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But then Sharon Sidney maintains that MJ was kidnapped, and is held hostage to continue writing and singing songs. errrr :lol: Maybe that's why Front's been sending us snippets of music... :cry:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login But then Sharon Sidney maintains that MJ was kidnapped, and is held hostage to continue writing and singing songs. errrr :lol: Maybe that's why Front's been sending us snippets of music... :cry: :lol: :lol: :lol:Yes...they only let him out of his cage every once and awhile and he can only use GarageBand :lol:With L.O.V.E. always.
@WishingStar...LMAO! OMGosh that was funny...and couldn't have come at a better moment :lol: You always manage to make me laugh...I'm still laughing :lol: And you realize you thanked Front in a 'TS thread'...was that intentional or a Freudian slip? lol It doesn't really matter...something tells me TS will pass on the message "Have we played the snippets backwards"... With L.O.V.E. always.
Now wait just a cotton pickin second here.I realize that when TS redirects to a post he is echoing (or validating) a PORTION of that post... NOT NECCESSARILY the entire post... but does everyone realize that?Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post. Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one. He PLANNED this... painstakingly and lovingly planned this for DECADES. How do you take a life's work like that and change it at the last second to add DEATH to the HOAX and pull it off like this? (in the advent someone poses this scenario to that question) I am having difficulty brainstorming that possibility. In fact, I don't believe that for a second. This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.Blah blah blah you know how I do...Point is, he redirected to a loooooooong post.Just to refresh your memory, check the date on this post of mine from the TIAI December 26 thread:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNo doubt he's alive.I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginwhich is EXACTLY what he did. Which I find hysterical. Heeeeee, TS, you kill me. I actually feel more like hugging you then strangling you now. That's a much needed attitude adjustment, thank you.(and ps. @TS, I'm sorry for wanting to strangle you. All things considered, I hope you understand.)pps. @PureLove, you could just save yourself some typing and just write "bec" instead of "some people" in your posts. We all know you mean me. Lol.
No doubt he's alive.I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhy would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”. What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far. BeTheChange:QuoteIt also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.Very well said, I agree with you.QuoteQuote from: MissGImo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different. I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note. Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rdNow wait just a cotton pickin second here.I realize that when TS redirects to a post he is echoing (or validating) a PORTION of that post... NOT NECCESSARILY the entire post... but does everyone realize that?Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post. Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one. He PLANNED this... painstakingly and lovingly planned this for DECADES. How do you take a life's work like that and change it at the last second to add DEATH to the HOAX and pull it off like this? (in the advent someone poses this scenario to that question) I am having difficulty brainstorming that possibility. In fact, I don't believe that for a second. This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.Blah blah blah you know how I do...Point is, he redirected to a loooooooong post.Just to refresh your memory, check the date on this post of mine from the TIAI December 26 thread:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNo doubt he's alive.I think TS might have run out of material. I think he gave up on the levels and switched over to the metaphorical angle... the redirects... where there is no right or wrong... no proof is ever needed. No validation will be forthcoming, no answers will ever be gleaned. We get to guess n guess n guess n guess... and perhaps he will redirect to someone's answer... a long post of course... so we can play the "guess which part was right" game from now until either bamsday or we all grow tired of this little time killer and go find some other obsession to distract us from the unending misery we call daily life.He doesn't need to answer to any of these theories or explain a damn thing anymore. We will all be satisfied with redirects and bottomless religious debate distracting us from the fact that he left us hanging on 11/29 and never kept his word. Maybe if he ignores it long enough we will all forget it ever happened?This one isn't likely to ever forget. I'm a big pain in the ass that way.But no, Aussie, I have no doubt that MJ is alive. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginwhich is EXACTLY what he did. Which I find hysterical. Heeeeee, TS, you kill me. I actually feel more like hugging you then strangling you now. That's a much needed attitude adjustment, thank you.(and ps. @TS, I'm sorry for wanting to strangle you. All things considered, I hope you understand.)pps. @PureLove, you could just save yourself some typing and just write "bec" instead of "some people" in your posts. We all know you mean me. Lol.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhy would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”. What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far. BeTheChange:QuoteIt also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.Very well said, I agree with you.QuoteQuote from: MissGImo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different. I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note. Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginNOTE: IDK if this is the redirect for January 2nd or 3rd since I just signed on tonight, so I'm assuming it is the 3rd
Why would Michael not read the forums? It would make sense that after planning this Hoax carefully that he would want to give clues to those who are open-minded enough to seek the truth for themselves.If we have become intrigued and involved in this “ARG”, then it has been our own choice. I don’t believe that Michael is playing with our feelings or manipulating anyone. The nature and seriousness of the Hoax is such that he cannot be more direct and plain about what he can tell us. TS told us about the “dangers” surrounding Michael, so this is the only way that Michael can communicate with us. I believe that as factors play out and the Hoax’s mission is fulfilled behind the scenes, that Michael will reveal himself to us “piece by piece”. What Front has given us with this handwritten note seems to be one “piece” revealed. I think we all know that timing is important and although we get frustrated, we have to realize that we are merely the observers of a grand plan that needs to unfold in its own time.Although the Hoax has an entertainment aspect, Michael would not do something like this if he had had a choice. There is no way that Michael would set out to “play” with his fans and us beLIEvers. I think that perceptions are being misconstrued.How can Michael tell us and be 100% sure that we would keep the secret? In what way could he do this? We don’t know who else is reading the forum. Perhaps he doesn't want to place us in any danger, or perhaps someone in a weak moment could leak that information out when it's not part of the plan yet. I know it's quite obvious but it needs to be repeated: if Michael revealed himself to us without a shadow of a doubt then this would stop being a Hoax. The Hoax will end when Michael Bams, pure and simple. Until then we are not meant to be in the "know". The fewer people involved, the better for Hoax success.The zillions of clues that Michael left for us and the whispers we have received prove to me that Michael has considered our feelings. We can’t forget the seriousness of the Hoax and FBI involvement.We can't lose perspective of this thing now, we have come so far. BeTheChange:QuoteIt also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.Very well said, I agree with you.QuoteQuote from: MissGImo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?First of all one point that people may not have taken into consideration: Do you think that Michael may have deliberately “disguised” his handwriting just a tiny bit? Again for reasons that have already been discussed ie that it is not yet “tIME” to reveal ALL. As I have stated already there is a trail of clues and it went crescendo. Don't take the note alone but consider it with all and everything that's happened here.Now no one writes EXACTLY the same all the time, and IF they do then perhaps this is a trait of their personality. There are tons of samples on the internet of Michael’s writing, some are the same and some are different. I was looking at other samples because I didn’t understand what Miss G meant by "motion" and i's. Here is one that’s more similar to the i's in Front's note. Look at the "i" in "special" on the last word of this note. Here is another sample. Look at the 3rd line from the bottom and the word "it". The "i" is the same motion of the dot as in Front’s note: So to me this proves that handwritings can change and evolve with time and can be different according to a person's mood. I personally do not write much nowadays because of those computers and my handwriting has changed a lot so I think it can have an influence in the non-consistency. Anyway this note from Front is very Michaelish. 8-)
It also depends on our individual interpretation of 'manipulation'. People 'manipulate' things all the time...it's the intent driving the 'manipulation' that interests me because that will greatly affect the effect lol. I think we can pretty much all agree that no matter why MJ hoaxed his death, he had a very good reason or several for doing so.
Quote from: MissGImo, I would not focus on the letters, but the dots over the "i". Let´s compare Michael´s "dots" with Front "dots". What´s your conclusion @you all?
(((Bec))), nothing gets past you does it?!! I love your posts - you add enormously to the 'entertainment' value of this whole thing, (as well as, of course, the 'serious' side)! You have a razor sharp mind and a keen wit. I hope you won't get tired of 'killing time' here - I'd miss you lots!EDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!
So...anyone knows how the real ark has to look like? The images TS linked to are different. I must say when I read in the Bible how the ark had to be made - I don't fully understand how is it supposed to look.
Oh good you get it curls. I was starting to worry why no one seemed to understand how incredibly smart ass-y TS is being with this redirect. Either that or it went completely over his head and he's just that predictable. I hope he's being a smart ass. Let's assume he's a smart ass.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginEDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!That's exactly what I think for a long time now... and we, as we choose to be here, agree in the game...It's still GAMETIME ...that doesn't mean there aren't serious reasons for starting the "game" and serious goals for its ending......just imo...
EDIT: As for the question of whether or not Michael would 'play' with his fans in this way, I say why not? He did it in 'Ghosts' - playing with the townspeople, scaring them half to death, then having them agree they'd had 'a good time'. Why wouldn't he engineer a scenario whereby he can interact and play 'in real life' with his fans, well away from the normal screaming, hysterical crowds, where he's in control and taking things at his own pace. Good for him I'd say!
"Have we played the snippets backwards"...
Because I think the "20 years culmination of planning and execution" (not a quote, from memory, you get the gist) negates nearly this entire statement from the redirected post.
Because there's no way this hoax was done on the fly, with no other choice, as if MJ was so painED at the notion (of a death hoax and fooling people) that he had no other choice, I call BS on that one.
This whole thing is perfect, from the physical hoax on 6/25/09, to the paperwork hoax with the fake documents, to the ARG hoax with the clues and the websites and the HUGE online community following rabbit trails that invariably hold a 100% DEAD END rating regardless of determination level and networking capabilities, to the media hoax with TMZ strategically poised to do MJs bidding... it's perfect and iron clad, methodical and air tight. You don't cook that up relatively overnight. I believe whole-heartedly it did take every bit of 20 years to bring together, it is fool proof in it's execution.
yes! not a victim! this was not a 'reactive' thing he did to escape. this is 'pro-active'. innovation. at its best.
