Polish President Lech Kaczynski dies in plane crash...

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Offline VeryLittleSusie

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The saddest thing is that the place of the tragedy is the same as in 1940. In 1940, during the war the Russians killed thousands people of Polish elite in the Katyn Forest.
Now, the Polish elite dies there again.... I personally lost people with whom my institution cooperated. Those were great patriots, people who really cared about our country...
This tragedy is very, very symbolic for us.
 Please, read about the 1940 tragedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
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Yes, a big tragedy... I hope this is really an accident... Buf if it's not, it's that I think, the people who make this are worse than the russians of 1940 during the Katyn massacre. Why ? Because they act in the darkness, with nobody for see them, and nobody for telling the truth. They kill, and they lie to the people of all the world.
During Katyn massacre, the context was war. But nowadays, it's worse. The context is power and money. Some people kill and then lie.

I don't say Katyn massacre is nothing, I say that nowadays, the killers are cowards, liars who pay tribute the next day with their suits and their false democracy...  :cry:

Today the schemes of the powerful are only secret knocks. And us, people, get up on the morning, go to work, go to watch news, go to bed, get up on the morning...
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i understand that the plain crashed in the same place where years ago other tragedy happened.
maybe is something sopernatural...u know what i mean
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the Polish people  :(
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There are rumours in our media that president Kaczynski personally ordered the pilot to not take a deviation to MInsk or Moscow because he did not want to be late for the ceremony.

The analysis results of the voice recorders should provide more evidence.
It's all speculation for the time being.
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Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
The saddest thing is that the place of the tragedy is the same as in 1940. In 1940, during the war the Russians killed thousands people of Polish elite in the Katyn Forest.
Now, the Polish elite dies there again.... I personally lost people with whom my institution cooperated. Those were great patriots, people who really cared about our country...
This tragedy is very, very symbolic for us.
 Please, read about the 1940 tragedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Thanks for the link.  I'm sorry for your loss.
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Yes, it happened 20 km from the place of massacre in 1940. There's a huge symbollism in it. Our President and other prominents were on their way to honour those who were killed 70 years ago. There was the anniversary celebration prepared in that place. The President was about to give a very powerful speech. We were all waiting for one word from Russian Government - "We apologise". This never said apology was an obstacle in our mutual relationships over the past decades. I am not saying about the ordinary people - Russian People are wonderful, I love them very much! I am talking about governments - because this mass murder from 1940 influenced our whole history. For decades, we were told that this murder was commited by Nazis. Until the fall of Communism - only then the truth was finally admitted.
There is a film about these tragic events from 1940 entitled "Katy?" by Andrzej Wajda - if someone of you are interested - I strongly recommend it to you. It will be shown on TV I guess, all over the world right now - to honour the memory of all the officers murdered in the Katy? forest.

Please, don't think It was a murder conspiracy - it was an accident. A very tragic and symbolic one. An eye opener for the whole world. Looks like the ghosts of those killed 70 years ago demanded to be honoured by the whole world for once and for all.

Thank you very much for your support. We need it so much. People are queuing for 8-9 hours too see the coffins of our President and his wife... It is a very hard time for all of us.
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There's no conspiracy (I live in Russia). it's awful weather conditions (fog). The pilot tried to land 4 times and (they guess) the fuel was over and the plane crashed.
It's a big loss for Russians too, because it had to be very important event that could warm russian-polish relationship.
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You will not believe this. There were gun shots heard by eyewitnesses at the crashed plane. Chase wild dogs? Foxes, cats or wolves? There's a video:

[youtube:ls2g6867]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R4KdN6vNQ[/youtube:ls2g6867]

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This video gives the location of the crash - apparently just in front of the airport.
Who shot why on which target?

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Poland did not join the swine flu vaccination campaign and was reluctant towards the Lissabon treaty.
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I just read that the person who took that video was assassinated. interesting.

[youtube:b4bhtgcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c_5JBs0wFY[/youtube:b4bhtgcw]

Another good blog that is talking about this:

http://thetruthergirls.wordpress.com/
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Yes, I read recently that Poland was not going to put this vaccine .. Thanks to Grace and MDM77 by placing the videos and the link, which they did with the man in the hospital is scary, but horror¡ :shock:

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I wish at least a couple of ministers like this in every country:

[youtube:3vjb4uoq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZesZe33cw&feature=related[/youtube:3vjb4uoq]

[youtube:3vjb4uoq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpeP8Unzr8c[/youtube:3vjb4uoq]
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You are right somekindofsign to her about what many leaders have not, as we say down here ( " esta mujer las tiene bien puestas ") ;)

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There's more in the web about it:

a report from Jane Burgermeister
[youtube:g5kpfob8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUkobHYAlk[/youtube:g5kpfob8]

the deputy head of the Polish Church was killed in a car accident returning home from funeral ceremonies for President Lech Kaczynski
http://http://ctpatriot1970.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/shots-fired-video-andrei-mendierej-who-filmed-polish-plane-crash-video-has-been-assasinated/

April 21, 2010
Andrei Mendierej, the amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead.
He was stabbed near Kijow, and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow.
There three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him three more times. Andrei was pronounced dead that afternoon.

The pilot's bodies are said to be missing.

A comment on the site ctpatriot1970 claims that polish prime minister Tusk met with Vladimir Putin 3 days before the official ceremony and assumes a connection.
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Not wise I nothing of All the Details That surround the Death of the Polish President, in deed That THIS IS worrying very, these people " detain before anything in yes it is Yes, gives me anger... That The majority of the People ignores THESE Things.

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Quote from: "Grace"
There's more in the web about it:

a report from Jane Burgermeister
[youtube:v055rd78]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUkobHYAlk[/youtube:v055rd78]

the deputy head of the Polish Church was killed in a car accident returning home from funeral ceremonies for President Lech Kaczynski
http://http://ctpatriot1970.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/shots-fired-video-andrei-mendierej-who-filmed-polish-plane-crash-video-has-been-assasinated/

April 21, 2010
Andrei Mendierej, the amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead.
He was stabbed near Kijow, and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow.
There three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him three more times. Andrei was pronounced dead that afternoon.

The pilot's bodies are said to be missing.

A comment on the site ctpatriot1970 claims that polish prime minister Tusk met with Vladimir Putin 3 days before the official ceremony and assumes a connection.

Tragedy after tragedy. And no one in the police departments or possible witnesses want to speak up because they'll likely be murdered to.  People always say, be careful what you write in regards to "conspiracies", but when people are quiet about injustice, that is how unjust governments take root.  "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  If we stop talking about it, we are making it easier for people to get away with murder.
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Quote from: Grace
There's more in the web about it:

a report from Jane Burgermeister
[youtube:v055rd78]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUkobHYAlk[/youtube:v055rd78]

the deputy head of the Polish Church was killed in a car accident returning home from funeral ceremonies for President Lech Kaczynski
http://ctpatriot1970.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/shots-fired-video-andrei-mendierej-who-filmed-polish-plane-crash-video-has-been-assasinated/

April 21, 2010
Andrei Mendierej, the amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead.
He was stabbed near Kijow, and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow.
There three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him three more times. Andrei was pronounced dead that afternoon.

The pilot's bodies are said to be missing.

A comment on the site ctpatriot1970 claims that polish prime minister Tusk met with Vladimir Putin 3 days before the official ceremony and assumes a connection.

Tragedy after tragedy. And no one in the police departments or possible witnesses want to speak up because they'll likely be murdered to.  People always say, be careful what you write in regards to "conspiracies", but when people are quiet about injustice, that is how unjust governments take root.  "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."  If we stop talking about it, we are making it easier for people to get away with murder.

Nynyro ,talking about tragedy here,this is what happened some days ago,but the intresting part is that the military prosecutor that tried to commit suicide survived  :shock: !!!! OMG how is this possible to survive if you shut yourself in the head ????? Is this another HOAX or what  :idea:  :shock: ?????

A military prosecutor tried to commit suicide following a news conference on the investigation into a plane crash that killed the Polish president in 2010.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ_iAtX0erw&feature=related[/youtube]

Poland Army Prosecutor Mikolaj Przybyl Shoots Himself

WARSAW, Poland — A military prosecutor in western Poland shot himself in the head Monday after defending the work of his office and rejecting planned reforms, officials and media said Monday.

Col. Mikolaj Przybyl survived the shooting that happened inside his office in the city of Poznan, minutes after he read a statement to reporters and then asked them to briefly get out.

Przybyl is a deputy head of the prosecutor's office in Poznan and the head of a local department investigating organized crime in the army.

A footage broadcast by TVN24 station, whose camera was left rolling after reporters left, shows Przybyl walking across his office and out of sight before a gunshot can be heard.

Hospital director Leslaw Lenartowicz said Przybyl is in stable condition, conscious, and his life is not in danger. Przybyl suffered injuries to the face, he said.

Chief Military Prosecutor, Krzysztof Parulski said that Przybyl was one of the "best prosecutors" and a "man of honor."

President Bronislaw Komorowski and Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin were closely monitoring an investigation into the shooting, their offices said.

Some lawmakers are calling for a special parliament probe into the case, saying that Przybyl's statement suggests a massive corruption problem in the army.

Moments before shooting himself, Przybyl read a statement to reporters in which he objected to plans by Prosecutor General Andrzej Seremet to put military prosecutors under civilian authority. Seremet said that such a decision was under discussion, but has not been made yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/poland-mikolaj-przybyl_n_1193492.html

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It may look like a hoax but the claims someone disturbed him by entering the room so his hand slipped a little bit and his bullet just destroyed his cheek...
He's in the hospital and he is fine. They say there is a war between the prosecutors (a military one and the civil one). They want to dissolve the military one... so his suicide attempt was a kind of a protest....
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As to the Smolensk crash they discovered today (by identifying voices in the cokpit) that General Blasik wasn't pressuring the pilots to land no matter what... So the main thesis of the Russian Report that Gen. Blasik was drunk and was ordering the pilots to land and the pilots were stressed proves to be totally false...
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