mystery of this country are enough to make him  ♫ speechless for a long long time!  8-)  :)
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 10:55:45 PM
My Romanian  Father in  law immigrated to Australia with his Serbian wife and their 3 sons in 1954. He used to tell us stories of them getting off the ship in Sydney harbour with all their possessions in one suitcase and not being able to speak the language. That always impressed me as so very courageous. Before immigrating, they spent time in a refugee camp living in a tent for months in Italy.  Life here wasn't easy for him either. He went to work in the steel works in Port Kembla where he often worked double shifts to make money for his family. He bought a very small cottage that he eventually paid off and owned and considered himself to be rich in comparison to what he had come from. I don't really know why I am saying all this except to mention that we are all more connected than we realize.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 27, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
My Romanian  Father in  law immigrated to Australia with his Serbian wife and their 3 sons in 1954. He used to tell us stories of them getting off the ship in Sydney harbour with all their possessions in one suitcase and not being able to speak the language. That always impressed me as so very courageous. Before immigrating, they spent time in a refugee camp living in a tent for months in Italy.  Life here wasn't easy for him either. He went to work in the steel works in Port Kembla where he often worked double shifts to make money for his family. He bought a very small cottage that he eventually paid off and owned and considered himself to be rich in comparison to what he had come from. I don't really know why I am saying all this except to mention that we are all more connected than we realize.

Yes, which means there is hope for everyone for things to get better, with a little gratitude, fortitude and elbow grease. You are so right, it took some serious, focused courage, and they just proved what was really inside them to go for it.  bow/ 
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 01:15:59 AM
Maybe the castle bit by Pearl Jr. is just hype. In SimPattyK's pictures on this thread, the courtyard picture, where there is some kind of well and people around it, reminded me of some pictures I saw of Hayvenhurst, with a fountain instead of a well. I read somewhere years ago that MJ had patterned and built THAT structure after a castle he liked. This appears partly, at least to be it. (UNLESS---he is doing it AGAIN! afraid/ :mrgreen: )
Very interesting! SO again: WATER!!
Definitely Michael wants to make a POINT about WATER!


Still, I think discovering Romania is most important.
Me too !
So far, the reasons why?
- Possible hidden place ( secret castle ? )
- WATER
- children : the most vulnerable, the orphans, "The Lost Children"

I remember in the late eighties or early nineties, there was a desperate call for people from the U.S. to adopt Romanian children and rescue them from their country,as if there was NO hope that things would turn around. But it wasn't exactly that, it was that things wouldn't turn around IN TIME, before whole lives were damaged. These adoptions were being streamlined with a minimum of red tape to encourage people who only wanted infants to adopt older children, and even adopt more than one child.
^^This , in turn also led to another disastrous consequence!! the ILLEGAL ADOPTIONS!! The child trafficking !! That unfortunately is still going on !! people literally SELL and BUY children ! Some for true families, others for pedophiles and I don't even want to think what other purposes!! It's really AWFUL!!
Therefore, the crazy measure imposed by Ceausescu 30-40 years ago, of interdicting abortions, led to thousands of orphans and also to the emergence of an ILLEGAL ACTIVITY ----CHILD TRAFFICKING !

I am sorry I don't have time to translate that much , but there are dozens of Romanian articles about the illegal adoptions! I will give you some links (I translated only the titles of the articles), you only need to copy paste the texts through the translator-robot http://translate.google.com/ to have an idea what those articles are about!
If there's one that interests you most , I will translate it for you! ;)

- Italians continue to adopt illegally Romanian children
- Illegal adoptions: possible for anyone in Romania and Bulgaria (researches made by BBC and the Romanian Television).
- USA and UE force re-opening the International adoptions
- The scandal about illegal adoptions explodes even in the USA massmedia
- REPORT regarding the child trafficking in Romania (Save the children - March 2004)
- Millions of EURO from child trafficking


They had NO means or other decent solution to the plight of thousands of kids, practically stored in warehouses in the meantime. The conditions were appalling and unbelievable, then. Their physical needs were barely being supplied, but there was no familial love or hope or joy in their "homes". I can't imagine spending an entire childhood in Institution.  :-\  :'( :'(
Yeah, it's horrible what happens! My heart squeezes only to think about this situation!
The worst part : in certain areas, nothing changed till this day!

Thank you, so much for all the information about Romania in this thread, and the other one about Invisible Forces trying to run the governments. All of this is quite the EYE OPENER, ???/  very sobering and very thought provoking... :geek:
Thank you! I am glad if I can help!  in any way! I really want to help!

@ SimPattyK & Wishingstar,
And, yes, I remember, too, MJ referring to ladies and girls with his  ;)) code term, 'fish'. He will certainly have his pick in Romania, if he settles there. With or without a castle, the natural beauty and resources and mystery of this country are enough to make him  ♫ speechless for a long long time!  8-)  :)
ooh believe me! I also thought about Michael's expression when I posted that photo-montage about the "gold fish" ! lmao  :lol: :lol: I didn't say anything, I wanted to see who will make the connection first! lmao  :lol: :lol:

Here at the minute 02:55 he says "There's good "FISH" back there..."  :lol:  :lol: I so love him! so funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q1VvxqBwHk

Quote from: RK
My Romanian  Father in  law immigrated to Australia with his Serbian wife and their 3 sons in 1954.
[. . . .]
I don't really know why I am saying all this except to mention that we are all more connected than we realize.
Thank you, @RK, for sharing your interesting story about your father-in-law! You're so right!! We truly are  ALL very much connected in the most unexpected ways!
On the other thread, MaryK was telling a story about her former physics teacher that was also a Romanian.... I think many members of this forum have more or less direct connections to Romanians!

Regarding immigrants... the world is full of Romanians that left the country for all possible reasons!! in the past half of century or so...
The "favorite" destination countries for Romanians to leave to have always been: Germany, Italy, France, Spain, America, Canada, also many others, but these ones in particular!
France, Italy and Spain ... I think mainly because of the Latin connection!
The other ones represent(ed) the ideal of a country in the minds of Romanians! (from economic point of view mostly....)
Canada and also Ireland opened many opportunities for immigrants , especially back in the '90s, because they needed to populate their lands! They really had lots of unpopulated land those times!
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 01:38:53 AM
We Romanians are quite a bunch here aren't we blackjack :twisted:.... :lol: But I still miss you. I hope some day you will tell me who you really were.

Thank you Sim for posting more info...about Ceausescu, I agree with you. He was mad, no doubt about it, he did bad but he also did good things. I know I was 18 in 1989 so I know how was it like before the revolution. For our parents it was bad, we the kids didn't feel it so bad because our parents fought for us to not feel the poverty but I know they struggled too much :(.
But also....I was NOT afraid to walk alone on streets at any hour in the night. It was SAFE you know.
Now I don't feel that safety.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:14:31 AM
Good morning everybody
 bearhug

Sim, since you mentioned my teacher again, I went to search him on Facebook. I wasn´t to confident of finding him...it´s been a long time and I don´t even know how old he is now.
But: yeah, he´s there. Still living in my area. That´s nice on one hand and sad on the other. He always said he would love to return to Romania later in life. Obviously he did not.  :cry:
You and I were never separate

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:29:15 AM
So many interesting facts and theories in this thread. /woohoo/

All started by a little hint from "more precious than any Pearl" herself.

Well, here is a recent article connecting palaces-Romania-children. WTF??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510100/Revealed-How-Romanian-pickpocket-gangs-building-palaces-home-child-slave-labour.html

Don't know if this is relevant but none the less I thought I'd post it here.

Titania
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:47:50 AM
One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe

: )
Blessings!

What would be the geometria match for ROMANIA, wishingstar?

"BELIEVE" is always encouraging when it pops up...

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therefor have words that "equal" each other...coincidence, perhaps....who knows : )




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:05:15 AM
How far we've strayed from castles in Romania! :lol:   But maybe somehow that's what MJ intended if he's behind Pearl's request.


Titania, your article on "Fagin-style" crooks, is like Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens, a production that MJ went to see.


Everlastinglove_MJ, had quoted Prince Philip's comment on the orphanages:
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In 2006, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh was criticised for a joke in which he said there were so many orphans "over there you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages." [6]

Well, his view on humans in general is not very compassionate.
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In August 1988, in an interview with Deutsche Presse-Agentur, Prince Philip stated:
 
``In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.''
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/tinny.htm
As much as thousands of people around the world are sacrificing their time and lives to help, there are evil/greedy people bringing more suffering.

This topic is so hard not to think about the plight of children around the world:


The movie Slum-dog Millionaire, in India. I loved this movie and it won awards.
http://www.noripcord.com/reviews/film/slumdog-millionaire


Child-trafficking in Indonesia before/after the earthquake in 2004. Good adoptions were stopped, to stop the bad ones. Sad.
http://febriedethan.hubpages.com/hub/Children-Trafficking-in-Indonesia


MJ’s  charter of “Children’s Universal Bill of Rights”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/mar/07/highereducation.education


Thanks to all for the interesting info and stories posted above!
We really need MJ to do whatever he plans to do, to bring healing to the planet.  He can do it, and we support him 1000%!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 09:45:59 AM
One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe

: )
Blessings!

What would be the geometria match for ROMANIA, wishingstar?

"BELIEVE" is always encouraging when it pops up...

Titania

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therefor have words that "equal" each other...coincidence, perhaps....who knows : )





Well, Titania.....what can I say?  Here is the gematria for 71:

71=Romania, dreaming, spider, John Doe, celebrate, (and my favorite)....... Im Alive.....

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

So...the ambulance had a 71 on it.  It always come back to that ambulance for me.  Perhaps that whole scene was a metaphor for reality?  It was backing out of life, to go live as a John Doe in Romania. Who knows.......I do know coffee is needed.
Thank you for the prompting of the Romania match....very well done!
Blessings to you always.......
LOVE

PS> and if that was a whole metaphor.....then the 17 on the tour bus was a mirrored image of reality....or an opposite end of the spectrum.  In one vehicle we have a person escaping the pressures of fame, in another vehicle we have the pressure itself. 
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

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71=Romania, dreaming, spider, John Doe, celebrate, (and my favorite)....... Im Alive.....

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

So...the ambulance had a 71 on it.

 :o  WTF?? no it can't be  more than a coincidence bangbang

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe


TITANIA: "What would be the geometria match for ROMANIA, wishingstar?"

Here is the gematria for 71:

71=Romania, dreaming, spider, John Doe, celebrate, (and my favorite)....... Im Alive.....

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

So...the ambulance had a 71 on it.  It always come back to that ambulance for me.  Perhaps that whole scene was a metaphor for reality?  It was backing out of life, to go live as a John Doe in Romania. Who knows.......I do know coffee is needed.
Thank you for the prompting of the Romania match....very well done!
Blessings to you always.......
LOVE

PS> and if that was a whole metaphor.....then the 17 on the tour bus was a mirrored image of reality....or an opposite end of the spectrum.  In one vehicle we have a person escaping the pressures of fame, in another vehicle we have the pressure itself. 
afraid/ WHAAAT ??? OMG! WTF?? bow/ respect/

Thank you so much Wishingstar! bearhug
What I don't understand is how you find the words attached to Romania?
From the link you gave above ^^ I could see that Romania corresponds to no. 71, but how did you see it corresponds to the other words you enumerated?

I wanted to search the gematria for: Dracula, water, children, Transylvania, but I couldn't.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 12:46:29 PM
Ok, this is a just for fun post:

Regarding the numerous WATER references in this thread and Michael's hoax in general,
I thought you'd be interested to know, that Romania has the shape of a fat FISH with a small posterior flipper that "comes" out of the Black SEA when you look at it on the map!

And taking into account that the Romanian mountains are full of GOLD, I think I may call my country The GOLDen FISH lol  :lol:


I wonder if we can make wishes to this "Gold Fish"!? lol Will it fulfill our wishes??  :lol:






Didn't Michael call an attractive women, "fish"?  Or am I remembering wrong.....it wouldn't be the first time, LOL.
Great post Sim....love all your work.....such amazing info.  Thank you!

Blessings Always


Michael called searching for girls "fishing" :P

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kTKwfXOqSc[/youtube]

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
@ Sim you're so funny.......the words are all on the list already.  When you go to this link:

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

You will see the word "Romania" already typed in.  Go down the list to either "English" or "simple" gematria.....that's what I pay most attention to. The Jewish gematria is a different numerical system and is very long....interesting, but long.  You will see the words/phrases already listed under the English or simple forms.  I have no idea who put them there....coincidence?  Perhaps.  I just find all these connections to be mind boggling at times.  I have always thought that someone is behind the gematria stuff as well.  Ever since that first site I found, run by William.  Was that found out too early on in the hoax (if so, sorry about that Michael, lol).  This site I use now, random people can add their words.  But some of them are very, very random.....like "Im Alive"  :shock: Who except an insider or a believer maybe would add that phrase to 71?
OK...the words are showing up for you aren't they?  Or am I totally over-hoaxed and losing it  geek/ :lol:
Hope that helps explain things a little bit.  I will be happy to explain more......Hugs to you!

@ Katie2...Yes Yes!  I thought it was the word, "fish" I heard a long time ago.  Thanks for posting that clip....it's so funny. He's such a guy, lol. 

Blessings to you both...
have a beautiful day!
LOVE

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 01:28:43 PM
@Wishingstar: ok, now I got it.
I thought the other words in the chart are in no relation to the word you search. I was trying to click on the links given in the chart for that specific word, I totally ignored the other words in the chart...anyway! Now I finally saw them! It's really interesting! I'd like to know who is behind this site, who puts those words ans numbers there... Kind of strange this gematria stuff  smiley_spider
thank you for your help Wish ! bearhug


Regarding the "fish"...  :lol:

[....]
@ SimPattyK & Wishingstar,
And, yes, I remember, too, MJ referring to ladies and girls with his  ;)) code term, 'fish'. He will certainly have his pick in Romania, if he settles there. With or without a castle, the natural beauty and resources and mystery of this country are enough to make him  ♫ speechless for a long long time!  8-)  :)
ooh believe me! I also thought about Michael's expression when I posted that photo-montage about the "gold fish" ! lmao  :lol: :lol: I didn't say anything, I wanted to see who will make the connection first! lmao  :lol: :lol:

Here at the minute 02:55 he says "There's good "FISH" back there..."  :lol:  :lol: I so love him! so funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q1VvxqBwHk
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
@Sim......strange stuff indeed  smiley_spider
But, glad I could help put it into perspective better...it's so confusing at times.
I just don't what to make of the more random words or phrases.  That first site I
used was taken down almost immediately after I posted about gematria the first time.
Then I went out and found this current site.  Coincidence....perhaps....LOL, who knows!
Glad it interests you though......

Yes.....the fish thing....brilliant, just brilliant!  The only other time I have wanted to be a fish was
after watching the old movie, "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" with Don Knots... lol.



Blessings

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
ROMANIA & Michael the Brave !

Here below , are some historic facts about Romania, that  I thought relate somehow to MICHAEL.... and you'd probably be interested to read!
QUOTE from this site: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/history-of-romania.php


A sketch of the history of the Romanian people
The origins


As a non-migrating people, the Romanians were traditionally a people of farmers and shepherds. The roots of this people go far back in human history, well into the European prehistory, very old mines and other archaeological elements of civilization having been found on this territory.

For instance, an artifact (a clay tablet) found in Romania
 represents the 1st written message in the history of the mankind,
dated 5100-5300 BC
(more than 1500 before than the Sumerian civilization).

The recorded ancestors were the Dacians, who formed a powerful and rich country, a threat and a strong rival of the Roman Empire.
In 106 AD, after several battles the Romans managed to conquer a part of Dacia, including the capital which they destroyed, captured a huge fortune and got control of its rich mines and other natural resources. [...]Dacia remained a part of the Roman Empire for 171 years.

For the next hundreds of years, successive waves of migratory peoples passed over this territory, fought its inhabitants and were eventually assimilated.
This situation impeded however the formation of the 3 main Romanian principalities:
1. Moldavia,
2. Walachia and
3. Transylvania until the Middle Age (the latter under Hungarian or Austrian occupation until 1918).

[ . . . ]

A special moment in Romanian history was in May 1600 , when one of the
greatest Romanian leaders -MIHAI Viteazul (translated:  MICHAEL the Brave),
managed to unite the 3 main Romanian principalities
 (Walachia, Transylvania and Moldova) in a single state.


However, this union didn’t last long due to political conflicts with the surrounding countries and other strong interests. It represented however a breakthrough and MICHAELthe Brave is considered as one of the greatest national heroes.

[ . . . .]

Conclusions
In summary, Romania’s historical destiny is that of a people, formed in the geographic area surrounding the Carpathian Mountains, trying to defend themselves against inimical nations permanently threatening its territory.
There were no offensive wars in 2000 years of recorded history. - which stands as testimony for the peaceful character of the Romanian people, with no ambitions whatsoever of conquering other people’s territories, but only to preserve its national identity and territory.
[....]

This is MIHAI Viteazul
 (MICHAEL the Brave)



^^ This Made me think of Michael's photos
dressed like a Prince/King from ages ago!
Their clothes resemble A LOT !!




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
OMGosh.....emulik!  That video is the most adorable ever......I love it!  It's so heartwarming...thank you so much!  Lives in a castle.....the stuff fairytale dreams are made of.....for sure. Thank you so much for the post...it's amazing!

I had a feeling you had chess pictures Sim, lol.  I remember seeing them, but couldn't remember if it was one big montage, or spread over a few......thank you so much for posting it here.....they are awesome!

You guys are amazing with your posts and finds.....I truly appreciate you!
Have a beautiful day!
LOVE

you are very welcome Wishingstar :) yes, that video is wonderful...father and son playing and talking :) it is just amazing how Michael have raised his children.

@MJonmind..you are right, Prince is adorable there, I love his cute voice in the video :)
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:27:37 PM
Ok, this is a just for fun post:

Regarding the numerous WATER references in this thread and Michael's hoax in general,
I thought you'd be interested to know, that Romania has the shape of a fat FISH with a small posterior flipper that "comes" out of the Black SEA when you look at it on the map!

And taking into account that the Romanian mountains are full of GOLD, I think I may call my country The GOLDen FISH lol  :lol:

I wonder if we can make wishes to this "Gold Fish"!? lol Will it fulfill our wishes??  :lol:



thank you Sim..you are really better than Discovery channel and others.. ;D I mean that for real, I have learned so much from your findings..thank you so much!! /bravo/
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:33:08 PM
@emulik: thank you very much! I am glad if you learned so much from me.
These are not exactly my findings. What I post in this thread are historic facts, more precisely, my knowledge about Romania and its history... a selection of it, I select those things that relate more or less to Michael and the hoax.
Since Pearl insisted 3 times on Romania in that live chat, I think there's something we need to CONNECT to the hoax! She said the castle, but until now... the "castle theory" is not really standing!
Then what is it then?? What's up with Romania in relation to Michael that we must find out??


@Sim......strange stuff indeed  smiley_spider
But, glad I could help put it into perspective better...it's so confusing at times.
I just don't what to make of the more random words or phrases.  That first site I
used was taken down almost immediately after I posted about gematria the first time.
Then I went out and found this current site.  Coincidence....perhaps....LOL, who knows!
Glad it interests you though......
Yeah!! it's really bizarre that the site went down after you talked about it! And there are NO coincidences!
Too many coincidences! Something's on with that!


Yes.....the fish thing....brilliant, just brilliant!  The only other time I have wanted to be a fish was
after watching the old movie, "The Incredible Mr. Limpet" with Don Knots... lol.


Blessings
loll cute pic  :lol:
I didn't see it... what's it about? in great lines?
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 02:52:19 PM
What do you guys think about THIS ??   smiley_spider


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
^^ Maybe he got that badge in one of the 2 visits in Romania ?

Anyways, if Michael happens to be in Transylvania, I'm getting ready to meet him, since I live in the area LOL.  :lol:

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:06:40 PM
^^ Maybe he got that badge in one of the 2 visits in Romania ?

Anyways, if Michael happens to be in Transylvania, I'm getting ready to meet him, since I live in the area LOL.  :lol:
Me too!!! bounce/ bounce/
Michael we're waiting for you!  :lol: Come out!  moonwalk_/

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:20:31 PM

Michael called searching for girls "fishing" :P

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kTKwfXOqSc[/youtube]
That was not very nice from him  :evil:

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:21:18 PM
This post below, has in my opinion, some connection to the latest tendency on the forum, the spiritual/religious discussions, most notably TS last post - THE SIGN.


Spirituality in Romania
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/spirituality-in-romania.php

Orthodoxy

Spirituality is important for Romanians. Currently there is a rebound of spirituality in many forms, mostly organized religion (Orthodox Christianity), after being suppressed under the Communist regime.
People go to churches in large numbers, new ones being constantly built since 1989.
Bucharest is the European capital with the highest number of churches per 100,000 inhabitants.
There is even a village with a record-number of 26 churches, 1 church for each 11 families.
Historically, some ancient rulers had a habit of building a church or a monastery after winning an important battle, as a way to celebrate and thank God for the victory (all these are manifestations of Neptune on the MC).

Recently (2007), a new building project started, a 140 year old dream, the building of a national cathedral in Bucharest. This very costly project (about 400 millions euros) will be located near another very prominent building, the People’s House (Casa Poporului), the second largest building in the world after the Pentagon (which is actually a complex of buildings).
Sure, the attachment to traditions is high, even when it comes to spirituality, as 87% of Romanian are Orthodox Christian.

Other forms of spirituality

The situation of Oriental forms of spirituality has particular aspects in Romania.
In 1982, after a scandal involving a group of Transcendental Meditation practitioners, persecuted since then by the Communist regime, the practice of yoga and other forms of spirituality originating from the Orient were forbidden, until the regime change in 1989 (a situation unique in the world).
Soon after, a yoga school was founded (the Spiritual Movement of Integration in the Absolute - MISA ) which grew and extended worldwide, becoming as the largest yoga school in Europe. This particular yoga school has been the subject of continual political harassment, culminating with the exile of its spiritual leader in 2004, who was granted political asylum in Sweden.

The spiritual future of Romania

There have been prophecies by different mystics (Sadhu Sundar Singh, St. Seraphim of Sarov, others) on a bright spiritual future of Romania, as the country allegedly chosen by God to start the re-spiritualization of the world, for its humbleness and peaceful character.

Some have drawn a parallel between the huge building called the People’s House in the center of Bucharest and the biblical House of the Peoples described in the Apocalypse.


Pope John Paul II at his 1999 visit in Romania called this land "the Garden of the Mother of God".

Sure, there is a tendency of every people to feel very special about themselves, and arguably this is also the case here. For the purposes of this article, it suffices to say that there is a certain Romanian messianism especially in different spiritual groups.

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A short glimpse in the past transits of Neptune’s cycle will help understanding why this upcoming conjunction is so important:

- transiting Neptune in opposition with the natal Neptune and MC (1938-1941) – the culmination of an ultranationalist movement with a high emphasis on religion named the Iron Guard or the Legion of the Archangel Michael; this political movement achieved forming a “national legionary” government in late 1940 during a crisis situation for the country, but overplayed their role and were forced out of the government after attempting a military coup.

- transiting Neptune in trine with the natal Neptune and MC (1966-1968) – this represented the golden period of the Communist leader Nicolae Ceausescu (who ruled Romania between 1965-1989) when from a neutral position promoted international peace by ending Romania’s active participation in the Eastern Bloc military alliance named the Warsaw Pact and openly condemned the Soviet-lead invasion of Czechoslovakia of August 1968; also during the 1967 Israeli-Arab war, Romania was the only country in the Eastern Bloc to maintain diplomatic relations with both Israel and Arab states.

- transiting Neptune in square with the natal Neptune and MC (1981-1982) – a scandal surrounding a transcendental meditation experiment to positively influence the mankind (the Maharishi effect) lead to the total ban of any Oriental-flavored forms of spiritual practice in Romania, including yoga and other meditation techniques.
- transiting Neptune in sextile with the natal Neptune and MC (1994-1996) – nothing in particular that comes to mind…

This remains an open end article as it the future is certainly full of surprises and mainly unpredictable. The author of this article hopes improving and continuing it as his own understanding of this topic will improve.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:26:38 PM
What do you guys think about THIS ??   smiley_spider


No way LOL!!!
Sim I can NOT believe you're comparing MJ with Michael the brave lol. What's the next crazy idea? You are THIS close to prove that MJ was really born between Danube and Carpathians instead of Garry Indiana :lol:
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
@GINA: You misunderstand my posts...  I am not comparing... I am emphasizing on connections, similarities, parallels...
I know Michael loved history and learning things about every place he went to! So probably he was particularly drawn to our country , precisely because of these things ^^
I am trying to put myself in his shoes, you see? I am trying to understand what attracted Michael to Romania.
What drew him so much to this place to the point where he would be willing to hide here, maybe??
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
^^ Maybe he got that badge in one of the 2 visits in Romania ?

Anyways, if Michael happens to be in Transylvania, I'm getting ready to meet him, since I live in the area LOL.  :lol:
You too ??? Are we neighbors  :lol: :lol: :lol:?
Maybe a crazy mikevirus is haunting Transylvania twisting our minds suspicious//...seems the four of us are all from this area  WTF??
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
@GINA: You misunderstand my posts...  I am not comparing... I am emphasizing on connections, similarities, parallels...
I know Michael loved history and learning things about every place he went to! So probably he was particularly drawn to our country , precisely because of these things ^^
I am trying to put myself in his shoes, you see? I am trying to understand what attracted Michael to Romania.
What drew him so much to this place to the point where he would be willing to hide here, maybe??


But we are not sure he is here. It's only an assumption. I would love for him to be here but really, what are the odds :( ?
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:36:03 PM
BUT WHO SAID IS SURE??

of course we are NOT sure. that's why we investigate!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
[...] What's the next crazy idea? [...]
I don't know. Go ask Pearl Jr. why she mentioned the Romanian castle and Michael all together 3 times in her show.
Then we'll see what's crazy and what's not.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:46:03 PM
We do not really know what he felt about Romania. The same way we can dig aboput his conncetions with Germany for example. There were also speculations about Ireland. Why would Romania be more special to him?
Well if I think well he had quite a few people of Romanian origin who worked for him (Marcel Avram, Serban Ghenea, that coreographer - I don't know her name now...and maybe there were others I don't know) but this doesn't mean anything because MJ had people from all over the world collaborating with him.
And I know Marcel Avram said in an interview that Michael called him for This is it but he said he didn't wanted to have something to do with it. I thought that was suspicious at that time. Why he didn't wanted to have anything to do with This is it?

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:48:20 PM
There also some Romanians among the "This is it" dancers if I recall well!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

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Michael Jackson’s dance teacher was Romanian!

More than half a year after Michael Jackson’s death, information appear about the megastar that not many people know. Although he made history with his music and dancing, few people know that “King of pop” took ballet lessons from a Romanian.

Irina Brecher Hamilton, most famous classical ballet teacher in Los Angeles, gave ballet lessons to Michael Jackson and his dancers for the tour “This is it”, according to Gazette Express.

The proof appears in the documentary “Michael Jackson’s This Is It”, when, at minute 48, in the movie is a woman with strange accent which show the nine dancers how to make the correct movements that have consecrated Michael Jackson. Boys listen carefully the instructions and execute the orders given by the woman who barely reaches their shoulder. Although they were selected by Michael Jackson himself from almost 6,000 dancers, and although they are the best in the world, they obey the teacher’s instructions from whom they still have much to learn. The teacher is the Romanian Irina Brecher Hamilton, noone other than that the late king of pop music called her to work for him.

“I saw you doing like that, the Russian style. Is this Russian? No. This is Russian. See the difference? “Says Irina in the film, while boys embarrass the way it exemplifies the authoritative professional ballet movements to men.

Michael Jackson did not know she’s Romanian

Irina Brecher Hamilton is a ballerina since nine years old and emigrated from Romania during the communist period. The Romanian related for Express Monitor how she got to be a ballet teacher for the King of pop, but also for his three children.

It all happened because of her son Misha, who at just 15 years old began to dance in Aaron Carter’s tournaments, Janet Jackson, Beyonce and other international artists. In 2009, however, Misha fulfilled his dream and got to dance with Michael Jackson.

“One day, Aaron Carter said: “I have a gift for you”. Misha heard in the phone’s receiver: ‘Hi, this is Michael! I know you are on a tour and imitate my style. Do you want to dance for me?”, told Irina.

It didn’t last long and Misha wrote a new career for Irina next to Michael, although the Romanian taught ballet in several U.S. states. It happened in May 2009 at a rehearsal, when Michael said he wanted lessons in classical ballet for his nine dancers. All turned to Misha and he understood that his mother is most appropriate.

“It was me, the cameraman, Kenny Ortega and nine boys. Then Michael came and said: ‘I can not wait, I wanted to meet you’. Then embraced me. Nobody can understand what this man transmits, angelic generousity, a high spirit. You must see it to understand. Then he thanked Misha that he has brought me. Michael left after we finished”, recalled excited Irina.

Soon after, the assistant choreographer came to her and told her that Michael was impressed and he wants to take private lessons for him and his children.

Michael was in top form

Unfortunately, the Romanian didn’t start the lessons with the megastar. The last months until the fatidical day of June 25, were busy with rehearsals. ”The film shows exactly the level at which we rehearsed. Misha was coming at 2 in the night exhausted and told me: “Do you think I could give less than 120% to Michael?” “After a day of rehearsal, they needed 24 hours to recover. Who doubted that Michael was in top form, was seriously mistaken. It was the maximum force. He was never feeling bad. Motivated and strong. An authentic artist. I studied him carefully. In my life I saw many artists, but Michael is like noone. It was an energy, a master beside him, and the world seemed more serene”, she describes Michael.

The Romanian claims that “every gesture of Michael had a profound reason. He didn’t need words to convey a message.

She found out from TV that Michael died

When she and Misha found out that the megastar died, they felt that time stopped. The two attended the Memorial of the July 7 and the release of the documentary. Acquaintances were surprised when they saw the film because Irina had concealed its collaboration with the megastar.

In ”This Is It” documentary appear, in fact, three persons of Romanian origin: Irina, her son, Misha, and also Edward G. Robinson, American actor best known for gangster roles. Misha (22 years) was Michael Jackson’s replica in the documentary and shot all scenes in two nights. Moreover, he also had the honor of opening documentary.

http://thelegendarykingofpop.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-dance-teacher-was-romanian/
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
[...] What's the next crazy idea? [...]
I don't know. Go ask Pearl Jr. why she mentioned the Romanian castle and Michael all together 3 times in her show.
Then we'll see what's crazy and what's not.
I think Pearl picked up the idea from the world wide web - because the idea is not new at all. It was mentioned from the very beginning on the Derek Clontz site. I know because I was there shortly after June 25th and there was said that MJ's in a castle in Romania or Hungary.
Of course another story was about a ROMANIAN double who suffered of a terminal illness and died instead of MJ. You remember it don't you? It was maybe the first thing I've read about HOW MJ hoaxed his death. Maybe that is true and that's why TS kind of sustained the corpse theory.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
Yes I know , Gina. And I am glad that you remeber this stuff, too ;)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:00:18 PM
Michael Jackson’s dance teacher was Romanian!

More than half a year after Michael Jackson’s death, information appear about the megastar that not many people know. Although he made history with his music and dancing, few people know that “King of pop” took ballet lessons from a Romanian.

Irina Brecher Hamilton, most famous classical ballet teacher in Los Angeles, gave ballet lessons to Michael Jackson and his dancers for the tour “This is it”, according to Gazette Express.


http://thelegendarykingofpop.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-dance-teacher-was-romanian/
Yes of course, I was talking about her. She is Romanian, Irina is a common Romanian name.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:01:34 PM
Yes I know , Gina. And I am glad that you remeber this stuff, too ;)
Of course I remember. I remember almost everything from day one.
One thing I don't remember now - if TS ever redirected to V for Vendetta.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:03:25 PM
Yes I know , Gina. And I am glad that you remeber this stuff, too ;)
What if Michael took the identity of that Romanian who supposedly died instead and he's now a Romanian citizen ? See, I can go crazy too LOL!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:16:38 PM
@GINA: I don't think any idea is crazy! They are just ideas...thoughts... observations!
I think nobody believes everything 100%. These are just essays, tries, attempts to find out the truth!
Nobody says this idea is 100% correct or that idea is 100% wrong... we can't know!
Until the moment of truth comes, it's good to take everything into consideration.

Taking into consideration does NOT imply being CERTAIN!
I never said I was sure of anything.

Oh yes: I am sure of one thing: both MJ & Elvis are alive! Not so sure if they both come back, though...



Michael Jackson’s dance teacher was Romanian!

More than half a year after Michael Jackson’s death, information appear about the megastar that not many people know. Although he made history with his music and dancing, few people know that “King of pop” took ballet lessons from a Romanian.

Irina Brecher Hamilton, most famous classical ballet teacher in Los Angeles, gave ballet lessons to Michael Jackson and his dancers for the tour “This is it”, according to Gazette Express.

The proof appears in the documentary “Michael Jackson’s This Is It”, when, at minute 48, in the movie is a woman with strange accent which show the nine dancers how to make the correct movements that have consecrated Michael Jackson.
[....]
Irina Brecher Hamilton is a ballerina since nine years old and emigrated from Romania during the communist period. The Romanian related for Express Monitor how she got to be a ballet teacher for the King of pop, but also for his three children.

It all happened because of her son Misha, who at just 15 years old began to dance in Aaron Carter’s tournaments, Janet Jackson, Beyonce and other international artists. In 2009, however, Misha fulfilled his dream and got to dance with Michael Jackson.
[....]
I googled his name and I found a photo with him and Janet




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:29:21 PM
Michael Jackson's album "Michael" contains 2 songs mixed by a Romanian!
http://www.agentiadepresamondena.com/michael-jackson-serban-ghenea-best-of-joy-the-way-you-love-me/

Serban Ghenea , a sound engineer who has worked with the megastar for two songs: "Best of Joy" and "(I Like) The Way You Love Me".

He got to work with Michael Jackson in early 2000 when he was asked to mix two songs meant to be released on the album "Invincible" in 2001.

Serban Ghenea  has worked so far with Usher, Katy Pery, Britney Spears, Pink, Black Eyed Peas and won 3 Grammys and 3 Latin Grammy awards.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:44:51 PM
I love the way Marcel Avram is talking about Michael. I think he is very objective in his observation. He also says when he met Michael a few months before June 25th MJ was very healthy, at least he seemed to be.
I love when he says "Michael Jackson was a genius" like it's the most natural thing in the world.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06OIhGpUVaU[/youtube]
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 04:45:15 PM
1. Marcel Avram - friend and tour collaborator/manager for so many years
2. Irina Brecher Hamilton - Michael's teacher of dance and  for his kids, too
3. ^^Her son, Misha Gabriel - "This is it" dancer
4. Serban Ghenea - sound engineer



Are there any other Romanians that worked with/for Michael that I don't know of?

^^
I wonder if working with so many Romanians over the years... I wonder if maybe it's possible that  Michael got some help and good hints about some good place to hide here?? just sayin'...




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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:14:45 PM
1. Marcel Avram - friend and tour collaborator/manager for so many years
2. Irina Brecher Hamilton - Michael's teacher of dance and  for his kids, too
3. ^^Her son, Misha Gabriel - "This is it" dancer
4. Serban Ghenea - sound engineer



Are there any other Romanians that worked with/for Michael that I don't know of?

^^
I wonder if working with so many Romanians over the years... I wonder if maybe it's possible that  Michael got some help and good hints about some good place to hide here?? just sayin'...





I don't know about others.
We "adopted" him ....spiritually speaking.
Look at this video. He's watching the little show they prepared for him in 1996. I don't know if Michael "felt" something of our folk music (honestly I would have chosen another songs,more representative for the beauty and purity of Romanian folk music) but looking at him during this little show I have the impression he felt safe there. nobody was "coming over" him...I don't know, there is a serenity there, a peace that you don't usually see around him. Oh how I wish he found that peace now :(.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMidbFCVTNE[/youtube]

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
Don't get cocky - Michael is color blind, nation blind.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
Crazy...

Cocky....

I wonder how I will be called next.  :roll:

I wonder why people can't just talk about a certain topic without any labelling...

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
Don't get cocky - Michael is color blind, nation blind.
Of course he is. But even Jesus needed a place to rest. We don't really know where's Michael's place do we.... it could be anywhere on this Earth.
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Crazy...

Cocky....

I wonder how I will be called next.  :roll:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
It doesn't matter, we as fans are crazy anyway :).

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:40:22 PM
ooooffff 




 :lol: :lol:

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
well said Gina !!

Yeah and one more thing: if he wasn't born in Romania - he should have been :).  Friends know why  ;)

ps: I'm being cocky now LOL!

and for those who don't know: we lack sexy black-white kings around here  :lol: :lol: :lol:
just a bad joke sorry but I couldn't help it  ;D
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:41:50 PM
lmao GINA  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
lmao GINA  :lol: :lol: :lol:
hahahah me too...he's a genius you know ;)...you knew that already :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 06:39:24 PM
One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe

: )
Blessings!

What would be the geometria match for ROMANIA, wishingstar?

"BELIEVE" is always encouraging when it pops up...

Titania

*gematria is a system that basically assigns a numeric value to letters ex: a=1, b=2, c=3 etc.  You can then "add" the letters....
therefor have words that "equal" each other...coincidence, perhaps....who knows : )





Well, Titania.....what can I say?  Here is the gematria for 71:

71=Romania, dreaming, spider, John Doe, celebrate, (and my favorite)....... Im Alive.....

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

So...the ambulance had a 71 on it.  It always come back to that ambulance for me.  Perhaps that whole scene was a metaphor for reality?  It was backing out of life, to go live as a John Doe in Romania. Who knows.......I do know coffee is needed.
Thank you for the prompting of the Romania match....very well done!
Blessings to you always.......
LOVE

PS> and if that was a whole metaphor.....then the 17 on the tour bus was a mirrored image of reality....or an opposite end of the spectrum.  In one vehicle we have a person escaping the pressures of fame, in another vehicle we have the pressure itself. 

WOW! WOW! WOW!

Brain gone into overdrive after reading this! So the message from Pearl might POSSIBLY be that we should BELIEVE in Spiderman John Doe who made his escape right under our very noses. The Man in the Mirror who got away...

So Pearl's message might in fact not have anything to do with Romania- it was a code. And thanks to you we may well have cracked it with the help of your good friend Gematria- I'm ALIVE!

BTW Did I mention that my favourite book is Alice Through the Looking Glass? Lots of chess in that one!

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FOOTPRINTS IN OUR SOULS
Fleet feet versus Fleet Street-Twinkling toes to swirling lies-Poisoned ink slides down the sink,
Moonwalker dances on and on, A trail of footprints in our souls

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
Crazy...

Cocky....

I wonder how I will be called next.  :roll:

I wonder why people can't just talk about a certain topic without any labelling...

Why...so...serious?  ;D

One other thing I forgot to mention is a gematria match for the word castle:

60 = Castle, Believe

: )
Blessings!

What would be the geometria match for ROMANIA, wishingstar?

"BELIEVE" is always encouraging when it pops up...

Titania

*gematria is a system that basically assigns a numeric value to letters ex: a=1, b=2, c=3 etc.  You can then "add" the letters....
therefor have words that "equal" each other...coincidence, perhaps....who knows : )





Well, Titania.....what can I say?  Here is the gematria for 71:

71=Romania, dreaming, spider, John Doe, celebrate, (and my favorite)....... Im Alive.....

http://www.gematrix.org/?word=romania

So...the ambulance had a 71 on it.  It always come back to that ambulance for me.  Perhaps that whole scene was a metaphor for reality?  It was backing out of life, to go live as a John Doe in Romania. Who knows.......I do know coffee is needed.
Thank you for the prompting of the Romania match....very well done!
Blessings to you always.......
LOVE

PS> and if that was a whole metaphor.....then the 17 on the tour bus was a mirrored image of reality....or an opposite end of the spectrum.  In one vehicle we have a person escaping the pressures of fame, in another vehicle we have the pressure itself. 

WOW! WOW! WOW!

Brain gone into overdrive after reading this! So the message from Pearl might POSSIBLY be that we should BELIEVE in Spiderman John Doe who made his escape right under our very noses. The Man in the Mirror who got away...

So Pearl's message might in fact not have anything to do with Romania- it was a code. And thanks to you we may well have cracked it with the help of your good friend Gematria- I'm ALIVE!

BTW Did I mention that my favourite book is Alice Through the Looking Glass? Lots of chess in that one!

Titania



I don't think Pearl KNEW about the numerology, ROFLMAO.

@wishingstar: But YOU, my friend, cracked the CODE!!  party/
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 28, 2012, 11:41:40 PM
LOL.....I might have cracked something! I have checked and re-checked this gematria.....there are so many matches, so many "coincidences" it's really something.  I am more shelled shocked over this than all the other threads I did on it.  Crazy, just crazy.

I was also noticing that beautiful Palace of Parliament building.



It reminded me of something I saw.....



That lead me to look at other Bucharest buildings......this one: The Palace of Justice



Interesting how these buildings in Bucharest resemble Carolwood....

Thanks for the kind words and help earlier..........
Love you.....

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 01:19:41 AM
Oh I really do not think Pearl knows something..really, she's taking her infro from the ones who already made research. Really now.....there are much more brilliant investigators and possible insiders here.

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 03:22:20 AM
@wishingstar: wow! You're so right! The buildings resemble a lot!!
and the whole gematria stuff is mind-blowing!

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 07:26:08 AM
OK...lets go back right to the beginning with this blog form Illuminous Theo....
1.  The real dead Michael, is a Romanian man........and then he later talks about MJ being really obessed with eternal youth and his obsessive interest with vampires...


 "http://illuminustheo.blogspot.com.au/2009/07/michael-jackson-is-not-dead-so-who-died.html
You can read the rest on the above link.....God bless

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Michael Jackson is not Dead; so WHO died?
Contents copyright June 2009, WNB, at Illuminus Theo
Why and how Dimitrie Draghicescu died in Jackson's place.
[Note: Dimitrie was unrelated to the famous Romanian writer and diplomat who died in 1945; both Dimitrie and Draghicescu are relatively common names in Romania]


The Truth Behind Michael Jackson Death Hoax
The outpouring of grief over Michael Jackson's death, and the sheer magnitude of the deception that Illuminus Theo (IT) has allowed itself to be a party to, now force me to reveal what many have suspected (and with good reason). Michael Jackson did not die--but someone else did. Who died in Jackson's place, and why did Michael Jackson stage his own death in one of the greatest ruses in history? For that matter, why did my own highly reclusive order help Jackson pull this off? I must share this, and quickly, and hope that this blog is not removed before enough people have learned the truth, because what Michael Jackson has just pulled off is nothing compared to the plans that he has for us during the coming century.

Why Did Illuminus Theo Agree to be a part of the Michael Jackson Death Conspiracy?
Quite simply, who could turn down Michael Jackson when he asked for help? Even his closest confidantes admitted that whatever Michael wanted, he got. But when he approached our Order four years ago in Naples, Italy, we were overwhelmed by the generosity of his promised reward (which we will yet receive; the reports of his so-called bankruptcy are as fraudulent as his staged death). These funds will enable our order to further the research which we have pursued for almost 700 years--unheralded, unrestricted by the Vatican (they did not even know of us until the 1940s), and unfunded, as we had our own financial resources--at least until the financial fiascoes of 2000. But what does it profit a man if he gain the world and lose his soul? Even Michael's millions would not have been enough if he had not approached us with a golden carrot in one hand and an iron stick in the other.

Michael's Gold Carrot and Iron Stick
Michael warned Illuminus Theo quite plainly that, given the very nature of his proposal, he could not allow us to refuse his generous offer; he threatened to expose to the world the lapses and indiscretions that had brought us to the attention of the Vatican during the 1940s, and thereby destroy the secrecy that we have so carefully guarded for over 700 years.


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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 07:40:04 AM
I've read that blog 2 years ago. Now I'm reading it again..that guy has a lot of fantasy.
Interesting that he says what TS said, that MJ planned this 20 years ago.

"it all began over two decades ago with Michael's morbid fear of death itself. "

BTW who isn't afraid of death?

It's also interesting that he thinks MJ saw himself as deity....much like Back is suggesting

"And it was this godlike perception of the world, and his intoxication with unparalleled success, that gave birth to Michael's belief in his own deity"

He mentions the doubles

"And so Jackson spent weeks at a time in our archives while one of his three lookalike Michaels carried on his public appearances (one advantage of Michael's plastic face was that it was easy to create lookalikes; this helped inspire the staged death scheme--but I'm coming to that)"
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 07:53:05 AM
I must admit I've always been fascinated by this blog. Fantastic fictional story! Whoever wrote this deserves a prize lolol/
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Michael Jackson is not Dead; so WHO died?
Contents copyright June 2009, WNB, at Illuminus Theo
Why and how Dimitrie Draghicescu died in Jackson's place.
[Note: Dimitrie was unrelated to the famous Romanian writer and diplomat who died in 1945; both Dimitrie and Draghicescu are relatively common names in Romania]
Contact: Illuminus.theo@gmail.com

The Truth Behind Michael Jackson Death Hoax
The outpouring of grief over Michael Jackson's death, and the sheer magnitude of the deception that Illuminus Theo (IT) has allowed itself to be a party to, now force me to reveal what many have suspected (and with good reason). Michael Jackson did not die--but someone else did. Who died in Jackson's place, and why did Michael Jackson stage his own death in one of the greatest ruses in history? For that matter, why did my own highly reclusive order help Jackson pull this off? I must share this, and quickly, and hope that this blog is not removed before enough people have learned the truth, because what Michael Jackson has just pulled off is nothing compared to the plans that he has for us during the coming century.

Why Did Illuminus Theo Agree to be a part of the Michael Jackson Death Conspiracy?
Quite simply, who could turn down Michael Jackson when he asked for help? Even his closest confidantes admitted that whatever Michael wanted, he got. But when he approached our Order four years ago in Naples, Italy, we were overwhelmed by the generosity of his promised reward (which we will yet receive; the reports of his so-called bankruptcy are as fraudulent as his staged death). These funds will enable our order to further the research which we have pursued for almost 700 years--unheralded, unrestricted by the Vatican (they did not even know of us until the 1940s), and unfunded, as we had our own financial resources--at least until the financial fiascoes of 2000. But what does it profit a man if he gain the world and lose his soul? Even Michael's millions would not have been enough if he had not approached us with a golden carrot in one hand and an iron stick in the other.

Michael's Gold Carrot and Iron Stick
Michael warned Illuminus Theo quite plainly that, given the very nature of his proposal, he could not allow us to refuse his generous offer; he threatened to expose to the world the lapses and indiscretions that had brought us to the attention of the Vatican during the 1940s, and thereby destroy the secrecy that we have so carefully guarded for over 700 years.

My superiors will be livid that I have exposed this dark deception. Illuminus Theo will no doubt engineer the erasure of this blog as soon as they discover it, and Jackson may exact his own revenge upon the Order and myself. Yet if he does, I will reveal exactly where Michael Jackson is today--provided I am not first silenced by either Jackson or my own Order. Over the centuries, Illuminus Theo has silenced those it could not buy. I'm not sure about Jackson, but given the desperation that drove him to this great deception, I would not be surprised if Jackson has also sent some detractors on a one way trip to Neverland.

Why Michael Jackson's Staged Death?
Michael had multiple motives for his staged demise, but ironically, it all began over two decades ago with Michael's morbid fear of death itself. His former wife Lisa Presley has recently revealed that even though Michael daily underwent a rigorous regimen to achieve his dream of living to at least 150, he frequently voiced his fears that he would die early, like Lisa's legendary father Elvis Presley. Michael's most bizarre longevity rite was, of course, his sleeping in hyperbaric chambers. These photos were carefully 'leaked' [with instructions to label them as 'bizarre') to heighten the public's fascination with his unusual lifestyle, but this was more than just promotional hype. Jackson laughed it off but it was a true reflection of Michael's deep seated fear of death.

Why Michael's Morbid Fear of Death?
Michael feared death because, quite simply, he had never really lived. As a child he was reportedly abused by a domineering father who drove him to success, denying him a childhood, hence the attempt to recapture his lost youth with Neverland ranch. Jackson's father not only denied Michael his childhood but also, in driving him to success, molded Michael into a compulsive success addict who could never really slow down to enjoy the massive wealth he accumulated. Michael existed, but he never lived. He viewed life from the outside, from the above--as we view the insignificant lives of millions when our plane rises out of Los Angeles airport, cars below buzzing about like bees in futile search for significance or, increasingly, for survival. And it was this godlike perception of the world, and his intoxication with unparalleled success, that gave birth to Michael's belief in his own deity and inevitable immortality--which he sought not just in science but in the occult.

Michael and the Occult
The public had no idea that Thriller, which was released on Nov. 30, 1982, was not just fiction but autobiographical. Jackson was, in a sense, taunting death. But as he worked on Thriller he became even more enthralled with the occult, and given his fear of death, it is not surprising that he sought the secrets of unending life by searching out the undead, the vampire--which led him to Illuminus Theo.

Jackson Discovers Illuminus Theo
If Jackson spent millions on spending sprees, he spent hundreds of millions seeking the holy grail of immortality through science and the occult. Even as Hitler's henchmen searched the planet from Tahoe to Tibet for occult power to insure the Third Reich's success, so Jackson's army of researchers circled the globe. But although Illuminus Theo managed to evade Hitler's henchmen, we could not hide from Michael Jackson, but that is not surprising. Jackson had better resources than the failing feuhrer.

When Jackson learned of Illuminus Theo's centuries of involvement in the occult, in particular our research into alleged (I emphasize "alleged") cases of possession and vampirism, he threatened our order until we allowed him access to archives that have been kept hidden for centuries. We denied, of course, that we had any of the materials that he sought, but he in turn insisted that if we had nothing to hide, we had nothing to fear from him and his assistants browsing our archives. And so Jackson spent weeks at a time in our archives while one of his three lookalike Michaels carried on his public appearances (one advantage of Michael's plastic face was that it was easy to create lookalikes; this helped inspire the staged death scheme--but I'm coming to that).

Wannabe Vampire Michael Jackson
Jackson did not undergo such extensive surgery because he was ashamed of being black but because he was trying to identify himself with the pallid legions of the undead that he believed must still exist on this planet. Jackson produced his hit video Thriller less as a commercial music video than as a secret yet in-your-face tribute and homage to the legions of undead. Michael hoped that by transforming himself into their physical image, he would somehow change his psychic image as well. Farfetched? Of course! But Michael was obsessed with the reality that he had been dying from birth. He often remarked upon rising, "I'm one day closer to the grave." What a way to look at life! But he hoped that through his physical make-over, and the release of Thriller, the undead would sense his desperation and contact him (even as thousands have written Anne Rice, of vampire novel fame, asking her how to meet vampires in New Orleans).

At this point, I dare not reveal the extent of Illuminus Theo's involvement in what transpired after the release of Thriller, and Michael's subsequent transformations, both physical and otherwise.

Plastic Michael Lookalikes
As I noted, it was easy to create Michael Jackson lookalikes because Jackson himself was a plastic creation, a construct, who in now way resembled the Michael of two decades earlier. After Jackson's court battles, he withdrew from the world, and retreated to a Neverland that he was creating in a foreign country--a subterranean wonderland free from the DNA-damaging solar rays that so terrified Jackson that he was never out of doors without an over-sized umbrella. But Jackson's ego would not allow him to depart the world as a failure, hence Illuminus Theo's collaboration in his staged death right on the heels of an equally staged comeback.

Jackson's Staged Comeback
Jackson, better than anyone, knew the rigors of dancing, and that his body could never handle a comeback such as he promised the world. But he craved not only immortality of body and soul but of name and fame, and of the love that he felt had eluded him his entire life, even in his so-called marriages (which he was quite serious about, but having never been loved, he found to his dismay that he could not love). Michael set out to show the world that he was as youthful and capable as ever by promising a series of performances that even someone half his age would have found impossible to pull off. That he could even manage a practice session is testimony to his desperation, as well as his genius and determination. But he only planned to perform the practice sessions. He had no intention whatsoever of actually engaging in the performances because, once the world had seen what he was still capable of, he would "die," and then sit back and watch the world mourn him.

Let's set one record straight. Michael was a health fanatic, and did not abuse drugs--at least much. His pleas to doctors for sleeping remedies were ploys to set the stage for his death (which was fitting, as his entire life was a stage). Poor Deepak Chopra was aghast at what he saw as Michael's growing dependence upon prescription drugs, but Michael knew that, once he had "died," Deepak would remember his pleas for drugs, and share them out of sympathy for his extinguished friend--and thus reinforce the fiction that Jackson had died of drugs. To further reinforce this fiction, Jackson phoned other doctors, begging for drugs, and some doctors did provide them, but he never used them. He was too terrified of death to allow anything to weaken his body's tenuous hold upon life.

Jackson's "Death"
The night before Jackson's "death," he danced his heart out, almost literally (which underscored the impossibility of surviving the grueling schedule he'd announced to his public). He returned to his rented home, and was spirited away to a waiting jet at Burbank airport, which transported him to a location in the Southeastern U.S. that I dare not divulge (yet). But I must explain that the man who died of an alleged heart attack under the very hands of his personal physician (get real!) was not Jackson but a 47-year-old Romanian named Dimitrie Draghicescu, whom Illuminus Theo disgracefully dragged into this morbid affair.

Dimitrie Draghicescu--the Dead Jackson
After fully 3 years of plastic surgery and training, Dimitrie could easily pass for a live Jackson, not to mention a dead one. But unlike the mighty Michael, Dimitrie did die. Dimitrie, not Jackson, was the one whisked to the hospital. Did you not wonder why the man who phoned 911 did not say "Michael Jackson" was the victim? It was not to avoid publicity but to insure that, should the 911 calls be analyzed by voice experts and electronic analyzers, no one could detect the stress from the caller's blatant falsehood.

Dimitrie agreed to die in Michael's place only because he had a terminal illness, and because Jackson had promised a generous reward to his family. And had Dimitrie refused, our Order would have revealed the Draghicescu family secret that had brought them to the attention of Illuminus Theo in the late 1700s (we too are familiar with the gold carrot-iron stick argument).

Why the 2nd Autopsy?
If Jackson's own family could not distinguish a plastic Dimitrie from a plastic Jackson, the doctors who tried to revive "Jackson" certainly had no hopes of penetrating this stupendous ruse. The only difficulty was switching fingerprints, but this was accomplished more easily than you could imagine by a little greasing of palms both in the hospital and the police force. (Though now the police are under suspicion for delaying a search for 4 days, allowing an unsupervised Janet to remove items from a suspected crime scene, etc.).

But while the ruse fooled the world, his family was suspicious. They knew Michael too well to believe that a man so fanatic about health would kill himself with such a dangerous drug. The Jackson family demanded a second autopsy not to determine the cause of death but to determine the true identity of the body. (Which, of course, will never be revealed, for if Jackson is shown to be alive, they will not inherit his estate).

Death by Diprivan
The autopsy will indeed reveal that "Jackson" died of a lethal dose of Diprivan, a dangerous but effective anaesthetic. Jackson's personal doctor will be found guilty of negligence, but his career was on the ropes already. (He said Michael was so delicate he supported his back during CPR--yet Michael was capable of 50 performances?). This desperate excuse for a doctor readily agreed to become a part of Jackson's "death" in return for a 7-figure fee and the best lawyers in the land. You noticed, I assume, how quickly he was in contact with his lawyers? They had a response prepared even before Jackson's double, poor Dimitrie, had breathed his last.

Michael Jackson is alive, and given the information he forced out of Illuminus Theo, and the tremendous resources at his disposal (in spite of rumors of his supposed bankruptcy) he may well reach his goal of living to 150, but I don't think he will enjoy those extra 100 years. But in the meantime, Michael Jackson is enjoying immensely the spectacle of the entire world in tears. He has achieved the fame and even a measure of love and respect, that eluded him in life. His eccentricities are forgiven; those he alienated are reconciled. And perhaps this is not a bad thing. What I fear, personally, is where Michael Jackson is headed now. With the exception of his father, no one could ever say "No" to Michael--and that was to the old Jackson. How will the world handle the Michael Jackson that is to come? Of course, no one will recognize the new Jackson for who he is.

He Did Take It With Him
Sometime within the next two years, the plastic-faced Michael Jackson will emerge onto the world scene again with not only a new, unrecognizable face but a new name. And who says "you can't take it with you?" Michael has taken his, and will enjoy enormous wealth and power, coupled with blissful anonymity, for decades--perhaps even another century. But what on earth will Michael Jackson do the second time around?

I must cut this short. I am posting this via proxies, in the hopes that it will not be easily traced, and using an alias--the name of the Italian Chinese priest who transformed our order after the Vatican penetrated our veil of secrecy in the 1940s. If only Father Fu were still here to help us--though after what I've learned about Michael Jackson's "death," for all I know Father Lingyu Fu may still be around. I will not pursue that line of thought further, lest sleep elude me, as it did the King of Pop during his last decade.

I hopes this avoids deletion long enough for the world to know the truth--that Michael Jackson is alive! Or, more accurately, he is not dead.

Are you?

Father Lingyu Fu
Naples, Italy

[Note: Some have commented that Dimitrie died in 1945 [actually, he committed suicide]. Obviously, in Romania, as in the rest of the world, sometimes more than one people have the same name. The Dimitrie Draghicescu who was the famous writer killed himself in 1945. He was, as far as we know, unrelated to Michael Jackson's Dimitrie.

Illuminus Theo Postscript (July 20, 2009): The Abbot of Illuminus Theo Abbey insists on pointing out that Illuminus Theo did not pressure Dimitrie Draghicescu in any way into an arrangement with Michael Jackson. So I have duly noted this, but based on the information presented above, you can draw your own conclusion.
By the way, he is not, as many websites have claimed, in Hungary (but fairly close).
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 02:42:44 PM
Michael Jackson's album "Michael" contains 2 songs mixed by a Romanian!
http://www.agentiadepresamondena.com/michael-jackson-serban-ghenea-best-of-joy-the-way-you-love-me/

Serban Ghenea , a sound engineer who has worked with the megastar for two songs: "Best of Joy" and "(I Like) The Way You Love Me".

He got to work with Michael Jackson in early 2000 when he was asked to mix two songs meant to be released on the album "Invincible" in 2001.

Serban Ghenea  has worked so far with Usher, Katy Pery, Britney Spears, Pink, Black Eyed Peas and won 3 Grammys and 3 Latin Grammy awards.


wow, so many connections with Romania!
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 02:50:37 PM
LOL.....I might have cracked something! I have checked and re-checked this gematria.....there are so many matches, so many "coincidences" it's really something.  I am more shelled shocked over this than all the other threads I did on it.  Crazy, just crazy.

I was also noticing that beautiful Palace of Parliament building.



It reminded me of something I saw.....



That lead me to look at other Bucharest buildings......this one: The Palace of Justice



Interesting how these buildings in Bucharest resemble Carolwood....

Thanks for the kind words and help earlier..........
Love you.....

Blessings!

yes, those buildings so much resemble Carolwood, very interesting find Wishingstar! thank you! it seems that Michael fell in love with Romania ;)
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 03:02:04 PM
OK...lets go back right to the beginning with this blog form Illuminous Theo....
1.  The real dead Michael, is a Romanian man........and then he later talks about MJ being really obessed with eternal youth and his obsessive interest with vampires...



And who's home is Transylvania but Dracula's the bloody vampire :lol:?

BTW I live here for 21 years and I've never met a vampire....but I suspect my boss is one in disguise  suspicious//  :lol:

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 04:20:56 PM
@2good2btrue: thanks for your comments and that link ;)

[....]
BTW I live here for 21 years and I've never met a vampire....but I suspect my boss is one in disguise  suspicious//  :lol:
You're right Gina! be sure of this: not only your boss! ALL the Romanian "leaders" are like vampires, true descendents of Dracula!  :lol:
They suck everything from you!! nerves, energy, time, everything!!  >:(

With the only difference that Vlad the Empaler was a TRUE leader. Neither of our current leaders can reach to the little toe of his feet!
He was defending his country!! He went "a little" nuts when he started to empale them and all the country-traitors!

Nowadays we have only caricatures of leaders! they are all "YES men" to TPTB that rule this world! Where's Vlad the Empaler when you need him!!  :lol:
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 04:29:29 PM
While I was looking for a place to buy and taste some of this magic Borsec water, I found this. Here, I think, is another connecting DOT---at least to This Is It.

penguin/  http://www.aquamaestro.com/PCM.asp 

OmiGOSH, the more I look at it, this one looks exactly like MJ in the movie!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.aquamaestro.com/images/DancingPenguin.gif
 
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 04:47:52 PM
@Its her: thanks for the link.

So that's Borsec water on that link? It's not written anywhere...
You think Michael did the Penguin dance in "This is it" to give us a clue to this site with the dancing Penguin about Borsec water?

OMG! that could be something!


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrj0HcoUFHY[/youtube]
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 05:00:50 PM
@Its her: you said you were looking for a site to buy Borsec water.
Here are some sites where you can order online. But I don't know if they distribute abroad or only in the country.
But you can always use their contact data (e-mail) to write them and ask info).

Here are some links:
http://www.casadecomenzi.ro/alimentare-ape-minerale,-ape-plate-apa-minerala-plata-plata-borsec-p-1111.html?osCsid=61hrvcdajqthjjmrc8p9do3950

http://danieldistributie.ro/webshop/index.php/vmchk/Borsec/View-all-products.html

Borsec mineral water (fizzy): http://supermarket.util21.ro/produs_471_apa-minerala-borsec-0-5-l-12-buc-bax.html
Borsec mineral water (normal): http://www.perfect-delivery.ro/apa-plata/781-apa-plata-borsec-2l.html

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 05:38:15 PM
@Its her: thanks for the link.

So that's Borsec water on that link? It's not written anywhere...
You think Michael did the Penguin dance in "This is it" to give us a clue to this site with the dancing Penguin about Borsec water?

OMG! that could be something!


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrj0HcoUFHY[/youtube]

OOPs, sorry! I got to the penguin backwards, through the Borsec page, and I clicked on ALL the headings. I got so excited about the penguin, I didn't notice no "Borsec" word on the page. /overreacting/

Aqua Maestro sells all kinds of waters. It is actually quite clever 8), as "Maestro" reminds me of a director of a symphony, and all these diverse waters together, seem to be the orchestra. :)

If you click on "See All Our Brands", a bunch of waters come up.

If you click on the BORSEC bottle itself on that page, info about BORSEC water's attributes comes up.

If you click on "About Penguin Club Membership", that's where the dancing penguin is.

Sorry pale/. Maybe I should think and post first, and THEN get all excited, in THAT order! :oops: :-[






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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
@Its her: don't worry! thanks for posting...
The Penguin stuff is interesting anyway!!

What did Michael try to tell us with that Penguin dance?? and then repeating "Water...water....water...."??  smiley_spider

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
@Its her: you said you were looking for a site to buy Borsec water.
Here are some sites where you can order online. But I don't know if they distribute abroad or only in the country.
But you can always use their contact data (e-mail) to write them and ask info).

Here are some links:
http://www.casadecomenzi.ro/alimentare-ape-minerale,-ape-plate-apa-minerala-plata-plata-borsec-p-1111.html?osCsid=61hrvcdajqthjjmrc8p9do3950

http://danieldistributie.ro/webshop/index.php/vmchk/Borsec/View-all-products.html

Borsec mineral water (fizzy): http://supermarket.util21.ro/produs_471_apa-minerala-borsec-0-5-l-12-buc-bax.html
Borsec mineral water (normal): http://www.perfect-delivery.ro/apa-plata/781-apa-plata-borsec-2l.html
:) Thank you so much, so nice of you to help! I also found it on Amazon.com.  I think I will check at my local grocery store, as they have all kinds of international stuff, too. I may just have to order online and wait for it.  :roll:

I have been looking for some unusual  mineral water, right out of the ground bounce/ (not so perfectly alkaline as some bottled waters are), ever since I discovered what was left of a world famous mineral spa in my own neighborhood, which the city fools built a building on top of. I believe water is one of God's greatest gifts!!!!! People were HEALED of all kinds of ailments by drinking the water or wading in the large man-made pool which was built to catch the water and very famous people traveled from Europe in the late 1800s just for this. My neighbor who was terminally ill, told me he actually got a guy to let him see the standpipe, but he couldn't drink from it or take any water home, because it had been  :evil: capped off. :'( :'( :'( 
Thank you for helping me, SimPattyK. :mrgreen: bearhug
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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 07:04:50 PM
My pleasure @Its her!  bearhug

I agree! water is one of the greatest gifts from GOD! Also let's not forget we are 80% made of water! The earth surface is also mostly covered with water! A human can survive many days only with water!
Water is indeed a central element in our existence!!

maybe that's what Michael tried to remind us !

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
Just an informative post... not related to the hoax.

I was complaining in this thread and the other one ( Who really rules our countries? Their elected governors or the "Invisible Force"  ), that Romania has been literally robbed off its natural riches along history! STILL IS!

Unfortunately this happens with the genius / intellectual riches too!

These videos present how for various known/unknown reasons, many of the Romanian inventions and discoveries have been intentionally and unjustly attributed to other people from other countries.
Among the many examples: Nicolae Paunescu the true discoverer of insuline! he was known to be anti-masons! Consequence? His discovery was attributed to 2 Canadian scientists....the examples continue... just watch the videos and feel free to research more if this interests you!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmHfb0P2SkI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSNrC5U994U&feature=related[/youtube]

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Re: Michael Jackson what? Michael's castle in Romania?

  • on: February 29, 2012, 08:16:55 PM


Give me your wings, so we can fly.
Keep your head up tonight.
Keeping your head up to the sky.
We can just rise up, tell me now.
Give me your wings so we can fly.



Without Justin Capra's invention , the Jetpack, we wouldn't have seen
Michael flying over his audience at the end of "Dangerous Tour"
:lol:





[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VhsVwgEpi8&feature=related[/youtube]



Henri Coandă ~  was a Romanian inventor, aerodynamics pioneer and builder of an experimental aircraft, the Coandă-1910 described by Coandă in the mid-1950s as the world's first jet, a controversial claim disputed by some and supported by others.
 He invented a great number of devices, designed a "flying saucer" and discovered the Coandă effect of fluid dynamics.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lmZdyD7ykI&feature=related[/youtube]

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I asked one of my friends, about Polish & Romanians, because they've both have had so many inventors & scholars. Both have been accused of drinking blood, like Vlad. She eyed me carefully, as she poured another shot.

"Perhaps...but at least we drink blood with vodka!" lolol/

She also suggested I order the water off of Amazon, because of the PH balance, btw.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 03:26:07 AM by Tink »
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yeah she's right, I never mix blood and alcohol for a drink :twisted:

yet I prefer camomile tea  :D
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I asked one of my friends, about Polish & Romanians, because they've both have had so many inventors & scholars. Both have been accused of drinking blood, like Vlad. She eyed me carefully, as she poured another shot.

"Perhaps...but at least we drink blood with vodka!" lolol/

She also suggested I order the water off of Amazon, because of the PH balance, btw.

Thanks to Bram Stocker (the man who wrote Dracula) Ireland has now found to have "vampire graveyards" i.e people with stakes in their hearts. Bram brilliant author and all but your distracting people from coming to see the leprachauns

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I asked one of my friends, about Polish & Romanians, because they've both have had so many inventors & scholars. Both have been accused of drinking blood, like Vlad. She eyed me carefully, as she poured another shot.

"Perhaps...but at least we drink blood with vodka!" lolol/

She also suggested I order the water off of Amazon, because of the PH balance, btw.

Thanks to Bram Stocker (the man who wrote Dracula) Ireland has now found to have "vampire graveyards" i.e people with stakes in their hearts. Bram brilliant author and all but your distracting people from coming to see the leprachauns

What does chasing a double rainbow to its end mean?  ;))
Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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http://tinychat.com/MJJInnocent4Ever

Pearl Jr. just repeated few minutes ago, in the chat , that Michael has a castle in Romania.

I try to reproduce now what she said , until I forget the details:
She said she talked to a friend of hers, who even though doesn't have the means to fly to Romania, she did though and it's from her that pearl knows that Michael apparently has a castle in Romania , that he can always get a disguise and travel around, that he always had done that....

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I have just asked Pearl Jr. if she can confirm this story about the Romanian castle or if it's just a rumor!!
And she immediately responded this ( I paraphrase):
Pearl Jr.: "I haven’t gone to Romania, so it’s not like I can confirm anything, I haven’t knocked at his castle door and I didn’t see  him, but this is what I heard and I know it from someone who was there and who is very involved AND KNOWS THE FAMILY VERY WELL, I talked with that person in February."



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Very looong interview and chat.  Positive and informative for the most part.  Don't know what to think of the "peterpanpyt" character, though. :?   smiley_spider (Thanks for the link, SimPattyK.)
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Yes @starchild: very informative indeed! Pearl Jr. has been there for over 3 hours!!

Regarding PeterPanPYT: I don't know what to believe either!!!
Pearl Jr. seems to believe he's Michael! I don't let myself influenced by what others think about him or any other impersonator, be it voice impersonator or image impersonator...

He really has something Michelish in his voice, but I think it's not good to fully trust in anyone... too bad his connection kept interrupting so I couldn't hear him speaking on straight clear phrases....

Anyway , regarding the Romanian castle, it's interesting that Pearl insisted this time too that she relies on what her friend told her!! So I don't know what to do with this information!! how can we verify that? where can we search and see if it's true or not? maybe it will connect with some other info that we are about to receive?
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I heard both, PeterPanPYT and kfcmane (who says his real name is Michael Jackson but he is only a fan).
PeterPanPYT doesn't speak so Michael-ish, kfcmane is better but sings terribly.

I don't understand why people like Pearljr like to indulge themselves in deception, cause the truth is obvious right in front of their ears.

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The truth is never obvious to anyone until Michael BAMs.

I never heard of this kfcmane before , so I can't speak about him...
I can't say much about PeterPanPYT either!

All I can say is that it's impossible for me to decide with 100% certainty whether Peter is or not Michael!

At this point in the hoax, anything can happen, even Michael showing himself like that, through "bits and pieces" (voice and masks) on the Internet, under various usernames....
I don't know why he chooses to do that.... but it's very possible, I can't reject this theory!

And I believe that Pearl Jr. is a clever woman, I've watched her and listened to her all these hoax-years, so I could make an opinion about her.
There is of course this mystery about her and who is really behind her, what are her true intentions, etc... she also spread some false leads, purposely or not.... I don't know, we can't be sure of anything, you know!
I also followed myself and probably still do, false leads! It doesn't mean I want to guide believers towards bad fake paths! Pearl Jr. is also a believer like we all are , she's also trying to find the truth, with he possible difference that maybe, just maybe, Pearl Jr. is a true insider playing the role of a simple believer!!
 We all researched stuff and we all know how it is when you find something that connects to more interesting stuff and how it is when you think you found something, you are excited and all about it, but in the end it proves to be a "false alarm', it's nothing really worth investigating. It happens! it happened to all of us at least once ! That's why wee need to act like a team, like an army of love, support each other, guide and help each other on the good "yellow brick road" ;)

But one thing I am sure about: Pearl Jr. is a very clever, astute woman! And I doubt she would fall that easily into a faker's games! I'm not saying I 100%% trust her or her decisions/beliefs, but at the same time , I think she cannot be easily fooled around by a fame-thirsty impersonator! She said she talked for hours with this Peterpan, on Skype ... and I have this feeling that she knows what she's doing!

If Pearl Jr. is making fun of us, with this Peterpan, and if she is messing us with this Romanian castle story, then she should be ashamed of herself.
But as much as I want to imagine Pearl Jr. doing bad stuff like that, I can't ^^ I can't believe her capable of just simply lying like that! just to achieve high audience and sell her stuff as she is always accused of. If she really tells lies for money, then again, all we can do is wait for the BAM moment to finally learn all the the truth from Michael himself!

Until, then, I prefer to be be all EARS and EYES and to take everything , every piece of info into consideration, because you never know! one can never know!!

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I "think" I've seen pics of Pearl with some of the Jacksons.  I'm thinking if she knows them, and this hoax business she has been profiting off to say the least, promoting, the family would stop her, or ask her to stop.  Really, wouldn't the "estate" because supposedly all revenue has to go through their permissions.  So this continues to reaffirm to me the hoax is indeed real and that Pearl is in the "know", or to be making money from it all, she'd be stopped.

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Actually I don't believe she cashes in (is this how it looks this verb at 3rd person?  confused/) that much; lately she's complaining that the proceeds are low and that she might stop her investigation, and get a job somewhere instead.

I don't believe she is involved in the hoax.
Someone in the Jackson family (I think it was Jermaine) once said that if they'd have to sue everyone who write books, etc. about them, they would not have time for anything else, so...

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fordtocarr & veronicafall - 2 opposing points of view, I tend to agree with everyone.
I guess the TRUTH lies somewhere in the MIDDLE !

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Since we were talking about Dracula's castle, some previous pages ago on this thread...

I thought it's interesting that Paris posted this on April 1st, 2012
http://copygr.am/ymcmb_breezy/


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Since we were talking about Dracula's castle, some previous pages ago on this thread...

I thought it's interesting that Paris posted this on April 1st, 2012
http://copygr.am/ymcmb_breezy/



wow, Sim, that could be something! or unbelievable coincidence! perfect find!  :th_bravo:
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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@emulik: I gotta THANK @finfinfiona, she gave me that link on twittter, with all the pics posted by Paris on Instagram - http://copygr.am/ymcmb_breezy/

Here's another one.... that puzzles me

Posted by Paris on March 30th, 2012

What is this pic??

Dracula or V for Vendetta?


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@emulik: I gotta THANK @finfinfiona, she gave me that link on twittter, with all the pics posted by Paris on Instagram - http://copygr.am/ymcmb_breezy/

Here's another one.... that puzzles me

Posted by Paris on March 30th, 2012

What is this pic??

Dracula or V for Vendetta?

















interesting one! maybe V, maybe Dr...but definitely interesting for us! :)
"Please do not forget who the driver is! ...:)

MJ will get us home safely! :)

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Just for general info... and because of my discussion with MjonMind about underground secret tunnels ,
in this thread: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22103.msg396588/topicseen.html#new 
I recalled that under the Palace of Parliament of Bucharest there are also underground floors!
Maybe nothing has any connection to the hoax anyway, but I am interested in these underground constructions!
 I think it's fascinating... and I thought to share this info with you here....


8 Underground floors underneath
the Palace of Parliament of Bucharest




[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx3qF6WOOkM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]


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Power and Error - The People's Palace in Bucharest - http://www.ovimagazine.com/art/1808
[....]Ceausescu conceived the palace as a great legacy for his Golden Epoch. It was meant to last forever; it is indestructible and was built to resist a nuclear attack. It is the second largest building in the world, after the Pentagon. The building follows in the tradition of everlasting monumental buildings, such as the Pyramids, conceived for the eternal lives of the Pharaohs. Like the great constructions of Antiquity, the Palace was built on slave labor and many sacrifices. Twenty thousand workers, many of them soldiers, toiled around the clock while the entire country was brought to economic disaster for the Realization of the Great Dream.
The building itself is Piranesian and labyrinthic. It contains as many floors below ground as above and a whole system of bunkers and tunnels. To ensure secrecy, the architects were not allowed to have an overview of the site, so the construction proceeded chaotically. Nowadays, despite the glamor of the Parliament Chambers and the neutral spaces of the Museum, parts of the building remain unfinished and some are already decaying. [...]


Funny how the cornerstone was laid exactly on JUNE 25th , 1984 !!!
The same date, Prince released his 6th album - "PURPLE Rain" !!
Don't you LOVE these coincidences??? Also take a look at the numbers !!


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Ceausescu's Lasting, Loathed Legacy -
http://www.bucharest-life.com/bucharest/palace-of-parliament
[....]Construction began on 'The People's House' in 1983, with the cornerstone laid June 25, 1984.
Some 700 Romanian architects purportedly collaborated on its design which combines elements and motifs from a multitude of classical sources, creating an eclectic, undefinable architectural style.
Measuring 270 meters wide by 240m long, 86m high and 92m underground, the People's Palace is 12 stories tall with an undisclosed number of underground levels (at least 8 ) in varying stages of completion.
It's 1,100 rooms were apparently constructed strictly from Romanian materials, though most locals seem skeptical of this.
Estimates of the materials used include 1 million cubic meters of Transylvanian marble, 3,500 metric tonnes of crystal for the 480 chandeliers and 1,409 lights and mirrors that were manufactured, 700,000 tonnes of steel and bronze, 900,000 cubic metres of wood and 200,000 square meters of woven carpets, many of which were spun on site.
Though no figures have been officially released, it is said that some 20,000 workers toiled in 24-hour shifts, seven days a week, to build the Palace at the pace at which it was being constructed.  [....]

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How Big It Is? - A few figures - http://www.squidoo.com/palace-of-the-parliament-bucharest-romania
- 2.55 million cubic meters volume - the 3rd building in the world after the rocket assembly hangar at Cape Canaveral and Quetzalcoatl pyramid in Mexico; it has a bigger volume than the pyramid of Cheope in Egypt
- area of 330.000 square meters - 2nd in the world after Pentagon building
- has a rectangular shape: 270 m (890 ft) by 240 m (790 ft) and 86 m high (282 ft), 1,100 rooms.
- 12 levels above the ground

- 8 underground levels measuring 92 m (302 ft): 4 levels currently available for the general public and another 4 levels in different stages of completion
- 2 underground parking garages
comprising 440 offices and 10 conference and meeting halls (three halls between 1,000 and 1,500 square meters each, two halls of over 2,000 square meters each, two meeting halls with a capacity of 1,200 seats and respectively 850 seats)

- the biggest conference hall, Union Hall (Sala Unirii) is 16 m height and has an area of 2200 square meters
- in Union Hall there is the biggest chandelier in the Palace which weights 3 tonnes and has 7000 lighting bulbs. [....]

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Largest administrative building-world record set by The Palace of the Romanian Parliament  - http://www.worldrecordsacademy.org/biggest/largest_administrative_building_world_record_set_by_the_Palace_of_the_Romanian_Parliament_80185.htm
[....] The Chief Architect was Mrs. Anca Petrescu; she was the leader of a team of 700 architects and 20,000 people working 27/7.
The Palace of the Parliament measures 270 m by 240 m, 86 m high, and 92 m under ground. It has 1,100 rooms and is 12 stories tall, with four additional underground levels currently available and in use, with another four in different stages of completion.
The security features, a testimony to Ceausescu's fears of attack, might still be useful during the April NATO meeting if the Alliance's leaders were to come under threat, said its designer and chief architect, Anca Petrescu. "The building is prepared for a high degree of security," she said for Reuters.
The underground parking has enough space for 20,000 cars!  [....]


Top Gear Romania series 14 episode 1 (part B)
Bucharest Parliament Palace




^^ CLICK on the image to see the video.
If it doesn't work, go on this link:
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In this video ^^ the guys from "Top Gear " rally in their cars trough the underground tunnels of the Palace of Parliament


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OMGosh Sim.....that building is amazing!  I had no idea.  Lol...I just posted in the other thread about tunnels. 
I love the whole idea of secret tunnels.....it's amazing to think about....although a bit scary too for some reason.  Maybe because it's unknown....I have to laugh at the Top Gear episode you posted ..... I love that show.  It's also #14, lol. 
Thank you Sim.....amazing stuff...truly appreciated. 

Blessings

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I am not really sure why are we talking about the house of the parliament.
It's not a beautiful building on the outside (JMO) but it's very beautiful on the inside and what i think it's amazing and crazy at the same time is that the former dictator wanted it all made of Romanian materials. There is nothing of import in that building because he wanted to prove we can do it all by ourselves. Pretty crazy IMO.
People were starving but we were building the world's second largest building :icon_rolleyes:.