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Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 02:15:05 AM
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
Remember remember the fifth of November.

back talks about how nothing is coincidence on Nov 5th, and V said "There is no such thing as coincidence, only the illusion of coincidence."


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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.

It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...

Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.

Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
Plus wasn't that the day Evan Chandler died?


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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
^ I think it was.

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
Evan Chandler commited suicide on 11/5/09, yes. The story was reported in the news on 11/17/09, day of Emerald City redirect by TS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG.

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R15. Emerald City
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG}

This was another photo, found on the Wikipedia page for “Emerald City”, from the Wizard of Oz.  The picture includes not only Emerald City in the background, but also the Yellow Brick Road in the foreground.  Of course the bricks here represent the same basic thing as the last redirect (wall with bricks): individual clues that need to be put together and followed, in order to arrive at the destination (Emerald City).

Although far too long to include here, there is a very good description of the hidden meanings in the Wizard of Oz.  And this interpretation fits very well with the bigger message that TIAI was trying to get across {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/this-is-also-it-t3233-350.htm}.

This redirect was intentionally done on November 17 (10 + 7 = 17), because that day was a special one night showing of the 70th (10 x 7 = 70) anniversary of the Wizard of Oz.  {http://www.ncm.com/Fathom/Premiere/WizardofOz_Encore.aspx}



And at this point, I need to bring up a subject that is very sad; but it still needs to be mentioned—both to help validate TIAI, and to help vindicate MJ.  The redirect for November 5 was “V for Vendetta” (remember, remember, the 5th of November); and the redirect for November 17 was “Emerald City”.

What happened on November 5 of significance?  Three things, all related to MJ: the largest hoax forum (MJHD.com) was going down (again), the TIAI “V” redirect, and Evan Chandler committed suicide.  Just in case anyone doesn’t know, he was the one who initiated the molestation charges against MJ; and he was the father of Jordan Chandler, who was supposedly molested.  {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}

Then on November 17, TIAI redirected to the picture from Emerald City on Wikipedia; and on this same day the news came out that Evan Chandler had committed suicide.  Did TIAI choose this “Emerald City” redirect after the news came out, to show the November 5 Vendetta fulfillment?  No, because the redirection was done late in the preceding day—between about 10:00pm and midnight (California time)—on November 16.  Furthermore, the November 17 special showing had already been planned long before; prior to November 16, and even prior to November 5!

Then was this yet another grand coincidence?  No.  Actually, whether you believe it or not, it was the hand of God!  This was part of God’s plan to help vindicate MJ’s character; this was part of God’s plan to use Michael in his battle against the evil conspiracies in this world, etc.  But the mainstream media never reported anything about this suicide—why not?  When the media jumps on just about anything related to MJ, why the “dead” silence on this?  It is simple: because the media does not want to see MJ vindicated.

Some have said that Evan Chandler committed suicide—not because of guilt over the MJ situation, but because of health problems.  However, a guilty conscience was very likely a major source of his poor health (see Proverbs 17:22).

Finally, there is a similar situation in the Bible, the case of Judas.  He also committed suicide, because of a guilty conscience (see Matthew 27:3-5).  And although this was a terrible thing—yet it was prophesied in advance (see Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12,13; John 13:18-21); and when it came true, the fulfillment of the prophecy was also put on record (see Matthew 27:6-10; Luke 22:48; etc).  Let both of these cases (Evan Chandler and Judas) be a warning to each one of us: if we have done wrong, we should confess and make things right.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
Nothing is by chance or coincidence. Appear in my life at the right moment. Thank you for continuing to there MJ

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 07:44:17 PM
THANK YOU Bec for all of these.  I couldn't read all of back's posts previously and now I can read them  /woohoo/

And thank you Souza for the hard work you do.  You two rock! 

I don't understand many of back's posts, but I hope hindsight will be granted and will be 20/20.   /white flag/

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 08:50:49 PM
Bec you do good job indeed, but I am not convinced that TS is MJ. TS's posts more of the analysis by nature and giving members ways for consideration.
I highly doubt TS is Michael or even one of his sibblings. To me TS is much of a believer with good analythical thinking skills rather than even knower. I
can be wrong, that's my impression.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 10:12:30 PM
This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.

It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...

Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.

Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...

I really like having these broke out too - so thank you for doing this. It will make it much easier to read and discuss.

Anyway, I'm trying to find where TS posted about V for Vendetta but I am having trouble locating it. Can you post a link?

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Lil wendy has been tracking the re-directs ever so awesomely for us.

http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/

It shows the re-direct for Nov 5/09 as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_%28film%29

Interestingly enough, the day before was about 2012  (movie)  http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/


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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 09, 2012, 10:25:26 PM
Hi Voice...this was TS' 'explanation' for the V redirect, it was in TIAI Revealed, Part 3:

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R4. V for Vendetta (Wikipedia Article)
{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)}

This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”.  What exactly happened of significance on this day?  Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}.  This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).

Aside from the significance of the November 5 date, this redirect was chosen because it is another movie about corruption in the government.  And redirect number 38 was a quote from this film: “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

The clues in this redirect were not very obscure; and MJalive999 did an excellent job of showing the “V for Vendetta” parallels with MJ, in his YouTube video {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFpn45po5A}.  You can also see some good artwork on this (and other TIAI redirects) at the myspace page for ThisIsAlsoMJ {http://www.myspace.com/thisisalsomj}.

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1926.msg27563#msg27563

Hope that helps  ::P

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 12:19:59 AM
Thank you for this - it does help a little. I guess what I'm trying to determine is who posted first, BACK or TS and how far apart in time were their posts.

Also - the date said November 5th but wasn't there a comment earlier in the old BACK thread that suggested the date is off due to the person who saved the screenshot? Did I remember that correctly or was it proven that these dates are true?

LilWendy has been a great source of information - very true. Many thanks to her too :)

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 02:50:33 AM

This is one of many many posts made on November 5th by back.

It's very interesting to note... that while back was in a 11/5 posting frenzy on MJJC, TS was redirecting to V for Vendetta. Ah, back in the day...

Anyway, it's a huge connection so far as I'm concerned, one that took TIME to discover by looking BACK, lol. TS brings up V for Vendetta to us for the first time on 11/5/09, and meanwhile simultaneously across cyberspace, back is over at MJJC posting up a storm about his Vendetta against the board members who are dissing the Jacksons... especially Ms. Katherine.

Co(o)incidence??? Well just refer to the above...
 

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Evan Chandler commited suicide on 11/5/09, yes. The story was reported in the news on 11/17/09, day of Emerald City redirect by TS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emerald.JPG.

TS R.15
Some have said that Evan Chandler committed suicide—not because of guilt over the MJ situation, but because of health problems.  However, a guilty conscience was very likely a major source of his poor health (see Proverbs 17:22).

Finally, there is a similar situation in the Bible, the case of Judas.  He also committed suicide, because of a guilty conscience (see Matthew 27:3-5).  And although this was a terrible thing—yet it was prophesied in advance (see Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12,13; John 13:18-21); and when it came true, the fulfillment of the prophecy was also put on record (see Matthew 27:6-10; Luke 22:48; etc).  Let both of these cases (Evan Chandler and Judas) be a warning to each one of us: if we have done wrong, we should confess and make things right.


TS R.4

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This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”.  What exactly happened of significance on this day?  Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}.  This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).


So Back and TS were both posting that day, with Back hinting that there is no coincidences and TS (Back?) making connections between: Emerald City, V for Vendetta, MJDH going down, and Evan Chandler's suicide.  I remember being terribly upset that the site went down, and then when TS posted about E merald C ity and Evan Chandler's suicide, I was freaked out! It seemed like he knew beforehand or was involved as a vendetta.

Also it is interesting how TS continually uses Scripture for pointing out things relating to MJ, and not using them to point to Jesus.


In R.17 he quotes:

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“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.” (John 14:29, NKJV)....
just before John 14:29; verse 28 says: “You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’”.




But most interesting is the comparison of Evan C. to Judas above. Again TS is indirectly comparing Michael to Jesus, just as Back does boldly in his 7-day theory post.

Judas betrayed Jesus and led the Roman soldiers to Jesus;  Evan betrayed Michael by allowing his son close access to MJ, and then led the LAPD and Sneddon to him, and to ultimately an unfair trial full of false accusations, and brutal destruction of his character and reputation.  When Judas felt remorse he threw the 30 pieces of silver in the temple, and hung himself.  The religious leaders used the money to purchase a field to bury strangers in, called the Field of Blood  (reminds me of Blood on the dance floor).  I wonder if EC ended up donating the $20 million or part of it that he got from MJ, to some charity?

On a lighter note I hope no one is offended, but I couldn't resist putting this video of Arnold Schwarzenegger shooting Judas in Jesus of Nazareth--The Greatest Action Story Ever Told.
I like what Arnold says right at the end, "Don't worry, he'll (Jesus) be back."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrufPxjwX0


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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
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    This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”.  What exactly happened of significance on this day?  Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}.  This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).


MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 08:38:31 PM
MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 10:25:34 PM
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    This was the redirect for November 5 (2009); and of course, this is a key date in the movie: “remember, remember, the 5th of November”.  What exactly happened of significance on this day?  Three things, all directly related to MJ: first, this TIAI redirect; second, MJHD was going down again; third, Evan Chandler committed suicide {in case anyone doesn’t know who he is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson}.  This third one will be examined further in the redirect for November 17 (see R15, in Part 5).


MJonmind - I agree, a lot of people were upset when the forum went down. It makes me wonder if our TS is someone from the media/tabloid world. Someone who might have information regarding Chandler before anyone else? But then, they'd have no control over the date (November 5th). I admit that I am thoroughly confused. What is the significance of MJHD going down? Is TS responsible for that? What's the purpose of this? And if so then he/she is collaborating with the admin, right? Or TS is possibly one of the admin...

Ah yes, my old favorite topic of conversation, the original mjhd.com and it's "ADMIN". The mysterious "AMY" but not Amy, someone else maybe? No can't be, it's really just "AMY", you know, Amy from Australia. Right.

That whole thing was shady and full of weirdness. The old Admin the new "ADMIN", the old mod group, the new mod group, can't talk about this, can't talk about that, posts deleted, posts edited, topics deleted, topics edited. High esteem members witch hunted and targeted and accusations hurled around, flaky goo-goo newbies elevated to esteemed status. Bizarre. Just the weirdest fucking circus I have ever seen in my life... it can't have been for real. Knowing now what I didn't know back then, it is easier to see and understand the motives and purpose of what happened there.

Yes I believe MJ was behind that in a facet, yes indeed I do. Yes I believe there was a plan and a mapped out process for how everything went down. Take that how you want to.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
I just wonder how MJ would feel having his name associated with people who do those kind of shady things and treating his fans poorly.
I would hope he would NEVER want his name attached to people like.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 11:17:22 PM
I think it was him. Actually.

All for love, of course, but somethings are meant to be viewed best in hindsight.

In retrospect, he did nothing, except be familiar with human nature, especially the dark side of it. It was others that took advantage of the situation, regular trolls, normal people acting ugly, myself included. I learned a very important lesson from all that. Souza became much stronger for it. I know, I watched it happen.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 11:21:49 PM
I just wonder how MJ would feel having his name associated with people who do those kind of shady things and treating his fans poorly.
I would hope he would NEVER want his name attached to people like.

I agree anewfan. That was before my time on the forum but I've caught bits and pieces, like Bec mentions. Would MJ be a part of that?

Bec, I'm curious as to why do you think MJ has/had something to do with that. I'm sure you have compelling reasons why you say what you do.

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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 10, 2012, 11:23:59 PM
I think it was him. Actually.

All for love, of course, but somethings are meant to be viewed best in hindsight.

In retrospect, he did nothing, except be familiar with human nature, especially the dark side of it. It was others that took advantage of the situation, regular trolls, normal people acting ugly, myself included. I learned a very important lesson from all that. Souza became much stronger for it. I know, I watched it happen.

Interesting thoughts. But if Amy was MJ why would he release the site to Badkolo and Souza? Any thoughts on that or am I misunderstanding things, which is highly possible.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 11, 2012, 12:02:51 AM
Sell. Sold. Not released. Sold for a few hundred dollars to be exact.

I don't want to get into it too much because it's all pure speculation on my part. I might be wrong about some stuff and I might be right about some stuff but I don't know, you know?

Let's just say I think it was all meant to work out just as it did.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 11, 2012, 12:42:37 AM
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I agree with you Bec.  The only way that MJ could have risen to the top and held the sharks at bay for 50+ years, and juggled 50 chainsaws of talents, charms and geniusness-- was because he had to be ruthless/bad in a good way. I'm assuming that many people who have been part of the MJ death scenario as professionals in their field, were not aware it was a hoax. I would assume this would apply to the internet domain as well, in arranging sites and admins and mods.  No one really knows who is who.

One of the main reasons I feel Souza is who she says she is, is early on she was being interviewed by some reporter about the death hoax, and I could hear her voice and dutch accent, talking about some of the main points of the hoax including the DD interview if I recall correctly.  She did a great job by the way!  So when I read her posts I always attach that voice somehow.  I haven't heard/seen anyone else here except for the recent jhero video where we hear him talking about this Main Attraction impersonator. Otherwise you can only get to know people through their writing and imagine what they look/sound like, and they could be anybody.  All I heard about this Amy was that she felt under attack with death threats and she was into diaper fetishes of all things! Now it is that fact ALONE that makes me suspicious that she could really have been our MJ (Doo-doo), without anyone realizing it.  And by the way, the song on the Main Attraction site was, "She's Not A Lady".  Who knows what hints and whispers are all around us.  I'm just putting out feelers, I really know nothing of behind the scenes of course. :D
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 11, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
Diaper fetish.

And there was a diaper on the "death bed".

And all this talk of condom catheters and urine bags.

mmhmm.

He kicked my ass off the forum for not dropping the subject that mjhd.com was part of the hoax. Well, "he". I wouldn't let it go for weeks at a time, as per my usual, but I couldn't get 3 words out about it in chat before they kicked me and my posts were removed of the forum. There was a zero tolerance policy on "questioning" "AMY", even though I was just questioning there was an Amy at all.That really pissed me off, lol.

I couldn't figure out why this SHOULDN'T be a topic of convo, it was so obvious something was up and that website almost had to be in on it, considering the timing and the content of the original blog and all, we SHOULD be talking about this. Not taking no for an answer on that one made me a target for the NEW mod crew backed by their shadowy, suspicious identity "ADMIN"...

mmhmm.

Maybe just crazy talk. We may never find out for sure.
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Re: Nothing is by cooincidence-back post 11/5/2009

  • on: January 11, 2012, 02:27:47 AM
Wow, how often I have wished I'd been around from the beginning - to have witnessed first hand the evolution of this site.  It has intrigued me from the start - my start that is, around April 2010, how the site, with all it's info on possible hows and whys of the hoax and almost everything 'wrapped up', (I believe 'we' have overcomplicated things enormously since!) could've emerged so quickly after 25th June if it was any old random member of Joe Public behind it.  I've always suspected MJ, or someone in his camp, 'engineered' things to turn out the way they did. (Much like I think he may have a hand in TINI as well!)

I may be way off, of course, crazy talk, like Bec!

 

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