TIAI January 21

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 05:51:24 PM
In December of 2009, TS said the following: “Could there possibly be a relationship between the death hoax, and the unveiling of the Ark?  In fact, could both of these things be directly related to the end of the world (see R49)? … stayed tuned: this is not it, there’s more to come.  When the time is right, there will be further information about the Ark of the Covenant. … Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.”

Today is the day; the time is right, for the information on the ark to come out loud and clear!  This redirect is about the detailed information on the ark of the covenant.  However, this one is very religious; so it has been posted in the other forum for religious discussion, with a link to it here {http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg118#msg118}.

As documented very well by Souza in her last blog (redirect for January 11), there are indeed religious aspects of the MJ hoax. Nobody is required to read or join in the religious discussion; but please do not say that topics about the Bible and God are unrelated to Michael and the hoax.  I have repeatedly shown that the Bible, including and especially the end of the world, is a significant part of the hoax (12:21 phone call timing, and much more).

Please limit discussions, on this thread and where the article is posted, to the appropriate topic: the ark of the covenant, and how to distinguish the genuine from the counterfeits.

Thank you.

Point 17:
Misleading and NOT true. That theory has been debunked long ago since DNA was only tested by one particular group with one particular intention and R.W had.

Point 21:
Misleading, brainwashing technique based on fear. It has NOTHING to do with Michael Jackson. NOTHING.

Be ready for the EOW? really?....well, be ready for the end of your life (our lives) every day, because since we are born we are dying slowly and that day will come sooner or later, that we are sure about.

Playing the fear card on people is so low, TS.
Jesus, Mohammed or the green rabbit cannot make things better or worst as they are already.

People, focus in living your life happy and loving each other as you feel like it instead of getting afraid whit those theories which only agenda is to make you change your mind, faith or beliefs.

Do as you feel but don´t take TS´s words as "the gospel". Be objective and think for yourself.

If you want to know about the ark, go to the archeology department of the university of your area and ask for an expert there or a professor and ask the questions you want answers for. Get them from someone who is not conditionated by fulfilling one only agenda.

About the so called EOW, it can happen tomorrow or in 2000 years, so please, do NOT FEAR DEATH and you will get free. Don´t let others manipulate you with that fear.



("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
The first time I have to agree with MissG

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:07:26 PM
Just woke up and checked the forum. I too had a feeling TS that you might post on the 21st.

Will go and read now with my morning coffee.


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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:13:05 PM
Why does it say at the end of the post.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 10:38:01 PM by ~Souza~ » when the post came from "The Sing" member?

Whatever, I am just amazed seeing how Michael Jackson´s theme has been push on the side for that.

@TS, I always saw you like a modern times preacher from pc to pc instead of door to door but using Michael Jackson supporters and feeding false clues to fulfill YOUR faith agenda on their pain, giving them hope is not what the good samaritan does.

What make you think that this is what Michael Jackson wanted? IF Michael wanted his supporters to follow his beliefs he would have ask straight to us.

I would really like to have a word with you, voice to voice sort to speak, so I am opening a skype account right the way.

("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:15:20 PM
I will not comment on TS' subjects from now, read them or check them. Because this was the proof of what is behind all this. Not what's behind Michael's hoax, but what's behind TS' character. For me this was the last proof. I will not be part of this. I don't understand who this character is, why he came here and why he chose Michael's subject to further this agenda. Enough. I will not be part of this.
Before I get my intentions misunderstood, I am not leaving the forum..nor want to.  I have had to step back numerous times as some of you had advised me to do.  So I observe.  This is one of those times. 

I agree with you Anna and quite a few others too.  It brings tears to my eyes.  This all could very well be correct or Michael's doing, but, I know there are too many religions trying to pinpoint when the end comes...my choice of religion has done it as well.  Ts has stated that there are ties to Michael and religion, however, that is simply stating an opinion.  I do not want to sound negative or unbelieving, or disrespectful, but in the end times, it is THE utmost importance to guard your heart and soul.  If it does not come from my choice of religion I'm not part of it.  I'm thrilled you bros and sisters on here are looking into the bible because of ts sending you to do so.  I hope he does represent Michael and leads you to where I am without his help.  What he does strengthens my faith in what I believe, and if he's not on that page, then..."if he's not with Jah, he's against him" and not for me.
  Not that I won't be here, or reading, or even posting if I feel compelled to do so, I try not to...but I will be just waiting to see where this goes.
Friends, I am not sitting on the fence about TS.  My loyalties are with Jah, and for me that's not the hoax.  I'm here for Michael and if the two ARE in the end intertwined, so be it.  I'm still 100% the "fan" (what a weak word) of Michael as I have been for 44 years.  And I am also, a witness of Jah (even though inactive).
I don't care if they are intertwined, and TS/Michael, forgive me if they are related, but, I believe you hoaxed your death.  And I have the truth of the bible in what I've found to be correct.  So, I guess my journey here is with other aspects of your why.  I, of course, along with my sisters Aussie and Shy will take what you give spiritually and  see if you REALLY represent what we know Michael believed and took to his heart with what his lyrics, voice and sending his kids to the hall with his mother show to me.  Let alone his return to the halls.
Love and no disrespect, but, only time will show what proofs are needed.  Be it the hoax reasons, Michael's death, TS/Front/Backs authenticity or the topic and prediction to the end of this wicked system of things and the ushering in of the new system. 
I'd rather work on making sure I'm following  Jah's words to even be part of it all.
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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:23:06 PM
[...]Right now, I am going to take time to collect thoughts and do research, etc. 
And pray about this.
I will likely write more later when I have the time. 
Peace and God's love too all.  bearhug[...]

+1 ;)
« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 06:29:36 PM by SimPattyK »

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:28:40 PM
[...]
Was "what went to the hospital' ever finalised?

Is the Ark connected to this?
[...]
^^ 2 questions that popped into my head, too!

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:36:11 PM

The Sign said:
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Not only does the devil deceive, but he deceives the whole world on the very same reason why he was kicked out of heaven—for demanding that angels should be able to sit on God’s throne! Just take a look at any and all pictures and drawings of the ark; search “ark of the covenant” on Google images, or some other search engine. Or look through ark pictures in religious materials.
In all cases, you will find the angels are standing on the throne, kneeling on the throne, crouching on the throne, or whatever; but always on the throne! However, angels are not even allowed to sit on God’s throne, much less have their feet on His throne!!! What blasphemy! The devil has a good laugh, no doubt.
There is one ark, though, depicted with a few different yet similar illustrations, where the angels are beside the ark and mercy seat—which is exactly where they belong! And this is the true ark; any and all arks with angels on top of the mercy seat are most certainly counterfeit.
For those might think that the story of Lucifer and God’s throne is symbolic, and not literal, the point here is still the same. God would not design the ark of the covenant to represent symbolic error (angels on the throne); no, He would design it to represent the truth (angels beside the throne).

This is exactly what Souza said on the thread about the true ark.

Oops!

Then the most important part of all the fake arks: the cherubim. On nearly EVERY image of the Ark, the cherubim are placed ON the mercy seat. The Ark was God's throne on earth. Just like on the throne he sits upon in heaven, the Ark has covering cherubim:

"The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved."
(Psalm 99:1)

"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."
(Isaiah 37:16)

Nowhere in the Bible does it ever indicate that angels sat UPON God's throne. Satan wanted it, but was cast out of heaven for it. He was jealous of Jesus, who DID sit on the throne besides the Father. Satan was one of the highest angels, so if HE couldn't sit on God's throne, how would angels lower ranked than he be allowed?

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21759.msg380623#msg380623

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Actually, more than one by one word via skype, I think it´s going to be much better a "congregation" of us joining a voice chat, but not to listen about faith or religious topics, just about why Michael is dead or alive.

Enough with hiding behind a computer.

I joined this forum to know about Michael and it´s "my choice" reading or not TS and my RESPONSIBILITY as a human being to warn others when I see wrong doing.
Many of TS´s posts were entertaining enough when came to "disect" Michael´s life, but EOW and religion has been shoved for too long already.

A forum it´s created by it´s members and happens that this forum was apparently created to find the truth about what happened to MICHAEL JACKSON. How on earth has "doomsday" anything to do with what happened to Michael Jackson? How???

Another thing, according to different sources, back in 1998 was when the so called End of the phucking world happened. I remember it very well because I was in my last year of University for my 1st career.

And, one does not need any religion to tell you about the end. We are the ones destroying the world with our greed and actions every single day.
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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:53:08 PM

A forum it´s created by it´s members and happens that this forum was apparently created to find the truth about what happened to MICHAEL JACKSON. How on earth has "doomsday" anything to do with what happened to Michael Jackson? How???

Exactly what I'm feeling about this. You made some really good posts. And out of all the reasons we believed Michael was hoaxing his death for (and the members over here came up with quite some) I never dreamed we would end with something like this. I am very confused about it (not scared about EOW though) but.....what happened......??!!!

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 06:55:28 PM
Jermaine doesn't know shit. He just knows about the hoax. And for sure he has no idea about anything else. If Michael is not here then no one from the family reads this forum.


I thought again, I will not further this to the family, as they ignore most of the things, and if they do TS will say "The family didn't speak against me so this means they support me and the message I spread".


But I will further this to the authorities.

Okay, and you are going to tell them what exactly? That a Bible study was posted on a forum about RELIGION? I rather would have had it on here to be honest, but maybe TS is trying to avoid people like you by posting it there. Good luck Anna, and I will help you a hand with leaving, since you are one of the few I addressed in one of my recent posts. Your first comment in this thread is: I am not going to comment. What went wrong?

@bindupbrokenhearted: you are right, but that's totally my fault. TS had trouble posting again (that's why it said 'coming soon' first, so he asked me if I could do it for him, but I copied his file wrongly. There are some things he put in italic too in his original post as I see now, so I hope that I can fix that, but the last sentence is now fixed. Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks Souza!  It is just my virgo perfectionism coming out again :lol: 

One thing that I saw while reading over the post my first read through:

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Last, but certainly not least, the new covenant had to be signed with Christ’s literal blood; otherwise, there would be no way to verify the identity of Who signed. The main purpose of a signature is to verify the identity of the one who signed the contract. With handwritten ink, it’s difficult but possible to forge a signature and thereby give a false identity. With blood and DNA, it is even harder to falsify the identity.
With the blood that Ron Wyatt found on the mercy seat of the true ark, the identity is impossible to counterfeit. Normal humans have 46 chromosomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome). However, the blood of Jesus from the ark has only 24 chromosomes (23 “X” from Mary, and 1 “Y” from God). This is very strong scientific evidence of the virgin birth (see Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; 3:23).

I need to do more research on this as karyotyping and archeology are not my areas, but I do know that DNA in the lab is VERY hard to keep even when preserved in lab settings.  So how would it be found, isolated, and chromosome number counted (with karyotyping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karyotype which is the way chromosomes are counted)? How was this done if the blood is supposedly 2000 years old?  I have to question this and further research into it for sure. 

But...if karyotyping can't be done on 2000 year old blood, then RW's story has some holes in it. 

I almost think TS is just entertaining possible scenarios of where the ark is, which one is real, which is fake, and maybe this is a test.  IDK. 

I need to do more research and study and read and study the post some more.

Love and peace.

Edit: and IF the DNA DID miraculously keep, my question would be: why hasn't the karyotype been shown to the world?  One of two possibilities: either 1. bias (publication: media and/or scientific) and thus a deliberate keeping of info from the public or 2. RW's results are not real results.  For the record: I am not sure about any of this yet.  I just get the feeling TS is testing us maybe.  IDK, I could be wrong.  I do know TS has taught me a lot the short time I have been here, but I am not taking everything he says just because he says it.  He was the one that taught me to research it and re-research it. 

Love.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 07:17:20 PM by bindupbrokenhearted »

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:01:02 PM
DNA can´t keep for so long and any result from it would be erroneous and incomplete.

R.Wyatt had an agenda to fulfill. He has never been approved by the academy and never considered his expeditions legal. He was a "biblic" pseudo-archeologist.
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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:15:50 PM
When I first read The Sign's post (and I've still only read it once), I noticed the end of it stopped mid-word.  I just went back to that post and now it appears that even more of the end has been cut off?

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
About the 2000+ year old blood, I found this (based on Ron Wyatt's explanation).

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Mr. Wyatt removed a sample of Christ's blood from the Mercy Seat of the Ark in the cave and paid a lab in Israel to do an analysis of the blood.  They put the dark dried-out substance in saline solution for 72 hours, then added a growth medium to the blood for 48 hours.  Mr. Wyatt asked them to do a chromosome test, but they informed him that he was wasting his money since you can't do a chromosome test on dead white blood cells.  They proceeded with the analysis and said, "It's your money."  As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes!  They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"  They couldn't believe what they were seeing!    They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!  Each cell contained only 24 chromosomes compared to the normal count of 46 that you and I have.  Christ received 23 chromosomes from Mary, and one "y" chromosome from His heavenly Father to designate a male child.  Others in the lab were asked to come see for themselves.  With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?"  Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah."  Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting.  No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!  Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth.  When these tests are repeated for all the world to see, everyone will learn that Jesus was more than a preacher, He was and is the Son of God!

From : http://www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm - you have to scroll just over half way down to find that particular paragraph. 

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
About the 2000+ year old blood, I found this (based on Ron Wyatt's explanation).

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Mr. Wyatt removed a sample of Christ's blood from the Mercy Seat of the Ark in the cave and paid a lab in Israel to do an analysis of the blood.  They put the dark dried-out substance in saline solution for 72 hours, then added a growth medium to the blood for 48 hours.  Mr. Wyatt asked them to do a chromosome test, but they informed him that he was wasting his money since you can't do a chromosome test on dead white blood cells.  They proceeded with the analysis and said, "It's your money."  As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes!  They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"  They couldn't believe what they were seeing!    They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!  Each cell contained only 24 chromosomes compared to the normal count of 46 that you and I have.  Christ received 23 chromosomes from Mary, and one "y" chromosome from His heavenly Father to designate a male child.  Others in the lab were asked to come see for themselves.  With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?"  Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah."  Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting.  No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!  Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth.  When these tests are repeated for all the world to see, everyone will learn that Jesus was more than a preacher, He was and is the Son of God!

From : http://www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm - you have to scroll just over half way down to find that particular paragraph. 

Hey Andrea!

Thanks for the link!

But...they still don't provide evidence.  Where is the karyotyping?  Where are the photomicrographs (pics of cells under microscope)?  If they found what they found, they should have this evidence.  Or they do have this evidence and don't show it for some reason (bias?  fear of repercussions? Conspiracy?)?  However, one thing is for sure, regardless of any topic, any conspiracy, making conclusions without evidence would never fly in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

I am open to all possibilities, just skeptical and need better evidence than what I have found thus far...

With peace and love.
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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:37:46 PM
Is "The Truth Will Prevail" the last section? and is it suppose to end with "intend to or not"? What was the last thing you read Andrea?

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
All I know is that all the signs are there (no pun intended) and if you understand the beasts of Revelation and the time prophecies in Daniel, it is pretty clear that we near the end. I have had the feeling for years that this bubble has to burst soon, something's in the air. We can say for sure when it happens, but I don't think that this can go on for another 100 years if you see how rapidly this world is falling apart. It actually amazes me. Even if you don't believe in the Bible prophecies (as I did only a short time ago) you at least would have to see that if nothing changes, we will destroy ourselves very soon.

this post resonates with my soul. a conversation our family has frequesntly and wholeheartedly believe in exactly everything you have mentioned. ecc.8:9 - man has dominated man to his injury.

i say bring it god on! we need change.

yes indeed, daniels prophecy and the prophecy of revelation, combined with jesus prohpetic words that detail signs of the 'last days' all indicate that this is the current time we live in, is in fact 'the last days' according to the bible (for those that believe it)

its not all doom and gloom. god welcomes you to receive salvation... (praise yah)

i will leave it at that to ensure i dont go too off topic.

my next post will be about the ark - promise!
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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Jermaine doesn't know shit. He just knows about the hoax. And for sure he has no idea about anything else. If Michael is not here then no one from the family reads this forum.


I thought again, I will not further this to the family, as they ignore most of the things, and if they do TS will say "The family didn't speak against me so this means they support me and the message I spread".


But I will further this to the authorities.

Okay, and you are going to tell them what exactly? That a Bible study was posted on a forum about RELIGION? I rather would have had it on here to be honest, but maybe TS is trying to avoid people like you by posting it there. Good luck Anna, and I will help you a hand with leaving, since you are one of the few I addressed in one of my recent posts. Your first comment in this thread is: I am not going to comment. What went wrong?

@bindupbrokenhearted: you are right, but that's totally my fault. TS had trouble posting again (that's why it said 'coming soon' first, so he asked me if I could do it for him, but I copied his file wrongly. There are some things he put in italic too in his original post as I see now, so I hope that I can fix that, but the last sentence is now fixed. Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks Souza!  It is just my virgo perfectionism coming out again :lol: 

One thing that I saw while reading over the post my first read through:

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Last, but certainly not least, the new covenant had to be signed with Christ’s literal blood; otherwise, there would be no way to verify the identity of Who signed. The main purpose of a signature is to verify the identity of the one who signed the contract. With handwritten ink, it’s difficult but possible to forge a signature and thereby give a false identity. With blood and DNA, it is even harder to falsify the identity.
With the blood that Ron Wyatt found on the mercy seat of the true ark, the identity is impossible to counterfeit. Normal humans have 46 chromosomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome). However, the blood of Jesus from the ark has only 24 chromosomes (23 “X” from Mary, and 1 “Y” from God). This is very strong scientific evidence of the virgin birth (see Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; 3:23).

I need to do more research on this as karyotyping and archeology are not my areas, but I do know that DNA in the lab is VERY hard to keep even when preserved in lab settings.  So how would it be found, isolated, and chromosome number counted (with karyotyping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karyotype which is the way chromosomes are counted)? How was this done if the blood is supposedly 2000 years old?  I have to question this and further research into it for sure. 

But...if karyotyping can't be done on 2000 year old blood, then RW's story has some holes in it. 

I almost think TS is just entertaining possible scenarios of where the ark is, which one is real, which is fake, and maybe this is a test.  IDK. 

I need to do more research and study and read and study the post some more.

Love and peace.

Edit: and IF the DNA DID miraculously keep, my question would be: why hasn't the karyotype been shown to the world?  One of two possibilities: either 1. bias (publication: media and/or scientific) and thus a deliberate keeping of info from the public or 2. RW's results are not real results.  For the record: I am not sure about any of this yet.  I just get the feeling TS is testing us maybe.  IDK, I could be wrong.  I do know TS has taught me a lot the short time I have been here, but I am not taking everything he says just because he says it.  He was the one that taught me to research it and re-research it. 

Love.

Since I am an eternal skeptic, this quote raised in me these questions:

1. How do they know it is blood from Jesus? It could be anythings blood if it even is blood.

2. On what basis do they assume 1 chromosome is from God? How do you verify this is so and doesn't the father contribute half of the chromosmes therefore if this was the case there should be 12 Y chromosomes?

3. Human DNA has 46 chromosomes (23 from mother and 23 from father) or 47 if Down syndrome. How can a substance only showing 24 chromosomes be considered human?

Item of interest: VITACEAE: family of flowering plants including the GRAPEVINE. Most species have 38 chromosomes but CISSUS has 24. Maybe what appears to be blood was simply spilt wine!

4. To confirm the identity of an individual by their DNA you need to be able to compare that sample with one from either the mother, the father or the individual themselves. This is the purpose of 'cheek cell sampling' when trying to determine a murderers identity from a given sample of people. Since we have none of those in regards to this sample conclusions as to it's origin should be made with caution imo.

5. When would Jesus have been able to come into contact with the mercy seat of the true ark?

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
@melody - Yes it was the 'Truth will prevail' section.  I think that's the last section as it's number 21.  The last word I originally read was 'Go' and I think it was supposed to be 'God'.  Being on the side of God or something to that effect.

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:46:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt

Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 – August 4, 1999) was an adventurer and former nurse anaesthetist noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, among other Bible-related pseudoarchaeology. His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals.

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:47:41 PM
About the 2000+ year old blood, I found this (based on Ron Wyatt's explanation).

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Mr. Wyatt removed a sample of Christ's blood from the Mercy Seat of the Ark in the cave and paid a lab in Israel to do an analysis of the blood.  They put the dark dried-out substance in saline solution for 72 hours, then added a growth medium to the blood for 48 hours.  Mr. Wyatt asked them to do a chromosome test, but they informed him that he was wasting his money since you can't do a chromosome test on dead white blood cells.  They proceeded with the analysis and said, "It's your money."  As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes!  They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"  They couldn't believe what they were seeing!    They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!  Each cell contained only 24 chromosomes compared to the normal count of 46 that you and I have.  Christ received 23 chromosomes from Mary, and one "y" chromosome from His heavenly Father to designate a male child.  Others in the lab were asked to come see for themselves.  With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?"  Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah."  Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting.  No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!  Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth.  When these tests are repeated for all the world to see, everyone will learn that Jesus was more than a preacher, He was and is the Son of God!

From : http://www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm - you have to scroll just over half way down to find that particular paragraph. 

Hey Andrea!

Thanks for the link!

But...they still don't provide evidence.  Where is the karyotyping?  Where are the photomicrographs (pics of cells under microscope)?  If they found what they found, they should have this evidence.  Or they do have this evidence and don't show it for some reason (bias?  fear of repercussions? Conspiracy?)?  However, one thing is for sure, regardless of any topic, any conspiracy, making conclusions without evidence would never fly in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

I am open to all possibilities, just skeptical and need better evidence than what I have found thus far...

With peace and love.


I'm not sure what evidence was presented at the time.  If the above actually happened and the wrong people found out, then there could've been a cover up, or evidence destroyed. 

And you're welcome for the link!  I haven't read it all through myself yet, maybe there will be more answers.  I will be studying other sites as well so as to not base my research on one or two sources.

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:49:10 PM
Why does it say at the end of the post.

« Last Edit: January 21, 2012, 10:38:01 PM by ~Souza~ » when the post came from "The Sing" member?

Whatever, I am just amazed seeing how Michael Jackson´s theme has been push on the side for that.


Michael's 'theme' is as much around on here as ever, there is just less news. If you have any hoax topics to start, please do so because I (and apparently many others) haven't any. About the editing, simply read the thread on here and find your answer. Nothing mysterious there to conspire about, sorry.

As for the rest:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

It might be TS posting, but both the forums are mine and I have a final say in what will be allowed to post and what not. So that means when TS is being violently attacked, I feel violently attacked as well for having it on here. Clearly stage one (ridicule) is passed us, and now we are at stage two. I could do two things:

1. I bend and remove this from the forum(s) and will make some people on here happy that it's gone.
2. I stand by my trust in TS, my own common sense and will stand for what I believe is right.

Those who have been around long enough will know that option 1 is not an option for me. So if you don't agree with certain decisions I make, then that's okay. Like I explained in my blog: I will be tha LAST person to tell you to read your Bible, so I won't. I also said I respect everyone's beliefs (or lack of for that matter). I got interested in the Bible not because of TS, but because of Michael and no one else. I also have a strong belief that this particular subject is something that has interested Michael for a very long time. The fact that he says to Batshit that he doesn't want to die, or grow old even, is for me undeniable proof that Michael  believes in the EOW and eternal life after it. He has been studying the Bible his whole life, and he did not do that because he didn't believe a word it says. This forum is about Michael's hoax; absolutely true, but this hoax can not be understood without understanding his life, and Michael himself puts God above his own mother who he adores so much (Moonwalk). That means God -and therefore His WORDS as well- is VERY important to him. I want to know what Michael's big lifework is about, what his plan is and therefore I choose to study what he studied. It's important hoaxwise because it's important Michaelwise, and this forum is about Michael. Why is it okay to discuss his views on music, life itself or movies, but not his beliefs? Why would that be less important when he himself has said so many times how important it is for him? I don't get the strong reactions. Is it because TS says the world will end soon? Does that scare you? It doesn't scare me for a second and I would be happy if it happened tomorrow. The religions believing in the EOW have the same kind of evidence that we have about the hoax, and even stronger in my opinion.

We (as hoaxers) have been ridiculed and are now being violently opposed, simply because we can not give them the truth (Michael in this case0 on a silver platter. But we know we are right. We know stage three will come one day soon. We know that because we have read the threads on this forum, connected dots, depicted every tiny bit of evidence to strengthen our faith and to show people that we are not crazy. But some don't want to see it or even read up upon it because it would go against their own beliefs about Michael. There are far more non-believers than believers and yet we know that we (the minority) will have the last laugh. Does that mean that all theories are right, or that even one of the members on here has it all figured out? I don't think so. There are thousands of members on this forum, and not two of them agree completely on everything. That means that out of roughly 5000 members, AT LEAST 4999 members have it wrong. What are the odds that that 1 member has it all figured out? Same with all the thousands of christian religions in the world, I don't think that there is one religion that has it all right, that is why I will never be a part of any of them. But as a whole, they all share the same belief: God is real, Jesus is real and the Bible is truth. Just like we all have the same belief that Michael is alive. This hoax is one big parallel with the Bible and it doesn't matter what you believe or what I believe, it matters what Michael believes because he is directing this show. So in order to understand his message we should study what he studied. That doesn't mean you have to believe it too but it should be at least worth reading.

I know that my decision on this will make members leave. I would hate to see some go, I would be glad if certain others left (although some will leave this week for other reasons, as I posted about before). Gema, you know I disagree with you most of the time and vice versa, but I like you as a person and I like your humor, so I hope that you will decide to stay here, whether or not you choose to read the religious threads. They can be ignored by those not interested, everyone has an own free will. Seeing that many opposition, attacks, ridicule and accusations even strengthen my faith that I am doing the right thing by allowing it on here, because it's history repeating. Only eight people were ready when the flood came, even less when brimstone came out of heaven at Sodom and Gomorra. I bet Noah was ridiculed and attacked, but we all know who had the last laugh. The more I study the Bible, the more I understand in this hoax, and the more peace of mind it gives me. Maybe there will only be a handful left at the end, possible, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong on this.

So to everyone that wants to leave because of this: I will not hold you down or try to convince you. Some I might miss, some I might miss like migraine, but if you have to go then just go.

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:51:22 PM
It is written that during the last supper, the 12 disciples drank the blood of Jesus.  Blood of my blood. Flesh of my flesh.  Now it is alleged that he had living blood  :shock: Would give a whole new meaning to the phrase, “that where you may go, I will be also, even until the end of age." 
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
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   and leaving me Speechless!

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:51:50 PM


Since I am an eternal skeptic, this quote raised in me these questions:

1. How do they know it is blood from Jesus? It could be anythings blood if it even is blood.

2. On what basis do they assume 1 chromosome is from God? How do you verify this is so and doesn't the father contribute half of the chromosmes therefore if this was the case there should be 12 Y chromosomes?

3. Human DNA has 46 chromosomes (23 from mother and 23 from father) or 47 if Down syndrome. How can a substance only showing 24 chromosomes be considered human?

Item of interest: VITACEAE: family of flowering plants including the GRAPEVINE. Most species have 38 chromosomes but CISSUS has 24. Maybe what appears to be blood was simply spilt wine!

4. To confirm the identity of an individual by their DNA you need to be able to compare that sample with one from either the mother, the father or the individual themselves. This is the purpose of 'cheek cell sampling' when trying to determine a murderers identity from a given sample of people. Since we have none of those in regards to this sample conclusions as to it's origin should be made with caution imo.

5. When would Jesus have been able to come into contact with the mercy seat of the true ark?



You bring up some good points and questions Heartsong!  At this point, RW's story and claims seem like they have a lot of holes, but I am still open to researching all possibilities.  But...yes, you raised a lot of good questions.  It is good to be skeptical and so am I.

I think RW claimed that number 5 was due to a crack and blood falling in that crack.  On the link Andrea provided:  http://www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm  Not saying I believe this right now, just saying that is what RW claimed.

Love.

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Re: TIAI January 21

  • on: January 21, 2012, 07:53:37 PM
As for more words disappearing, I am totally fucking up TS' post. I am adding the italics (as explained in one of my posts above/previous page(s), but it seems there is a limit of words. Probably why TS couldn't get it up himself. I will (for now) post 21 in a new post under the topic and email TS back and ask him what he wants, because this post is driving me nuts.

 

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