Leslie Carter...Another BIG PHARMA VICTIM...Let's Not forget her either!

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 Last updated at 10:35 AM on 4th February 2012


Leslie Carter endured a long battle with mental illness and depression before overdosing, according to a police report.
The sister of Nick and Aaron Carter died on Monday in New York at just 25, leaving behind a 10-month-old daughter Allysa Jane and husband, Mike Ashton.

There were three drugs found near Carter, according to an incident report obtained by ABC News - Olanzapine, used to treat the symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder; Cyclobenzaprine, a muscle relaxant; and Alprazolam, used to treat anxiety or panic disorders, also known as Xanax.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2095594/Leslie-Carter-death-Nick-Aarons-sister-overdosed-battle-mental-illness.html#ixzz1mD4GS6f3

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Just a young girl!

So sad, she just was out of that filthy business...

Indeed, they prescribe killer stuff to moderately depressed people
who could do without ANY pills {I do for at least 10 years, NO WAY I take
that cr*p! Stay clean, stay sober.} and look what happens - they get addicted
ASAP, they turn impossibly desperate without pills and then we get another
"Tragic loss today.." headline.
They adore that bipolar disorder diagnosis these days! Of course, instead of helping
ppl to improve condition naturally, they overdose them with chemical sh*t, killing
brain chemistry to the point of no return. Sick.

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@Aidan - I would appreciate it, if you'd get it straight: She suffered a treatable Mental Illness! "Big Pharma" didn't cause her illness - so please get off your bandwagon with her. Normally, a doctor will prescribe meds AND send the person to a therapist!! YOU are responsible to follow through, as an ADULT.

- An insider reveals that not only was Leslie battling a prescription drug addiction, she felt neglected by most of her family members.
Leslie Carter seemed to have it all: a devoted husband, a darling 10-month-old girl and a famous family. But a source tells HollywoodLife.com that the fame tore Leslie’s family apart and that she grew distant from her siblings over the past several years.

“Leslie was depressed,” a source tells us. “She was battling a major addiction and yes, it was a surprise when she suddenly died. But before anyone even said what caused it, everyone thought the same thing. She battled a prescription drug addiction for a while.  Some think that she was even battling from postpartum depression, too.”

Leslie, 25, was one of five kids — Nick, Bobbie Jean, Aaron Carter and his twin sister Angel Carter.

“Everyone in that family is trying to make it in Hollywood and it caused jealousy and pitted some of them against each other,” our source says. “When Leslie got married, several members of her family didn’t even attend. Close friends definitely find it strange that Nick isn’t taking time off to go be with his family and he’s instead performing in NYC — even though he did dedicate his tour to her. Many think the way the family is handling it is very bizarre.”

Aaron did take to Twitter on Feb. 2 to express his profound grief over Leslie’s death: “#broken #distraught #pain #confusion #disbelief #agony #Anger #lost #Sad #Family #LeslieCarter #empty #Leslie #dazed #Heaven #Sister”

We spoke to the Coroner’s Office on Feb. 1 and they told HollywoodLife.com that they released Leslie’s body to the family and that the autopsy was complete. Funeral arrangements for Leslie have yet to be announced. The toxicology report could take four to six weeks for the results.

— Chloe Melas

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 Last updated at 10:35 AM on 4th February 2012


Leslie Carter endured a long battle with mental illness and depression before overdosing, according to a police report.
The sister of Nick and Aaron Carter died on Monday in New York at just 25, leaving behind a 10-month-old daughter Allysa Jane and husband, Mike Ashton.

There were three drugs found near Carter, according to an incident report obtained by ABC News - Olanzapine, used to treat the symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder; Cyclobenzaprine, a muscle relaxant; and Alprazolam, used to treat anxiety or panic disorders, also known as Xanax.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2095594/Leslie-Carter-death-Nick-Aarons-sister-overdosed-battle-mental-illness.html#ixzz1mD4GS6f3

I saw some news about this on TMZ,last night,sad very sad  :'( .If I remember correct Macaulay Culkins sister died too in 2008 ,but not because of drugs.
R.I. P. Leslie Carter  :( .


Nick Carter Taking Time Off Following Sister's Death


Nick Carter has two more stops on his tour, but after that the singer plans on taking some time off to grieve following the death of his sister ... sources close to Carter tell TMZ.

According to our sources, Carter will play the last two tour dates (tonight in Chicago and tomorrow in Columbus) in memory of his sister Leslie, who passed away on January 31.

After that, we're told Nick will not schedule any more appearances ... and will take a couple of weeks to go off and deal with his sister's death. Our sources say Nick is still dealing with the fact that he missed her funeral.

As TMZ previously reported, the Carter family believes Leslie overdosed on prescription drugs.

See also

    Nick, Aaron's Sister Leslie Carter Dead at 25
    Leslie Carter -- Prescription Drugs Suspected in Death
    Nick Carter -- Nobody Told Me About My Sister Leslie's Funeral

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How can people die on the same drugs I'm taking!? HOW!? I've screamed this into the night, as I count my pills, making sure I put the correct number into my morning, afternoon, and night minders for the week.

Oh, wait...I've also signed an agreement with Pain Management, and see her every month! I get spinals a few times per year, and I don't exercise to look great - I exercise so I can move around, without stooping. The side effects are wonderful, but that isn't the reason. Exercise 3 - 5x week, 30+ minutes per day worth of therapy, is part of my Pain Management schedule.

If my my multiple pains break through what I take, I'm allowed 2 different types of meds - neither anything a normal person can take.
ABSOLUTELY NO ALCOHOL nor CAFFEINE is allowed, as it causes a sort of Wind-Up problem with me, at bedtime.

It does pain me, horribly to see, die of what I take. But then, I don't sit there and swallow the entire bottle! I take only what's in my minder, for the day, every 6 hours, like clockwork. I don't deviate from it - because my life is valuable to me.

When I get depressed, I sit on my balcony, and nap or read, with a cool breeze blowing, as the sun shines gently in the wind.

It's been 10 years I've fought this CNS, Fibro monster. I suffer differently than most; I'm still not in a wheelchair full time like I was promised I'd be in, back in 2002. I refuse. Sure, I may get tired easily - but I meditate to help diffuse the pain.

I moved back to a home studio, I work half weeks mostly, and all nighters when the mood strikes me right, and I just can't stop.

My point? I adjusted to my illness, instead of taking higher levels of drugs to keep up with a fast pace. I slowed down, enjoy life more. I'd rather be slightly slower and a perfectionist, and hire out people to pick up my slack to hit my deadlines.

That's the best way I've found to deal with all the drugs given to deal with it; and it works best on a schedule.

Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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Tink, not everyone can "adjust" to anything, and mind you all people come
from different surroundings, experienced different types of abuse and psychological
pressure and, if we don't have real schizophrenia, all these "bipolar disorders"
and "anxieties" can be dealt with without medication, via good food, good therapy [that
doesn't exist in most places] and that is nothing but talking and money making
from air and our LONELINESS {I tried that and I know that}, OR through grand family
support. That's why that bond is important. People get LONELY, closed,
and seek wrong types of help - but ppl can die from taking Aspirin, you know.
But they won't take a bottle of Aspirin at once because they do not expect
Aspirin to "help them sleep" or to "make me happy and cheerful again" or to
"make bad thoughts go away".
Don't project your experience on everyone - unstable young girls, abandoned by
family, should NOT get heavy stuff available as they will overdose sleeping pills
very likely, don't blame the patient! In US it sounds like every 2nd person has pharmacy
in his fridge, it's SHOCKING for me to learn how many pills you get, even young kids!
It's not THE solution, and all the "treatable mental disorders" are often a fraud
when real problem stays the same - loneliness, abandonment, lack of communication
between people like family members. Pills can't help them to get in touch with loved ones again,
pills are not company to confide in.

My friend, poor lady, got that "bipolar" diagnosis {they stamp you with it easily, only happy
to get new lifelong client!} and they gave her so many pills, so she is now addicted - she gets
serious withdrawal symptoms and it's scary - when she had no access to that cr*p,
sorry never knew drug "names" as we're in different countries and it all goes under various
names, she can't stay "clean" anymore because she can't get through withdrawal,
 and indeed she has it WORSE than before she started the "treatment". She now has
serious weight issues - she thinks it's all connected, but I never dug that much, so
 I suppose since medicine in no way makes her a happy person, she is just as unhappy
with her life if not more, she eats more as most depressed ppl do. She's fairly poor and that
medicine takes a lot of her money. She's their slave for life now and she's easy to control, too.
Her personality changed a lot, too. And yes, the real problem she started with was good
old LONELINESS and lack of contact, like personal, intimate contact. Life is too fast and
we are so preoccupied with ourselves, our jobs, we don't notice ones who need help as simple
as sincere conversations on a regular basis. We can't trust each other so we avoid confidence
and real friendships, we think new stuff or pills can make us happy and "complete" again,
while it's not true.

NO WAY I'll ever blame a girl for being abandoned and desperate. "Good doctor" should
learn about his patient first, so he would know what's safe what's not. But good old Dr.
cares only for money in most cases.

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@Aidan81


You are 100% on the rite track. "mental illness, depression, bi-polar", those are ALL MADE-UP DISEASES just so BIG PHARMA can keep the physiatrists in business. For those on medication on these "diseases" you've been deceived into thinking you have this disease. Like I have said, I have been on 3 to 4 different meds at one time thinking I needed them, because ......I was sad sometimes..........i got a pill........I was depressed sometimes.........I got another pill...........My body ached.......I got another pill...........I got angry sometimes........I got another pill..........I couldn't sleep sometimes..........I got another pill..........I couldn't focus sometimes............I got another pill........I got leg cramps (restless leg symdrome).......I got another pill I cried sometimes...........I got another pill.......I felt exhausted sometimes...........I got another pill...........C'mon American's this is how it operates.

If you have any emotions showing at all for anything...........go get a pill........dumb you down.......

And when I took myself off all these "bullshit disease drugs", guess what? I've never felt better. I changed the vitamin & mineral intake, & took cetain things from my diet out of my diet.

The same reason why people over eat, because they eat EMPTY CALORIES, because they eat food that gives them NO nutritional value. Then keep eating to get the nutritional value they could've eaten in one meal or supplied vitamins with it.

Because I took myself off my meds & keep getting asked from my doctor about my emotions & getting put back on "in case" I  need them, I'm more control of my mind than ever.

I've come to the conclusion that if American's continue to deny what's put in front of them about BIG PHARMA, & they are currently ANY medication for any "man-made disease", American's will not see the truth, until you get off those medications & open your mind to the fact you've been deceived.

Trust me, I get so mad to think I was conned that long thinking I had depression, ADHD, anxiety, etc......man what a joke.

As for Leslie Carter, having family issues. Everyone does. Leslie Carter was introduced real early to BIG PHARMA, she didn't have the knowledge to know how dangerous these drugs really are.

@Tink

Personally I don't care to know what kind of problems people have with their family. It's not my business. What should be American's concern is that BIG PHARMA is over medicating....Period.
This is intentional. Its intentonal that they keep you un-informed about the dangers. Sure they give you side effects, really who reads that "intentional small print"? yes it's up to the patient to read them.

How about medical doctors just telling you, "take vitamins & minerals", "you dont need medication" yea right.!!

So all the "childhood issues", everyone has them, I do. I was at one time, thought medication would be the answer. Now I just get pissed when I see how many American's are so "dumb down", then I'm the enemy, & conspiracy theorist because I try to warn them.

Well the next a loved one gets taken away from you. American's better start asking questions. Why don't you ask your doctor of how many people die from prescritption medications???? whether its overdose or not???

And when the mind altering drug didn't immediately take away her 'unhappy" feelings......go get another pill.......to make those feeliings go away.......if they don't go away.........go get another pill.........see people this is what's it all about.........

BIG PHARMA doesn't want people to FEEL THEIR EMOTIONS, they want them suppressed.

American's are easier to control when over 50% can't think for themselves.....MISSION ONCE AGAIN ACCOMPLISHED.....NEXT!........


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@Aidan81


You are 100% on the rite track. "mental illness, depression, bi-polar", those are ALL MADE-UP DISEASES just so BIG PHARMA can keep the physiatrists in business. For those on medication on these "diseases" you've been deceived into thinking you have this disease. Like I have said, I have been on 3 to 4 different meds at one time thinking I needed them, because ......I was sad sometimes..........i got a pill........I was depressed sometimes.........I got another pill...........My body ached.......I got another pill...........I got angry sometimes........I got another pill..........I couldn't sleep sometimes..........I got another pill..........I couldn't focus sometimes............I got another pill........I got leg cramps (restless leg symdrome).......I got another pill I cried sometimes...........I got another pill.......I felt exhausted sometimes...........I got another pill...........C'mon American's this is how it operates.

If you have any emotions showing at all for anything...........go get a pill........dumb you down.......

And when I took myself off all these "bullshit disease drugs", guess what? I've never felt better. I changed the vitamin & mineral intake, & took cetain things from my diet out of my diet.

The same reason why people over eat, because they eat EMPTY CALORIES, because they eat food that gives them NO nutritional value. Then keep eating to get the nutritional value they could've eaten in one meal or supplied vitamins with it.

Because I took myself off my meds & keep getting asked from my doctor about my emotions & getting put back on "in case" I  need them, I'm more control of my mind than ever.

I've come to the conclusion that if American's continue to deny what's put in front of them about BIG PHARMA, & they are currently ANY medication for any "man-made disease", American's will not see the truth, until you get off those medications & open your mind to the fact you've been deceived.

Trust me, I get so mad to think I was conned that long thinking I had depression, ADHD, anxiety, etc......man what a joke.

As for Leslie Carter, having family issues. Everyone does. Leslie Carter was introduced real early to BIG PHARMA, she didn't have the knowledge to know how dangerous these drugs really are.

@Tink

Personally I don't care to know what kind of problems people have with their family. It's not my business. What should be American's concern is that BIG PHARMA is over medicating....Period.
This is intentional. Its intentonal that they keep you un-informed about the dangers. Sure they give you side effects, really who reads that "intentional small print"? yes it's up to the patient to read them.

How about medical doctors just telling you, "take vitamins & minerals", "you dont need medication" yea right.!!

So all the "childhood issues", everyone has them, I do. I was at one time, thought medication would be the answer. Now I just get pissed when I see how many American's are so "dumb down", then I'm the enemy, & conspiracy theorist because I try to warn them.

Well the next a loved one gets taken away from you. American's better start asking questions. Why don't you ask your doctor of how many people die from prescritption medications???? whether its overdose or not???

And when the mind altering drug didn't immediately take away her 'unhappy" feelings......go get another pill.......to make those feeliings go away.......if they don't go away.........go get another pill.........see people this is what's it all about.........

BIG PHARMA doesn't want people to FEEL THEIR EMOTIONS, they want them suppressed.

American's are easier to control when over 50% can't think for themselves.....MISSION ONCE AGAIN ACCOMPLISHED.....NEXT!........
Totally agree with this post.Big Pharma only cares about making money,they don't care how many people lose their lives,by accidental overdoses.The only thing they care about is racking up billions,while thousands die every year,because of the poison that's in those tiny bottles.The shit has to stop.   
MJ u are so beautiful,inside and out,u truly are a gift from God.I love u,brother.

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A majority of doctors will prescribe anything for non existent problems because they make money doing it. Last year I had to go to the hospital because I got chemicals in both my eyes and it hurt really bad, so I got freaked out. I told the doctor and the nurse what exactly happened, and the doctor said I had pink eye and gave me a pink eye prescription! Lol. Then one time, I hurt my finger, it was super swollen and my mom had me go in to see if it was broken. They x-rayed me and said "well it's not fractured so it's broken" My mom and I looked at each other like wtf? Lol, that statement alone doesn't even make sense. So they put me in a splint, and two days later it still hurt a little but I could move it. Definitely wasn't broken. And even a few years back, my school made my mom get me a therapist, and they ended up trying to prescribe me so many pills, even a tranquilizer. When I refused they sent me to another hospital which had a psych ward, to be "evaluated". They asked me if my stomach hurt. I was like uh a little? Because I was NERVOUS, and I had no idea why I was there. So they tricked me with that question and said I needed an x-ray, just because my stomach hurt, which I said was from being nervous. Then they drew so much blood I almost passed out. While you're at the hospital they try to rack up your bill as much as they can. This whole system just sucks.

My mom has severe Fibromyalgia, arthritis, and she's had carpel tunnel since she was a kid and she's never taken one pill for it. (besides her natural supplements) I feel really bad for all the people who get addicted to this stuff. It really is worse than illegal street drugs.

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@ilovemjforever
@empyreal


I'm so glad there are people seeing what the prescription drugs are doing. This isn't even about health anymore. It's all about control, power, greed, money, & drugs. Doctors took an oath, ----never to harm----what the hell happened? Yes, it's funny how doctors just don't even "listen" to their patients. Yea, you go in for nerves, I'm not suprised they wanted to do an x-ray. Not only pump more radiation in you, but they we're hoping youi'd fall for another "made-up disease" & I got the cure........AMERICAN'S....GET THIS RIGHT......THEY WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER FIND A CURE FOR ANY CANCER!!!!  .....THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE CURE...AGAIN.....THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE CURE!!!

If you know someone that has cancer, if they are going medical chemo route....say your goodbyes NOW!

The whole medical military complex is designed to keep American's sick, on drugs, in debt, fearful, among a few.

This isn't about keeping us healthy. As long as people keep believing their medication is keeping them alive, & things have "stablized" in their health because of it, your being FOOLED AGAIN!

How many people have to die? boycott taking medication! Arm yourself with KNOWLEDGE of the dangers, & the medical agenda.

Guys & gals, they are not hiding this information. Because I wanted off all my medications, when someone told me about the dangers, I wanted to prove them wrong. I wanted to tell them "show me the proof",
"i'm not wasting my times on opinions" ,  & www. naturalnews.com has NEVER NEVER steered me wrong.

The truth is too much to bear I understand, but your life depends on it.

Beautiful talented people have been robbed of their life due to BIG PHARMA!

Anyone who's on medication reading this.....ask yourself could I be taking something natural for this?......Do I really even have this "man-made disease"?.........Is my doctor pushing me to take more medication?.......Is my doctor trying to refer to a therapist?????..........Does my doctor want to do unwanted testing????........

Because alot of symtoms are caused by all food we eat & sugars we consume, the "fake symptoms" are usually something else.....like fibromyalga .....can be linked to fake symptoms, which are exactly like aspertane poisoning. Look it up. Are you drinking diet sodas? & have similiar symptoms to fibromyalga?   










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I research my fibro medications, pain medications, CNS medications - before I go to the doctor. I'm the one who brings the list of the latest, greatest
meds, TO MY DOCTORS! We then see what's covered, and where to go from there.

Now - doesn't that sound like a much better way to work with your doctors? Because that's how I roll. I'm up front about it. If they don't like it,
I'll find another one, who's interested in treating me like an actual patient with a BRAIN.

I research, I study, I'm working on being as healthy as can be.
Black & Proud! I'm like the Oracle/Batgirl, who helps Batman in the comic books. I believe in "Comic Book justice."


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Tink, YOU are doing it right, safe way. YOU know how it should be done,
YOU educated yourself about that when you had time. Or maybe someone
wise told you to keep an eye on everything yourself.
Again, I made same mistakes earlier in life - I call that mistakes - projected MY experience
and knowledge on others and was annoyed when others acted "not my way".
But now I know they are not to blame for that! How would they know
what to do? Not everyone is born with abnormal "6th sense" or intuition.
Young ones, they have no idea they should research anything.
They do not know how to do that!
Ppl already hooked up on pills - they don't control it anymore, either not allowed
to or literally can not, such thoughts already do not cross their cloudy minds.
Also, BIG factor - most people TRUST doctors, blindly. We are told to trust
them all our life, and most people do. Any doctors. Till they have some horrid personal
experience, but then they are still made to believe it was just an "accident" and they
should keep trusting all Drs.

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@aidan81

Problem with young kids going in for depression & anxiety, into doctors office, is that the crap they are already loaded in our foods & water, drinks, etc....& because they want to do all this non-needed screening for bi-polar, depression, etc.... these young kids are getting put on medication as low as age 2, which is wrecking havoc with the brain that is just developing. So now we've dumbed down our next generation.

History has been with EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL SHOOTING, the student had been on a prescription medication for either depression, anxiety, etc....which is totally sabatoging their brain,

Dumbing Down America..........

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Tink, YOU are doing it right, safe way. YOU know how it should be done,
YOU educated yourself about that when you had time. Or maybe someone
wise told you to keep an eye on everything yourself.
Again, I made same mistakes earlier in life - I call that mistakes - projected MY experience
and knowledge on others and was annoyed when others acted "not my way".
But now I know they are not to blame for that! How would they know
what to do? Not everyone is born with abnormal "6th sense" or intuition.
Young ones, they have no idea they should research anything.
They do not know how to do that!
Ppl already hooked up on pills - they don't control it anymore, either not allowed
to or literally can not, such thoughts already do not cross their cloudy minds.
Also, BIG factor - most people TRUST doctors, blindly. We are told to trust
them all our life, and most people do. Any doctors. Till they have some horrid personal
experience, but then they are still made to believe it was just an "accident" and they
should keep trusting all Drs.

You both are right  /bravo/

I personally thank God for my prescription.  This isn't something I can just stop taking, and it's alarming to me that someone would just up and just stop taking something if they have something like a life threatening condition.  Not ALL prescriptions are evil.  The bulk of this has to do with addiction, and people just flat out misusing them.  But also, carelessness plays a role too.  Like taking an anti anxiety med, and without thought a few hours later, taking a sleeping pill = dangerous. 

You learn really quick that you are your only advocate.  You have to be willing to research everything.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.  Not all doctors are evil, but you'll know really quick which ones aren't worth their weight in salt.  The good docs will listen and happily answer questions and address concerns.  They are the ones that aren't pushing anti depressants samples at you if you just complain of having a bad day (ran into that- no joke) - she wasn't my doc after that.   While I think there could be some checks and balances and better regulation, I don't like blanketing all prescriptions under this one big bad "evil" blanket.   There does need to be some major changes though.

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Tink, YOU are doing it right, safe way. YOU know how it should be done,
YOU educated yourself about that when you had time. Or maybe someone
wise told you to keep an eye on everything yourself.
Again, I made same mistakes earlier in life - I call that mistakes - projected MY experience
and knowledge on others and was annoyed when others acted "not my way".
But now I know they are not to blame for that! How would they know
what to do? Not everyone is born with abnormal "6th sense" or intuition.
Young ones, they have no idea they should research anything.
They do not know how to do that!
Ppl already hooked up on pills - they don't control it anymore, either not allowed
to or literally can not, such thoughts already do not cross their cloudy minds.
Also, BIG factor - most people TRUST doctors, blindly. We are told to trust
them all our life, and most people do. Any doctors. Till they have some horrid personal
experience, but then they are still made to believe it was just an "accident" and they
should keep trusting all Drs.

You both are right  /bravo/

I personally thank God for my prescription.  This isn't something I can just stop taking, and it's alarming to me that someone would just up and just stop taking something if they have something like a life threatening condition.  Not ALL prescriptions are evil.  The bulk of this has to do with addiction, and people just flat out misusing them.  But also, carelessness plays a role too.  Like taking an anti anxiety med, and without thought a few hours later, taking a sleeping pill = dangerous. 

You learn really quick that you are your only advocate.  You have to be willing to research everything.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.  Not all doctors are evil, but you'll know really quick which ones aren't worth their weight in salt.  The good docs will listen and happily answer questions and address concerns.  They are the ones that aren't pushing anti depressants samples at you if you just complain of having a bad day (ran into that- no joke) - she wasn't my doc after that.   While I think there could be some checks and balances and better regulation, I don't like blanketing all prescriptions under this one big bad "evil" blanket.   There does need to be some major changes though.

@Aidan - You make me blush. I saw what happened to my mom, when she was depressed & unhappy with my dad. The docs gave her valium, & other stuff called "Mother's little helpers" back in the '70s. Only divorce helped to ease her mental anguish, sadly.

I learned. I read. I observed...and yes - I did toy with being a doctor myself, and got that mindset, which freaks them out those who just take what they're told. I force the docs to give me my pound of flesh, during my appointment - and theirs.

@MJfan - I have my meds broken up into morning, mid-day, and bedtime cycles. You are completely correct, that you just can't take morning at nighttime with some of these. And, yes - I do have a life threatening condition mixed up in all of this. If I stopped everything, it would most likely kill me. I have a MEDALERT bracelet.

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My heart goes out to the Carter family. She was a lovely girl.


That could easily have happened to my daughter, who during teen-aged depression tried twice to kill herself by swallowing bottles of pills, and was cutting herself. Our family relationship was so volatile at that time, it was difficult to even know what was happening until afterwards, when it could have been too late.  We tried putting her on medication but she said it really didn't have any effect, and the doctor warned her she could damage her liver for life, if she tried the overdose stunt again.  Now, 3 or so years later, with counselling and maturity she is fine, and looks back wondering where her head was. We are now very close.  But I would say there is no easy answers, it's almost that you just want them to somehow make it through those years alive.  Her emotional pain was because of a sexual abuse that had taken place years earlier, that we as parents had not known about.

My nephew has diagnosed bi-polar (strongly in his extended family) and talked many times of killing himself, and even when on regular medication was not doing so well.  But then when he went off gradually, and started smoking marijuana regularly, he found that that was thing that helped him the most. His father my brother-in-law, in fact ABSOLUTELY  HAS to be on medication the rest of his life (won't go into that story but it went very badly several times when he went off).

I have a good friend whose husband was planning to kill her and their 3 children, and that's when they realized he needed medication. Now after professional help and difficult years, they are finally a stable family again, but he HAS to be on medication for the rest of his life.

My mother was sexually abused as a child, and was given shock treatments, long institution stays, and many medications, all of which dulled her brain, but not her self-loathing. She died (long ago) at 50 from drug complications, and I had no real mother growing up.

Drug companies are not completely evil, and people's physical/mental problems can be complicated with no easy solutions.
If natural means of controlling depression are working, that's great, but if not, some things should not be played around with. JMO
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If natural means of controlling depression are working, that's great, but if not, some things should not be played around with. JMO

- that's true of course. Problem is they are too happy to prescribe you
something even before you tried other ways of helping yourself.

Lol, when I described my "bipolar" symptoms to mom, she said "but I had it
all my life!" and told me what she was using to "get out of it", which was basically
concentrating hard on work, "good housekeeping" [obsessive if you ask me lol]
and plain things like that. Then I reviewed
my life habits, changed the way I eat etc. and I go without any pills for many years
as, thank God, I'm scared of such pills enough to never try, when good Dr. first
was happy to prescribe me things to control my moods, I said "no, I'll try it my way
first".  I saw my friend taking something like condemned Prozac - and he was a scary
sight to me. Just scary. He's now clean and basically what took him out was
getting married and having children, simple as that! His life is back.

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I owe my daughter's life to God, of course....but also to 'Western' medicine, science and technology.  She was born 12 weeks early and weighed in at just under 3 lbs.  Because of that...I KNOW that there is 'good' in it....in its philosophy, in its practices, and in its intent....and I will always be grateful for the role that 'Western' medicine had in helping my daughter survive.  However....nothing involving 'man' is ever 'foolproof' or 'absolute' or all 'good'....and that includes 'Western' medicine. 

My experiences with my daughter and her special needs have brought us down many 'paths' that I know I wouldn't have experienced had it not been for the miracle and struggles of her life.  Based on 10 years of MY experience (firsthand)....I would conclude that most doctors are not 'bad' people and they don't set out to get people addicted to drugs nor are their intentions 'evil'.  However they, too, ARE a product of a 'system' that has a certain 'ideology' and set of beliefs/practices....they, too, are 'conditioned' to think and act a certain way based on a 'Western' model.  IMO...again based on what I've experienced....somewhere along the way, that 'model' stopped seeing the individual as a whole being (if it ever did)....and instead began only seeing symptoms or 'problems' that don't fall within THEIR definition of 'normal'....symptoms and problems that are best taken care of with 'man-made' substances generated/created/produced by, and within, that same 'system'.  They treat the symptom, not the root (not the whole person).  My lack of faith, not in doctors per se, but in the 'system'....led me to explore many other alternative 'models'...and there ARE many others outside the 'bubble'.

In fact, many alternative models have been around for centuries....the 'Western' model is fairly 'new' when compared to some other ideologies or traditions/practices.  Just as one should research ANY advice given by any doctor (regardless of what 'model' they adhere to)....IMO, one should also venture outside the model they were born into and research what lies beyond.  Granted, there are many 'struggles' that ANY 'model' can not, and will not, be able to 'cure' (those lie soley in God's realm)....but the different 'managing' or coping options available relegate 'Western' medicine to just ONE branch.  And while the end result may be the same regardless of which model one chooses (i.e. Western vs. Eastern medicine....although there are many others)....the 'getting there' can be quite different depending on the 'system'/ideology behind it.  There is always something 'better' out there....or at least something 'different' worth trying....especially when no 'quick fix' is gonna do it.

@MJonmind....thank you for sharing your story about your daughter...I can't begin to imagine how difficult those times were for all of you.  I'm SO happy that she is better and that you are closer because of it.  May God continue to bless you and your family  ::P

With L.O.V.E. always.

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Tink, not everyone can "adjust" to anything, and mind you all people come
from different surroundings, experienced different types of abuse and psychological
pressure and, if we don't have real schizophrenia, all these "bipolar disorders"
and "anxieties" can be dealt with without medication, via good food, good therapy [that
doesn't exist in most places] and that is nothing but talking and money making
from air and our LONELINESS {I tried that and I know that}, OR through grand family
support. That's why that bond is important. People get LONELY, closed,
and seek wrong types of help - but ppl can die from taking Aspirin, you know.
But they won't take a bottle of Aspirin at once because they do not expect
Aspirin to "help them sleep" or to "make me happy and cheerful again" or to
"make bad thoughts go away".
Don't project your experience on everyone - unstable young girls, abandoned by
family, should NOT get heavy stuff available as they will overdose sleeping pills
very likely, don't blame the patient! In US it sounds like every 2nd person has pharmacy
in his fridge, it's SHOCKING for me to learn how many pills you get, even young kids!
It's not THE solution, and all the "treatable mental disorders" are often a fraud
when real problem stays the same - loneliness, abandonment, lack of communication
between people like family members. Pills can't help them to get in touch with loved ones again,
pills are not company to confide in.

My friend, poor lady, got that "bipolar" diagnosis {they stamp you with it easily, only happy
to get new lifelong client!} and they gave her so many pills, so she is now addicted - she gets
serious withdrawal symptoms and it's scary - when she had no access to that cr*p,
sorry never knew drug "names" as we're in different countries and it all goes under various
names, she can't stay "clean" anymore because she can't get through withdrawal,
 and indeed she has it WORSE than before she started the "treatment". She now has
serious weight issues - she thinks it's all connected, but I never dug that much, so
 I suppose since medicine in no way makes her a happy person, she is just as unhappy
with her life if not more, she eats more as most depressed ppl do. She's fairly poor and that
medicine takes a lot of her money. She's their slave for life now and she's easy to control, too.
Her personality changed a lot, too. And yes, the real problem she started with was good
old LONELINESS and lack of contact, like personal, intimate contact. Life is too fast and
we are so preoccupied with ourselves, our jobs, we don't notice ones who need help as simple
as sincere conversations on a regular basis. We can't trust each other so we avoid confidence
and real friendships, we think new stuff or pills can make us happy and "complete" again,
while it's not true.

NO WAY I'll ever blame a girl for being abandoned and desperate. "Good doctor" should
learn about his patient first, so he would know what's safe what's not. But good old Dr.
cares only for money in most cases.

Very good post Aidan!

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Life is too fast and
we are so preoccupied with ourselves, our jobs, we don't notice ones who need help as simple
as sincere conversations on a regular basis. We can't trust each other so we avoid confidence
and real friendships, we think new stuff or pills can make us happy and "complete" again,
while it's not true.

 

Sadly true. I hope there will be a change, a moral turning point, that people start to realise and SEE (and not turn their head) the other who needs help and start to ACT (and not say "I'm too busy" :roll:), which could be just listening or do a small favor and know this might mean a big favor for them.

L.O.V.E.

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People only take drugs when they have them, I guess everyone may be different, but I've gone through so many life phases and bad experiences, but I've NEVER taken drugs to suss it out, not once.
I think it's easy for people not to take drugs, find something else to vent your anger/sadness onto, rather than using drugs to 'cure' the pain. It doesn't take away the pain if you keep wanting more, obviously.
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How Our Obsession With Celebrities Fuels The Drug Culture
In today's celebrity obsessed culture it is easy to become enamored with the glamorous lifestyles of movie stars and rock gods. They look how we want to look, act how we'd like to act, seem smart, capable and friendly. However, a staggering number of these modern day idols are succumbing to the pressures fame can induce by turning to drugs and alcohol. Brazenly flaunting their vices to the masses, this phenomenon is having a startling effect on our society. Drug addiction is not something to be glorified or admired, as is done so often on television or in movies, but to be confronted. Drug rehabilitation needs to be seen as a necessary step to recovery as opposed to a trending topic on reality television.
 
Impressionable Kids
 
People love to follow celebrity gossip through tabloids, television and internet blogs. Unfortunately, some of the information contained in these outlets aren't true. Famous people can have their problems blown way out of proportion many different ways. Kids see how they are living their lives and want to imitate. If they see Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears out at night partying with drugs and alcohol they will do they exact same thing. Ultimately, parents must keep watch over their children so they do not fall into these destructive patterns.
 
Celebrity Rehab
 
When celebrities hit rock bottom and go to rehab people become even more obsessed with their lives. They seem so interesting compared to most peoples mundane lives. There are even reality television shows on air that deal with this very subject. People want to see celebrities confront their issues in front of a camera so they can gossip about them even more. This is a recent phenomenon that is very unhealthy for our country.
 
Misconceptions
 
Unlike normal people who need to seek rehabilitation, celebrities are able to afford luxury treatment facilities. People get the impression, from seeing these places on television, that rehab is a glamorous experience. The reality could not be further from the truth. In fact, rehab is one of the toughest things a person can ever go through. Society needs to wake up to the fact that a drug addiction is not the latest fashion accessory.
 
Media
 
The mainstream media, namely the paparazzi, need to stop reporting such inane stories about celebrities and their alleged drug use. It fosters a fascination that serves no purpose other than making drug use seem more normal. It is confusing for a young person to see their favorite celebrity using drugs while maintaining a successful career that is endorsed by the media. It makes it seem like there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.
 
Help From Family
 
People who have regular nine to five jobs live very different lifestyles from the celebrities out in Hollywood. They do not have the money in most cases to cultivate and maintain a serious drug habit. If they do, they surely will not have the money for expensive, resort like treatment centers they see on television. It is important for people to realize what they see on television and read in tabloids does not accurately reflect real life. If a person fails to understand this it will make them think it is okay to have a hard partying lifestyle.
 

Our nation's obsession with celebrities has spilled over into an obsession with their drug habits. Young people want to imitate what they see their favorite celebrities doing, even if includes very harmful behavior. We need to, as a society, educate people that drug addiction is not something to be admired. Drug rehabilitation is critical for individuals dealing with an addiction so that they can begin the recovery process.


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One of the most over prescribed drugs on the market is prescribed to children and pharma has made billions on it, Ritalin.  They have no problems using our children for guinea pigs.  The more the merrier.  They simply don’t care.  It’s all about money like almost every evil known to man.
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One of the most over prescribed drugs on the market is prescribed to children and pharma has made billions on it, Ritalin.  They have no problems using our children for guinea pigs.  The more the merrier.  They simply don’t care.  It’s all about money like almost every evil known to man.

My adopted siblings HAD to have Ritalin, all the way through High school. There's no if, and, or buts - without it, they couldn't focus for 30 seconds on anything, whatsoever!! We'd give them a summer break off of it, but they'd literally destroy the house!  :-[ We oft spent vacation money on re-upholstery.
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One of the most over prescribed drugs on the market is prescribed to children and pharma has made billions on it, Ritalin.  They have no problems using our children for guinea pigs.  The more the merrier.  They simply don’t care.  It’s all about money like almost every evil known to man.

My adopted siblings HAD to have Ritalin, all the way through High school. There's no if, and, or buts - without it, they couldn't focus for 30 seconds on anything, whatsoever!! We'd give them a summer break off of it, but they'd literally destroy the house!  :-[ We oft spent vacation money on re-upholstery.

As long as American's keep believing they need some medicine to handle every day life, BIG PHARMA will keep supplying them. If people will understand they have emotions that "need" to be felt & instead American's want to "suppress" them. If you suppress them, your easier to control. Why do you think teachers wanted kids as young as 2 on Ritalin & adderall. Easier to control. A childs' brain is at it's most cruical time of growing, & now we're brain damaging them with synethnic drugs. Any synethic drug in our system doesn't belong there....period....

If American's have that thought process of HAVING TO TAKE PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION FOR REST OF THEIR LIFE, then expect your life to be cut shorter than someone who isn't taking prescription drugs.

99% of all pain & failed immuned system is because of the food & drinks & synthetic drugs you are putting in your body.

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BeTheChange, thanks for your find words!
Much love to you as well, and God's blessings on you and your daughter!

Just to put death and health in perspective:  http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_pop/human_pop.html

Past Human Population Growth




Projected World Population Growth


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In previous lectures, we have described how human cultural development was closely tied to changes in the natural environment. Successive cultural revolutions, such as the agricultural revolution, have led to surges in population. Figure 1 summarizes again the historical record, typical of a "J-shaped" growth, with humans filling new niches and (perhaps) not yet reaching a limiting carrying capacity. One feature to note in this plot is the lack of huge fluctuations associated with famines or wars. In fact, the nature of J-shaped (exponential) growth is such that episodic reductions due to such catastrophes usually do not affect the inexorable and overpowering upward acceleration in population size. An exception is the period of the "black death" in Europe, which produced a noticeable but small downward spike in the curve. The wholesale loss of life due to world wars of the 20th century produced only small perturbations to the upward trend.


The human population growth of the last century has been truly phenomenal. It required only 40 years after 1950 for the population to double from 2.5 billion to 5 billion. This doubling time is less than the average human lifetime. The world population passed 6 billion just before the end of the 20th century.  Present estimates are for the population to reach 8-12 billion before the end of the 21st century. During each lecture hour, more than 10,000 new people enter the world, a rate of ~3 per second!
Of the 6 billion people, about half live in poverty and at least one fifth are severely undernourished. The rest live out their lives in comparative comfort and health.
The factors affecting global human population are very simple. They are fertility, mortality, initial population, and time. The current growth rate of ~1.3% per year is smaller than the peak which occurred a few decades ago (~2.1% per year in 1965-1970), but since this rate acts on a much larger population base, the absolute number of new people per year (~90 million) is at an all time high. The stabilization of population will require a reduction in fertility globally. In the most optimistic view, this will take some time.
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@MJonmind: That's why women have fought so hard for control over their bodies, for so long! What good is it to have so many children, just because a man wants to prove he's fertile, then go off and leave the women to fend for their families in Africa?

Women and children are always, always who suffer. This cycle is what we've been trying to break for so very very long. It's so obvious in the Middle East, but prevalent where poverty reigns!

Empower women - and birth levels drop; they don't have to watch their children die; they don't have to die in childbirth - and of bizarre infections, as they're treated as baby machines.
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And also know that ALL VACCINES have ingredients that affect sterility. Why do you think BIG PHARMA pushing vaccines? They know that as long as vaccines are loaded full of drugs making you sterile, they know the population will go down. Bill Gates, the biggest pusher & funder behind vaccines, openly admits that if he can make vaccines mandatory, he can lower the population by 15-20%. You-Tube has video. Look it up!

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I humbly disagree about the vaccines. They've helped us to EXTEND our lifespans, conquer so many, many diseases. Jonas Salk & Polio is a great one! Until you've seen people survive, crippled by it - oh wait, most people don't have it. 2 people in my family wear braces on legs still, though older.
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I humbly disagree about the vaccines. They've helped us to EXTEND our lifespans, conquer so many, many diseases. Jonas Salk & Polio is a great one! Until you've seen people survive, crippled by it - oh wait, most people don't have it. 2 people in my family wear braces on legs still, though older.

First vaccines were NOT meant to do any harm, that's for sure! No doubt for me, too.
We erased many deadly deceases with them, but closer to the end
of XX century I'm afraid someone realized what else can be done using new
vaccines and by making them mandatory... people change, agenda changes, and
let's admit it - people of power go "evil" real fast, they think different and they think
it's up to them to decide who should live and reproduce, who should not.
I  know people, I know what power does to their mindset, so why not? Nothing
"fantasy" about such theories IMHO. Human nature. The whole Nazi Germany thing
was oh so real, and it was what it was - it's not just mid-century Germans who easily adopted
such mindset you know. People are prone to that sadly.

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@Aidan, I'm curious - have you and your family been subjected to prejudism, or any of the sterilization experiments, because your family was deemed inferior to breed?

What the Nazis did, was based upon the Eugenics work done in America , done by BUSH SR. and his cronies! They sterilized 60,000 PEOPLE, who had DARK SKIN, and European features! My grandmother escaped Virginia, which is how I know!! ::) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Integrity_Act_of_1924

Trying to call it the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924" fails to impress me. Please read the huge mess my family's embroiled in.

We were considered inferior, for the color of our skin!! PREJUDISM, STERILIZATION. It's by luck, I'm in existence. Both African-American & American-Indian, but denied my heritage, because of tampering with records by some jerk!

So, yes - I'm quite aware of the evil governments can do out of paranoia. And also, how we inadvertently gave the Nazis the idea for exterminating the Jews...it was indeed us, who planted the seeds (see article).

I'll do the preaching this round, if you don't mind. As of January, 2012, some of the sterilized victims and their families have been compensated in S. Carolina. IMHO? Much too little, too late.
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Before I get condemned on the vaccines, please look into the polio vaccine. The sick-o scientist that created it as been found out. As far back when the vaccine came out it was already showing problems. But I'm not going to go into on here. If your looking for the truth on the polio vaccine, & the lies that have been told, I suggest doing some research. In 2003 the truth was exposed on "mr. polio-savior".  Vaccines back in my day, might have been "safer". There is NO SAFE VACCINE! Any time your blood stream & brain in shot up with toxins, that don't belong there, how could anyone ever expect a good outcome? It's called Deception.

Because of the agenda of the medical industrial complex of what we call "BIG PHARMA", vaccines have become deadly. If you don't think so, just look up "deaths from vaccines", you tell me how all this innocent children & adults deserved to die by injections? They didn't.

If vaccines we're so safe, why is Bill Gates trying to make it mandatory that EVERY PERSON get's vaccinated? And......he even says "if we can make vaccines mandatory, we can reduce the population by 15-20%?"

I'm sorry but anyone with any common sense....should say......"THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL US"

C'mon he's openly telling US this, because he's behind the funding & research. He's a sick sick evil man.

Look it up people......YOU TUBE.....Bill Gates lowers population by making vaccines mandatory.

@tink

compensation for being a victim without knowledge, only reason why they we're compensated is because they we're found out ....again.....& again.........& again......

Why would anyone in thier right god given mind trust anything our own government says?
If they telling their doing something for your safety, you better think again.

They tell people, they use human's as guinea pigs with vaccines, they admit this people, but then you think the vaccine they giving you for a flu shot is safe?

CDC has ADMITTED, THEY'VE ADMITTED......THE FLU SHOT IS A SCAM & USELESS........again........our own government has ADMITTED the flu shot is a hoax.

Next time, someone wants to get a flu shot, ask for the strain from like 2007, because that's what your probably getting. it's useless.


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First of all: I'm not condemning you! I'm against blanket statements.

I do question people's motives. But also - I know one of the research scientists (friends with his brother), who co-created the HPV vaccine Cervarix, to prevent Cervical Cancer!! I found out about this, during the trials taking place in other countries. They were up against Gardasil, and were having trouble getting into America at the time. They finally passed the trials. They've been proven to be much better, and this is a huge ball of wax with me, because many of my gay friends have...throat cancer from HPV. Gardasil is given for free to teenagers and through 20s, but not people older - it costs $150 for both shots, which I don't think is fair at all. Everyone is at risk for the 4 - 5 deadly cancers HPV can cause. Women suffer the most, but men seem to be the ones who spread them the most.

As for the FLU, Guillain-Barré Syndrome is the only issue that I'm aware of that can happen. People will oft have the flu and not know it, when they get their shot - and blame the vaccine.

Blanket Statements are what I'm against.

And for the record, I've got my own pail of illnesses on top of Fibro that I've been diagnosed with. ADHD is a MAJOR one - and I received Cognitive skill re-training for that (learning to be patient; LISTEN, argh!). But - it really helps!! My doctor and I felt this was #1, instead of trying any drugs.

So, I do go out of my way - and I've also have had my fair share of reactions to shots. The old "horse serum" tetanus shot, I'd have such violent reactions to, I was on the "give only as needed, period," list. So when they finally came up with a new one, I gladly got that one! No side effects at all for me.

My adopted brother & sister who have autism? Genetic on their mother's side, plus she and her husband were HEROIN addicts. They were born addicted to heroin! Sadly, my adopted sis has had horrifying battles with crack and heroin and alcohol...I spent early last year with her, but she wouldn't stay in Rehab. I've lost many, many other family members to addiction, and like I told momma - it's in God's hands now.

That had nothing to do with shots - everything to do with drugs.
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@Aidan, I'm curious - have you and your family been subjected to prejudism, or any of the sterilization experiments, because your family was deemed inferior to breed?

- my people were sub-people by Nazi theory, and my grandfathers were fighting
the bastards in 1941-1945. It was kill or be killed.  Mine survived  :mrgreen:
AND here in Russia we were well informed about that Eugenics thing, in fact
we know we are seen as "inferior" nation up to this day and many would be happy
if we just stopped breeding. But we do not :P instead we die young  ::)  but that's another
story and this started in 90s.
I see vaccines as 2 types - one type is useful, another type is dangerous/not
tested enough/not necessary. Parent should check what decease is widespread
and lethal for babies {immigrants brought some things back, things that were forgotten
in USSR, so some dangers are still around} and what decease is rare enough
and most likely will not affect the baby in the area family lives in. Also parents must educate
themselves on vaccines' action and ..err.. ingredients. Parents should NOT blindly follow
Drs. instructions. Sadly they are often forced to, and yes I see that as a danger.
If someone wants the whole nation to be sterile for example, it's TOO EASY to do just that.

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Vaccines have become the way of Bill Gates being able to fund & control the population. By sterilization of the toxins put in vaccines & they trying to have "forced annoculation" of vaccines, with babies getting shot up at 2 days old, by the time the child reaches the age to have children, they won't be able to, because of the sterilization.

This affects my next generation. My oldest grandson is 5. If he would've continued to get vaccines on schedule he most likely would've had lower sperm count, & not being able to become a parent.

This is where is this is so wrong, it should not be up to BIG PHARMA to decide whether or not my grandson has kids.

Because of what's admitted everyday by BIG PHARMA of how deadly the prescription meds, scam of the flu shots, vaccines, etc.... why would anyone want to even trust that what the srain of this flu shot this year , or any other deadly HPV, Gardasil, etc...that it's safe.

HPV & Gardasil has had devasting deaths.... for a disease your never going to get anyways.

The chance of even getting those diseases is not worth the risk.

The problem is that people don't check out their deadly side effects, & when a loved one dies, or has devasting side effects of a vaccine or prescription, people are uninformed that they should be asking questions, & quit accepting that "is just his time to go"......NO! quit accepting what doctors tell you, alot of doctors have to "primed" & " molded" by BIG PHARMA the big funders of their schooling.

I don't believe all medical people are bad, I feel like they are also a victim of the lies being told when they go to school. But they are waking up to the corrupt system & many are leaving because that oath they took...."not to do harm" is on some doctors & nurses conscience.

Lets hope that this pattern & trend continues...

Offline MJFan4444

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@Aidan, I'm curious - have you and your family been subjected to prejudism, or any of the sterilization experiments, because your family was deemed inferior to breed?

- my people were sub-people by Nazi theory, and my grandfathers were fighting
the bastards in 1941-1945. It was kill or be killed.  Mine survived  :mrgreen:
AND here in Russia we were well informed about that Eugenics thing, in fact
we know we are seen as "inferior" nation up to this day and many would be happy
if we just stopped breeding. But we do not :P instead we die young  ::)  but that's another
story and this started in 90s.
I see vaccines as 2 types - one type is useful, another type is dangerous/not
tested enough/not necessary. Parent should check what decease is widespread
and lethal for babies {immigrants brought some things back, things that were forgotten
in USSR, so some dangers are still around} and what decease is rare enough
and most likely will not affect the baby in the area family lives in. Also parents must educate
themselves on vaccines' action and ..err.. ingredients. Parents should NOT blindly follow
Drs. instructions. Sadly they are often forced to, and yes I see that as a danger.
If someone wants the whole nation to be sterile for example, it's TOO EASY to do just that.

That is where researching and KNOWING your rights steps in.  All states have medical exemptions you can file to opt out of vaccines, and many states in the U.S. even have personal exemptions, so you can opt out for your own personal reasoning.  No one should blindly follow anyone.  Vaccines were never forced on my children and I had to fill out paper work and sign permission slips for them to even have the vaccines.

My children have not and will not get the Gardasil vaccine.  It's too new, and as with new drugs now, people tend to be the test samples.  I don't wish to see the horrible outbreaks of polio or measles again.  I knew a man crippled by polio.  I gladly made sure my children had the appropriate vaccines.  I think it would be much wiser to space them out, and many parents are doing just that.

Offline LoveShyMichael

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Not only do humans become guinea pigs, they do unknowling also. Any vaccine that is new is potential for too much "testing" on the ones who don't know anything about vaccines.

What I get pissed about with the vaccines is because in most states, they are not mandatory. But more & more medical professionals are bluntly lying & telling parents that their child NEEDS THIS VACCINES or they can't go to school or daycare. Which is a LIE! Then when I brought up the fact any parent can get a waiver, then they say .."oh yes, you can get one, but they NEED these vaccines"

My daughter got at least a 4 minute message on her cell phone about vaccines from the doctors office where she takes my grand daughter for her check ups. Saying everything about the health of vaccines. I mean really 4 minutes....unbelievable.

It's almost to the point of harrassment now.


 

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