EDIT.. "ANONYMOUS" HACKS INTO "SONYS ENTIRE CATALOG ".....

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http://isohunt.com/torrents/Michael+Jackson+FULL

Taaj Malik just posted this on facebook............ ARE YOU HEARING ME!!! 

http://isohunt.com/torrents/Michael+Jackson+FULL


Probably better be quick or it may be gone soon......Good luck and OMG....quick...I need a big USB stick  /bravo/ /bravo/


http://teammichaeljackson.com/anonymous-to-hack-sony-on-monday

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wish I knew how. I have bit torrent, dont know how to use it though !!

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Maybe another member can help you...I have no idea either.........

BUT BIGGER news is that Anonymous is on a war on the web.....


Spread the word and RT - FTC's "federal online security site" was hacked tonight by #Anonymous to support #opMegaupload

https://twitter.com/#!/YourAnonNews

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Maybe I'm ignorant of something here, but isn't it right that people should pay for entertainment in the way they did when they had to go off to the shops to buy 45s and videos? (Showing my age here!)

Technology and the internet should not allow people to get hold of stuff for free, someone, somewhere, has to pay and I suspect it's ultimately the artists that suffer.

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this was on piratebay.com (another bit torrent site)........



shit is going down


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this was on piratebay.com (another bit torrent site)........



shit is going down
/bravo/ that 4 and 5 years comparison sounds really bizzare!
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what about when the record labels exploit the artist?
People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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Maybe I'm ignorant of something here, but isn't it right that people should pay for entertainment in the way they did when they had to go off to the shops to buy 45s and videos? (Showing my age here!)

Technology and the internet should not allow people to get hold of stuff for free, someone, somewhere, has to pay and I suspect it's ultimately the artists that suffer.

I do agree with you, but I also see Anonymous's point...  I will not be downloading anything from the free torrants, mainly because I am too scared to. 

I just hope this action, proves a point, and shows that people do have a voice, and we do have power in numbers..................God bless to all.....Security sites have also been hacked....

One poster wrote this on his wall   "KILLUMINATI"
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 03:52:23 AM by 2good2btrue »

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 /bravo/

I love Annonymous - They kick ass!~
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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this was on piratebay.com (another bit torrent site)........



shit is going down

Good catch.  Money is more valuable than a human life, I guess.

Does anyone else find this Anonymous thing a little preposterous?  I am on their side (or on Michael's side :)), but I'm not buying the story.   Seems to me it's a cover story for a more clandestine operation to expose the truth to the world in a dramatic fashion.  After all, artists LIE to reveal the truth, no?

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I am not jumping on that wagon.
The issue is more complex. In the web and elsewhere, companies are not bad and individuals are not good - per se. There are two sides to the medal and it is not black or white but grey and darkgrey.

I do not agree that a whatever privately mixed youtube video with some underlaying music in only 80% quality is taken off the web or not authorized to be watched because "this and that has made copyright claims or did not agree to pay royalties". This is taking money for copies and not for the original and is exceeding common sense.
I also do not agree to include wikipedia e.g. into any royalties program. wikipedia is not a field to take / pay royalties since wikipedia is distributing common knowledge and is properly linking to origin and further information.

I however fully agree that there is NO way that artists and their distributing companies are not getting paid for their originals that are being distributed illegally. There is intellectual property and there is a right to protect this from abuse and rights' infringement. The web is no free space for everything and also google has lost many lawsuits already for infringement of personal rights.

Be careful to download. It is not only illegal in the U.S.
You might catch some malware in addition. Torrent sites are known for that.
Plus you never know who might be behind this and will store your IP address for whatever intention afterwards.

For me, it is a natural component of an upright attitude to not go for illegal activities.
Michael would not have undertaken all those efforts for the Motown catalogues and supported all those artists if he would not have known that the music business and living of their craft and talents has become very difficult for artists. Many can not live from creating music.
In fact, the music industry was much dependent on Michael's comeback because business is doing so bad due to illegal internet activies. I have read statements that were indicating that they put their hopes on Michael to turn the market around.

I am not jumping on that wagon and will buy my copies with my money.
Or else this music would not be worth anything, would it?
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 09:47:38 AM by Grace »
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what about when the record labels exploit the artist?
Amen,sister. /bravo/
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this was on piratebay.com (another bit torrent site)........



shit is going down

Good catch.  Money is more valuable than a human life, I guess.

Does anyone else find this Anonymous thing a little preposterous?  I am on their side (or on Michael's side :)), but I'm not buying the story.   Seems to me it's a cover story for a more clandestine operation to expose the truth to the world in a dramatic fashion.  After all, artists LIE to reveal the truth, no?

Wow! This is the 1st time I saw this pic! Its makes a great point.

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I am not jumping on that wagon.
The issue is more complex. In the web and elsewhere, companies are not bad and individuals are not good - per se. There are two sides to the medal and it is not black or white but grey and darkgrey.

I do not agree that a whatever privately mixed youtube video with some underlaying music in only 80% quality is taken off the web or not authorized to be watched because "this and that has made copyright claims or did not agree to pay royalties". This is taking money for copies and not for the original and is exceeding common sense.
I also do not agree to include wikipedia e.g. into any royalties program. wikipedia is not a field to take / pay royalties since wikipedia is distributing common knowledge and is properly linking to origin and further information.

I however fully agree that there is NO way that artists and their distributing companies are not getting paid for their originals that are being distributed illegally. There is intellectual property and there is a right to protect this from abuse and rights' infringement. The web is no free space for everything and also google has lost many lawsuits already for infringement of personal rights.

Be careful to download. It is not only illegal in the U.S.
You might catch some malware in addition. Torrent sites are known for that.
Plus you never know who might be behind this and will store your IP address for whatever intention afterwards.

For me, it is a natural component of an upright attitude to not go for illegal activities.
Michael would not have undertaken all those efforts for the Motown catalogues and supported all those artists if he would not have known that the music business and living of their craft and talents has become very difficult for artists. Many can not live from creating music.
In fact, the music industry was much dependent on Michael's comeback because business is doing so bad due to illegal internet activies. I have read statements that were indicating that they put their hopes on Michael to turn the market around.

I am not jumping on that wagon and will buy my copies with my money.
Or else this music would not be worth anything, would it?

Great post, Grace. I fully agree.

I support Anonymous if their only intent is to prove a point but I can't when they go to the extreme of allowing people to download music and entertainment for free when it normally would be paid for. It's no different than a mob running through a street vandalizing stores and stealing their merchandise.

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Stop Online Piracy Act

Friday, Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM 21:33:32 UTC+0100
 Reid bows to online protest

Protest against SOPA derails the Senate bill favored by the majority leader


After Wednesday’s one-day  blackout of Wikipedia, Craigslist and scores of other sites to protest the House of Representatives’ Stop Online Piracy Act and its Senate companion, Protect IP Act; after Google’s collection of a reported 7 million petition signatures; after seven co-sponsors of the Senate bill repudiated it and dozens of other rejected it, attention turned to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a supporter of the legislation. What would he do in response to the historic digital outcry?

On Friday morning, Reid settled the matter. “In light of recent events,” read a statement sent out by his office, “I have decided to postpone Tuesday’s vote on the PROTECT I.P. Act.”
 
http://www.salon.com/2012/01/20/reid_caves_in_response_to_online_protest/singleton/

I must say I prefer Wikipedia's and Google's protest actions.

Sue Gardner, executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, said:
"The Wikimedia Foundation welcomes these developments. This is another step towards the ultimate destruction of these two pieces of proposed legislation. But let's be clear, these bills are not dead. They will return, and when they do, they must not harm the interests of the hundreds of millions of people who contribute to the free and open internet.
"The blackout was led by millions of ordinary internet users, and the people who make projects like Wikipedia possible - writers, photographers, editors and illustrators. They sent a clear message to Congress: don't mess with free expression, don't destroy the free and open Internet, don't do the bidding of traditional corporate interests. This is a moment in history when the people who create and share works on the internet as part of the free knowledge movement, and the people who depend on access to those works, are asking to be heard and to have their freedom of speech protected."
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Statement_on_Jan_20_events_in_Washington

True,

though...

true too:


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Roughly 4 out of 5 digital music downloads in the U.S. are via P2P and other unauthorized services.
In the last 10 years, the major music labels' direct employment in the U.S. fell from about 25,000 people in 1999 to less than 10,000 today - a drastic reduction of over 60% in people who enable the creation and development of new music
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http://www.musicunited.org/1_whocares.aspx

my thoughts are controversial on this matter. I'm against SOPA which controls and takes away our internet freedom, though musicians and artists (and I'm not talking about multi money making enterprises like Sony) should be protected against increasing internet piracy.

Duff McKagan absolutely made a point here:

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Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA. Where's the Public Outrage Over Internet Piracy?

By Duff McKaganThu., Jan. 19 2012 at 5:30 AM
Sitting in my usual chair, watching my usual a.m. updates on CNN's Headline News, Wednesday morning, I, like every other American tuned in to at least one form of media, was inundated with verbiage about anti-piracy legislation known as PIPA and SOPA.

The legislation's meant to combat theft of creative works like movies and music from overseas web sites. But when I turned to the Twitter and Facebook, I saw an overwhelming dog pile of support against the bills. Excuse me, but where were you all when piracy started to decimate the music industry? Why didn't you take a stand against that? Those free records felt good, huh?
 
The fury from the Internet class is that the broad language in the pieces of legislation will be bad for start-ups, might prevent the next YouTube, or give the government the ability to take down a whole site because of one link to copyrighted works. In short, they're opposed to the legislation because they think it will be bad for the Internet business.

Bad for business. Anti-piracy legislation could be bad for the Internet business. It almost takes my breath away. Internet piracy has claimed half of the recorded music business, and made the prospect of making a living as a musician harder for artists of all rank and file. Why didn't Google, or Facebook, or Wikipedia ever stand in solidarity with musicians, actors, and writers - most of whom have never known fame and fortune - as their works were stolen with no recourse on their sites?

Where are the "fans," the lovers of music? Why have they never stood up and taken a stand for the men and women in front of and behind the microphone? Yes, yes, this is all boring, right? It's typical that the "rich rock guy" would be spouting from his golden pulpit. But let me tell you something, the working stiffs at recording studios and record stores that have had to close thanks to rampant internet piracy never were rich, but they are out of a job.

Are people really actually pissed off because Wikipedia is going "black" for a day? Because people feel that their First Amendment rights are really being threatened? Or is it because they're afraid of losing free access to Deadwood and the Black Keys? Or are they worried that the next YouTube won't be able to build a business model off the unwitting investment of copyrighted material that users uploaded for free while investors and start-ups glibly proclaimed that they couldn't be responsible for actions users took? Wikipedia has thousands of volunteers and brags that they keep the site's content accurate. Why can't they regulate more rigorously for copyright violation, too? Too much of a bother?

Should the government be able to shut down Facebook because one user posts a link to copyrighted content? Of course not. But should Facebook and Google do a better job monitoring - and stop profiteering off- their users' access to illegal content? Absolutely. And, you know what, they're smart enough to figure it out.

When it comes to creative industries, we're not talking in the hypothetical. Recording studios all around the world have had to close. So have record stores. Movie studios have suffered. Many, many jobs have been lost. Many peoples' livelihoods have been affected. The people who make or who have made money from record sales are not the "bad guy," the pirater and the stealer are. Period. So, where's the public outcry?

As a practicing musician who has seen his industry turned upside down, and see how piracy has hurt every artist from chart-toppers to indie start-ups, this PIPA upheaval is a slap in the face.

If, as the claim goes, the social media masses were able to overturn the regime in Egypt, they can certainly turn the tide on Internet piracy.
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2012/01/quit_whining_about_sopa_and_pi.php


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People had better get use to Anonymous because I don’t think they are leaving anytime soon.  They are becoming notorious and don’t hide behind idle chatter.  When they strike, they go for the jugular.
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People had better get use to Anonymous because I don’t think they are leaving anytime soon.  They are becoming notorious and don’t hide behind idle chatter.  When they strike, they go for the jugular.

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People had better get use to Anonymous because I don’t think they are leaving anytime soon 

That's one of the reasons that I won't be a follower of Anonymous.
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Whether one follows them or not doesn’t seem to deter them once their minds are made up.  So…
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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I do not believe that this " law " sopa/pipa is only to protect copyright or against piracy, they want to control the entire content on the internet, the cursed position believe the policemen of the world

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I do not believe that this " law " sopa/pipa is only to protect copyright or against piracy, they want to control the entire content on the internet, the cursed position believe the policemen of the world

Paula - I believe you are right. But there is a fine line and it appears as though Anonymous is crossing them unafraid.
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Violence never resolves an issue. It is clever negociating and convincing that clears path.

You cannot go loot shops and distribute the goods you have stolen for free just because somebody had declared they wanted you to identify yourself the next time you wanna go shop.
Go tell them why it is nonsense to identify yourself in the future. Give them a reasoning with cost and profit, glue a price tag on the case with the names of blocked / consumed ressources, opportunity cost, required time, spent $$$ and you will see how many ideas will find their way back into a drawer or even better into storage S which is the shredder.

Salespersons think in terms of their customer not in their own range.
That's how they sell garbage and make you happy with it.
Understand your vis-à-vis and you will get them do what you want.
The best of class know what the customer wants before the customer wants it.
That's the art of it.

Clever beats power. Always.

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Maybe I'm ignorant of something here, but isn't it right that people should pay for entertainment in the way they did when they had to go off to the shops to buy 45s and videos? (Showing my age here!)

Technology and the internet should not allow people to get hold of stuff for free, someone, somewhere, has to pay and I suspect it's ultimately the artists that suffer.

I do agree with you, but I also see Anonymous's point...  I will not be downloading anything from the free torrants, mainly because I am too scared to. 

I just hope this action, proves a point, and shows that people do have a voice, and we do have power in numbers..................God bless to all.....Security sites have also been hacked....

One poster wrote this on his wall   "KILLUMINATI"

I do hope you all realize, that this group calling itself "Anonymous" is a bunch of Pirates. What they've done, is HARM the artists, by releasing their music for free!

They've also earned themselves multiple seats in Club Fed, for breaking countless Federal and Inter Country laws now. I have no love for them. Mark my words, they will be made an example of.
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This SOPA  thing has MORE TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF ALTERNATE INTERNET. Once again if the government can shut down the alternate sources of internet, & only control what they want you to know... period..... This whole music piracy thing is "smoke & mirrors" for what they REALLY want to do. They want to shut down internet & the president sees fit. Just put the "kill switch" out there, & there goes any other souce of alternate media. Remember the government owns almost media... including You Tube, so if there's videos out there government may feel you'll be standing up for your rights,.........they just have You Tube pull it. The government tried slapping piracy violations against some music companies, & shut down companies while being investigated, which turned out to be bogus claims, it was just the way government operates, always outside the law, all criminal activity seems to go away. Why do you think China is rebelling? They already have sensored internet. And they know they are being lied to, so they are trying to find other ways to get true information. That is what our government wants for us. More rights being taken away, shut down ALTERNATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. The government wants American's to get news information from their "paid sources" like MSNBC, FOX NEWS, ETC..... how dare we look else where .... we shoudl just believe what they tell us......don't question authority.....start being dumb down....you can think for yourself.....

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This SOPA  thing has MORE TO DO WITH FREEDOM OF ALTERNATE INTERNET. Once again if the government can shut down the alternate sources of internet, & only control what they want you to know... period..... This whole music piracy thing is "smoke & mirrors" for what they REALLY want to do. They want to shut down internet & the president sees fit. Just put the "kill switch" out there, & there goes any other souce of alternate media. Remember the government owns almost media... including You Tube, so if there's videos out there government may feel you'll be standing up for your rights,.........they just have You Tube pull it. The government tried slapping piracy violations against some music companies, & shut down companies while being investigated, which turned out to be bogus claims, it was just the way government operates, always outside the law, all criminal activity seems to go away. Why do you think China is rebelling? They already have sensored internet. And they know they are being lied to, so they are trying to find other ways to get true information. That is what our government wants for us. More rights being taken away, shut down ALTERNATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. The government wants American's to get news information from their "paid sources" like MSNBC, FOX NEWS, ETC..... how dare we look else where .... we shoudl just believe what they tell us......don't question authority.....start being dumb down....you can think for yourself.....


Yes!  This is also what I think, Paula mentioned this as well.  I really don't think 'they' care about how many people in the industry such as musicians, writers, actors and others working in the field are becoming poorer.


I'm wondering what's going to happen to Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, and Kim Kardashian for their approval of Sopa, because they also have been warned that they're next (Operation Blackout and Mayhem).  (3rd video above)
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I think that fair use, when people say, use Youtube, and will either sing a favorite song, or use clips of a song, for real time things going on. Give them credit, and where to purchase the music. I also would feel better, if the person did pay the dollar for the song, so they aren't just pirating it blatantly.

Just seems to me, people have talent they'd love to share, and they could put out videos of it, and then sell the music of studio quality in Itunes, along with merchandise. But their songs are their money, and they need to protect what they can.

"Fair Use" needs to be defined, so children and grandparents don't get into trouble, posting births in their family, or showing pageants. Proud things done at school and church, shouldn't become something that the FBI comes after you for.

We need to come to the table, and talk about what is fair use, and what is blatant theft, what is comedy, etc.
But assaulting Sony's catalog and giving it away to whomever wants to download it, that violates untold amounts of laws, including people downloading to their individual computer, handing it over to friends, sharing hard drives, then finding better things to to with "their money," when it belongs to the artists it was just stolen from!! Just because a Pirate says, "Come and take it, I'm making a point," doesn't mean I went around in Mercedes with helicopters watching, as people walked off what they felt they were entitled to from Best Buy from the RIOTs! Within a few days, people felt so guilty, they lefts the items on the curb, for the police to please, take it away, it was a mistake and I'd gotten carried away, so sorry! Same mentality going on with Anonymous with songs right now. Give it back, don't take part of it! Don't give them any reason to do something so disgusting again!

I firmly believe that Anonymous SHOULD be held accountable for ALL the downloads they encouraged, while they were being Pirates! Disgusting display of Power!! I've been concerned about being online at all, as I don't want my computer absconded with, and used as part of this nightmare!

Musicians should be paid for their music, every time it's downloaded to be listened too! Artists are starving, the award shows are when they rent dresses and tuxedos, to look like what they used to all the time. Never meant they lived big, but at least they had a home and a car!!
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Musicians should be paid for their music, every time it's downloaded to be listened too! Artists are starving, the award shows are when they rent dresses and tuxedos, to look like what they used to all the time. Never meant they lived big, but at least they had a home and a car!!

I think that most of the general public (me included) only sees the glitz and glam and we aren't shown much of the struggle because that doesn't abode well with the "image" that is trying to be portrayed.

One thing that American Idol and X-Factor has done for me is awaken me to the fact that very few make it to a Michael Jackson or Diana Ross status. And fewer yet remain there. Most struggle to even be seen and some who are seen are only there for a very short time. It's a brutal life with little security.

In fact, look at the Jacksons if you need any more proof. At one time they were on top of the world and yet most of them struggled to make ends meet in the industry that fed them well when they were younger. Look at the acts in the Casino's and lounges - you'll notice that it's the stars of yester-year who were once able to fill arena's and now can barely fill a casino room.

It may be a smoke and mirror sort of demonstration but if it can't be done legally it shouldn't be done at all. That is just my humble opinion. I don't like censorship any more than the next person but I can't justify the means if it's done illegally.

When people download that music from Sony, one needs to remember that they are ultimately stealing from Michael and his heirs. He's worked hard for what he has - shouldn't he also reap the rewards? I think so.

As Marlon continues to say..."Study Peace".

Blessings to each of you.
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The piracy of music, movies, etc.... sure it can be illegal. But this isn't what it's all about. SOPA will be affecting privacy of internet. Again, this is just the "calm" before the storm. It's about killing the internet, at when the Preseident sees people are learning to much about how corrrupt it is. The government has been invading music companies, raw milk company, natural vitamins, the list goes on & on. Anything the government can't make money off of, or something thats good for you, the government wants to shut it down.....more control, more control,more control........just like China.

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The piracy of music, movies, etc.... sure it can be illegal. But this isn't what it's all about. SOPA will be affecting privacy of internet. Again, this is just the "calm" before the storm. It's about killing the internet, at when the Preseident sees people are learning to much about how corrrupt it is. The government has been invading music companies, raw milk company, natural vitamins, the list goes on & on. Anything the government can't make money off of, or something thats good for you, the government wants to shut it down.....more control, more control,more control........just like China.

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People had better get use to Anonymous because I don’t think they are leaving anytime soon.  They are becoming notorious and don’t hide behind idle chatter.  When they strike, they go for the jugular.

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People had better get use to Anonymous because I don’t think they are leaving anytime soon 

That's one of the reasons that I won't be a follower of Anonymous.
I am not jumping on that wagon.
The issue is more complex. In the web and elsewhere, companies are not bad and individuals are not good - per se. There are two sides to the medal and it is not black or white but grey and darkgrey.

I do not agree that a whatever privately mixed youtube video with some underlaying music in only 80% quality is taken off the web or not authorized to be watched because "this and that has made copyright claims or did not agree to pay royalties". This is taking money for copies and not for the original and is exceeding common sense.
I also do not agree to include wikipedia e.g. into any royalties program. wikipedia is not a field to take / pay royalties since wikipedia is distributing common knowledge and is properly linking to origin and further information.

I however fully agree that there is NO way that artists and their distributing companies are not getting paid for their originals that are being distributed illegally. There is intellectual property and there is a right to protect this from abuse and rights' infringement. The web is no free space for everything and also google has lost many lawsuits already for infringement of personal rights.

Be careful to download. It is not only illegal in the U.S.
You might catch some malware in addition. Torrent sites are known for that.
Plus you never know who might be behind this and will store your IP address for whatever intention afterwards.

For me, it is a natural component of an upright attitude to not go for illegal activities.
Michael would not have undertaken all those efforts for the Motown catalogues and supported all those artists if he would not have known that the music business and living of their craft and talents has become very difficult for artists. Many can not live from creating music.
In fact, the music industry was much dependent on Michael's comeback because business is doing so bad due to illegal internet activies. I have read statements that were indicating that they put their hopes on Michael to turn the market around.

I am not jumping on that wagon and will buy my copies with my money.
Or else this music would not be worth anything, would it?

Great post, Grace. I fully agree.

I support Anonymous if their only intent is to prove a point but I can't when they go to the extreme of allowing people to download music and entertainment for free when it normally would be paid for. It's no different than a mob running through a street vandalizing stores and stealing their merchandise.

Blessings to all.
http://isohunt.com/torrents/Michael+Jackson+FULL

Taaj Malik just posted this on facebook............ ARE YOU HEARING ME!!! 

http://isohunt.com/torrents/Michael+Jackson+FULL


Probably better be quick or it may be gone soon......Good luck and OMG....quick...I need a big USB stick  /bravo/ /bravo/


http://teammichaeljackson.com/anonymous-to-hack-sony-on-monday

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vF3aSJ4_2Ls[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjOPXpd9PSU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

I'm going to make a huge point: The FEDS caught what, 16 people associated with Anonymous last year, and some are still ROTTING in jail, if I'm not mistaken, with $250,000 in fines EACH, along with facing 15 years EACH, for what they did to Sony, etc., and that's just FOR LAST YEAR: http://www.zdnetasia.com/fbi-arrests-16-in-anonymous-hacking-investigation-62301266.htm
 http://www.zdnetasia.com/alleged-lulzsec-anonymous-hackers-arrested-in-us-62302199.htm

Anonymous hackers WILL pay for what they did, AGAIN. They get no free ride.

For those who stood their ground, resisted temptation: You should be proud, for resisting Temptation. You all know how precious Artist's rights are. It doesn't matter whether you believe in any conspiracies, or anything. THEFT from any and all Artists, is THEFT.

You can't justify it, no matter how you slice it.

I'm rather sick that people can't stay on track - this thread was about OPEN THEFT on Sony's catalog, then people tried to turn it into SOPA. NO; read the HEADER.

By what Anonymous did, by people being WEAK and STEALING, opens the way to stricter regulations. This will be used AS an example, because of all the thieves.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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only one simple rule needed to fix it all , but most tend to think it applies to the other guy and not to them.
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If this is such big news, why isnt it all over the news and the newspapers?

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I agree with ShyMichael - those Acts is about SEIZING THE ALTERNATE SOURCES of INFORMATION- aka part of the GLOBAL  INFO WAR. THAT control give them power over ppls minds and oppinions.

Now - ANONYMOUS Message in contrary is NOT Sony or artists target -  but example and warning that ANY NET SENSORSHIP CAN B ANONY-HACKED.

So- is GOP get the message?@@
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Also to keep in mind is, like a chess move, what is the opponent's anticipated move. Anonymous may invite worse by their actions--more clamping down/tighter restrictions/upgrading systems to be more hacker proof/more public support for Soppa, etc.

About the arrests-- Anonymous hackers get 10 or more years depending on how many counts!
Is Rupert Murdock in jail for what he did?
And Murray only gets 4 years for alleged manslaughter.


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Also to keep in mind is, like a chess move, what is the opponent's anticipated move. Anonymous may invite worse by their actions--more clamping down/tighter restrictions/upgrading systems to be more hacker proof/more public support for Soppa, etc.

About the arrests-- Anonymous hackers get 10 or more years depending on how many counts!
Is Rupert Murdock in jail for what he did?
And Murray only gets 4 years for alleged manslaughter.

They believe Murray's guilty of Murder Two; if I believed he was really dead, I'd say Murder Two also, give him 30 years.

Rupert Murdock has lost a paper, that's a money maker, remember that. He's lost FACE.
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We that concerned about some music being pirated, than human lives geing lost by our governments shady deals. Why aren't any of the government officials in prison for engeneering 9-11? all the brain damaged children from vaccines?  military personal used as guinea pigs for vaccines? all human that have been used as trials? why why why aren't these scum bags in prison??? Our damn near whole medical profession is corrupt, killing people, in the name " of cancer" why are they all immuned from their charges?  Here someone ( not saying it's right) downloads some music, & "they want to be made example of", while the real criminals that are runnig this country in the ground get away with "murder" literally. SOPA is jus the "smoke & mirrors" of their real agenda.  SHUTTING DOWN THE INTERNET, & ALL FORMS OF ALTERNATE MEDIA. PERIOD!!!   

**** EVERYTIME THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SAFER, ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY! ***

They put these "false flags" out there, like races fighting with races, wars with races, they put that FEAR in American's that the government will be the SAVIOR to help us out. Sure they'll help out by loss of our freedoms, for something they've already set up to be the rescuerer. So careful what you ask for, because I'm sure the government already has a plan, but it's not the plan you think..... SOPA for music piracy.....yea right........there's a bigger agenda for SOPA!!1

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We that concerned about some music being pirated, than human lives geing lost by our governments shady deals. Why aren't any of the government officials in prison for engeneering 9-11? all the brain damaged children from vaccines?  military personal used as guinea pigs for vaccines? all human that have been used as trials? why why why aren't these scum bags in prison??? Our damn near whole medical profession is corrupt, killing people, in the name " of cancer" why are they all immuned from their charges?  Here someone ( not saying it's right) downloads some music, & "they want to be made example of", while the real criminals that are runnig this country in the ground get away with "murder" literally. SOPA is jus the "smoke & mirrors" of their real agenda.  SHUTTING DOWN THE INTERNET, & ALL FORMS OF ALTERNATE MEDIA. PERIOD!!!   

**** EVERYTIME THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SAFER, ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY! ***

They put these "false flags" out there, like races fighting with races, wars with races, they put that FEAR in American's that the government will be the SAVIOR to help us out. Sure they'll help out by loss of our freedoms, for something they've already set up to be the rescuerer. So careful what you ask for, because I'm sure the government already has a plan, but it's not the plan you think..... SOPA for music piracy.....yea right........there's a bigger agenda for SOPA!!1

@LoveShyMike  - You are simply voicing opinions over:
9/11
vaccines
military personal used as guinea pigs today
Killing people in the name of cancer

then you compare it all to:
downloading music illegally

SOPA isn't smoke & mirrors; Anonymous collective was stupid enough to fall for it, and make things worse, and prove regulations are needed.

False flags:
Races fighting with Races - still going on, albeit hidden
No one is a friggin' Savior
No ONE in govt. has a plan.


You're tossing up so many different things, it's fragmented, and disassociated that I can't even follow it, and I can use a recording studio mixer! /white flag/

No one can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt, that 9/11 was done by our government. So, I'm going to drop everything else.
You're setting up multiple arguments, including strawman arguments that just don't hold water.

I do like you, but I can't follow your logic here.  So please - stay on track on this thread, rather than trying to insert all of your agendas, because you just mess with everything, and get us all off the subjects track.
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@Tink....

It's not my agenda. It's their agenda for the NWO. If you don't connect the dots, American's will be enslaved to the government. THAT IS THE AGENDA. To abolish our freedoms.....PERIOD!! Dumb America down thru vaccines. Until my grandson was brain damaged by vaccines, I never connected any dots to the vaccines. The governments agenda is enslaved American's, keep false flags going to keep races fighting with each other, keep our military over fighting useless wars that bring in drugs, launder money thru our corrupt (federal reserve), keep using our military & children for guinea pigs for the vaccine & big pharma industry, bankrupt the middle class, dumb American's down so we're easier to comply, keeping dumping "fluouride" in our water,  TSA groping & strip searching at our airports, keeping the images of everyone in data bases so the TSA (hired sex offenders) can go back & look at naked images our of children, radiation literally frying in the insides of the human body, check points on highways to draw blood to keep your DNA in a data bank, it just goes on & on & on......

If it seemed like it was all slurred together it's because sooooo much is revielved everyday, & it's hard to keep up with how much the NWO is all connected to every aspect of what the government calls..."savior on safety"

Some people cannot be shaken with the true, because American's have been told LIES, LIES, LIES, --WHY WOULD THEY EVEN BOTHER TO TELL AMERICAN'S THE TRUTH OF THEIR AGENDA?

American's have believed all the lies, with no questions asked....
Sorry, if some people can't be reached with the truth, hopefully who's ever reading this won't be affected with a "cancer disease, vaccine damaged military & children, etc......if so, then maybe then you can ask yourself how you believed the LIES FOR SO LONG!! Connecting the dots is so much easier when someone you love has been affected.

If people stop & think ......why was this Michael Jackson death hoax site created????
Because the truth.........of his death..........is the not the truth...........so why so many topics.........because somewhere someone here thought & knew it was connected........& have been lied too.......revealing more lies......see Tink.........this site is no different than the NWO agenda........leaves more questions........than answers...........but connect the dots........sounds like SOPA......... what does that have to do with NWO........Michael Jackson.......government......freedoms..........????? 
Take off the blinders American's..........see it for what it is............not what we want it to be......

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SOPA.......has an agenda........if American's believe it's just pirated music, they will probably have a rude awakening when internet restrictions are like China. Sounds far fetched huh?  Not so.

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And they’ve only just begun. :evil:  This is far reaching, to extents unimaginable.  But no need to shout it to those who don’t believe it.  Action WILL speak louder than words.  SOPA is a monster.
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@hesoutofmylife....

Absolutley....a SOPA MONSTER........but not everyone will wake up to what's the real agenda is. All we can do it put the clues out there. Some people just cannot be reached. I want my alternate media outlets. We as American's need them to know the truth.

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If I could give my full and honest opinion on this it would be too long to write, but I'll do it for the sake of the Internet anyway.

I think that SOPA/PIPA/ACTA are pathetic government organizations against the Internet, in all truth. I don't believe that they want to help working Musicians, Artists or even piracy... What I believe is that they'd like to pocket themselves a little money by destroying 75% of the Internet.
Making bogus laws such as not being able to draw Fanart or make parodies have already been set out globally by ACTA in a treaty, which Ireland and other EU countries have signed.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-57367837-245/anonymous-takes-aim-over-europes-sopa/

It's safe to say that even the Polish parliament aren't standing for it, it's pretty hilarious the tides that come between the Parliament and these bills.
If the EU signing this bill causes anonymous to go on a rampage, maybe they should've thought twice about agreeing to something that will not only destroy the Internet, but let's not forget about Education, Lives and even families.

Remember anyone who uploads copyright to the Internet (Despite there already being over millions of Websites with copyrighted works) will get a jail sentence, so, we're going to be filling up the jails soon.

Either that or Anonymous set fire to the ACTA/SOPA/PIPA Headquarters, lmao.

Also, remember that this website along with many others hold copyrighted content, so you better think twice when you decide to support these people.

Just thought this kinda went with everything I said about these stupid bills.



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http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/27/tech/twitter-deleting-posts/index.html

 :?  Guess they’ve got to start somewhere, huh?


Twitter to delete posts if countries request it
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 3:17 PM EST, Sat January 28, 2012 |

Twitter announced Thursday it will start deleting users' tweets in countries that require it.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Twitter says the move will be on a case-by-case basis
It will still make the tweets visible to the rest of the world
Users will be notified if their tweets are deleted
One observer calls it censorship
(CNN) -- Online social networking site Twitter said Thursday it will begin deleting users' tweets in countries that require it -- but it will still keep those deleted tweets visible to the rest of the world.
The move is significant because, until now, the only way Twitter could comply with countries' limits was to remove the content globally.
Twitter said it will now delete tweets only "reactively" and on a case-by-case basis and will let the affected user know why the content is being withheld.
"We hold freedom of expression in high esteem and work hard not to remove Tweets," Twitter spokeswoman Jodi Olson wrote in an e-mail to CNN.
"And just to be clear, this is not a change in philosophy and there are still countries to which we will not go," she said.
 Twitter to delete posts if countries ask Michelle Obama launches Twitter account
As examples of countries where tweets may have to be restricted, Twitter mentioned Germany and France, which ban pro-Nazi content. Twitter will operate in those countries while censoring pro-Nazi tweets, for example.
But some countries are so restrictive with freedom of expression that Twitter can't exist there at all, the company said.
"One of our core values as a company is to defend and respect each user's voice," Twitter wrote in a blog entry Thursday. "We try to keep content up wherever and whenever we can, and we will be transparent with users when we can't. The Tweets must continue to flow."
But one observer said the move is blatant censorship.
"There's no way around that. But alas, Twitter is not above the law," according to Jillian York, the director for international freedom of expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which defends free speech and privacy online.
York said she acknowledges that Twitter, like other companies hosting user-generated content, has at some point faced a government order or request to take down content.
"Twitter has two options in the event of a request: fail to comply, and risk being blocked by the government in question, or comply (read: censor). And if they have 'boots on the ground,' so to speak, in the country in question? No choice," she wrote.
The company is simply "doing its best in a tough situation," she said.
CNN's Augie Martin contributed to this report.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/27/tech/twitter-deleting-posts/index.html

 :?  Guess they’ve got to start somewhere, huh?


Twitter to delete posts if countries request it
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 3:17 PM EST, Sat January 28, 2012 |

Twitter announced Thursday it will start deleting users' tweets in countries that require it.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Twitter says the move will be on a case-by-case basis
It will still make the tweets visible to the rest of the world
Users will be notified if their tweets are deleted
One observer calls it censorship
(CNN) -- Online social networking site Twitter said Thursday it will begin deleting users' tweets in countries that require it -- but it will still keep those deleted tweets visible to the rest of the world.
The move is significant because, until now, the only way Twitter could comply with countries' limits was to remove the content globally.
Twitter said it will now delete tweets only "reactively" and on a case-by-case basis and will let the affected user know why the content is being withheld.
"We hold freedom of expression in high esteem and work hard not to remove Tweets," Twitter spokeswoman Jodi Olson wrote in an e-mail to CNN.
"And just to be clear, this is not a change in philosophy and there are still countries to which we will not go," she said.
 Twitter to delete posts if countries ask Michelle Obama launches Twitter account
As examples of countries where tweets may have to be restricted, Twitter mentioned Germany and France, which ban pro-Nazi content. Twitter will operate in those countries while censoring pro-Nazi tweets, for example.
But some countries are so restrictive with freedom of expression that Twitter can't exist there at all, the company said.
"One of our core values as a company is to defend and respect each user's voice," Twitter wrote in a blog entry Thursday. "We try to keep content up wherever and whenever we can, and we will be transparent with users when we can't. The Tweets must continue to flow."
But one observer said the move is blatant censorship.
"There's no way around that. But alas, Twitter is not above the law," according to Jillian York, the director for international freedom of expression at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which defends free speech and privacy online.
York said she acknowledges that Twitter, like other companies hosting user-generated content, has at some point faced a government order or request to take down content.
"Twitter has two options in the event of a request: fail to comply, and risk being blocked by the government in question, or comply (read: censor). And if they have 'boots on the ground,' so to speak, in the country in question? No choice," she wrote.
The company is simply "doing its best in a tough situation," she said.
CNN's Augie Martin contributed to this report.

(Facepalm)
How much lower will they go? It's the Internet, I think they need to seriously get over themselves.
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@Tink....

It's not my agenda. It's their agenda for the NWO. If you don't connect the dots, American's will be enslaved to the government. THAT IS THE AGENDA. To abolish our freedoms.....PERIOD!! Dumb America down thru vaccines. Until my grandson was brain damaged by vaccines, I never connected any dots to the vaccines. The governments agenda is enslaved American's, keep false flags going to keep races fighting with each other, keep our military over fighting useless wars that bring in drugs, launder money thru our corrupt (federal reserve), keep using our military & children for guinea pigs for the vaccine & big pharma industry, bankrupt the middle class, dumb American's down so we're easier to comply, keeping dumping "fluouride" in our water,  TSA groping & strip searching at our airports, keeping the images of everyone in data bases so the TSA (hired sex offenders) can go back & look at naked images our of children, radiation literally frying in the insides of the human body, check points on highways to draw blood to keep your DNA in a data bank, it just goes on & on & on......

If it seemed like it was all slurred together it's because sooooo much is revielved everyday, & it's hard to keep up with how much the NWO is all connected to every aspect of what the government calls..."savior on safety"

Some people cannot be shaken with the true, because American's have been told LIES, LIES, LIES, --WHY WOULD THEY EVEN BOTHER TO TELL AMERICAN'S THE TRUTH OF THEIR AGENDA?

American's have believed all the lies, with no questions asked....
Sorry, if some people can't be reached with the truth, hopefully who's ever reading this won't be affected with a "cancer disease, vaccine damaged military & children, etc......if so, then maybe then you can ask yourself how you believed the LIES FOR SO LONG!! Connecting the dots is so much easier when someone you love has been affected.

If people stop & think ......why was this Michael Jackson death hoax site created????
Because the truth.........of his death..........is the not the truth...........so why so many topics.........because somewhere someone here thought & knew it was connected........& have been lied too.......revealing more lies......see Tink.........this site is no different than the NWO agenda........leaves more questions........than answers...........but connect the dots........sounds like SOPA......... what does that have to do with NWO........Michael Jackson.......government......freedoms..........????? 
Take off the blinders American's..........see it for what it is............not what we want it to be......

I wish I could believe you - but I can't. Autism is HEREDITARY. I have adopted siblings I raised, to prove it (their mom had it). Out of my entire HUGE family, no one else got it, and we ALL got our shots. Those who've gotten their shots? They don't suffer the way I do - the way I shall, with shingles, when I get old and grey. I'll need the shingle shot, because that's also incredibly painful, for my friends who had the measles (as did I), but many already have Shingles!

I've seen vaccines do wonders, and my flu shots have cut my infection time from 1 - 2 months, down to a sniffle. Just amazing! I missed last year, and was sick Thanksgiving through January.

I've only personally have felt good, experienced good, with shots. Any kids of mine will get them, as do my pets.

Believing TSA are hired sex offenders, that's unbelievable! They get finger printed out here, and get their records ran! Any prison records, and they're GONE before they have a chance to go live!

The internet is so FULL OF LIES, I see how Michael's able to pull off a major hoax. Just lay low, let people bullshit and lie!

Please don't believe everything you hear. There's no NWO waiting to take over America - that's Orson Wellian, left over from Science Fiction writers, paranoia bubbling up.

Fear drives bizarre things - until you let it go. Sometimes, you just need to look at the logic.

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@Tink
The NWO clearly exists. There is plenty of threads on this site that deals with the NWO. There is an agenda. It will be followed out, if American's don't stand up for their god given rights of freedom. De-population of the world thru vaccines, GMO, MSG, flouride, big pharma dumbing everyone down thru their "medication", of legal drugs, brain washing American's thru main stream media, false flag attacks on our freedoms & blame it on another race, the list goes on & on & on.
For years the mainstream media has denied a NWO even exists, but lately even Fox News, ( which is bought & paid for by global government) has admitted it exists. Global Elites don't care who knows now because they feel they are unstoppable. Laughing in our faces, when TSA sexually molests your 5 year old son/daughter, right in front of your eyes, in the name of "terriorist safety".  Please........clearly sickening.
As long as American's keep allowing our freedoms of humanity to slowing slip away, the elite scum bags have won. Deception of every level...............PURE EVIL, THE SCUM MAGGOTS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY INTO WW3. We've all been warned. As crazy as some of this sounds, it's reality. American's cannot continue to see their "reality" thru rose colored glasses. Just remember American's.....WE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!...Please take the warning & protect your next generation from the mind control freaks running the NWO. American's have to remember that the Elite Globalists running the NWO aren't "normal" human beings. They think of US, as the enemy, we are scum not worthy of being in their world. So dumbing US down, makes US more compliant.

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Fear is not real. It's a emotion that is made up in the mind. Therefore it is nothing.....
When you fear, you CANNOT love.......

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Here's just a few articles on the TSA.

TSA: An Army of Pervs and Criminals
Infowars.com
April 24, 2011

Thomas Gordon Jr. of Philadelphia, a TSA “screener,” was arrested on March 24 and charged with distributing more than 100 images of child pornography via Facebook. He allegedly uploaded explicit pictures of young girls and also is said to have posted a photograph of himself in his TSA uniform, Fox News reported on Saturday. Gordon was arrested by Homeland Security and is being held without bail
Federal agents also note Gordon routinely searched airline passengers, despite the fact the searches are unconstitutional and illegal. A growing number of district attorneys around the country have indicated they may charge TSA employees with sexual assault.

The Drudge Report linked the story and it was reported by Fox News, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and a handful of other news sites, but was virtually ignored by the larger corporate media.

Ryan Hamilton Jr., writing for Gather, says it is “very shocking that the TSA hasn’t alerted the public about these infractions…. This shocking news has come out as the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) tries to figure out what to do about incidents such as these.”

In fact, instances of sexual perversion and criminal activity on the part of TSA employees is becoming routine.

In February of 2010, another TSA employee, Charles Bennett of Winter Garden, Florida, was arrested and charged with molestation of a minor after police say he tried to keep a 15 year old girl as a sex slave. On his MySpace page, Bennett called himself “Master Charles” and said he was into submissive females and claimed he is a master of bondage dominance sadism and masochism.

Sean Shanahan, a TSA worker at Logan International airport, was arrested last year after he allegedly sent sexually explicit text messages to a 14 year old girl. The inappropriate contact escalated and Shanahan had physical sexual contact with the girl at his home in February over school break, according to news reports.

In October, it was reported that an Amarillo, Texas, woman filed a lawsuit against the federal government after TSA agents allegedly humiliated her by publicly exposing her breasts during an “extended search” at an airport in Corpus Christi. The suit also claims that other TSA employees continued to joke and laugh about the incident for an extended period of time. The woman filed an administrative claim against the TSA, but the agency never responded, thus prompting her lawsuit.

In addition to sexual perverts, the TSA hires violent psychopaths. Earlier this year, an Indianapolis TSA employee was arrested after he put a man in headlock and punched him six times in the face during a parking dispute.

TSA agents have bragged about the power they wield over the public. In January of 2010, a TSA agent in Los Angeles proclaimed “I am god, I’m in charge.” The agent was arrested after making the delusional claim, according to reports.

Violent TSA agents have also attacked each other. In May, 2010, a Miami TSA agent attacked a colleague who repeatedly made fun of his small penis after the security screener walked through a radiation emitting naked body scanner that showed his genitalia, according to Miami-Dade police.

The TSA has a habit of hiring not only sexual perverts and violent psychopaths, but other assorted criminals as well. In February, two TSA employees were arrested for stealing around $40,000 in cash from a bag that was checked through a security line at John F. Kennedy Airport.

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The agency admits that over the last three years alone there have been 12 similar cases of thefts involving the removal of valuables and/or cash from baggage.

A few days before this case, a Newark TSA agent pleaded guilty to accepting bribes and kickbacks from a colleague who regularly stole money from passengers during sexual molestation pat-downs.

In Detroit, a TSA agent was arrested for participating in a series of fast food restaurant robberies. Quantrez Rapheal Sawyer was employed as a “passenger screener/security officer,” according to a news report.

In response to repeated instances of criminal behavior and sexual perversion on the part of its employees, the TSA claims it conducts significant background checks, including criminal history, before candidates are offered a job with the government.

A number of states are considering legislation to control the TSA. In November of 2010, chief deputy DA and incoming DA of San Mateo County Steve Wagstaffe told the Alex Jones Show his office will prosecute TSA employees who engage in lewd and lascivious behavior while conducting pat-downs at the San Francisco International Airport. Wagstaffe told Alex Jones that county police will be sent into the San Francisco International Airport. If they witness TSA employees engaged in criminal conduct, they will make arrests and the DA’s office will prosecute.

It should come as no surprise the TSA has such a large number of violent criminals and sexual perverts on staff. Government agencies assigned to police state roles invariably attract violent and pathological scum. It can be argued the government in fact specifically recruits violent people.

Lenin and later Stalin’s secret police recruited thugs and psychopaths to terrorize, torture, and murder anybody who resisted the state. Early Bolshevik Victor Serge described the process in his book, Memoirs of a Revolutionary.

Mao unleashed violent and murderous members of the Red Guard – mostly students and other ideologically brainwashed young people – on the public at large during the so-called Cultural Revolution.

Hitler’s SS recruited from the violent Freikorps, specifically the Marinebrigade Ehrhardt, a handpicked selection of street fighting thugs. The Nazis envisioned a legion of SS-Lords to rule over subjects of the Lebensraum, or land captured by the German army for the expansion of the racist Third Reich.

Police states invariably rely on criminals and violent thugs to intimidate the public. The TSA, of course, is not largely comprised of sadistic minions, but bureaucrats and low-level employees looking for a steady paycheck. The same can more or less be said for the Soviet era police and many ranking members of Hitler’s SS.

However, it does take a certain kind of individual to perform non-stop pat-downs that are nearly indistinguishable from sexual molestation. It should come as no surprise a large percentage of them run afoul of the law or end up accused of sex crimes.


TSA Gives Rapists And Illegals The Green Light While Groping Children
         

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
November 10, 2010

While the TSA hires rapists to grope and fondle little girls, women, and the physically disabled in the name of security, it gives the green light to illegal aliens to fly planes and work at US airports, emphasizing once again that invasive “pat down” procedures have nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with treating the American people with less respect than farmyard animals.

As USA Today reported, despite the TSA’s outright lie that the new measures do not constitute groping or even squeezing, “The searches require screeners to touch passengers’ breasts and genitals.”

And just to make you more comfortable with the idea of low grade morons who could barely get toilet cleaning jobs touching up your wife or daughter, it now emerges that the TSA’s background check for their own employees is somewhat less stringent than the harassment travelers are faced with every time they go through airport security.

As AirSafe News reports, “The current system of background checks may have allowed those convicted of rape and other sexually based offenses to join TSA.”

Indeed, back in March it emerged that TSA worker Sean Shanahan, who was employed at Boston Logan International Airport to pat down passengers, had been charged with multiple child sex crimes targeting an underage girl.

Given the fact that the TSA’s new policy allows workers to fondle breasts and genitals, expect a flood of sex perverts and rapists to eagerly sign up.

But it gets worse – not only is the TSA employing pedophiles to grope your kids, the agency is giving the green light to illegal aliens to work in airport cargo security and also to fly planes.

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The same background check that allowed rapists to slip through the net also enabled illegal immigrants from Central America and Mexico to work in security at Stewart International Airport, a 2,400-acre facility located about 60 miles north of New York City.

Noting that the fiasco was “par for the course for the TSA,” Judicial Watch reported that “The illegal aliens all had security badges approved by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the agency created after the 2001 terrorist attacks mainly to protect airlines. The TSA’s national background check failed to detect the fake Social Security numbers and other bogus documents provided by the illegal immigrants to obtain clearance.”

Just this week Judicial Watch also reported on how the TSA approved flight training for illegal aliens.

“At a flight school in Stow, a rural community about 25 miles west of Boston, more than 30 illegal aliens were cleared by the TSA to train as pilots. This week three of them said they came to the U.S. from Brazil legally but their visas expired, just like several of the 9/11 hijackers. Each man provided official TSA documents approving pilot lessons through the agency’s alien flight student program. The Brazilians assure the agency never asked them about their immigration status.”

The TSA’s claim that it is sexually molesting Americans in the name of security is proven completely fraudulent given the fact that the agency concurrently opens the door for illegal aliens to access sensitive areas of airports while training them how to fly airliners.

As a result of its newly introduced policies that are tantamount to sexual molestation, the TSA has a public relations nightmare on its hands, with multiple prominent travel and pilot associations leading the backlash against invasive “pat down” measures as well as dangerous radiation body scanners.

Two more bodies came out just today to join forces with the growing resistance against airport oppression, with the Association of Flight Attendants and US Airline Pilots Association now becoming part of the boycott against naked body scanners.

The TSA faces insurmountable opposition and must immediately reconsider and drastically scale back its draconian checkpoint measures. The fact that the agency gives the green light to illegal aliens to fly planes while insisting it must grope little girls and physically disabled people in the name of security underscores the fact that the primary purpose of the procedure has nothing to do with stopping terrorists and is designed to humiliate and degrade innocent Americans and train them to accept tyranny.

As case after case of TSA abuse emerges following the Drudge Report’s prominent focus on the issue, another incident came to light where a young woman was handcuffed to a chair, yelled at and had her flight ticket ripped up by TSA thugs who then summoned 12 local Miami police, all because the woman had merely asked what the TSA were planning to do to her after she refused a naked body scan.


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Oh, it's Alex Jones who owns Infowars - conspiracy theorist. Means I must go over everything out of their mouth with a fine tooth comb, to search for lies ***sigh***.

As for Media? I quit watching American News a long time ago. I watch BBC, Aljazeera first, then local.

The summer of 2009, I donated my tv. I watch only what I choose now, and then I go back through and double check what seems plausible.

As for going through the airport: women screen women/girls/children, from my knowledge. I'll investigate - I tend to not be spoonfed, by Media.

GOP is worse than the Dems - wait, they got everything into a pickle, with 9/11 happening under their watch. We almost couldn't pry the Whitehouse out from their knuckles! Moderates from both sides are needed, so we can go forward!

If this is such big news, why isnt it all over the news and the newspapers?

That's what I'm wondering. Was this a joke on us here, to see if we actually look things up? I'm sorry - I just don't have time to look everything up all the time. I didn't see it anywhere else.
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The mainstream media is bought & paid for by the global elite. Of course your not going to hear the truth on any local or mainstream media news. The journalist that call themselves journalists, are only told to read what is given to them. They are not allowed to have an opinion. They are there to report what is given to them. Why do you think the government wants to control the internet? They don't want American's finding out the truth. They want you to listen to their lies. Any news that Alex Jones supplies is 100% of what people don't want to believe as the truth. I find it ironic, that anyone on this site will dig as far as they can, spend hours & hours of finding clues to Michael's videos', speeches, repeat his quotes, believe everything that came from him, but when presented with links, sites, "don't have time to look it up:, because you don't think it affects you. This NWO/Illumanti will have the greatest impact on humanity. infowars.com , prisonplanet.com has links to ALL GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS, IN THEIR OWN WORDS, of what the agenda is...These aren't Alex Jones documents, these are GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS!! don't believe me or Alex Jones, research those government sites, it's there. They are not hiding it. That's what mind boggling. It"s there for people to see.......but no one has time for the truth on humanity.

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What just because you  don't see anywhere else, it must not be true........? really????
ask yourself...........what are they hiding, that I'm not seeing it...??? why aren't these stories being splashed all over the mainstream media???  why??????? the stories exist, but no coverage of mainstream media...why???

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I only like ANON when they do it to people that deserve it (like in Leverage) , but I think they are getting a bit too carried away (not specifically this though).
Do you give up yet?

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I only like ANON when they do it to people that deserve it (like in Leverage) , but I think they are getting a bit too carried away (not specifically this though).

With arrests from last year, definitely. They enjoy tempting fate.

What just because you  don't see anywhere else, it must not be true........? really????
ask yourself...........what are they hiding, that I'm not seeing it...??? why aren't these stories being splashed all over the mainstream media???  why??????? the stories exist, but no coverage of mainstream media...why???

I'm saying, that one link doesn't make it real!

Plus, Alex Jones is a TALK SHOW HOST, just like Howard Stern, and Rush Limbaugh!

AJ is all about ze money, honey: http://www.alexjonesmachine.com/round2.htm

He's been caught by his own petard, by the Bohemian Grove, of which he'd been invited to.

AJ was peddling generators, just before 2000.
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A directed counter-revolution is known as a war strategy since thousands of years.
It's only means and disguise of the trojan horse (jockey)s that differ over time.
Bred and games keep the ants at bay and a "win-win" situation alive.
Edutainment is a chance but most often just part of the games.
"Revelation of mysteries and conspiracies" belongs to edutainment.
Mind those without the big applause because big applause derives from main stream and main stream is... right.
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A directed counter-revolution is known as a war strategy since thousands of years.
It's only means and disguise of the trojan horse (jockey)s that differ over time.
Bred and games keep the ants at bay and a "win-win" situation alive.
Edutainment is a chance but most often just part of the games.
"Revelation of mysteries and conspiracies" belongs to edutainment.
Mind those without the big applause because big applause derives from main stream and main stream is... right.

What you say, reminds me of Helen of Troy, and of course, the Trojan Horse.

Wouldn't the world be such a better place, if it wasn't full of greedy people? Guess I failed that part of the test.
Tried to be a phone salesperson as a teenager, but my conscience got the better of me.

I know I'm well off, not wealthy. But when I sleep, I can sleep okay.
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Thanks for the link Tink..........
Nothing suprises me of the lengths they go to demonize Alex Jones for supporting humanity. I'm not swayed but any web site that does that to him. He speaks the truth, which most American's can't & will not wrap their head around it. Oh well. American's have been warned. Maybe if Michael Jackson came back & supported Alex Jones & Ron Paul, well of course he would be believed that the NWO exists. Which I'm pretty sure Michael has voiced his opinions on the agenda of the NWO, but Michael didn't say....NEW WORLD ORDER. That's exactly what Michael was saying, he just didn't say the "words"... Look back on NWO threads, mind control, that's all the agenda of the NWO. Exactly what Alex Jones & Ron Paul are trying to warn people & expose. So what's the difference who speaks the truth, as long as it's the truth.

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A directed counter-revolution is known as a war strategy since thousands of years.
It's only means and disguise of the trojan horse (jockey)s that differ over time.
Bred and games keep the ants at bay and a "win-win" situation alive.
Edutainment is a chance but most often just part of the games.
"Revelation of mysteries and conspiracies" belongs to edutainment.
Mind those without the big applause because big applause derives from main stream and main stream is... right.

What you say, reminds me of Helen of Troy, and of course, the Trojan Horse.

Wouldn't the world be such a better place, if it wasn't full of greedy people? Guess I failed that part of the test.
Tried to be a phone salesperson as a teenager, but my conscience got the better of me.

I know I'm well off, not wealthy. But when I sleep, I can sleep okay.

I bet greedy corrupt people don't even think about bad sleep or nightmares.
The founder of PIP, a french company having sold potentially dangerous breast implants filled with cheap industrial silicone not meant and certified for human bodies, Jean-Claude Mas, was said to have stated his activities had been a "business opportunity".

Edutainment (including conspiracies "what really happened - all insights and mysteries solved in a nutshell") is a well-prepared field for falsifying facts and common knowledge. The executors are doing it with a smile of "it's superficial, not everything's correct but it's fun and that's all that matters, right?"
As always: follow the money trail.
That's where truth comes into light.
Never stop questioning and thinking for yourself.
"HiStory for everybody / dummies" should always ring alarm bells.
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A directed counter-revolution is known as a war strategy since thousands of years.
It's only means and disguise of the trojan horse (jockey)s that differ over time.
Bred and games keep the ants at bay and a "win-win" situation alive.
Edutainment is a chance but most often just part of the games.
"Revelation of mysteries and conspiracies" belongs to edutainment.
Mind those without the big applause because big applause derives from main stream and main stream is... right.

What you say, reminds me of Helen of Troy, and of course, the Trojan Horse.

Wouldn't the world be such a better place, if it wasn't full of greedy people? Guess I failed that part of the test.
Tried to be a phone salesperson as a teenager, but my conscience got the better of me.

I know I'm well off, not wealthy. But when I sleep, I can sleep okay.

I bet greedy corrupt people don't even think about bad sleep or nightmares.
The founder of PIP, a french company having sold potentially dangerous breast implants filled with cheap industrial silicone not meant and certified for human bodies, Jean-Claude Mas, was said to have stated his activities had been a "business opportunity".

Edutainment (including conspiracies "what really happened - all insights and mysteries solved in a nutshell") is a well-prepared field for falsifying facts and common knowledge. The executors are doing it with a smile of "it's superficial, not everything's correct but it's fun and that's all that matters, right?"
As always: follow the money trail.
That's where truth comes into light.
Never stop questioning and thinking for yourself.
"HiStory for everybody / dummies" should always ring alarm bells.

Bravo, Grace! Edutainment makes me quite ill. I saw a woman, who was getting the mammograms with me. She showed me what's so bad about the silicone implants (I didn't think to ask if they're the French ones) - she was able to simply pull on her skin, and THREADS just came out, where every she pulled, like spider silk!  errrr She kept pulling, and piled it into her hands, showing everyone. She, and another woman were rushed to the hospital by ambulance!   :'( Susan Gorman Foundation is fabulous! Anyway, I've seen too much already.

As for me: any talk radio host who's goal is to make money off his listeners, is on my crummy list. He literally drives people into a frenzy of fear, and I'd pity him - if he wasn't making MILLIONS off his listeners.


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The big difference between Alex Jones & Ron Paul........they raise their donations from support of listeners that are exposing the truth, & they support that...

But hey the traditional support of our local government..........STEAL IT FROM US!! Obama's whole campaign funded by corrupt bankers running our country. Oh yea, that would be Federal Reserve.

Ron Paul is the first canidate EVER to be supported by our military. Our military have woke up. They know they are supporting "false wars". They sick of it.

Oh, & Alex Jones gets so bent out of shape, with rants & raves is because he's been studying the elite global scum bags & knows how they are taking down the country. He's sick of it. He knows the agenda. He wants people to start using their god given sense of common sense. I feel for him, because when I see it my own area, police control, etc... it pisses me off too. I actually love it when he gets like that, because he's human & he loves his freedom, so getting pissed it good. I don't see any other "talk show host" acting like that....why???? because they can't.... MSNBC, FOX, ETC.... all bought & paid for by global scum.

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Just step over the news that Anonymous hack into CIA  data - did someonelse see that info??
Cant paste article via phone web-/

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Just step over the news that Anonymous hack into CIA  data - did someonelse see that info??
Cant paste article via phone web-/

Does anyone else find this a bit odd?  A disparate group of hackers can infiltrate the CIA and GET IT PUBLISHED?  Wouldn't the CIA at least be able to keep it quiet?  I support Anonymous, but I think their story is a lie used to reveal the truth.  Sound familiar?

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David Icke and Alex Jones are not to be trusted.
Do the research and digg deep.

Evil uses truth with small lies and the small lies twist everything. Just as with Oprah, when will people learn :(

But I went through that road a while back so everyone have their time and road to travel :)

I like Ron Paul but I do not trust in the system.
People should stop voting. Whoever comes next as president will become worse then those before him.
Just wait and see...

Always keep this in mind:
- Those who creates the problem are also those who offer a solution and are also those who solve the problem -
They give what the people wants which is actually what they themselves want.
You want to get rid of the banking system, so u might get but in return there might be one world currency and currency only excisting in digital form. = NWO...

Those in control will always be in control for as long as we play their game.
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David Icke and Alex Jones are not to be trusted.
Do the research and digg deep.

Evil uses truth with small lies and the small lies twist everything. Just as with Oprah, when will people learn :(

But I went through that road a while back so everyone have their time and road to travel :)

I like Ron Paul but I do not trust in the system.
People should stop voting. Whoever comes next as president will become worse then those before him.
Just wait and see...

Always keep this in mind:
- Those who creates the problem are also those who offer a solution and are also those who solve the problem -
They give what the people wants which is actually what they themselves want.
You want to get rid of the banking system, so u might get but in return there might be one world currency and currency only excisting in digital form. = NWO...

Those in control will always be in control for as long as we play their game.

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Anyone who is associated with Alex Jones, is there for the truth for freedoms & humanity. The elites are running scared because they know Alex is waking them up. Anything that Alex has ever said about what's coming ahead, how NWO is destroying our country, has been true. I look no where else for the truth. I've looked at videos of people trying to demonize him.  All I see is Alex ranting & raving, & they are taking bits & pieces of his rants & raves, & because Alex always refers to the scum bags as he's them, he imitates them. If people think he's actually "them", the ones destroying the country, you should really look at the videos of the whole broadcast. Not just people takinig tibits of one & cuttting & pasting them together.

I've see videos I know I watched Alex Live on that broadcast.
Someone that thinks he's the "bad one", put together a video of Alex ranting & raving, since he gets so pissed at why people can't see the corruption. And what I see is a bunch of Alex making comments about NWO, all smashed together.

I think, wait.....that doesn't even go with that . That was another broadcast of Alex....
Then I say......ok......I see what they doing.......make it looks like Alex is a liar.

I know the truth, & learning more everyday.....
Just hope others will wake up.

It's funny how I see some people, believe that NWO exists in their posts, but then say "don't trust alex or dave icke" when they are some of many exposing the NWO....kind of baffles me.

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@magic loves 4u

I little baffled by your response.

you say don't trust alex jones or dave icke.

you say the next president will be worse than the one we got.

you say the NWO, all exactly what alex jones & dave icke have been exposing. Your words are almost exact to what Alex says daily on his broadcast.

But not to trust Alex or Dave? But believe what you believe on the NWO? where did you get your information on the NWO agenda?

Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Mike Adams, Dave Icke, Gerald Celente, among more.....all exposing exactly what you wrote, but you say you don't trust them?

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Breaking news today:

The European Court protects providers and users from control and strengthens liberty in the internet.



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EU court: Web sites need not check for IP breaches
Feb. 16, 2012, 8:40 a.m. EST AP   
BRUSSELS (AP) — A European Union court ruled Thursday that social networking sites cannot be compelled to install general filters to prevent the illegal trading of music and other copyrighted material.
The decision is a victory for operators of social networking sites in the EU, but a setback for those who seek to protect copyrighted material from being distributed without payment or permission.
It also comes as protests are growing in Europe against ACTA, the proposed international Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which is meant to protect intellectual property rights.
In Thursday's decision, the EU Court of Justice, which is based in Luxembourg, ruled that requiring general filters that would cover all the site's users would not sufficiently protect personal data or the freedom to receive and impart information.
SABAM, a Belgian company that represents authors, composers and music publishers, filed the lawsuit leading to Thursday's ruling. In it, the company objected to the practices of Netlog NV, a social networking site, saying users' profiles allowed protected works to be shared illegally.
Michael Gardner, head of the intellectual property practice at London law firm Wedlake Bell, called the ruling a further blow to copyright owners because it appears to rule out forcing operators of social network sites and Internet service providers — at their own expense — to impose blanket monitoring and filtering aimed at stopping infringements.
In November, SABAM lost a separate case in which it sought to require Internet service providers to install filters that would prevent the illegal downloading of files.
Gardner said the ruling would not stop copyright owners from seeking more limited injunctions against social networking sites or Internet service providers, but he said the injunctions would have to be more "proportionate" in scope and effect.
"Under EU law, there has to be a balance between the interests of copyright owners and the rights of privacy and freedom of expression," he said. "So far, the courts seem to have rejected the draconian solutions urged on them by the rights owners."
Mark Owen, head of the intellectual property practice at London law firm Harbottle & Lewis, said the new ruling shows how difficult it can be to protect intellectual property.
"As clouds continue to gather around Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and other attempts to control online use of copyright works, today's ruling from the European Court provides a useful illustration of the practical challenges enforcement poses," Owen said.
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http://www.masslive.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/eu-court-web-sites-need-not-check/da2c270ccd5645608767e8335b128380

This is the European Court's decision (official document):
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=119512&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=182685
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Hackers steal, under false pretenses.

Jones & Icke simply want what's in your wallet. They're full out predators. They've taken Science fiction to an entirely whole new level.
See, they don't believe that people read books anymore - I have books, and I know they're bloody damn liars. BUT - PARANOIA SELLS!
I'm sure they both studied psychology, and know how to get under people's skin, and then twist the proverbial knife.

There's no elite; no Illuminati. But what there is: people who are smart with their money, and good at convincing others what to do.

I've studied all this crap since I've been a teenager, and it doesn't matter who, or what you believe.
The world will be here tomorrow. As a child in the late 60s, I did the NUKE drills, hiding under desks once a month. Waiting for the day
to come - the day that never came!

FEAR sells, and FEAR is stupid. I toss the FEAR pie away, along with it's Satanic overtones, Illuminati crust, and Elitist filling.

Pie is pie.
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I like how our government lies to us everyday, they steal our money, kill our military, brain damage our children, going to abolish the constution, take away Bill of Rights, & hey it's ok....well it's NOT OK WITH ME.

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@LoveShyMichael - If you feel so strongly something's messed up with the government, DO something! Write to your congress representatives, be relentless!
VOTE! Be passionate, go to meetings on your local level. BE HEARD, don't be shut down! Just don't present NWO stuff, or you'll get laughed at.

No one wants the Constitution abolished - trust me on that one. Controlling terrorism is what's wanted, and finding ways to prevent it, is key.
Thus far - there's no scientific proof that they've brain-damaged any children. But if you want to go down that rabbit-hole, then don't stop/
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@Tink

I do what I can in my area. But word of mouth is the also the key. This site is great for spreading the "truth & lies". This isn't just about Michael Jackson being the guy who made the difference. He also had help on his issues too.

All we all know even on this site, is that Michael Jackson hoaxed his death, other people could care less about Michael Jackson, as far as they are concerned the mainstream media pronounced him dead. End of story. Accept what your told. Move On.

We all know something wasn't making sense in Michael's death & with all that's been exposed on other levels.

If this site has helped anyone comes to terms with what ever issues have been posted, then this site is successful.

I do what I can to inform people of the truth & forget the lies you've been told. Even though it's seems like the most far fetchd truth, it is what it is...........truth!

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@Tink

There is a "vaccine damage payout" fund already established that the government established. It's reality. If they really told you that vaccine damage, they would lose the grip to create pandemics. I have a grandson who has been clearly damaged by them. If people choose to keep getting them, it's their choice. I choose not to believe the lies anymore. But history shows the destruction.

As for being laughed at for the NWO.

These are what I say to those people........

You laugh at me because you say I'm different...........

I laugh as you because your all the same.............


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i have my viewpoints on NWO. those who know me know my view...
i just want to say no one here should say what is and what is not true, as no one definiteively knows all.

to say something does or doesnt exist is not an educated statement, because there is much that the gov hides from us.

whether that be illuminati /NWO or simply the illusion of illuminati / NWO to create fear and keep control, we dont know.

hypothosies, hypertheticals, possible scanarios, ideas, etc are one thing. but to say without doubt that something does
or doesnt exist, is foolish, regardless of which side you believe...

as we are all in the dark, regardless of what version we believe or do not believe. therefore just as educated (or non educated
about the truth) as a believer who believes the opposite of us, re: illuminati and NWO

WE ARE ALL IN DARKNESS!!!!

In conclusion, praise Jah, and may god bring a speedy end to this corrupt system!
People laugh when I explain. And though they may laugh, that doesn't change the fact that it's still the truth.


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Riddle me this: What if your friends are in wealthy family lines, and others are scientists working hard to help the world -
but all of them get bashed by those who feel powerless over their own lives!? These are good people, who all work hard.

See, when the shoes on the other foot, things look different.

FYI - my bf has a horrid flu, and I've been healthy as can be. I've even teased him, when he walked out, paranoid about the shot from
the doctor's office last month. Now, he's been paying for it, for days!! I've been running errands, just felt sleepy for a day.

Everything needs to be put into perspective. As far as I can see? The "Illuminati" is all self-referential online, only going back 4 years.
All the reference material, refers to itself! Offline, in books going back for a few centuries, they just don't exist, except in the 1970s as a trilogy called Illuminatus,
or as a card game by Steve Jackson games called Illuminati.

NWO was seen as a GOOD thing, as the shape of things to come, after WW2! How countries would work together, instead of fighting! I see nothing wrong
with the concept, the way it was thought of.

But calling people "sheeple" just because they don't agree with you, or tossing artistic posters of Bill Gates with syringes is well, just SILLY.
Give me HARD evidence, and stop saying people are being paid off.

Stop saying Queen Elizabeth is a bloody damn Lizard, and so is the rest of her ilk, and I might listen. but when you toss everything into a blender,
it well - sounds impossible, which sounds improbable. In science class, we were taught that the easiest explanation was the most likely.

Making fun of people who don't believe like you do, is what bullies do. When everyone can sit down, present actual evidence? Then I'll listen.
But as far as I'm concerned - there's an awful lot of  respect/ that needs to be shown.
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Everything needs to be put into perspective. As far as I can see? The "Illuminati" is all self-referential online, only going back 4 years.
All the reference material, refers to itself! Offline, in books going back for a few centuries, they just don't exist, except in the 1970s as a trilogy called Illuminatus,
or as a card game by Steve Jackson games called Illuminati.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions on the 'Illuminati' but to suggest that the only online material on them is 'self-referential' and 'only going back 4 years'...or that they don't exist in books offline, is highly inaccurate.  There is plenty of 'material' out there dating back a couple centuries (both on- and offline) that account for the historical beginnings of this particular group of people....founded by Adam Weishaupt in 1776 (who BTW first joined the Freemasons, which were already in existence).  A quick google search alone brings up plenty of references (again dating back over 2 centuries) from people who were not in the 'group'.  Wiki alone has a list of such material...most of which is in German (but I have seen translations, or anyone interested can use an online translator)....written in the latter part of the 1700's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt).  Of course, there is plenty of current writings on the 'Illuminati' and yes, IMO some of it is far-fetched...but not all. 

NWO was seen as a GOOD thing, as the shape of things to come, after WW2! How countries would work together, instead of fighting! I see nothing wrong
with the concept, the way it was thought of.

Whether or not the NWO is/was seen as a good thing, is a matter of opinion....but to say that it was seen as a GOOD thing, only accounts for half of the equation.  Of course, there are/were those who did see it as a good thing but also plenty who do/did not.  Also, the 'concept' of a NWO predates WW2 by a couple centuries.  Here's a blurb (also on the Wiki page above) about a gentleman named John Robison:

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John Robison, a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and a member of a Freemason Lodge there, said he had been asked to join the Illuminati. After consideration he concluded that the Illuminati were not for him. In 1798 he published a book called Proofs of a Conspiracy in which he wrote: "An association has been formed for the express purposes of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all existing governments ... the leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."

I have read Robison's book (here's a pdf of it for anyone interested http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/pc.pdf)...and it's an interesting read.  It is HIS perspective, based on HIS experience(s)....therefore, I am not suggesting that everything in it is 'fact'...however, it is an example of 'material' that is not 'self-referential' and that has been around much longer than 4 years.  Based on my research, that one quote of his above....pretty much sums up IMO, the world as it is today...with only a handful controlling the world.  Whether one wants to call them the 'Illuminati' or TPTB or whatever...is besides the point.  'They' do exist and their power, influence, and intentions are visible (and extensively documented) to anyone who follows the almighty dollar.

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i have my viewpoints on NWO. those who know me know my view...
i just want to say no one here should say what is and what is not true, as no one definiteively knows all.

to say something does or doesnt exist is not an educated statement, because there is much that the gov hides from us.

whether that be illuminati /NWO or simply the illusion of illuminati / NWO to create fear and keep control, we dont know.

hypothosies, hypertheticals, possible scanarios, ideas, etc are one thing. but to say without doubt that something does
or doesnt exist, is foolish, regardless of which side you believe...

as we are all in the dark, regardless of what version we believe or do not believe. therefore just as educated (or non educated
about the truth) as a believer who believes the opposite of us, re: illuminati and NWO

WE ARE ALL IN DARKNESS!!!!

In conclusion, praise Jah, and may god bring a speedy end to this corrupt system!

Well said  bearhug
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@LoveShyMichael & BTC , I like how you think ! ;)

And I, Sim, LOVE how you think  ;)

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Speaking of 'Anonymous'...Paris had this pic posted about an hour ago as her profile pic on twitter.  She's since changed it...but there are some tweets that still show up with the pic.



Interesting...

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^^ Thanks for the info @BTC! so interesting!!
I wonder WHO really is nehind Anonymous!! smiley_spider

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And I, Sim, LOVE how you think  ;)

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Well, I was suspicious about the 'force' behind Anonymous....thanks Paris for giving me the confirmation I needed.

So, just yesterday, Wikileaks released 5 million pages of emails from the conservative intelligence 'think tank' Stratfor.  It has been suggested that 'Anonymous' was the hacker and provided Wikileaks with the documents.   ;D

Some have suggested that Michael may have been a part of a sting operation to expose corruption.  Could 'Anonymous' and 'Wikileaks' be providing the necessary cover story for the moment?

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The emails also expose the revolving door that operates in private intelligence companies in the United States. Government and diplomatic sources from around the world give Stratfor advance knowledge of global politics and events in exchange for money. The Global Intelligence Files exposes how Stratfor has recruited a global network of informants who are paid via Swiss banks accounts and pre-paid credit cards. Stratfor has a mix of covert and overt informants, which includes government employees, embassy staff and journalists around the world.

The material shows how a private intelligence agency works, and how they target individuals for their corporate and government clients. For example, Stratfor monitored and analysed the online activities of Bhopal activists, including the "Yes Men", for the US chemical giant Dow Chemical. The activists seek redress for the 1984 Dow Chemical/Union Carbide gas disaster in Bhopal, India. The disaster led to thousands of deaths, injuries in more than half a million people, and lasting environmental damage.

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Hackers steal, under false pretenses.

Jones & Icke simply want what's in your wallet. They're full out predators. They've taken Science fiction to an entirely whole new level.
See, they don't believe that people read books anymore - I have books, and I know they're bloody damn liars. BUT - PARANOIA SELLS!
I'm sure they both studied psychology, and know how to get under people's skin, and then twist the proverbial knife.

There's no elite; no Illuminati. But what there is: people who are smart with their money, and good at convincing others what to do.

I've studied all this crap since I've been a teenager, and it doesn't matter who, or what you believe.
The world will be here tomorrow. As a child in the late 60s, I did the NUKE drills, hiding under desks once a month. Waiting for the day
to come - the day that never came!

FEAR sells, and FEAR is stupid. I toss the FEAR pie away, along with it's Satanic overtones, Illuminati crust, and Elitist filling.

Pie is pie.

The NWO does exist. On another post you talked about the like the blood lines of the elites with not wanting them to populate unless they had strong blood lines. You are absoutely correct. This is part of the NEW WORLD ORDER. The richest of the rich, elite of the elitest, the scummy of the scummiest. This is the agenda to de-population the "stupid ones", so the world, I'm not just talking the USA, I'm talking the elite globaist that control other countries all working together to control the world, desroy humanity, dumb people down thru vaccines, sterilize all babies from the very beginning, to continue to pump them full of vaccines that are full on steriliing agent so by the time that child reaches age to have kids, they won't be able to.

If your not a globalist elitest, your scum to them. They are the physoctic scientists trying to rule & ruin the world for their own selfishness. History books have been re-wrote ( Michael even said this) the things they teach in schools now are nothing but lies, they will force you to believe what they have re-wrote, don't ask questions, just accept what ever they tell you.

Bill Gates--IS THE BIGGEST FUNDER FOR THE DE-POPULATION OF THE WORLD WITH HIS VACCINE AGENDA!!
I have said in previous post.....on YOU TUBE.....Bill Gates can lower population by 15-20% by making vaccines mandatory. It's there.
I'm not going to post link for everything, if I heard something that gives me "the wow factor", I owe it to myself to check it out. If you choose not to then please don't tell me I'm just "blowing smoke up someones..." I'm giving you the resources to check it out, if you ignore it, then don't say it's not true.

Bill Gates ADMITS IT........that's not coming from me!

NWO is not for the GOOD, it never was intended for the GOOD!!

NWO is for the rich elite globalist, who want to control humanity on every level, want to get rid of the "dumb" ones, that they've intentionally dumbed down, want only bright rich Harvard IQ'S, the IQ of local police is just over 80-100, which use to be requirements of 125, which would also contriubute to the police brutality on cititizens, lower IQ'S, dumbed down police too, sick & sad. Elites are supressing all the natural resources, sure they get "clean vaccines", while others are being shot up with toxins. Elites are rich & feel they are untouchable. Elites have been around since 1900, not just the last 4 years. Elites DO NOT THINK like you or I, they are above any humanity. Elites are the SICKEST, SCUM MAGGOTS THAT WILL NOT STOP UNLESS WE AS PEOPLE SAY "NO" TO GIVING UP OUR FREEDOMS, QUIT BELIEVING THEIR LIES!!!

The terrorist are the ELITE GLOBALISTS!

@Tink...

I want to believe you sooooooo bad that the NWO doesn't exists......but I'm afraid it does. And by no means, was it ever intended for the GOOD, that's what George W. Bush said way back when, but of course he just lies, lies, lies, & sad as it is, most people believed he was trying to "keep us safe"....by our own government is our BIGGEST ENEMY! Those are the murderers!!
Please prove me wrong, I'd like to have my world back, free to share information, free of toxins in our foods & water, while the elites get their food & water brought to them free of the those toxins, because they "somehow deserve" better than US....bullshit!!!.......we all deserve to be treated like royality, not just the ones who can "PAY" THEIR WAY!!!!!


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My take on this is NWO excists and has been planned for decades and ongoing for decades.
Illuminati excists BUT is ONE name used for a group of people (HUMANS) from various backgrounds and religions and none religions.
Like a name for an organisation.

BUT there have been alot of science fiction ascosiated to this name (Illuminati) that they are aliens, eat humans, have extrodinary powers, are in contact with demons, are demons etc
This only for the main purpose to create FEAR in people AND to create so that when people say they believe in the illuminati or they know they excist people will think they are crazy.

When you can see through the deception and manipulations everything becomes clear.

Zionists = Israel = The ones who want to take the control over the world, when Israel (and God forbid it will ever happen) take over as the control/elite country of the world and according to some religious books the fake Messiah will take over for a while in Jerusalem that is when the New World Order aka ONE world Order will take place and will be in place.
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FYI - my bf has a horrid flu, and I've been healthy as can be. I've even teased him, when he walked out, paranoid about the shot from
the doctor's office last month. Now, he's been paying for it, for days!! I've been running errands, just felt sleepy for a day.

Making fun of people who don't believe like you do, is what bullies do. When everyone can sit down, present actual evidence? Then I'll listen.
But as far as I'm concerned - there's an awful lot of  respect/ that needs to be shown.

If your boyfriend got sick, it's because his immune system failed him. That same exact reason why people get cancer. Pumping your body full of toxins is NOT THE ANSWER!
Your boyfriend did the best thing, kudos to him....he wasn't poisoned with toxic wastes.

Tink if you continue to get your "toxic jabs" & you think they are doing you good, I sure hope later in your health life, you don't have some "unexplainable" pain, or get cancer, & then wonder what could've contriubuted to it. Just because some vaccines you don't see immediate damage does't mean it didn't damge.

That's why there is a vaccine damage payout...because they know it causes damage.
Try telling other people's family that have been damaged by vaccines or even death. Let THEM tell you their story of how their life has been affected. Maybe then you'd think differently.

I'm not a bully. I don't bully because you don't agree with me. I'm asking people to check out my "opinions, facts, lies" what ever you'd to call them, but everyone owes to themselves to check out a "opinion, fact, lie" if it we're to come from me or Michael Jackson.

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This probably isn't the right thread for this...but I wasn't sure where to post it since the topic of 'legal' drugs has come up in several threads.  It's a docu that I'm about halfway through watching and IMO, it sheds light on the very deep and dark rabbit hole of the pharma industry.  It's an hour and a half...but who knows?, it may be the hour and a half that saves a life....or at least, opens your eyes to see that 'they' don't care about us.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDlH9sV0lHU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Hmmm....I wonder how many prison cells are currently holding 'criminals' on 'pot' charges alone. 

The hypocrisy is pathetic.

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David Icke and Alex Jones are not to be trusted.
 Do the research and digg deep.
Anyone who does not point the fingers squarely at Israel and Zionism is suspect.

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Zionists = Israel = The ones who want to take the control over the world, when Israel (and God forbid it will ever happen) take over as the control/elite country of the world and according to some religious books the fake Messiah will take over for a while in Jerusalem that is when the New World Order aka ONE world Order will take place and will be in place.
Now you’re talking!

BeTheChange, I'm torn on that topic.  http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22185.msg390060#msg390060


Paula-c, I agree with you, but this twitter pic from Paris makes me really go hmm...  If true Michael is wading deep into enemy territory, and couldn't go on long if not backed with supernatural protection and authority, similar to Moses.  Jermaine describes MJ as Moses, and TS' emphasis on the Exodus story.

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My question is.... confused/..Why just the catalog of Mike ? bounce/ Mmmmmmmm.... ::P ;) ;)
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It's interesting to me that that the leader turned on his own operation and has been undercover for months. I also have the question....why just MJ songs from Sony?


http://news.yahoo.com/lulzsec-leader-turns-fellow-hacktivists-feds-160134846--abc-news.html

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    LulzSec 'Leader' Turns on Fellow Hacktivists: Feds (ABC News)

Six members of the suspected computer hacking groups affiliated with Anonymous were charged -- including the suspected ring leader, who directed the entire operation from a Manhattan apartment complex -- after it was revealed one of the group's most high profile members has been working with federal authorities for months.

Hector Monsegur, a 28-year-old American believed to use the name "Sabu" on the internet, was arrested by federal agents last year and has been cooperating with law enforcement ever since, officials said. He pleaded guilty last August, a plea unsealed in federal court in Lower Manhattan today.

At least at least four of the five other members of the group were arrested recently based on information provided by Monsegur -- one in Chicago and three overseas, officials said. Each were charged with conspiracy and at least two will appear in federal court in Lower Manhattan later today.

Federal officials said they expect the arrests to seriously damage LulzSec, an underground group also known as Lulz Security, which is also an offset of the hacking group Anonymous.

Law enforcement sources told ABC News that the six people charged are allegedly among the most sophisticated hackers in the world. The FBI said motives for attacks varied -- for example an attack on credit card companies was based on the refusal by the firms to process contributions to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, and another attack was simply a way of mocking internet security. The investigation began with a tip last June, officials said.

The group and Anonymous have taken credit for carrying out a number of high-profile hacking actions against companies and institutions including the CIA's website, Britain's Serious Organized Crime Agency, Japan's Sony Corp and Mexican government websites.

Last month, Anonymous published a recording of a confidential call between FBI agents and London detectives in which the law-enforcement agents discuss action they are taking against hacking.

READ: Anonymous Listens in on FBI-Scotland Yard Hacking Call

Anonymous also claimed to be behind the electronic theft of thousands of internal documents from the private intelligence analysis firm Stratfor. In charging documents released today, federal officials said that the charged co-conspirators had stolen credit card information from Stratfor employees and clients and made some $700,000 in unauthorized charges.

Earlier this week, a Twitter account connected to Sabu continued to rant against federal agents, supposedly while he was working with them.

"The federal government is run by a bunch of f*****g cowards. Don't give in to these people. Fight back. Stay strong," a tweet from Monday reads.

While Anonymous and LulzSec by nature have no official hierarchy, the user known as Sabu was one of the most vocal and prominent members in online communities. Fox News first reported Monsegur's alleged involvement with the today's arrests.

ABC News' Jason Ryan, Mark Crudele and Lee Ferran contributed to this report.
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It's interesting to me that that the leader turned on his own operation and has been undercover for months. I also have the question....why just MJ songs from Sony?


http://news.yahoo.com/lulzsec-leader-turns-fellow-hacktivists-feds-160134846--abc-news.html

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LulzSec 'Leader' Turns on Fellow Hacktivists: Feds
ABC NewsBy RICHARD ESPOSITO, AARON KATERSKY and PIERRE THOMAS | ABC News – 9 hrs ago

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    LulzSec 'Leader' Turns on Fellow Hacktivists: Feds (ABC News)

Six members of the suspected computer hacking groups affiliated with Anonymous were charged -- including the suspected ring leader, who directed the entire operation from a Manhattan apartment complex -- after it was revealed one of the group's most high profile members has been working with federal authorities for months.

Hector Monsegur, a 28-year-old American believed to use the name "Sabu" on the internet, was arrested by federal agents last year and has been cooperating with law enforcement ever since, officials said. He pleaded guilty last August, a plea unsealed in federal court in Lower Manhattan today.

At least at least four of the five other members of the group were arrested recently based on information provided by Monsegur -- one in Chicago and three overseas, officials said. Each were charged with conspiracy and at least two will appear in federal court in Lower Manhattan later today.

Federal officials said they expect the arrests to seriously damage LulzSec, an underground group also known as Lulz Security, which is also an offset of the hacking group Anonymous.

Law enforcement sources told ABC News that the six people charged are allegedly among the most sophisticated hackers in the world. The FBI said motives for attacks varied -- for example an attack on credit card companies was based on the refusal by the firms to process contributions to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, and another attack was simply a way of mocking internet security. The investigation began with a tip last June, officials said.

The group and Anonymous have taken credit for carrying out a number of high-profile hacking actions against companies and institutions including the CIA's website, Britain's Serious Organized Crime Agency, Japan's Sony Corp and Mexican government websites.

Last month, Anonymous published a recording of a confidential call between FBI agents and London detectives in which the law-enforcement agents discuss action they are taking against hacking.

READ: Anonymous Listens in on FBI-Scotland Yard Hacking Call

Anonymous also claimed to be behind the electronic theft of thousands of internal documents from the private intelligence analysis firm Stratfor. In charging documents released today, federal officials said that the charged co-conspirators had stolen credit card information from Stratfor employees and clients and made some $700,000 in unauthorized charges.

Earlier this week, a Twitter account connected to Sabu continued to rant against federal agents, supposedly while he was working with them.

"The federal government is run by a bunch of f*****g cowards. Don't give in to these people. Fight back. Stay strong," a tweet from Monday reads.

While Anonymous and LulzSec by nature have no official hierarchy, the user known as Sabu was one of the most vocal and prominent members in online communities. Fox News first reported Monsegur's alleged involvement with the today's arrests.

ABC News' Jason Ryan, Mark Crudele and Lee Ferran contributed to this report.


It's not that odd that Sabu started to colaborate (if that's even true) since he was arrested last year and has many count.

Here is the official court file on Sabu: http://www.scribd.com/doc/84141558/Sabu-Court-Dox

What is hilarious is that FBI cares people to know that they have arrested a leader so their catch to look important  lolol/
The fact is the anonymous group has no leaders and the "members" are becoming more and more each day, and somehow I don't believe the authorities are in control of the situation.
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FYI - my bf has a horrid flu, and I've been healthy as can be. I've even teased him, when he walked out, paranoid about the shot from
the doctor's office last month. Now, he's been paying for it, for days!! I've been running errands, just felt sleepy for a day.

Making fun of people who don't believe like you do, is what bullies do. When everyone can sit down, present actual evidence? Then I'll listen.
But as far as I'm concerned - there's an awful lot of  respect/ that needs to be shown.

If your boyfriend got sick, it's because his immune system failed him. That same exact reason why people get cancer. Pumping your body full of toxins is NOT THE ANSWER!
Your boyfriend did the best thing, kudos to him....he wasn't poisoned with toxic wastes.

Tink if you continue to get your "toxic jabs" & you think they are doing you good, I sure hope later in your health life, you don't have some "unexplainable" pain, or get cancer, & then wonder what could've contriubuted to it. Just because some vaccines you don't see immediate damage does't mean it didn't damge.

That's why there is a vaccine damage payout...because they know it causes damage.
Try telling other people's family that have been damaged by vaccines or even death. Let THEM tell you their story of how their life has been affected. Maybe then you'd think differently.

I'm not a bully. I don't bully because you don't agree with me. I'm asking people to check out my "opinions, facts, lies" what ever you'd to call them, but everyone owes to themselves to check out a "opinion, fact, lie" if it we're to come from me or Michael Jackson.

Explain to me again, how I'm going to get "cancer," when I'm the only one in my family who came down with one of the TWO most deadly forms a woman can get, and beat it, 20 years ago? I just buried a family member from it, earlier this year... :-\

I may not be able to run Marathons, but I'm here intact, and I'm fine. Hiya!  bearhug

FYI - did you actually watch Bill Gates ENTIRE TED presentation of 27 minutes, or only the EDITED 4 minutes that's being handed around?
Also, there's a second talk, that's also important. I've watched BOTH, and here they are:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/bill_gates.html

Here's where he talks about cutting childhood deaths IN HALF - and how he plans to cut them IN HALF again!!

http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_unplugged.html

If you watch the seminar, Bill Gates recognizes that the population is growing, heading to 9 billion. "If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that perhaps 10-15%." Chicken Little, the sky is falling! Bill Gates is trying to kill us with vacccines! Here's the dose of rationalism- there's no sinister plot here, vaccines actually do help lower the birth rate of the population.

Whoa, vaccines help lower the population growth rate? YES. It sounds counter intuitive, because science, the last couple of centuries, and the current population are all solid evidence that vaccines lower mortality rates.

How do lower mortality rates slow the growth of the population? Lower mortality rates correlate to lower birth rates because they eliminate many of the risk factors that drive birth rates higher. Vaccinnes contribute to health, well being, and longevity- loosening the pressure of early procreation. Couples are waiting longer to conceive children as our expected life span allows us to first fulfill our educaional and career oriented goals.

Now, if you contine watching, you will realize the P variable is rising; Bill isn't trying to lower the population down to zero. Nor is he trying to lower the services they require, in fact; he acknowledges that the services are a very good thing, "Getting rid of poverty means providing these services to nearly everyone on the planet and it's a great thing for this number to go up."

So, in our equation, CO2= P x S x E x C, the only variables we have left to touch on (remember, one of these will have to be nearly zero to "innovate" our CO2 emissions down to zero), is the energy required for necessary services and the CO2 emissions from the energy required.

The whole purpose of Bill's seminar at TED is to address our current energy crisis, which you would know had you watched the actual seminar. This one has been debunked.

Now does it make sense?  bearhug
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@Tink...
You have your opinions & I will keep mine on Bill Gates. I'm aware of his agenda. If you feel otherwise he's a "good guy", so be it. Bill is a elite socialist with an agenda.  This guy in my opinion warrants no further discussion, his true colors of what he really stands for is known, some people just refuse to see it for what it is. BTW..........Ted Turner is also another elite socialist with an agenda, trust me, it doesn't include dumb down people, we're not in 'HIS CLASS OF ELITE".... US hard working class people are nothing but SCUM to their in-bread, social elite status....it's sickening!

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Also Tink............

Bill Gates............do some digging...........he's PURE EVIL!!! Don't be blinded by his kind gerous hand to help poverty. He can't stand US!!!!  We are not in this CLASS PERIOD!!!
He's the funder behind all this medical evil. He's not for world peace, he's the enemy. Evil like the devil, evil.



If you survived cancer, that's great! Your a chemo survivor!  I have 2 sisters that ARE CHEMO SURVIVORS TOO!!! OF BREAST CANCER!! Their not "cancer survivors" , their "chemo-radiaton survivors".

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I don't completely trust anyone with that kind of money and/or power to care about the dilemas of regular hard working people.  They know that we exist, but have not a clue what that existence consists of.  And for the most part, don't give a damn.
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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And this is really interesting in MJMCommunity

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Here what the wife has written:

"Wife of one of these "hackers" wrote this:
"The press reported about my Husband is false! Its a case of them making up the parts they dont have yet, this is a stitch up from day one!"
"FACTS: 1. There never was and never has been any Hacking. 2. MJJC/Gaz are continuing to lie, he now has 3 stories of the situation!"
"FACTS: 3. The motivation behind the OPEN access to the servers was primarily to ensure the Cascio lies were stopped!"
"FACTS 4. No Access or downloading of any Previously unreleased, Unleaked or Unheard Michael Jackson song EVER happened....Cont"
"In fact those songs were taken and offered for sale to my husband and others, police are aware of these people but are not investigating! "

Her husband (known as Birchey) wrote on twitter before:
"Teddy Riley just lined the demo up behind his mix on Hollywood Tonight and then he "EQ'd" the high end out to create the bassline"
"thats why there is no character to it, it was a ridiculas thing to do, I have know idea why he didn't use original"
"I am guessing he didn't EQ the demo to get the bassline like Teddy did XD the original bass is killer!!!!!"
"Soon the TRUTH will be heard!!!!"
"Breaking News Demo, Before Teddy touched it, same vibrato....melodyne is a lie, Teddy LIED, the truth comes out within 6 months"
"if it leaks it not from me, i have no interest in that. but the truth will come"
"Back for bail 12th Sept, Me vs Sony Music, truth about the cascio tracks coming?"
"No they taking me to court, I am being accused of something I never did, scare tactics wont work, its ridiculas "
"Me to sony "Sony you're severs are open, thousands of people are getting music from them"............1 month later......servers still open"
"back on bail sept 12th, think they questioning me again, will be interesting to see what they say"
"well apparently my IP requested 49,000 downloads, guess the only 12 songs Sony listed on a printout? funny heh"
"an MJ impersonator mixed by someone impersonating a real producer................xD"
"dont worry bout me, its just smething i gotta go thru, its all bull, but in the end its all good "
"to be honest i currently have zero MJ stuff, its all sat in some crime lab somewhere gathering dust xD"
"that show was cringe worthy, a complete joke! they also happened to pick the most absurd mj fans to be on it, what an embarrassment"
"a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.

You don't want to know how I know
I cant and wont release any specific information but I have heard all 12 Cascio songs (Raw demos) and also seen pictures of the tracks being edited.

Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

there is breathing on them, but a majority has been pasted on, there are tracks named "MJGrunts_2" and so on, infact one song has a complete MJ beatbox intro made from 7 tracks of looped, copied and pasted MJ vocal tics.

For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.

I mentioned before there is breathing, but there is more which appear to have been put on top, not nescessarily breathing coming into a line, but more to do with little vocal ticks. The whole songs are a joke, I can tell you one song used 9 vocal tracks to complete ONE lead vocal, which tbh isn;t a big deal in a real studio situation but when we are told the vocals are one take its weird "


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Here is what I just read similar on imdb.com:

"Found out Info...Somehow 2 MJ fans got a link to hack the Sony Server...So they did...They went in specifically to get the Cascio tracks and expose them by leaking them to the Internet.

But what happened is they left a digital Fingerprint that led Sony to trace them back to the UK.

Now This happened last year...But the media are only reporting it now(Slooooooow). Sony are saying not just MJ's back Catalog has been copied but Other artists on the label too.

TBH i don't know if that's true about the whole catalog...These 2 fans have sworn all they wanted was the Cascio tracks....One of the fans wife posted that her Husband and his friend were being set up.

It's possible Sony is exaggerating the claims to nail them...But i suspect that these 2 fans are being used as Patsy's...I think maybe word got out that Sony's server was open and other more tech savvy thieves hacked in and stole...But the only Fingerprint left behind were the 2 MJ fans...Sony's Server was apparently open for almost a month before they detected the breach.

Now What's confusing for me is, Artists talk about Vaults to store their music...I always assumed actual Vaults...But if Sony's Catalog were on computer servers instead of say, external hard drives...Well that is incredibly stupid on Sony's part...Ya know what the Internet is like with viruses/hackers,

This shows Sony to be incredibly incompetent...This is not the first time they've been hacked...They were hacked a few months before...Something to do with the Playstation network.

Anyway, these 2 Fans are out on bail and i think the case is happening this year or next...But one of the Fans said they have information but they can't talk about it, but when it comes out in court...It will be the Truth...Especially the Cascio songs. "

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I was talking about Birchey and his friend. They got in Sony server around July/August and after that MJJC sever went down because it was confiscated by a warrant. The whole thing happened last year and Birchey tweets stopped about September, I think.
There are other 2 guys that were also arrested, I cannot recall their names I think the are James Marks and James McCormick not sure ( I am really bad with names), for the playstation thing.

But Sony got hacked again this year and I think they are trying to cover up this last one.
Sony was in financial trouble before Jun 25 2009, after the "event" Sony got a lot better in their business.

However we also have to remember that Michael's catalog was safe, because his catalog was not at Sony at this time. MJJac catalog was not there. Sony has the part it paid to the estate (250 million) and to Michael for and the songs he recorded at the time of Dangerous and Invincible albums...
I don't know too much about the MJ fans which got arrested, I heard he made a remix with Hollywood tonight and showed to someone on the internet, but not too much details.
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You have your opinions & I will keep mine on Bill Gates. I'm aware of his agenda. If you feel otherwise he's a "good guy", so be it. Bill is a elite socialist with an agenda.  This guy in my opinion warrants no further discussion, his true colors of what he really stands for is known, some people just refuse to see it for what it is. BTW..........Ted Turner is also another elite socialist with an agenda, trust me, it doesn't include dumb down people, we're not in 'HIS CLASS OF ELITE".... US hard working class people are nothing but SCUM to their in-bread, social elite status....it's sickening!

Do you know how Bill Gates started out?  ???/
Microsoft started in Bill Gates' garage. His high-school friend Paul Allen convinced him to drop out of Harvard to start the company. They moved to Arizona and wrote a BASIC programming language for Altair computers out of Bill's garage.

Following the launch of Altair 8800 Bill Gates had and idea and got together with Mirco Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems (MITS) and started Mircosoft in 1975. In 1981 they launched the first Windows.

To quote you again, It shows the power of US hard working class people!

Learn people's humble beginnings, and then you will comprehend what truly motivates them. With Bill Gates and Melinda, it's using their greatest gift: their minds, and using it for the betterment of all humankind!

Ted Turner: Took over his father's Bilboard company, after the tragic suicide. He was a visionary, who saw that for little money, he could invest in Radio stations.

In 1969, Turner made the switch from radio to TV, by purchasing a struggling station in Atlanta.  The channel ran old movies and sitcoms, as Turner knew that television viewers wanted more variety in their viewing options.  In 1973, WTCG (as it was known then) began broadcasting Atlanta Braves baseball games, and in 1976 the channel began being broadcast via cable satellites to homes across the country. This same year Turner bought the Braves as well as the Atlanta Hawks.  This broad cable viewership base helped the Braves become one of the most popular franchises in professional sports during their success in the 1990s.

In 1978, WTCG was rebranding as TBS for Turner Broadcasting System, and in 1980 he launched what is perhaps his most famous venture of all time: the Cable News Network, or CNN for short.  CNN revolutionized how viewers were able to get their information on current events.  Previously, it was customary to wait for the national network news to come on at around 6 o’clock in the evening, but with CNN, viewers were given access to breaking news 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Turner was known by many outside of television for his ownership of the Atlanta Braves, as well as the Atlanta Hawks.  He was also instrumental in bringing the Olympics to Atlanta in 1996, and revitalized Atlanta’s downtown with the construction of the CNN high rise headquarters. 

Turner also received a great deal of attention for his unprecedented $1 billion charitable gift to the United Nations in 1998.

I fail to see how either is "elitist" or "scum" when you can donate ONE BILLION DOLLARS in Charitable Gifts, to help the world!

BOTH put their money where their mouth is. Both try to help their fellow human beings on a GLOBAL SCALE, because that's the right thing to do.

Most wealthy people do things anonymously. Unfortunately, the information on the Internet can be manipulated, add some slick words, fancy images, and distort the truth, by cutting a few words out of a 27 minute video. I find it appalling that it's allowed to happen, all in the name of Entertainment.

I wouldn't call things on a whole, conspiracies - I'd call them plots with a purpose. Like stories. People doing startup companies; some succeed, some won't.

It's always about: Supply -> Demand. That's how the world WORKS. You find a niche, and you fill it. Some do it for good, some do it for bad.
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Thorough research into the so-called 'UNited Nations' would be a good start in understanding what their, and their supporters, agenda is...and always has been, from inception.

Many, many powerful people began with humble beginnings....and ended up forgetting that.  Money, THE root of all evil, has a way of turning the best of 'them' into monsters.

Starting off in a garage doesn't automatically make anyone 'one of us'....unless by 'us', one means evil, ruthless, inhumane and willing to do anything to make a buck.  Thanks, but I think I'll pass on that membership.

'They don't care about us' should be THE anthem of the planet....it was/is meant for the 99%, not the 1%.

That 'snooze' button is wearing out...but, unfortunately, still operational.

With L.O.V.E. always.
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Billionaires ARE NOT on our level by any means. Their way of "helping" poverty, thru vaccines, & other medical evils, is what those rich ones want you to believe. Bill Gates, Ted Turner, & many other rich elites DO NOT THINK like you or I. To me they are just a bunch of in-bread socialist elites that want get rid of all the "dumb ones". I don't care if the world is over populated..........make room..........since when is it ok for those who have money to rule on someone else's life & whether or not they can be parents later in life, not be determined by vaccines with sterile agents in them. God can be that decider not a bunch of "rich ones" who are playing God by finding ways to de-popuilate because they have a different agenda.

It's not just them having money. It's them as elite's having power & control over US.....PERIOD!!!

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Ted Turner is a billionaire industrialist with five kids, 2 million acres of land and a network of business interests that combined must spew more carbon dioxide in a year than all the people reading this article put together in a lifetime could manage. And he is telling you to make sacrifices, to not have children, to sell your reproductive rights and be sterilized, to reduce your living standards, just like Al Gores flaps his gums about rising sea levels caused by global warming while purchasing oceanside property worth millions of dollars.

How much more evidence will it take for people to accept the fact that overpopulation is a myth and that it has been hijacked by global warming alarmists who are now using it as a replacement for the discredited science of man-made climate change in order to build their new world order, which is based entirely around squeezing the middle class and making people more dependent on big government, thereby becoming the architects of their own enslavement and being forced to crawl cap-in-hand to the likes of Uncle Ted and beg for a dime.


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Just months after a leaked UN blueprint that revealed climate change alarmists would start pushing “overpopulation” fears in favor of the discredited mantra of global warming as a means of dismantling the middle class, billionaire globalist Ted Turner followed suit during a Cancun luncheon yesterday when he urged the world to adopt China’s brutal one-child policy, and even suggested poor people should be sterilized in return for government handouts.

“Mr. Turner – a long-time advocate of population control – said the environmental stress on the Earth requires radical solutions, suggesting countries should follow China’s lead in instituting a one-child policy to reduce global population over time. He added that fertility rights could be sold so that poor people could profit from their decision not to reproduce,” reports the Globe and Mail.

The secret behind Turner’s call for western nations to enforce a tyrannical policy that in China is administered by undercover police and “family planning” authorities who kidnap, force drug and then forcibly abort babies of pregnant women, has nothing whatsoever to do with his concern for the environment.

In the third world, Turner has contributed literally billions to population reduction, namely through United Nations programs, leading the way for the likes of Bill & Melinda Gates and Warren Buffet (Gates’ father has long been a leading board member of Planned Parenthood and a top eugenicist). Gates himself has given speeches in which he promotes the use of vaccines and abortion as a means of reducing global population and lowering CO2 emissions.

Quite how an improvement in health care through vaccines that supposedly save lives would lead to a lowering in global population is an oxymoron, unless Gates was referring to vaccines that sterilize people, which is precisely the same method advocated in White House science advisor John P. Holdren’s 1977 textbook Ecoscience, which calls for a dictatorial “planetary regime” to enforce draconian measures of population reduction via all manner of oppressive techniques, including sterilization.

This is what Gates and Turner discussed when they met in secret with the likes of George Soros and David Rockefeller at a private gathering of billionaires in Manhattan last year, a confab focused around how these globalists could use their wealth to “slow the growth of the world’s population.”

Overpopulation is a myth. The UN’s own figures clearly indicate that population is set to stabilize in 2020 and then drop dramatically after 2050. As the Economist reported, “Fertility is falling and families are shrinking in places— such as Brazil, Indonesia, and even parts of India—that people think of as teeming with children. As our briefing shows, the fertility rate of half the world is now 2.1 or less—the magic number that is consistent with a stable population and is usually called “the replacement rate of fertility”. Sometime between 2020 and 2050 the world’s fertility rate will fall below the global replacement rate.”

To emphasize, not only do the numbers clearly indicate that overpopulation is a contrived scare, but the scaremongers themselves have been caught admitting that they are fanning the fears in order to reduce living standards in the west and consequently set in motion a “global redistribution of wealth.”

And don’t for a second be fooled into thinking that this so-called “global redistribution of wealth” will manifest some kind of socialist utopia. As was uncovered during the Copenhagen summit, the program of “global redistribution of wealth” largely centers around looting the wealth of the middle classes in richer countries through carbon taxes and then using that money to bankroll the construction of world government. As the leaked “Danish text” revealed, the money generated from consumption taxes will go directly to the World Bank, not to developing countries.

Let me emphasize again, even if you believe the claptrap circulated about overpopulation, the men being empowered to “solve the problem” have stated that their primary goal is to kill 95 per cent of humanity while destroying prosperity and economic freedom in the west, as well as ensuring that the third world remains in mountains of debt to the World Bank and IMF.


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@Tink....
Here's more on the "good guy" Bill Gates....

Bill Gates, Monsanto, and eugenics: How one of the world's wealthiest men is actively promoting a corporate takeover of global agriculture
Wednesday, February 29, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

NaturalNews) After it was exposed that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the philanthropic brainchild of Microsoft founder Bill Gates, purchased 500,000 shares in Monsanto back in 2010 valued at more than $23 million, it became abundantly clear that this so-called benevolent charity is up to something other than eradicating disease and feeding the world's poor (http://www.guardian.co.uk). It turns out that the Gates family legacy has long been one of trying to dominate and control the world's systems, including in the areas of technology, medicine, and now agriculture.

The Gates Foundation, aka the tax-exempt Gates Family Trust, is currently in the process of spending billions of dollars in the name of humanitarianism to establish a global food monopoly dominated by genetically-modified (GM) crops and seeds. And based on the Gates family's history of involvement in world affairs, it appears that one of its main goals besides simply establishing corporate control of the world's food supply is to reduce the world's population by a significant amount in the process.


William H. Gates Sr., former head of eugenics group Planned Parenthood
Bill Gates' father, William H. Gates Sr., has long been involved with the eugenics group Planned Parenthood, a rebranded organization birthed out of the American Eugenics Society. In a 2003 interview with PBS' Bill Moyers, Bill Gates admitted that his father used to be the head of Planned Parenthood, which was founded on the concept that most human beings are just "reckless breeders" and "human weeds" in need of culling (http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_gates.html).

Gates also admitted during the interview that his family's involvement in reproductive issues throughout the years has been extensive, referencing his own prior adherence to the beliefs of eugenicist Thomas Robert Malthus, who believed that populations of the world need to be controlled through reproductive restrictions. Though Gates claims he now holds a different view, it appears as though his foundation's initiatives are just a modified Malthusian approach that much more discreetly reduces populations through vaccines and GMOs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus).


Gates Foundation has invested heavily in converting Asian, African agricultural systems to GMOs
William Gates Sr.'s association with Planned Parenthood and continued influence in the realm of "population and reproductive health" is significant because Gates Sr. is co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/leadership/Pages/william-gates-sr.aspx). This long-time eugenicist "guides the vision and strategic direction" of the Gates Foundation, which is currently heavily focused on forcing GMOs on Africa via its financing of the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA).

The Gates Foundation has admittedly given at least $264.5 million in grant commitments to AGRA (www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Documents/BMGFFactSheet.pdf), and also reportedly hired Dr. Robert Horsch, a former Monsanto executive for 25 years who developed Roundup, to head up AGRA back in 2006. According to a report published in La Via Campesina back in 2010, 70 percent of AGRA's grantees in Kenya work directly with Monsanto, and nearly 80 percent of the Gates Foundation funding is devoted to biotechnology (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_21606.cfm).

The same report explains that the Gates Foundation pledged $880 million in April 2010 to create the Global Agriculture and Food Security Program (GAFSP), which is a heavy promoter of GMOs. GAFSP, of course, was responsible for providing $35 million in "aid" to earthquake-shattered Haiti to be used for implementing GMO agricultural systems and technologies.

Back in 2003, the Gates Foundation invested $25 million in "GM (genetically modified) research to develop vitamin and protein-enriched seeds for the world's poor," a move that many international charities and farmers groups vehemently opposed (http://healthfreedoms.org). And in 2008, the Gates Foundation awarded $26.8 million to Cornell University to research GM wheat, which is the next major food crop in the crosshairs of Monsanto's GM food crop pipeline (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_21606.cfm).


If you control agriculture, you control the populations of the world
The Gates Foundation's ties with Monsanto and corporate agriculture in general speak volumes about its real agenda, which is to create a monopolistic system of world control in every area of human life. Vaccines, pharmaceuticals, GMOs, reproductive control, weather manipulation, global warming -- these and many other points of entry are the means by which the Gates Foundation is making great strides to control the world by pretending to help improve and save it.

Rather than promote real food sovereignty and address the underlying political and economic issues that breed poverty, Gates and Co. has instead embraced the promotion of corporately-owned and controlled agriculture and medicine paradigms that will only further enslave the world's most impoverished. It is abundantly evident that GMOs have ravished already-impoverished people groups by destroying their native agricultural systems, as has been seen in India (http://www.naturalnews.com/030913_Monsanto_suicides.html).

Some may say Gates' endeavors are all about the money, while others may say they are about power and control. Perhaps it is a combination of both, where Gates is still in the business of promoting his own commercial investments, which includes buying shares in Monsanto while simultaneously investing in programs to promote Monsanto.

Whatever the case may be, there is simply no denying that Gates now has a direct interest in seeing Monsanto succeed in spreading GMOs around the world. And since Gates is openly facilitating Monsanto's growth into new markets through his "humanitarian" efforts, it is clear that the Gates family is in bed with Monsanto.

"Although Bill Gates might try to say that the Foundation is not linked to his business, all it proves is the opposite: most of their donations end up favoring the commercial investments of the tycoon, not really "donating" anything, but instead of paying taxes to state coffers, he invests his profits in where it is favorable to him economically, including propaganda from their supposed good intentions," wrote Silvia Ribeiro in the Mexican news source La Jornada back in 2010.

"On the contrary, their 'donations' finance projects as destructive as geoengineering or replacement of natural community medicines for high-tech patented medicines in the poorest areas of the world ... Gates is also engaged in trying to destroy rural farming worldwide, mainly through the 'Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa' (AGRA). It works as a Trojan horse to deprive poor African farmers of their traditional seeds, replacing them with the seeds of their companies first, finally by genetically modified (GM)."

Sources for this article include:

http://www.guardian.co.uk

http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org

http://english.pravda.ru

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_21606.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eugenics_Society

http://www.naturalnews.com/033148_seed_companies_Monsanto.html

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