Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

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Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
First, my apologies for this very long post, but……

Please, please read this pervasive story, written by Bonnie Cox http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2011/12/message-of-michael-jackson-help.html

It’s written as an intro about what Bonnie believes what Michael is trying to expose to us for years about sexual child abuse, the abuse of children in any form, and very, VERY likely, the sexual abuse of Michael and his brothers when they were just little children. I actually cried and was heartbroken, because I think she is so very right about it. I urge you to read the whole blog (link above). I also urge you to read her latest blog http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2011/12/michael-said-if-we-dont-stop-it-then.html

I will copy a few of the paragraphs below this story, that turned my stomach and my heart.


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She stepped out into the street, greeting the sun which sent sharp darts of glare into her eyes as it reflected off the brilliant surfaces of windows and fixtures.   She squinted and smiled against it.  She hesitated before choosing a direction. She then stepped down and began to walk.

What made her decide to take a walk as soon as she arose that morning began to invade her thoughts.  It wasn't her usual routine.  As a matter of fact, she never walked the streets in the morning.  But today, she felt something else in her, driving her.

Other thoughts stalked behind her, trying to catch up and plant themselves in her brain.  She actually began walking faster to avoid them, but they ran, ran faster and jumped.

Turning the corner, the street suddenly changed.  It was no longer the glistening and pristine surroundings she met as she left her abode.  She collided into another reality altogether.

Litter and debris were strewn across the street, blowing in a previously non-existent gust of air.  The smells were that of food left out in open barrels and the people once well dressed and walking with purpose were now clad in dull rags, moving listlessly along the buildings.

She turned, looking for the safety of the street she just left, her world, but now it was nowhere to be found.  Why had she come walking in the first place?  Was she dissatisfied with the environment of privilege from which she came?  She didn’t know where to go from here, so she stopped and looked around.  Nothing was familiar to her.

To her left was the building that just a few moments ago rested on a street that was clean and host to people who had hopes, meaning, purpose.  She walked back to the corner but the same desolation existed in the direction from which she came.

Trying to understand she slowly turned, bewildered, shaking her head.   Where was she?  How did she get here?  WHAT was she doing here?

As she turned to continue walking, her foot caught something and she stumbled and fell.  She caught herself on her hands and her knees, nearly falling on a little boy. Her palms stung against the abrasion of the oily sidewalk as she looked up into the eyes of him who would tell her where she was.

In those eyes she saw at first gentleness, pride and potential.  The brown cheeks under the eyes were clean and unblemished, wholesome.  She wanted to touch them but she was transfixed in a prone position.   She could not tear herself away from his eyes.

As she continued to see, the eyes told her another story.  Behind the gentleness and potential there was a deeper pain.  Layer by layer she was drawn in. She became acquainted with terror.  Deeper in there was torment, abuse and torture.

She scrambled backward on the sidewalk but the boy grasped her wrist.  In the depths of his dark brown irises she saw movement which turned into shapes.  She followed them as they beckoned her, “learn”.

The world under the potential, pride and gentleness harbored another world corrupted by iniquity and malevolence.  It was not a child’s world but here it existed, in the soul of this one. 

In his eyes the moving and shifting shapes became multitudes of people in all colors, builds and ages.  They were jumping up and down, all turned in one direction, all waiting for something to appear before them.  They cheered, called out, exclaimed for the one they called Love.

Lights appeared at the front of the crowd.  She floated above all of them as if she was going to be given a closer look.

On the platform the lights danced and maneuvered.  The crowed pressed closer, mashing the people at the front toward the platform.  The din calmed to a low murmur of thousands of voices, then an unsettled, electric silence. 

Suddenly the lights dimmed and one lone white light made a spot on the platform above them.  The anticipation began to build like pressure in balloon being fed air as everyone waited for the “bam”.

The silence was vociferous.  The quiet before the storm.

Suddenly she saw sparks and blinding light as a lone figure dropped down onto the platform seemingly from nowhere.  He landed on his feet, crouched to break the fall, then slowly standing strait.  He had fists at his sides, big lenses on his eyes and was dressed in glittering, magnificent costume.   The throng of people became raucous.  And she was above them all, a part of it all but unseen.

She was being drawn above them closer to the platform.  The man in costume was still unmoving as the crowd’s collective frenzy became hysteria.  People were falling out and disappearing, being trampled as the gathering crushed those at the front wall trying to get closer.  She could see there was a wide space between the wall and the platform where their idol stood still motionless.

The hysteria matured and calmed into a steady, static din.  People were still pressing to the front against the wall, but they didn’t want to miss one movement of the one they came to see.

Slowly the man in costume brought his hands up and removed the frames from his eyes.  When he did, he looked up and directly at her.  The jolt of familiarity hit her directly in the heart.

The man put his hand up to the crowd, as if to tell them to quiet themselves.  He looked out at them.  One tear escaped his eye and slid down his cheek. Then another fell from the other eye . . . than another, and another.  With his hand up, palm facing the assembly he looked down.  Her eyes followed.

Below him, between the platform and the wall were hundreds of thousands of children, all of them in different states of misery.  In the hum of the crowd you couldn’t hear them.  In the brilliance of the show, the crowd couldn’t see them, but the one on stage was trying to direct their attention to them.

The children all had names:  Abandoned, tortured, raped, drugged, electrocuted, suppressed, illness, disease, abused, neglected, poverty, hated, tormented, manipulated, terrorized, apathy, hopelessness, and on and on.”

The children, all different ages, colors and sizes were looking up.  They saw the one on stage, the saw her floating above them, and they could see the mob of people, but the mob did not see them.  They just pressed and crushed each other toward the wall, trying to get to the one called Love.

His tears fell.  He had done this hundreds of times but no one, NO ONE would hear.  They didn’t understand.  Love was not a possession, he was a gift to be shared, but people were not sharing him.  They were coveting and keeping him to themselves.
They turned Love into something to be fought over, used or turned into an object of lust.  They didn’t understand that Love only grew if the seeds could be fertilized in new ground.

The one called Love beseeched the masses.  His song was not heard no matter how much he gave to it. 

The throngs continued to push and push to get to him.  The wall began to move.  Sudden terror filled his eyes.  She saw him mouth the words “No, not me . . . help them!”

She looked down into the pit and the children were crying.  Creatures were pulling on them, trying to drag them down.  Some of them were disappearing beneath the squirming of other children.  The wall began to rock as the mobs pushed against it, not seeing the children, not caring.  They wanted him, but his message was drowned out in the sensational frenzy surrounding him.

The one called Love fell to his knees on the stage.  He was reaching down and pulling children up onto the platform, sometimes two at a time, as fast as he could.  He kept looking toward the wall which was dangerously close to falling on them and closing them off forever.  He was crying as he worked frantically.

She was almost directly in front of him now, hovering above the children.  She was crying.  Her tears were falling on them.  Some of them felt it and looked up at her. 

The one called love saw her.  His eyes were filled with pain as he continued to pull the children up one by one.  His face said it all . . . they don’t care.

She wanted to help but she didn’t know how to get down to them.  She tried moving through the air toward them but she stayed at the same position, the same level.  She looked at him.  She said to him without moving her lips, “I want to but I don’t know how . . .”

He looked at her with an excruciating hopelessness.  It tore at her. She turned toward the multitude, then back toward him.  He was tiring but continued to pull children up onto the platform.  The wall was beginning to give way.

He looked at her one more time.  In her head she heard, “I need help.  Tell them!”

Her face crumbled.  She turned toward the crowd.  If they didn’t hear him they wouldn’t hear her.  Fear built up into her and she began to sob.  Powerless to do anything else she prayed.   She squeezed her eyes tight and she prayed.

When she opened her eyes, she was almost nose to nose with the one called Love.  She was looking into his eyes.

“I prayed” she tried to whisper.  She looked at him.  He was drenched in sweat and trying to breathe, but he was resting.  Instead of the pain filled face she saw a slight smile.

In those eyes she felt the sensation of being pulled backward.  The vision of the one called Love, the platform, the pit of children, the wall and the multitude swiftly receding into a thin dot of light as she was pulled back through the darkness.

She found herself being drawn out of the eyes of the boy on the sidewalk.  His expression was that of the one she left.  He was peaceful and the slight smile in his eyes and on his lips told her that something had been done.

Finally she could speak, “Who were those children?”

The boy answered with a soft, smokey voice, “The children?  They are called innocence.”

She was bewildered, she asked another question, “Who were all the people in the crowd?”

He replied gently, “they are called indifference”.

She sat back on her hip on the sidewalk.  She took a good look at the little boy who was probably about ten.  His hair was like brillo and black.  She wanted to touch his hair, but she kept her hands in her lap.  He must have sensed her because a small smile lit up his face.  She thought he was beautiful.

She asked him one more question . . . “Who was the man in the lights on the platform?  The one helping the children?”

The smile on the boy’s face slowly faded and his eyes seemed to grow in size and depth.  A look of sadness mixed with premonition took over.

“The one you saw helping the children?  Well, he is called Hope.”

“Oh”, she whispered. 

She looked down at the sidewalk.  She wondered how she would help the children she saw in the little boy’s eyes.  She felt his little hand on hers.  She looked up at him and was met by a look of understanding.

“You are called empathy” he said to her.  “When you seek others like you and you gather with them, then all of you shall be called witness.”

He leaned toward her, “When all of you witness, Hope will again be present among them.  Hope can be delivered through each of you just by telling his story.”

She smiled. She wanted to kiss his cheek but was afraid.   She didn’t want to scare him off.  She saw him smile which made innocence take over his eyes.  He looked at her, he kissed the palm of his own hand, then placed it gently on her cheek.

“In your zeal to help Hope, don’t forget what Hope was for.  They can’t receive Love through indifference . . . it has to come through Hope.  Empathy gives birth to Hope.”

The little boy stood up, looking down at her still sitting on the sidewalk.  She saw the face of Hope before it had been abused.  He smiled and as he turned to walk away, she said, “Wait!  Can I ask you one more question?”

He turned and stopped.  His face said he already knew what she would ask.  “How do I receive Love through Hope?”

He looked down for a minute, then back up at her.  “Witness”, he said, “With Love
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Some excerpts from the blog:

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This has been going on for a very long time,” concurs former “Little House on the Prairie” star Alison Arngrim. “It was the gossip back in the ‘80s. People said, ‘Oh yeah, the Coreys, everyone’s had them.’ People talked about it like it was not a big deal. 
“I literally heard that they were ‘passed around,’” Arngrim  said. “The word was that they were given drugs and being used for sex. It was awful – these were kids, they weren’t 18 yet. There were all sorts of stories about everyone from their, quote, ‘set guardians’ on down that these two had been sexually abused and were totally being corrupted in every possible way.”

“People don’t want to talk about this because they’re afraid for their careers,” says Peterson. “From my perspective, what Corey did was pretty brave. It would be really wonderful if his allegations reached through all of the protective layers and identified the real people who are a part of a worldwide child pornography ring, because it’s huge and it respects no borders, just as it does not respect the age of the children involved.”  Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/#ixzz1foATuKTf


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“We covered MK Ultra and the birth of Hollywood as a tool for mass mind control.  We’ve spoken of Bryce Taylor’s book “Thanks for the Memories” which describes her life as a mind control slave working for the CIA to gather information, plant information, and set up targets for blackmail. She began as a child and was both the victim and a witness to child sexual and physical abuse and psychological abuse.

In her book she describes Bob Hope as being one of her “owners”.  Reading her account of remembering certain events in her childhood, one of them was the description of sitting in a Limo outside an event that Bob Hope attended.  With the door to the vehicle open, she overheard Hope and Elizabeth Taylor discussing her, outside the limo.  She writes that Liz Taylor looked past Hope into the limo at her, then looked at Bob Hope and said “you couldn’t even find one with breasts? She looks like a child!”

This is where this gets hard (as if it isn’t already).  Bryce Taylor then describes a VERY YOUNG Michael Jackson and his brothers being sponsored by Bob Hope (who in her book describes Taylor’s familiarity with Hope’s slaves.)  She states at the time that Michael was only four or five, which would match up with some of Michael’s interview’s where he said he actually started working at age five or six, not the age of eleven where he became famous.


]“Michael Jackson was just a little boy of four or five when I accompanied Bob Hope to a place where they were filming up-and- coming talent for television. Bob told me he supported and sponsored the Jackson’s, getting them a professional foot in the door. Their father brought the boys in and I remembered seeing them taken into a side room where bright lights were on.

They all had to drop their pants and bend over before their performance a big man raped each one of them in a lineup. Then they were taken to a different room and dressed in little suits and sent onto the stage to perform. Due to the mind control I was under, I’m not sure exactly where we were, but feel that it was the early days of the Ed Sullivan Show. I watched as Bob, dressed in a grey pinstripe suit and bow tie, with white shoes, shook hands with Ed; and then the Jackson boys went on. They were made into a sensation and famous, on purpose, so that they could be used in the future to influence large audiences.”

She continues in her book, “Bob was often the connection for new entertainment. The Council used his connections for their own interest and got ‘key’ entertainers in place for future use. Many were robots like me. I saw many of them get hurt. I never saw Bob get hurt though.
The Jacksons were hurt; I was witness to their abuse. That first time when they performed, Bob got them onto the show and then we left in the limo and watched from the television inside. He told the driver to drive around until the show was over. Then Bob told me, “See how easy it is to be a star?”


I think most would agree that the inherent love that is part of Michael Jackson’s soul essence shines through for the world to see. In spite of the programming themes in some of the songs he sings, as I was recovering I often held onto the words he sang, the lyrics reminding me, “You are not alone,” when I felt so very alone.

To Michael, I extend a hand and say you also are not alone. Now there is a way out of this insanity…”  Source – “Thanks For the Memories” by Bryce Taylor, Chapter 26, pgs 238-239
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Jermaine Controversy Over 2001 Book Proposal

Here is another piece of information that matches this.  Earlier this year, Jermaine was challenged by an unnamed journalist about a manuscript Jermaine defended that never existed, or at least, the SUBJECTS publicized did not exist.
The SUBJECT MATTER was a portion of this book that was publicized, claiming that Jermaine said he saw his father take his brother Michael into these meeting rooms with important looking business men.  In this “leaked” excerpt, Jermaine allegedly stated that he did not know what happened in there but that Michael was sick for days afterward.
Jermaine went after Stacy Brown who is the one who proliferated the story all over the internet and the press, but now there is a problem.  Because how well does Stacy Brown know Bryce Taylor?  How do all these roads traveled by different people keep ending up in the same place?

“Speaking on US TV show LARRY KING LIVE, the 51-year-old dismissed stories published in the New York Daily News in which the publication claimed to have an eight-page synopsis dating from 2003 for his unpublished book LEGACY: SURVIVING THE BEST AND THE WORST. Jermaine told host King the alleged manuscript, which contained numerous revelations about Michael, was faked by the book's co-author STACY BROWN and that he is considering legal action. However, Brown has warned Jermaine that he has his confessions on tape and that he took is consulting his lawyer. He says, "He'd be crying, spilling his guts, pouring his heart out for hours on end. I thought, 'Man, this is really deep.' "I've got Jermaine on tape, and the tapes are being turned over to attorney MEL SACHS.”  Source 

I believe Jermaine did not write this.  But SOMEBODY that knows what happened did.  SOMEBODY is covering something up and while Jermaine may know for a fact if Stacy Brown is a liar, can he also say that Bryce Taylor is one?
Bryce Taylor is exposing what our government is doing.  Jermaine did the same thing on Saudi T.V.  They’re on the same side.[/
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Remember what Conrad Murray said in his documentary? He was telling about the horrible, horrible things Joe did to Michael, even much worse then we already knew about. That it would shake the earth? And what about what Michael told about himself in his lyrics? I'm scared and I'm afraid but if you think about it, think about what Michael told Schmuley about the horrible things he'd seen and he just couldn't understand it. If you think about all those things, could this be true? To expose the worldwide pedophilia ring?????


« Last Edit: December 08, 2011, 03:42:41 PM by Do »

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
You wanna say that maybe Michael was sexually abused by his father? I don't know about that.Michael never said that. I really hope it is not true, I couldn't stand such a thought.

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 04:09:06 PM
You wanna say that maybe Michael was sexually abused by his father? I don't know about that.Michael never said that. I really hope it is not true, I couldn't stand such a thought.

Actually I don't believe that either. But don't you think that Joe must have known what was happening to his sons? That's also abuse to me. But you should really read the blogs, it's connecting a LOT OF DOTS about many things we have spoken about on this board, and it's NOT only on abuse. Hugs

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 05:30:52 PM
I'm sorry but this story sounds nothing but crazy.

When Michael was 4 to 5 the Jackson 5 were practicing in their little home in Gary, Indiana. They were far from being a proper act and Michael only started being integrated into the group at about age 5. They did not even call themselves The Jackson 5 in the beginning, and they were light years away from any television performance or the like.

Seriously... There are nothing but rumors concerning Michael being a supposed sex abuse victim. Nothing but stupid rumors. And you know who usually spreads them? The ones claiming he's a child molester himself because - as we know - most child molesters were victims of sexual abuse in the past.

As for Jermaine's (or Stacy's or whoever's) story about Michael and those supposed businessmen... Any story for that non-existent book was created for drama. Read some of the things Stacy Brown has been claiming, first he said Jermaine really said all of this, then he recanted that, then he said Jermaine was pushed to spice up the story because nobody was interested, etc., etc. Lie after lie.

Compare that to what La Toya claimed, Michael being sexually abused by a "relative". So, what is it, an uncle, Joe, Diana Ross, music industry people, the pope? Seriously, if Michael had been sexually abused by anyone, I think his family would not have to make up stories about him being molested by different people. Their stories would probably be a little more consistent. When you know the truth, you have nothing but the truth to tell.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 05:36:43 PM
lol.. people whine about the media then log on to forums and make the most horrendous ridiculous lies and assumptions up that they possibly can.

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 06:17:42 PM
I can't help but wonder why this topic keeps resurfacing. I won't comment other than to add another item to the mix for scrutiny.

This came up on a thread a month or so ago that might add something to the current conversation:

It was a note that appeared on a blogspot, it reads:

“Dee Dee Please Read
This article about child molesters
And please read it to Taj, T.J. and Taryll
It brings out how even your own relatives
Can be molesters of children, or even uncles
Or aunts molesting nephews or nieces.  Please read.
Love M.J.”





It was posted on this thread:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21227.msg369399#msg369399

I won't comment any further...just thought I would bring this to attention.


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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 06:24:54 PM
Bee Bee and SEHF, I believe you're both missing the point. Even if it's all but rumours about Michael being abused (but the rumours ARE there and for a very long time actually) AND maybe the author Brice Taylor made a mistake in remembering the age of the Jackson-children when she watched the abuse AND maybe she lied about everything (which I doubt, read http://www.rense.com/general79/sexslaves.htm) but hey, I wasn't there so how would I know, if she lies, Bonnie lies and I'm lying also). Then STILL the fact remains that there were AND are lots of children abused in the entertainment industry. Wouldn't you think that Michael is very aware of that (he participated in this industry ALL of his life) and would want it to STOP??? Why do you think he was so passionately committed to children all over the world? I don't think there is anything 'LOL' about this subject. And I don't believe he would feel so empty and unhappy and unloved and detached and talking about a horrible childhood if there wasn't something SERIOUSLY WRONG back then. But that's just my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/#ixzz1foATuKTf

@Snoopy71
Thanks for posting this.
In the first edition of Randy Tarraborrelli's The Magic and the Madness (published in 1991 I believe) there was a story about Michael talking with a friend about child abuse. Have to look it up for the exact details. But she (the friend) has told that he wanted to know everything about it and wanted to read about it as much as he could. It was at the time he was in New York while taping The WIZ. And yes, La Toya wanted to mention the sexual abuse of Michael in her book in the early nineties but that was at the time she was with Jack Gordon, so I don't know about her credibility back then. But Tarraborrelli wrote about those rumours too.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 06:59:09 PM
Bee Bee and SEHF, I believe you're both missing the point. Even if it's all but rumours about Michael being abused (but the rumours ARE there and for a very long time actually) AND maybe the author Brice Taylor made a mistake in remembering the age of the Jackson-children when she watched the abuse AND maybe she lied about everything (which I doubt, read http://www.rense.com/general79/sexslaves.htm) but hey, I wasn't there so how would I know, if she lies, Bonnie lies and I'm lying also). Then STILL the fact remains that there were AND are lots of children abused in the entertainment industry. Wouldn't you think that Michael is very aware of that (he participated in this industry ALL of his life) and would want it to STOP??? Why do you think he was so passionately committed to children all over the world? I don't think there is anything 'LOL' about this subject. And I don't believe he would feel so empty and unhappy and unloved and detached and talking about a horrible childhood if there wasn't something SERIOUSLY WRONG back then. But that's just my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/#ixzz1foATuKTf

@Snoopy71
Thanks for posting this.
In the first edition of Randy Tarraborrelli's The Magic and the Madness (published in 1991 I believe) there was a story about Michael talking with a friend about child abuse. Have to look it up for the exact details. But she (the friend) has told that he wanted to know everything about it and wanted to read about it as much as he could. It was at the time he was in New York while taping The WIZ.
Do....totally agree! I pay my utmost respect to Michael for becoming the person he is, despite of all the pain that he must have experienced throughout his childhood. And I agree, something must have been seriously wrong back in those childhood days. We all only see what he wants us to see. He is (and we must never forget that!) a highly trained performer. Not saying that he is not genuine, please do not misunderstand me here! But: who knows what is smoldering under the surface? Who? Nobody!
A human being is not made to fully understand another, but to gain awareness, that maybe another human being might hold in their heart and soul the key to completion of the puzzle of his/her own self. And I truly believe that this is the reason that he loves the company of children and seems to prefer it to the company of other adults....because a child´s love is unconditional, the beauty of the simplicity of a child´s mind is the light of God shining from the inside. Seeing that light fade away, seeing children suffer....is just painful. And even more so for Michael, because he knows what it feels like....
I never cared (and never will) if he is black or white....because to me he is colorful. From within him the light of God is shining. And he combined that light with all the tears that he shed....and out of this emerged the most beautiful and shiny rainbow. That´s why he is colorful to me and always will be.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 07:01:28 PM
It has crossed my mind that Michael mights had been sexually abused...What made me think of that was what he said to Batshit about the violence of his father.He said that he used oil first on his and his brothers bodies and then he used and iron cord to hit them. Why on earth would he put oil ??Is it more painful this way ? or something more farfetched was taking place??
The truth is that many children have been molested in show biz (what I know is just rumors of course) but it could have happened when they made their first steps in the industry!
On the other hand and even though I don't like Joe at all I have a hard time believing that he would let something that horrible  happen to his children just for money! To me the Jacksons worked hard and when Michael took his own path HE WORKED TO THE LIMIT to achieve what he achieved michael-jackson/

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 08, 2011, 08:47:28 PM
This is a very big problem in Hollywood. Did it happen to Michael? I don't know. But I'm sure he saw it and was aware.  I want to repost a link to Corey Feldman interview and what he said about the casting couch that operates under the radar in Hollywood.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/corey-feldman-pedophilia-problem-child-actors-contributed-demise/story?id=14256781#.TuFjt7J6yNg

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 12:51:24 AM
Bee Bee and SEHF, I believe you're both missing the point. Even if it's all but rumours about Michael being abused (but the rumours ARE there and for a very long time actually) AND maybe the author Brice Taylor made a mistake in remembering the age of the Jackson-children when she watched the abuse AND maybe she lied about everything (which I doubt, read http://www.rense.com/general79/sexslaves.htm) but hey, I wasn't there so how would I know, if she lies, Bonnie lies and I'm lying also). Then STILL the fact remains that there were AND are lots of children abused in the entertainment industry. Wouldn't you think that Michael is very aware of that (he participated in this industry ALL of his life) and would want it to STOP??? Why do you think he was so passionately committed to children all over the world? I don't think there is anything 'LOL' about this subject. And I don't believe he would feel so empty and unhappy and unloved and detached and talking about a horrible childhood if there wasn't something SERIOUSLY WRONG back then. But that's just my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-children-in-hollywood-just-tip-iceberg-experts-say/#ixzz1foATuKTf

@Snoopy71
Thanks for posting this.
In the first edition of Randy Tarraborrelli's The Magic and the Madness (published in 1991 I believe) there was a story about Michael talking with a friend about child abuse. Have to look it up for the exact details. But she (the friend) has told that he wanted to know everything about it and wanted to read about it as much as he could. It was at the time he was in New York while taping The WIZ. And yes, La Toya wanted to mention the sexual abuse of Michael in her book in the early nineties but that was at the time she was with Jack Gordon, so I don't know about her credibility back then. But Tarraborrelli wrote about those rumours too.

Hey.
Fact is just that when somebody is making outrageous claims that do not add up (about Michael's age, for example), they are not credible in the slightest. In my opinion, they sadly do not deserve to be believed. A 4 to 5 year old child looks a lot different from an 8 to 10 year old, wouldn't you agree? That cannot be ignored. Those stories are outrageous, and they're not any different from other outrageous stories out there about Michael, for example, molesting children himself. Same with both, they're probably lies.

Michael did/does care a lot about children and he was certainly severely abused as a child. However, it is simply not true that he would have to have been sexually abused or have witnessed sexual abuse in order to develop such strong empathy for suffering children. You do not have to suffer at all to care about the sufferings in the world. Still, Michael did suffer severely. Are you forgetting that he himself has spoken about this at length many times, accusing his father of emotional and physical abuse? Never sexual abuse, but the abuse he suffered certainly was enough already to scar him for life.

Yes, those rumors have been persistent for a very long time. As have rumors (and, actually, while I don't believe in them at all, they are a lot more consistent and a lot more credible than THIS) about Michael being a pedophile. And, as I said, most people arguing Michael was a sexual abuse victim believe him to be a child molester. This is why they keep coming up with it. It is my humble opinion that you shouldn't jump on that bandwagon when there is absolutely NO, ZERO evidence about Michael having been sexually abused. Of course there are rumors, as there are rumors about Michael being a perverted freak, and they go back to the 80's, all of them. Is it right to believe in a rumor just because it is repeated a thousand times? I don't think so.

I'm not trying to downplay the issue of child sexual abuse, and I believe that it is probably a big issue in the entertainment industry. But so is emotional and physical abuse which Michael evidently had to endure as a child. Nobody has come up with any halfway credible story about Michael being sexually abused; as I pointed out earlier, they can't even make up their minds as to who supposedly abused him: Joe, the pope, Bigfoot, Diana Ross, we've heard it all. Don't you think there would be a little bit more solid information if there was any truth to it?
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 06:01:40 AM
Bee Bee, again, just because Brice Taylor mentioned the wrong ages in your opinion, you assume that her story is a big fat lie. She has the courage to speak up and she is a liar? I do NOT claim that Michael was sexually abused, because I simply don’t know that for a fact. But see, the problem is, nobody dares to expose the name(s) of their accusers because of their power in the industry. And IF they speak up, who is going to believe them??

Isn’t that one of the main points of sexual abuse?? Not to speak up because you’re afraid no one believes you?? That you are a liar and a freak? (sounds familiar doesn’t it?) That you can say ‘goodbye’ to your career?  Or that you and your family will be threatened. The Jacksons received death threats way back at the start of their career. BY WHOM????

Please read the blogs of Bonnie (mentioned in my first post and a new one has come up already), then everything will become much more clear to you. We can only HOPE that Michael wasn’t a victim, because God, I can’t bear that thought either.

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Feldman:
"I can tell you that the No. 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia. That's the biggest problem for children in this industry. ... It's the big secret," Feldman said.
"I was surrounded by [pedophiles] when I was 14 years old. … Didn't even know it. It wasn't until I was old enough to realize what they were and what they wanted … till I went, Oh, my God. They were everywhere," Feldman, 40, said.

"There's one person to blame in the death of Corey Haim. And that person happens to be a Hollywood mogul. And that person needs to be exposed, but, unfortunately, I can't be the one to do it," Feldman said, adding that he, too, had been sexually abused by men in show business.

Feldman said his realization followed the discovery of what some adults around him had allegedly done to other children. "There was a circle of older men … around this group of kids. And they all had either their own power or connections to great power in the entertainment industry," he said.

Feldman admitted that Haim struggled with addiction but said it was a mechanism to cope with his demons. "It was a symptom," he said. (sounds familiar too)

Chris Snyder, former manager of Feldman:
"The biggest problem ... is when the parents start to live through the kids and quit their jobs, and buy expensive houses, buy expensive cars," Snyder said. "And the parents aren't understanding it's not going to go on forever. And it just wrecks everything
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Former “Little House on the Prairie” star Alison Arngrim.

“There’s more than one person to blame,” says Arngrim. “I’m sure that it was not just one person who sexually abused Corey Haim, and I’m sure it wasn’t only him and Corey Feldman that knew about it. I’m sure that dozens of people were aware of the situation and chose to not report it.”

Arngrim, a board member and the national spokeswoman for protect.org, an organization that works to protect children from physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, says greed in Hollywood allows sexual predators to flourish. “Nobody wants to stop the gravy train,” says Arngrim. “If a child actor is being sexually abused by someone on the show, is the family, agents or managers – the people who are getting money out of this – going to say, ‘OK, let’s press charges’? No, because it’s going to bring the whole show to a grinding halt, and stop all the checks. So, the pressure is there is not to say anything.”

“It’s almost a willing sacrifice that many parents are oblivious to – what kind of environment do they think that they’re pushing their kid into?” said Peterson. “The casting couch is a real thing, and sometimes just getting an appointment makes people do desperate things.”

Arngrim, who revealed her own sexual abuse in her 2010 autobiography, “Confessions of a Prairie Bitch,” explains: “I’ve heard from victims from all over the country. Everyone tells the same kind of story, everyone is told to keep it secret, everyone is threatened with something. Corey Feldman may have opened a can of worms by speaking out, but yes, this does go on.”

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Michael:  "I’ve seen the worst. The nightmare of – the human condition, the human soul, of what I would never think common man would be capable of behaving in such a way

Schmuley asks Michael “You’re not angry at God, you’re not angry at the world?”

Michael responds – “I’m not angry.  I’m very taken by it.  I’m hurt.  I cry an awful lot.

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Schmuley asks Michael  “what would you like to say to your father?”
Michaels answer  “Do you have any idea what you’ve done to me?

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"But if you don't have that memory of being loved, you are condemned to search the world for something to fill you up. But no matter how much money you make or how famous you become, you will still feel empty. What you are really searching for is unconditional love, unqualified acceptance. And that was the one thing that was denied to you at birth."  [Michael Jackson, 2001]

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“I’m going to say something I have never said before and this is the truth. I have no reason to lie to you and God knows I am telling the truth. I think all my success and fame, and oh I have wanted it, I have wanted it because I WANTED TO BE LOVED. THATS ALL!! That’s the real truth. I wanted people to love me, TRULY LOVE ME, because I never really FELT LOVED. I said I know I have an ability. Maybe if I sharpened my craft, maybe people will love me more. I just wanted to be LOVED because I think is is very important to be loved and to tell people that you love them and to look in their eyes and say it!
-Michael Jackson, in a 2001 interview

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“Yeah, I'd rather suffer [than cause others to suffer]. I hate to say it because I have suffered a lot. God, have I suffered. But I would rather suffer
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MaryK, RK, Lacta89, we can only pray for every child and adult in this world that their suffering comes to an end one day and that this sick kind of behaviour will STOP. In this sick behaviour and in the victims, everything comes together: child abuse, drug abuse, Mind Control, entertainment industry, media (the 'crazy' stories of the victims) you could go on and on.

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 08:00:33 AM
On the other hand and even though I don't like Joe at all I have a hard time believing that he would let something that horrible  happen to his children just for money! To me the Jacksons worked hard and when Michael took his own path HE WORKED TO THE LIMIT to achieve what he achieved michael-jackson/

Michael might have forgiven his father and that only shows what a great heart he has. But I suspect Joe was able (back in those days) to allow evil things, because he did it himself also.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2oeGOuIYb8
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Michael: "He was rough. The way he would beat you...
You know..was hard..
He would make you strip nude first...he would oil you down...
It would be a whole ritual...
He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know....
and it was just....
like me dying, and you had whips all over your face,
your back, everywhere..
and I always heard my mother like No Joe, you're gonna kill 'em,
you're gonna kill 'em, no!
And I would just gave up,
like there was nothing I could do.
And I hated him for it.
Hated him..."

This wasn't just a normal, back in those days, spanking. But we all knew about this already. Why did Michael say that he never didn't feel really loved? Because his father did this to him? And his mother ALLOWED this? I can only guess what was going on and what he/the brothers might went through. It isn't a nice picture.....
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 08:19:32 AM
I guess, taking your kids to strip-clubs and putting them in front of strippers and hookers - actually IS molesting.

However, Jermaine in his book explains that Michael was far more sensitive than other brothers, he pervceived things differently. What was "just a small spanking" to Jermaine - was a tremendous violence in Michael's eyes... It's Jermaine's opinion from his book though.....
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
Hello Do. :)

Just to set it straight, I generally do not believe in any of those outrageous stories, since I see absolutely no evidence for them. I find all this woman's claims highly questionable, as I do generally when it comes to wild conspiracy theories and the like. I'm sorry. But just so you know it is not just Michael's age that was obviously wrong that made me question her credibility. It was just one example to show how incredible her story is (at least in my opinion).

I simply require proper evidence when it comes to claims of any kind. And, sure, disclosing sexual abuse is hard, but remember that we're also alleging that Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo are lying, and that others believe there are more "victims" of Michael, afraid to come out. Same thing. In my opinion, it is wrong to assume, though, that just because many victims never disclose, there is sexual abuse all over the place. See the two Coreys, they talked about it. Obviously, it's not that hard and dangerous to speak out after all, otherwise they probably would've been attacked. Sure, they didn't come up with any names, as far as I'm concerned, but they said it, and when Corey Feldman was interviewed by police concerning Michael, he also spoke about being sexually abused by someone other than Michael. The police could've asked him who did it but they sadly weren't interested. I can only assume that - had they asked him - Corey would've given names.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 09, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
Just because someone got sexual abused as a child and/or adulthood does not mean they become molestors and rapists as adults.
Many people who have been sexually abused (and other form of abuse) become the opposite when they grow up, they help abused children and/or adults, start charities, dedicate work to get the word out. Help and support victims.

Don't forget that!

I don't know if MJ have ever been sexually abused, I pray and hope he never did.

But also here on this subject Professor Griff (former member of Public enemy, co member to Chuck D who is a "friend" and was interviewed by Siggy Jackson) talks about the sexual abuse in Hollywood and in the Music Industry, he also talks about Michael Jackson.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 08:30:52 AM
Corey Feldman says Pedophelia is the biggest problem in Hollywood

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtrWA6X3xX4&feature=g-hist[/youtube]

People must wake up to this.
It is a very big chance that Michael might have been exposed to all this as a child.
And alot of other child stars.

I big red warning flag came up when in the documentery Life of an Icon (where Rebbi, katherine and others were in) and this old man, a producer or record producer or something, said that when Michael was a boy, he spent 6 days with him in his hotel room, alone with this man.

*Warning*

It might have been innocent, but considering everything, that did not sound right. I would never leave my child alone several days with a man I did not know nor woman, and what record producer wants the child alone with him for several days, it doesn't make sence.

It might be awful, some things we just don't want to see, but we must. These sick things go around in Hollywood and many thousands of children get abducted every year never to be found and many of these go to underground pedophelia rings, where powerful people as former presidents, politicians and people with much money are involved in.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
@VeryLittleSusie.
True, taking your sons to those clubs at that age is also a form of abuse. Not to mention the hours that were left to sleep before going to school early in the morning (now I understand one of the reasons Michael had sleeping problems).
And Michael might have been more sensitive then his brothers, I don't think it was 'just a small spanking' as you listen to Michael in the vid in my post (reply 11). Who is lying about it, Jermaine or Michael? And IF Michael is lying, and if it were just 'small spankings', then why did he describe his youth as 'so terrible'? Was there something else happening to him more frequently then with the others?

@Magic_Love_4U
I never ever suggested that people who were abused, become abusers themselves later in life! I hope that this is clear!
I agree with you that most of them will help other victims in any form or way after they have come to terms with their past.

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I big red warning flag came up when in the documentery Life of an Icon (where Rebbi, katherine and others were in) and this old man, a producer or record producer or something, said that when Michael was a boy, he spent 6 days with him in his hotel room, alone with this man.

I haven't seen the documentary yet, just the trailer a couple of weeks ago. Thanks for reminding me, I hope it's on Youtube. Is that true, Michael spending 6 days alone with that man? It doesn't have to be bad or evil, but it sure raises eyebrows and it sounds suspiciously, if you link it to the rumors going round for years and the way Michael talks about his childhood (AND listen to his lyrics!!)

@Bee Bee
Hi, don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying. However, I think it's very hard to get proper evidence if none of the victims is willing to expose the name (because of threats or out of fear) of the people that were doing these things to them. In the case of Jordy, I think it was very clear what the purpose of his father was, and that he was made to lie by him, remember, he didn't want his parents in his life no more after all was said and done. The Arvizos (every one of them) told one lie after another. Every witness who was called by Sneddon denied that anything improperly ever occured between them and Michael. These witnesses didn't have to be afraid to have to reveal the name of their perpetrator, they were not whistleblowers, all they had to do was to say HE DID IT, but they didn't. Jordy also never accused Michael himself. So Jordy was in my opinion not a liar and Arvizo are exposed as we all know. The two Corey's talked about it, but NEVER mentioned names. And YES, it WAS hard, because Haim is dead.
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"There's one person to blame in the death of Corey Haim. And that person happens to be a Hollywood mogul. And that person needs to be exposed, but, unfortunately, I can't be the one to do it," Feldman said, adding that he, too, had been sexually abused by men in show business.


WHY NOT? WHAT ARE THEY ALL SO AFRAID OF???????
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Hey Do. :)

Every witness who was called by Sneddon denied that anything improperly ever occured between them and Michael. These witnesses didn't have to be afraid to have to reveal the name of their perpetrator, they were not whistleblowers, all they had to do was to say HE DID IT, but they didn't.

Sadly, I do not agree with you on that. We cannot know for sure whether the attacks were really that severe but the Chandlers were supposedly threatened and attacked quite a lot, either by Michael's fans or people from Michael's camp, with or without Michael's consent. Even Geraldine Hughes speaks about attacks on Mr. Rothman's office in her book, so there is obviously some truth to it. I think people going against Michael did have a lot to lose, Michael's fans can be quite tough, and he also had shady people working for him. Maybe there is even some truth to the Arvizo's claims of being threatened by the alleged co-conspirators but the defense always agreed (and they are probably very right) that Michael was unaware of any threats.

To set the record straight: I fully believe in Michael's innocence. But it would not have been easy for victims to come out if there had been any.

As for Corey Feldman, please also remember that he is a major drama queen and has accused Michael of all types of ridiculous things, such as abandoning him on 9/11. There are other reports from people who were around that strongly contradict what Corey claimed. I'm not at all alleging that he is lying about the sexual abuse he had to endure, just saying that he is a drama queen and loves to wine and exaggerate. The two Coreys both spoke about their abuse on television, if exposing the ones responsible was that dangerous, wouldn't they generally keep their mouths shut instead of complaining about it in reality soaps? If the abusers are that dangerous, wouldn't they have to fear attacks when they hint at the abuse in public? Again, I'm not alleging they were lying, just pointing out there is a lot of drama involved that might or might not be 100% authentic... to that extent.

However, I am severely sorry about Corey Haim's demise, and I'm not trying to downplay the issue. I believe he was abused, and that probably played an important role.


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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
If it was exactlu 6 days I dont remember but it was several days alone with that man in a hotel. For some reason I have the number 6 in my head lol.

Well, all human beings have personalities (most anyway) and being a drama queen does not mean someone is lying.
Being a drug addict does not mean someone is lying.
Michael was kinda dramatic in many ways too... just sayin.

Do the research about the illuminati and when you understand how they work you'll know why they don't kill someone as soon someone speak or say something. And remember, they didn't mention names.

There have been many child celebrities that in adulthood have said what really went down on the sets and in their own families and around hollywood. Look into it, it is very frightening that these things happen.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 01:14:31 PM
Of course Michael was abused,i also believe he was a mk ultra victim.This happens to the majority of child stars.They are easy to control this way.When they become adults,they tend to become resistant from their handlers,and they are painted as junkies or just plain crazy.In reality they are only remembering the abuse and the torture,that they endured when they were younger.When they break free,they are reprogrammed,but the media tells us they are going to rehab.Beware of Cedars Sinai Hospital in California,it is a mk ultra facility.This is were a lot of celebrities are taken for reprogramming.No one makes it big in Hollywood unless they engage in homosexual or pedophilia activities.Very sick.   
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 01:26:56 PM
@ilovemjforever

I believe he was too. The more I look into this thing the more sicken I get about his father.
I truly feel for Britney Spears, when she had that shaving her hair incident, one of the people in the tattoo parlor or hair dresser salon or where it was, said Britney only said she didn't want to be touched anymore, she wanted them to stop touching her, and putting things in her head.

How "messed" up is that, not of what she did or said, but that it is right there infront of us, and most of us look the other way and say, oh she has drug problems or mental problems.
She's under such control. :(

From what I researched there are so many different sayings on how they get u in.
Some say that there's different levels on what kinda sick stuff u need to do to stay in the "game" depending on how much money u earn. And what u said about pedophelia and homosexual acts, that are the most common.

But I do believe in my heart that Michael Jackson refused, they might have wanted him and tried to get him to do those things to children, but MJ refused. And that is what others have said too. Professor Griff is one of them.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
@ilovemjforever

I believe he was too. The more I look into this thing the more sicken I get about his father.
I truly feel for Britney Spears, when she had that shaving her hair incident, one of the people in the tattoo parlor or hair dresser salon or where it was, said Britney only said she didn't want to be touched anymore, she wanted them to stop touching her, and putting things in her head.

How "messed" up is that, not of what she did or said, but that it is right there infront of us, and most of us look the other way and say, oh she has drug problems or mental problems.
She's under such control. :(

From what I researched there are so many different sayings on how they get u in.
Some say that there's different levels on what kinda sick stuff u need to do to stay in the "game" depending on how much money u earn. And what u said about pedophelia and homosexual acts, that are the most common.

But I do believe in my heart that Michael Jackson refused, they might have wanted him and tried to get him to do those things to children, but MJ refused. And that is what others have said too. Professor Griff is one of them.
I agree with you 100%.Britney is a obvious mk ultra victim.She was beginning to break free,and then they take her to rehab/reprogramming.The sad part is everyone thinks she was crazy or strung out on drugs.That is only a front.I think all Disney child stars are victims to this sickness.M.J. also did The Wiz of Oz,which also was also a Disney production.The more money you earn the more they come after you.If you dont support their agenda they will destroy you or kill you.I dont for a second believe M.J. touched those kids.They tried to frame him but they failed.Some fans turned on him but the majority supported him even more.Then he became a bigger threat and started to speak out,of course they knew he had to be taken care of.I believe he was a target on 9-11,they did not succeed,M.J. realized he was a marked man and faked out those evil fucks.If only more celebrities would speak out about this,the sad truth is,they don't want to lose their wealth.
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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 02:58:03 PM
@ilovemjforever

I agree with u also.
Walt Disney is not good. Everytime I hear MJ talking about how much he loves disney movies and Disney my heart pinches. It is not a good sign. Yes u can love surtain movies and all that, but he really went all in with the whole Disney thing. Knowing how MK Ultra and media manipulation and subliminal messaging works, there are clear signs right there that MJ was a victim of that.

I love some Disney movies, but when I found out what Disney is all about a few years ago, I can't look at a Disney movie the same ever again. But heyyy, I do love Pirates of the Caribean, lol.

No but seriously, it is good to be aware of these things.
To know the reality of this world, no matter how sick it is.

I piece of me believe Janet Jackson is still under full control of those people still today. It is just something about her.

Here's a video of a survivor and victim of MK Ultra and other experiments.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDASDDrDkM[/youtube]

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Re: Was Michael a victim of sexual abuse himself?

  • on: December 10, 2011, 03:39:33 PM
@ilovemjforever

I agree with u also.
Walt Disney is not good. Everytime I hear MJ talking about how much he loves disney movies and Disney my heart pinches. It is not a good sign. Yes u can love surtain movies and all that, but he really went all in with the whole Disney thing. Knowing how MK Ultra and media manipulation and subliminal messaging works, there are clear signs right there that MJ was a victim of that.

I love some Disney movies, but when I found out what Disney is all about a few years ago, I can't look at a Disney movie the same ever again. But heyyy, I do love Pirates of the Caribean, lol.

No but seriously, it is good to be aware of these things.
To know the reality of this world, no matter how sick it is.

I piece of me believe Janet Jackson is still under full control of those people still today. It is just something about her.

Here's a video of a survivor and victim of MK Ultra and other experiments.I

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDASDDrDkM[/youtube]O yes sweety,Janet is also a victim.I believe her programming started at an earlier age than Michael.She was also a child actress.Her Superbowl incident was planned.Janet is a MK Ultra Sex Slave.No doubt about it.I feel she has had a harder time breaking free,due to her early programming.She,is no doubt still under their control.Whats even more scary is i think Michael s kids  could also possibly be under some kind of control.I was looking in a magazine today and one of the kids were throwing up satanic hand signs.And know Paris is starting
in a movie.I dont know whats going on,but i am very suspicious.
MJ u are so beautiful,inside and out,u truly are a gift from God.I love u,brother.

 

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