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It's funny this topic of doubt.  Last year I had the good fortune of traveling to England for the first time....what an amazing country.  I traveled to William Shakespeare's birthplace......Stratford-upon-Avon.  I remember reading so much about him there and prior to the trip.  For some reason, I always go looking to see what Shakespeare says on a subject and here it is:

"Modest doubt is called the beacon of the wise."

the quote I truly love is this one:

"Doubt that the stars are fire, doubt that the sun doth move, doubt truth to be a liar, but never doubt I love."

The first quote tells me that a little doubt, used in the correct manner, can produce wisdom.  Learning to doubt the correct things, at the correct times, might help one to gain the knowledge they seek.  However, don't be so negative and full of doubt that you sink your own ship.  You can easily talk yourself right out of your true path in life. 

The second quote tells me that the even the stars and sun are not without doubt.  It reminds me that we know so little about this vast universe.  To uncover the real truth of a subject, one must go through a doubting process.  Almost like a process of elimination.  There are always many facets of what the truth might be.  I remember Michael's words: "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons". The final part...never doubt I love.  For the greatest of these is love.....never doubt that. 

I recently had a good friend help me out....when I was doubting myself and all my reasons for being here and believing so much in this hoax.  Doubt creeps in like the devil in disguise......it squashed my faith in myself, if even for a moment.  But, doubt will persist because it's part of human nature.  Thank you dear friend for helping me through.........

Doubting can lead to a more profound faith...once you truly believe.  Don't be a Doubting Thomas, but doubt enough to think with reason and come to faith in your decision....and believe.

Blessings Always

Great post wishingstar!! Sending you my LOVE, always!

I like this quote also:

Doubt is a profound and effective spiritual motivator. Without doubt, no truism is transcended, no new knowledge found, no expansion of the imagination possible. Doubt is unsettling to the ego, and those who are drawn to ideologies that promise the dispelling of doubt by proffering certainties will never grow. In seeking certainty they are courting the death of the soul, whose nature is forever churning possibility, forever seeking the larger, forever riding the melting edge of certainty's glacier.


JAMES HOLLIS, Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life

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This post from Back shows that HE believes that 'doubt is the greatest self motivator'.  Whoever Back is...HE, at some point, through his experiences in life LEARNED this.  This isn't something instinctual (we aren't born knowing this)...it is learned in the course of our lives and depending on your experiences, 'doubt' in yourself or in others, can have a lasting negative or positive effect.  Based on Back's post and the wording of it...I'd say that HIS experiences led him to see 'doubt' as a positive thing.  And I concur with Back  :lol:

Love these quotes:

"Doubt isn't the opposite of faith; it is an element of faith"

"Doubt is an incentive to truth, and patient inquiry leadeth the way"

"Believe your beliefs and doubt your doubts"

"If knowing answers to life's questions is absolutely necessary to you, then forget the journey. You will never make it, for this is a journey of unknowables -- of unanswered questions, enigmas, incomprehensibles, and, most of all, things unfair"

@WishingStar, Love4Michael and Sarahli...loved your posts  ::P

With L.O.V.E. always.
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The beauty of Michael Jackson is found in his heart and soul...his enormous talent is a bonus and what a bonus it is.

~PLAY the moments...PAUSE the memories...STOP the pain...REWIND the happiness~

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@wishingstar, diggyon, suspicious mind, mjj4ever777, BeTheChange: thank you all for your great posts here above!!

It was delightful, enlightening, empowering to read them all and reflect and then read again... I am so happy and proud to have you as "classmates" in this school of life lol that the hoax seems to have had as a purpose all the way from right BACK at the very beginning! It never ceases to amaze me how everything was taken care of, planned, thought of to the most minute detail!!
Back's post proves not only a concern for times of doubt like we've all been experiencing,but also foresaw that we might go BACK to his own words and discuss over it, become inspired to develop the subject with more quotes, more ideas, more infos that would help us learn and understand that DOUBT isn't necessarily something to be afraid of, on the contrary, when "used wisely" as wishingstar well emphasized, DOUBT can be constructive!! and enriching with knowledge, with self confidence and even optimism if we chose the right path....
It's a paradox...a lovely paradox...Doubt seen as so positive... I would have never thought of this in this sense if it weren't for this hoax, which from what I could learn so far, is precisely built on bricks of doubt and bricks of certainty, the dual aspect of the hoax is the key to it all. It's really something that just added to a long list of BONUSES that the hoax brought to me along these years, only things to be grateful for!!! the most precious ones: some real strong, beautiful, long lasting relationships and friendships with people, some bonds that I could have never tight on if it weren't for the hoax. To think that this all started for me [now I'm beginning to realize that for all of us] with a DOUBT !!! No mater in what direction that DOUBT was for each of us, there was a DOUBT: some doubted he was alive, some doubted he was dead. It's interesting ....how these doubts evolved .
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Interesting how almost all profound hoax-discussions always seem to end up to GOD and faith in GOD! this is the best proof that this hoax is clearly intended to make us turn our face to GOD. I cannot help but think about the times we are living right now...with this crazy mad world that seems to turn upside down, the scale of values is reversed: it isn't "cool" anymore to believe in God, where it isn't "cool" anymore to love/help one another..... this could go on and on, but what I mean is that it all leads back to what Michael want to achieve through this: the main goal - Make a CHANGE - HEAL the WORLD with LOVE (= GOD).

Man, this year is gonna be something, I can feel it, I am so impatient!!

I will add some French quotes to the list of great quotes on doubt of this thread:
"Douter de tout, c'est aussi douter du doute !"
"Le doute est le signe de la certitude." [Alain ; Propos sur l'éducation - 1932]
"Le doute est père de la création."- Galilée
"Le doute amène l'examen, et l'examen la vérité." - Pierre Abélard
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@mjj4ever777........thank you for your sweet words, they truly mean a lot to me!  Wow......what an amazing quote you shared...indeed, doubt is very unsettling to the ego.....I think that's why so much of the world is in chaos and so many people seem to be trapped in their own web of disdain.  It's a fine line between doubt and blind faith....at least for me, lol.  You're a sweetheart....
Love you too!

@BeTheChange.........each one of those quotes is a home-run for me!  They are awesome....I love the "forget the journey" so many times in life, I should have pressed onward, but doubt kept me back.  If only you can skip certain years of your life, lol...
I'd be a wise owl, in a moonlit tree by now! Love ya!

Blessings to all....
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@SimPatty.......
 /bravo/  bow/  respect/

Wow.....I love that post of yours.  You always bring to light certain things that make me really think, and really thankful to be here.  I feel like this hoax is coming into a full circle.  We will be back to where we started, only with the faith that will finally erase the doubt ( and rightly so). We traveled the roads of doubt for a very long time.  Even before June 25th, I believe the seeds of doubt about Michael we placed (like the wheelchair picture).  We doubted him before his death, why would anything change after his death?  That's probably exactly what he's counted on...our doubt to carry us through. 
Thanks for the great post Sim.......simply awesome.

I have no doubt you are here Michael....where I don't know, who I don't know...but, no doubt you are here.
Kings to you.........as always  ;)

Blessings upon each of you........
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I take this post as; if you doubt my future death, you pass the first, and greatest, Test.

More or less, in so many words.
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@SimPatty.......
 /bravo/  bow/  respect/

Wow.....I love that post of yours.  You always bring to light certain things that make me really think, and really thankful to be here.
I think the same about your posts too and those of some other forum members here! ;) I love you guys!


 
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I feel like this hoax is coming into a full circle.  We will be back to where we started, only with the faith that will finally erase the doubt ( and rightly so). We traveled the roads of doubt for a very long time.  Even before June 25th, I believe the seeds of doubt about Michael we placed (like the wheelchair picture).  We doubted him before his death, why would anything change after his death?  That's probably exactly what he's counted on...our doubt to carry us through. 
Thanks for the great post Sim.......simply awesome.

I have no doubt you are here Michael....where I don't know, who I don't know...but, no doubt you are here.
Kings to you.........as always  ;)

Blessings upon each of you........
Thank you @wishingstar, I feel the same way about it all! ;) As the french say: "On est sur la meme longueur d'ondes!" lol :)
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