Philip Anschutz AEG ordered the Murder of Michael Jackson..........OMG

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On May 10, 2009, Dr. Conrad Murray secretly recorded Michael Jackson (MJ) on his iPhone. During the trial of Dr. Murray for involuntary manslaughter, the prosecution played Dr. Murray’s four minute plus tape recording of MJ. MJ is heard in badly slurred speech and in an absolutely unrecognizable voice as if he was drugged, but reading, word from word, directly from a script speaking to a man in a mirror,

“When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, `I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world.”[23]

MJ goes on to describe how he wants to use proceeds from the concerts to fund a “Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital.” he continues as if again, word to work, repetition,

“Gonna have a movie theater, game room,” he says on the recording. “Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”[24]

In mind control programming, the programmer/handler is most often perceived as the “master” or “God.” At the end of the spoken script, SPEAKING FROM THE LAND OF THE DREAM WORLD, MJ said, “I am asleep”.



MJ’s speech wasn’t just markedly “slurred” and “drugged.” It wasn’t a “rambling.” MJ had been speaking to Dr. Murray from the dream world in trance formation. Sirhan Sirhan has to be one of best documented cases of automatic writing, hypnotic repetition and “POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTIONS.”

MJ’s speech from the dream world was like Sirhan Sirhan’s infamous “RFK MUST DIE, RFK MUST DIE.” It was actually hypnotic repetition, repeating, word to work, from a programmer/handler’s “POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTIONS”.

When Sirhan was asked who told him to do this (the assassination) he said “my mirror my mirror my mirror”.[25] Immediately after RFK’s assassination, Sirhan suffered post-hypnotic symptomatic “chills” in a hot Los Angeles police department station in June 1968.[26]

Kenneth Ortega, director of “This Is It” Live testified for the prosecution in Dr. Murray’s manslaughter trial. Just days before MJ’s death, he said Michael seemed lost and was “incoherent.” Ortega said that he sat with Michael as he watched the rehearsals — rubbing Michael’s feet because the singer was symptomatically “freezing cold”.[27]

MJ had been programmed by his programmers/handlers to temporary perform at peak levels for musical rehearsals under “POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTIONS.” For his upcoming AEG Live This is It  tour in London, MJ was brought in and out of consciousness to perform in “TRANCE” to create an illusion that he would be able to carry out the concert tour. These remarkable post-hypnotic state performances are exhibited by filmed rehearsals which became the subject of the Sony Pictures, This Is It, the Movie.[28]
Just before his death on June 25, 2009, Michael Jackson, among some of the greatest and successful entertainers in modern history, was only an illusion. The decision had been made that MJ would be catatonic among the walking dead until the time was right to devour-outright kill him.

The genius of Michael Jackson was simply a deep hole, a cash cow to a lot of shady people including the underworld. It was in their interest to maintain MJ in a state of unconsciousness and confusion with drug protocols like something out of a CIA-MK ULTRA mind control program and the Jonestown Medical Experiment in Guyana.

According to a declaration of Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Dr. Arnold Klein “Dermatologist to the Stars” and Debbie Rowe, who worked as a nurse for Klein, injected as much as 1,850 mg of Demerol into Jackson during a three-day period in August 1993. MJ was stressed with the Chandler Molestation Case. It is alleged by Dr. Murray’s defense and others allege that Klein and Rowe kept MJ under a regiment of Demerol, a MK ULTRA Hypnotic,[29] until his death on June 25, 2009. [30]

MJ had been maintained under a regiment of Propofol for more than a decade before Dr. Murray came on the scene. Dr. Murray said that he had been instructed by Dr. Steven Adams how to administer Propofol to MJ at his office in Las Vegas. Police affidavits says that Dr. Murray told them that he was not the first doctor to introduce MJ to the drug, and that multiple doctors had done so, including Dr. Arnold Klein, Dr. Alan Metzeger, Dr. Cherilyn Lee and Dr. Adams, two unknown doctors in Germany.[31]

One of the paramedics responding to MJ’s medical crisis asked Dr. Murray if MJ was allergic to any drugs that he knew of, he responded, Thorazine. It suggests that MJ had been previously experimentally drugged with Jonestown’s second most used hypnotic drug, Thorazine, but developed an allergic reaction to it. Who told Dr. Murray about MJ’s Thorazine allergic reaction- Dr. Klein, Metzeger, Lee or Adams-DOCTORS IN GERMANY?


“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9

It doesn’t take much reading between-the-lines to see from the early stages of Dr. Conrad Murray’s manslaughter trial that Michael Jackson had been liquidated…assassinated. What is also chillingly frightening in this case is that MJ appears to have been deliberately maintained by his enemies in a state of continuous confusion and unconsciousness with experimental drugs out of the pages of CIA-MK ULTRA.

In 2002, MJ had proclaimed that that he had outsmarted the shadowy-demonic figures revolving around Sony like Tommy Mottola, the chairman of the company. Jackson particularly singled out Mottola for being “mean … a racist … and very, very, very devilish.” On June 15, 2005, MJ told a crowd at a fan club event in London in no uncertain terms, “Tommy Mottola is a DEVIL.”[32]

The principals in line with Mottola to destroy him and steal his music catalogue included his so-called friend, film director Brett Ratner, MJ’s business attorney John Branca and Al Malnik, a wealthy Miami attorney who had been a “foot solider” for the infamous underworld Mafia Crime Boss, Meyer Lansky. In fact, it is generally believed that Malnik was Lansky’s “heir apparent” in the underworld; that is no small and insignificant matter to overlook.[33]

Al Malnik: Michael Jackson, Meyer Lansky & Murder, Inc.

“’It was a known fact among the criminal underworld that dealing with Al Malnik was the same as dealing with Meyer Lansky,’ [said] Vincent Teresa, ‘a convicted criminal and frequent government witness currently in the federal Witness Protection Program,’ …”[34]

Al Malnik of Miami is a successful restaurateur, a major consumer loan lender and an entertainment lawyer to the likes of late iconic entertainers Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jr., Dean Martin and Jackie Gleason.[35] Just the mention of a Meyer Lansky link is chilling and can never be any small and insignificant matter. Lansky was the right hand man of Mafioso Charles (Lucky) Luciano.



Closing arguments began today in the ILLUMINATI v. Dr. Conrad Murray. In a matter of days, the window will close on Dr. Conrad Murray, the Most Worshipful Secret Servant of the Scottish Rite. If he is convicted, he is subject at most  4 (four) years of imprisonment. For the most part, Dr. Murray has honored his vow of Fidelity and Secrecy to the Brotherhood. For the masses, we have no Dog in the Hunt in the Fate of Dr. Conrad Murray. The Masters behind Michael’s Assassination weren’t called to answer. Philip Anschutz and AEG weren’t called to answer. We weren’t told the true cause of Michael’s death. Propofol! The ILLUMINATI’s  Propofol expert, Dr. Steven Shafer, was drinking Propofol for breakfast. That’s how much of a danger that was. Dr. Murray doesn’t belong to us. He sold his soul to the Luciferian Brotherhood.

We have lost, forever, the continued musical genius and humanity of Michael Jackson. He was not only an icon; he was an industry in himself. We grew up with Michael and loved him as a brother. He was loved by millions around the world that kind of understood what he been through, and the torture, perils, troubles and tribulations that he survived with some sense of love and commitment to Humanity, Fairness, Peace, Justice and TRUTH.

Remember, Michael Jackson wasn’t afraid to call them by their NAMES-DEVILS. Behind the ILLUSIONS and SMOKED MIRRORS of the case against Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael’s enemies are busy dismantling all that he represented to World. They were not only after his valuable Beatles-Music Catalogue.  They wanted his soul. They wanted to control his spirit, musical genius and capture his MESSAGE. 

In a way, Michael Jackson was like Donny Hathaway. They wanted to take his soul. They wanted to control his spirit, musical genius and capture the MESSAGE of his music. Donnie told us in no uncertain terms that they were trying to get inside his head to steal and capture the chemistry of his musical genius. Donnie RESISTED. On January 22, 1979, Donnie was thrown to his death from his 15th-floor room window at the Essex House Hotel in New York City.
The battle wages on with the forces that slew Michael Jackson and his genius. Michael told us in no uncertain terms that they were going to kill him. Their quest is to enslave the soul, spirit and chemistry of people through music. We battle a more evil, violent and ruthless then ever before Luciferian New Babylonian Pseudo Kingship over the World

Attending Day 2 of the Illuminati v. Dr. Conrad Murray trial in Los Angeles for the Assassination of Michael Jackson (MJ), Janet Jackson created a little buzz on the internet wearing v-neck dress and an ILLUMINATI-Luciferian symbol on her necklace, the All-Seeing Eye of Horus.[1] Janet Jackson was implanting a deliberate statement of Fidelity and Submission to Forces of Baphomet that slew MJ. She is also saying, WE’RE WATCHING YOU.
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Dr. Murray is a blood oath Scottish Rite freemason from Frederick the Great and Old Prussia. He is a member of a sect of an ultra-secret powerful high-degree Freemasonry molded by Albert Pike in the Luciferian Doctrine. It is generally believed that his business and profession really took off when joined the Scottish Rite. He is subject to the command of a higher secret Luciferian hierarchical order that I doubt he seriously fully comprehend the nature of. He is enslaved and bound to a hierarchy of secrecy by his blood oath.

I suspect that Dr. Murray must have truly believed that once in a lifetime contact with MJ and the lucrative $150,000 a month exclusive contract with “This is It” AEG Live concert tour to care for Michael Jackson was one his Luciferian perks. Whoever drew Dr. Murray into a ring of secrecy deliberately bounded him to it with a Luciferian blood oath. They knew of his background and his tendency to be easily distracted and fascinated by young beautiful women with a sugar daddy life style, and blinded by ambition and money. They knew that their perfect “Patsy” and fall guy smoke screen for MJ’s assassination had to be a hapless Black man.

Lloyds of London insured AEG Live’s MJ concerts at London’s O2 arena. It is seeking to nullify the policy through the Los Angeles courts. AEG Live took out the policy two months before Jackson’s death in 2009 under an alias name. The insurance policy covered the promoters up to the value of $17.5million “if MJ failed to perform”. Lloyds claim that the promoter failed to supply vital medical details, including the ‘apparent prescription drug use and/or addiction’. They state that AEG Live should have provided full information on Jackson’s medical history. Lloyds had also sought information about Conrad Murray as MJ’s personal doctor. They claim that the information on Dr. Murray had been withheld from them since December 2009.[76]

In February 2009, Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) and Lloyds allegedly had MJ examined under an alias “Mark Jones” by Dr. David Slavitt, an ear-nose-and-throat specialist based in New York City, under that pseudonym insurance policy. Supposedly, Dr. Slavitt examined MJ and gave him a clean bill of health on the policy, but nobody appears to have a copy of that medical exam. AEG said that they don’t have it, and Dr. Slavitt isn’t talking.[77]



By June 25, 2009, it seems as if time was of the essence. It was only a matter of time before the real MJ had to be examined under the insurance policy, and his true medical condition had to be revealed to the insurer and investors.

Kenny Ortega, the renowned choreographer and director, director of MJ’s “This Is It” comeback concerts already had grave concerns about MJ’s health and his ability to perform. The week before MJ’s death, he observed that MJ showed up at rehearsals too ill to dance. Alarmed by what he saw, Ortega wrote to an e-mail to AEG raising questions about whether the shows should be canceled due to MJ’s health and mental condition. “Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated”.[78]

It was also only a matter of time before AEG had to release background information on Dr. Murray; and hire another Doctor and set of eyes to help Dr. Murray with MJ and a CRP machine as they had committed to do.


The secret hierarchy put Dr. Murray on a mission not unlike a Lee Harvey Oswald to save the day by secretly infiltrating MJ’s camp on a undertaking to save MJ from his enemies for the multi-million-billion dollar investment and potential from spin-off movies, television, books, magazines-merchandising opportunities in AEG’s Live This Is It London concert tour.

AEG Live‘s Co-CEO Paul Gongaware sweetened Dr. Murray’s deal to become MJ’s personal physician with $150,000 a month and the dream of opportunities, fortune and fame that awaited him in London. He told Dr. Murray even after selling out 50 shows, there were still 250,000 people waiting for tickets.[86]

On the evening of June 24, 2009, the good most faithful Dr. Murray had been lured to the Carolwood Drive in the afternoon by Michael Amir Williams. Williams told him that rehearsals had been cut short, allegedly, because of MJ’s business meetings. Dr. Murray took the bait and met MJ at the mansion at about 1:00 p.m. MJ couldn’t sleep. Dr. Murray and MJ were up all night. At approximately 10:40 a.m. June 25, Dr. Murray finally succumbed and had to administer Propofol to try to put MJ asleep.[87]

Dr. Murray was on high alert as he had been all night when he heard MJ coming through Propofol anesthesia heaving for breath at approximately 11:54 a.m. Speculation: He ran to aid MJ with oxygen. The oxygen tank was empty. He found the other two in the room rendered inoperative. Between 12:05-12:10 p.m., he screamed for the chef for help. “Get security”, he shouted.[88] At least 21 fresh oxygen tanks were locked in the security stack outside.[89] Security never arrived. She didn’t call security. There was no CPR machine to help MJ. Dr. Murray had requested one from AEG. It never arrived. Chief of Security, Faheem Muhammad had fortuitously left the premises.

At 12:13 p.m., Dr. Murray called MJ’s personal assistant on the phone, Michael Amir Williams. In a panic, he demanded. “Get here right away. Mr. Jackson had a bad reaction Get somebody here immediately”, Dr. Murray pleaded with Williams. Speculation: Williams knew exactly who that somebody was that he was talking about, Dr. Arnold Klein or Dr. Steven Adams, who drugged MJ with DEMEROL or other secret MK-ULTRA drug during the day of June 24.[90]

Williams called Faheem than Alberto Alvarez in the security trailer at approximately 12:17 p.m. At approximately 12:18 p.m., Alvarez rushed to house and upstairs finding Dr. Murray fanatic applying manual CPR to bring MJ back to life. Alvarez called 9-11 at 12:20 p.m.[91] Faheem Muhammad rushed into the room and began helping with chest compressions while Murray attempted mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.[92]

At approximately 12:27 p.m., paramedics arrive at the Carolwood Mansion. At 12:29 p.m., MJ had no pulse.[93] At 1:07 p.m., the singer was taken to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center with Dr. Murray rode by MJ’s side in the ambulance, where doctors attempted a range of resuscitation techniques. Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m.[94]

At sometime thereafter at the hospital after MJ had been pronounced dead, Dr. Murray had been up all night with MJ and should have been frantically exhausted from ordeal of MJ’s life and death struggle. He approached Muhammad, Chief of Security, for a ride to get something to eat. He refused. Dr. Murray soon thereafter approached Muhammad and Williams for a ride back to the Carolwood Mansion to get his car, they lied and refused to help him.



He looked around. MJ had died right in front of him which from his medical opinion had been a bad reaction to a drug that he didn’t administer. He had being isolated without help. He must have understood at that point that he had been setup from the beginning to be the “fall guy” for the death of the MJ.


On August 31, 2009, two months after MJ’s death, three of his staff at the Carolwood Drive Mansion, Alberto Alvarez (Security), Faheem Muhammad (Chief of Security) and Michael Amir Williams (Personal Assistant) met at Carl Douglas’ law office in Beverly Hills and offered police damaging statements that suggested in the fanatic moments following MJ’s death, Dr. Murray had been preoccupied with concealing evidence (circumstantial evidence of a guilty conscious) than saving MJ.[95]

At trial, Dr. Murray’s defense counsel, Ed Chernoff, tried to establish if their statements were so important, why, they waited two months before going to police, and why they hadn’t offered their statements to police on the day of MJ’s death, June 25, 2009. Chernoff also wanted to know why they needed the assistance of counsel, Carl Douglas, to make their statements to police. Chernoff also attempted to establish why they met, together, on August 31 with Carl Douglas to get their facts straight before offering their statements to police.



Trial Judge Michael E. Pastor and the prosecutors blocked each and every of Chernoff’s attempts to establish and explore the true nature of Carl Douglas’ role in lining up key prosecution witness statements and trial testimony. Judge Pastor is a former Los Angeles City Attorney. He was appointed to the bench by Sturmhauptfuhrer SS Baron Otto Albrecht Alfred von Bolschwing’s Democrat Jesuit Priest Jerry Brown in 1983. Pastor also wrote a letter of recommendation for Dr. Murray’s lead prosecutor, David Walgren, who is looking to become a judge.[96] Interesting.

In fact, Carl Douglas had lobbied in the public domain to setup his clients as Dr. Murray’s key prosecution witnesses. On or about August 25, 2009, Carl Douglas told the Los Angeles Times, “Some of their information could shed new light on the timeline police have established covering Jackson’s final hours and the actions of his doctor.”[97] How did Douglas know about LAPD investigators’ working timelines and notes within two months of MJ’s death?

Douglas told the Times, “We arranged two separate occasions for LAPD investigators to meet with my clients. My clients came early wearing suits and ties. The first meeting was canceled and rescheduled. The second meeting I had to call them to inquire about the [detectives'] absence.”[98] Publicly, in all cases, Carl Douglas has declined further comment on his role in Dr. Murray’s prosecution and setup.[99]

Faheem Muhammad: Dummying the Jury Down, Does anyone know CPR?



At trial, Douglas’ client, Faheem Muhammad’s testimony was that Dr. Murray was in panic trying to conceal evidence. When Dr. Murray asked Faheem to return to Carolwood Drive Mansion to allegedly get some “cream”, he lied to him that he gave the keys to the police. When Dr. Murray asked for a ride to get some food, Faheem lied and refused assistance. When Dr. Murray asked to return to the mansion in Holmby Hills to retrieve his car, Faheem lied again and refused to assist him. The majority of Faheem’s responses to cross-examination were arrogant in tone and manner consistently saying, “I don’t recall” to simple defense questions.

At Dr. Murray’s preliminary hearing, Faheem Muhammad said that Dr. Conrad Murray seemed not to know how to administer cardiopulmonary resuscitation as he waited for paramedics to arrive at the house. Muhammad told the court that he and guard Alberto Alvarez saw Murray crouched next to Jackson’s bed “in a panicked state asking, ‘Does anyone know CPR?’” Muhammad told the court, “I looked at Alberto because we knew Dr. Murray was a heart surgeon, so we were shocked”.[100] Does anyone know CPR? Hmmm……!
Did Muhammad or Alvarez know CPR? If either knew CPR, it shows that they were, for some reason, markedly indifferent and incredibly dissociated from MJ’s fate as he was lying in bed desperately near death, or THEY WERE OUTRIGHT LYING. Strikingly by their trial testimony, they offered neither MJ nor Dr. Murray help, but were significantly anxious to help the police target Dr. Murray for homicide. Nevertheless, Muhammad admitted that he took MJ to Dr. Arnold Klein‘s office several times a week and MJ often came out “a bit tipsy” – MK ULTRA-DRUGGED.[101]






It shouldn’t be of any surprise to those who have eyes that see and ears that hear. Under CIA/MK ULTRA-MONARCH, MJ and Janet Jackson since their most impressionistic years were early research trauma based mind control victims  by some of the Old Luciferian Masters. They were subjects of MK ULTRA when research, development and experimentation was still governmental Top Secret.

Since the late 1960s, Janet like MJ have been locked into a blood oath of secrecy inside an underground music industry Scottish Rite-Luciferian Cult. For some reason, MJ recovered WILL and RESISTED in ways that we yet fully understand. He had seen and heard it all. He had been among and knew the ways of the Old Masters of Mind Control.  Below, MJ’s interesting and coded tribute to one of his Old Luciferian Knight-Priest “Handlers”, “You Were There.”

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IjmalHcQh54[/youtube]
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Notice a form of the Masonic Blazing Star or Star of Ishtar opening Michael’s performance, then look at the top stage spotlights forming the outline IMAGE of the HEAD of BAPHOMET.

MJ tried to speak out, but was subjected to strict control under Demerol and other experimental hallucinogenic drugs until they liquidated him under deep cover of a Scottish Rite black Patsy, Dr. Conrad Murray. Janet has never developed the WILL to RESIST the Controllers.

Out of the Luciferian Abyss, Anschutz has arisen among the world’s most powerful “Knight Protectors.” Circumstantial evidence in a prior post suggests that Philip Anschutz is the Wizard that lies at the apex of the Janet’s inverted pyramid of power that points to HELL. The 21st Century KGC has exchanged their crude costumes for Brook Brothers suits and ties. They have re-organized more powerful, deadly and secretive, and more demonic, dangerous and ruthless then its 19th Century twisted sister.

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Thank you for posting this information, can you please give us the link where you got this information?  OMG! This is scary..


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Out of the Luciferian Abyss, Anschutz has arisen among the world’s most powerful “Knight Protectors.” Circumstantial evidence in a prior post suggests that Philip Anschutz is the Wizard that lies at the apex of the Janet’s inverted pyramid of power that points to HELL. The 21st Century KGC has exchanged their crude costumes for Brook Brothers suits and ties. They have re-organized more powerful, deadly and secretive, and more demonic, dangerous and ruthless then its 19th Century twisted sister.

In 2004, Janet Jackson revealed that she has Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) as if it was no more serious than having a bag of popcorn. She acknowledged it to mass media that she was a Multiple Personality with different programmed alters.[3] Undoubtedly, she was referencing to CIA iatrogenic (psychiatrist) mind control programming. MPD is a not a bag of popcorn. It is an extraordinary serious ILLUMINATI/MK ULTRA mind control mental disorder.

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In 2001, Barr appeared on the Larry King show and spoke about DID/MPD and CIA trauma based mind control programs. Barr had reason to believe that she also had been a CIA/MK ULTRA/MONARCH child mind controlled victim.[28] She also exposed Joe Jackson as a MK ULTRA programmer.

Barr blogged:

“joe jackson is an mk ultra operative who’s abuse of his own children was used to profit the CIA’s programs that follow and study the effects of child abuse on the young, and how their minds can be controlled to such an extent, and with such abuse, that they can be forced to develop talent. jesus said ‘the truth will confound you in that day’. joe jackson is a child abuser, and catherine looked the other way while he beat their kids and tortured michael mentally. keep them both away from michael’s kids.”[29]

In 1995, Dr. Allison produced a very interesting and suspect abstract for several reasons. One, Dr. Allison admitted that dissociates such as what were being created by stress-trauma were usually “highly hypnotizable individuals”. Second, he proposed that if the first dissociation (sufficient trauma to dissociate) was before the age of seven, a condition that should be called MPD will be created. “MPD should be reserved for those dissociators who suffer their first major psycho-sexual-physical assault (emphasis. mine) before their seventh birthday…They feel too immature or untrained to defend themselves with physical means, so they resort to making defenders of their bodies within their minds.”[48]

Dr. Allison continued, “If the first dissociation occurred after the seventh birthday, a condition that should be called Dissociate Identity Disorder (DID) will be created…DID should be reserved for those who suffer the first assault to which they respond by a defensive dissociative after their seventh birthday.”[49]

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Michael Jackson with the ILLUMINATI Heart Sign or Sign of Fidelity without complete or partial subjection to hierarchy and corrupt power which maybe one of the causes of his assassination. The butterfly on shoulder suggests he was a CIA MK ULTRA/MONARCH Mind Control victim. The picture includes the Masonic Blazing Star (Knight Watch) and Crown. I read the Crown as the Holy Roman Empire. Michael is a MONARCH under watch by Knights of the Crown and under control of the Holy Roman Empire.

Michael Jackson with the ILLUMINATI Heart Sign or Sign of Fidelity without complete or partial subjection to hierarchy and corrupt power which maybe one of the causes of his assassination. The butterfly on shoulder suggests he was a CIA MK ULTRA/MONARCH Mind Control victim. The picture includes the Masonic Blazing Star (Knight Watch) and Crown. I read the Crown as the Holy Roman Empire. Michael is a MONARCH under watch by Knights of the Crown and under control of the Holy Roman Empire.

I don’t think anything has changed since 1998 with the overall physican views within the California Medical Association and doctor peer review on criminalizing medical decisions and innovation in medicine only in extraordinarily rare cases. The California Medical Association has never administratively reviewed CIA-MK ULTRA mind control doctors, prison medical abuse or doctors violating the Nuremberg Code using unwitting citizens as experimental guinea pigs.

What you see in ILLUMINATI v. Dr. Conrad Murray played out in the public domain are illusions and smoking mirrors, “We’re through the looking-glass here, people… white is black and black is white.”[38]

Let the Master Answer, The Big Dog in the CIRCLE

Dr. Murray (“Thumbs Up”) and Philip Anschutz with the Masonic Brotherhood and Hidden Hand Gesture. Anschutz’s Left Hand form the “the Claw”. 

Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) Live is a live entertainment promotion subsidiary of Anschutz Entertainment Group. It is the world’s second largest live show promoter.[39]

The Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) is a sporting and music entertainment presenter and a subsidiary of The Anschutz Corporation.[40] The Anschutz Corporation is a privately-held holding company headquartered in Denver, Colorado. It was started in 1958 by Fred Anschutz, an wildcatter (oil man), and the father of Philip F. Anschutz, who took over the company in 1962. The Anschutz Corporation, and affiliates Anschutz Company and Anschutz Investment Company, are vehicles for the diversified investments for Anschutz.[41]

A conglomerate is a combination of two or more corporations engaged in entirely different businesses that fall under one corporate structure (a corporate group), usually involving a parent company and several (or many) subsidiaries. Often, a conglomerate is a multi-national company.[42]

The Anschutz Corporation is a multi-national conglomerate. AEG is part of a powerful I.G. Farben like corporate intra-structure setup by the World’s Greatness Racial Mass Murderers, the New Order of Teutonic Knights, the (Schutzstaffel) SS and Totenkopf (Death Heads) out of Nazi Germany.

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I believe that Karl Anschutz moved into Kansas with money and resources fronted by the ILLUMINATI to open a bank among the SEEN to among the UNSEEN financially back the KGC and laundry the spoils for further and future deeper covert operations, infiltrations and subversion to undermine the U.S. Government, Constitution and the People for the establishment of a CORRUPT and OBSCENE POWER, an IMPERIUM in America.

Philip Anschulz is the secret descendant KGC MASTER that sit on the Throne of the East and give out his wisdom and directions to twelve, Disciples, who in turn each has (12) twelve disciples. The only way one could get into the Inner Sanctum or Inner Circle is when one of the Master’s (12) Twelve died off or retire.

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CIA-MK ULTRA drug experiments conducted by Victor H. Vogel and Harris Isbell of the U.S. Public Health Service Hospital, Lexington, KY, found that Demerol’s first cousin Scopolamine or hyoscine make patients psychotic.[19] Scopolamine intoxication can be used as a model of transient global amnesia.[20] From recent reports of the abuse of Scopolamine, the drug removes free will, effectively turning victims into suggestible human puppets.[21]

Post-hypnotic suggestion is the induction, under hypnosis, of a person into a behavior or thinking pattern that makes itself manifest after he has come out of the hypnotic state.[22]



On May 10, 2009, Dr. Conrad Murray secretly recorded Michael Jackson (MJ) on his iPhone. During the trial of Dr. Murray for involuntary manslaughter, the prosecution played Dr. Murray’s four minute plus tape recording of MJ. MJ is heard in badly slurred speech and in an absolutely unrecognizable voice as if he was drugged, but reading, word from word, directly from a script speaking to a man in a mirror,

“When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, `I’ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world.”[23]

MJ goes on to describe how he wants to use proceeds from the concerts to fund a “Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital.” he continues as if again, word to work, repetition,

“Gonna have a movie theater, game room,” he says on the recording. “Children are depressed. The — in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.”[24]

In mind control programming, the programmer/handler is most often perceived as the “master” or “God.” At the end of the spoken script, SPEAKING FROM THE LAND OF THE DREAM WORLD, MJ said, “I am asleep”.
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Please people, don't freak out easily. I read all that before, like a year ago, as that's what
I thought first - richest rich [I'm trying to stay away from all the Illuminati-Satan things,
most richest rich sold their souls and belong to some sort of "mafia" or "special circle",
so call it whatever you want] wanted Michael obedient, which he was not, and silent.
And they wanted his values like catalog + dead celeb that big always makes more money.
And OMG, I had no idea I do "satanic" poses on my photos and show all signs of Illuminati
involvement on my "artistic" photos  afraid/ So watch you family portraits, you might be
one of them without even knowing it!  :mrgreen: Scared yet?  ::P Don't fall for everything easily,
question everything, don't let the fear ride you.
Ok. Seriously though - Michael knew that he's in danger. I'm absolutely sure he knew.
Same question I ask myself for at least 1 year - who was faster? Was there enough time to
make it right? Some day we'll know. Michael is smart one.

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To me this is not a big or sudden news, except for hypnotism that could have been performed on Michael and I believe that it is possible the used technique to "treat" him. I've been saying for a long time, Michael escaped for good reason and true assassins still should be revealed. And of course CM was ordered to kill MJ. BUT, was MJ waiting until they kill him? Remember Jermain's clue about "kidnapping Michael if he gets convicted" as well as others? I think it is a clue, otherwise that statement is stupid ,everyone knows if convicted, MJ could not be kidnapped, as you saw CM case.
 I believe or want to believe that family got on time and saved Michael or he was saved in  hospital and escaped from there, and he most probably won't be back. Or at least until he gets cured detoxed from pills he ever took and from insomnia and gets stronger. Still have a hard time to be completely convinced Michael id dead.
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Sorry but I don't buy this.  Not only is this old news but if Michael had been drugged his entire life so 'they' could control his mind, his organs would have been in tragic shape.  His liver alone would've been pickled by age 20 (let alone 50), yet the autopsy report shows ALL his organs were healthy.

I agree with 2good2btrue - one would have to sit on their hands so NOT to make illuminati signs.

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I believe that MJ beat them to it, and escaped.......I don't believe he is dead at all...

But it just goes to show how powerful the forces are behind the scenes and why the family are too scared to say "WHO" wanted MJ dead.......

I am a little suspicious about the bodyguards now....their stories don't make sense anymore..

Why didn't they do more??  All security guards must have updated CPR skills, and why did they lie on the stand??  They are protecting AEG and Philip Aschultz........

I just thought this is a different perspective.........there are too many similarities.

The blog I found has soooooo  much more information, I couldn't post all of it here....


But I will say, this is pretty deep, but so is pulling off a death hoax...God Bless to all
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These are signs that Michael was trying to retaliate..........he was warning us....he was trying to break free............did he make it??  Well, that's why we are here......

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This is scary , really it is.....but I don't want to believe everything i read .OMG
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Thanks for sharing the way your are leaning towards with this 2good. It is horrific to think that this kind of mk ultra programming has happened to people. It is hard to even comprehend such evil. Having always been of the opinion that if  Mike experienced mk ultra programming, he woke up  around the Bad era  and was from then on, no man's puppet.  The '93 allegations were a means to an end, a set up by TPTB. Designed to threaten him with what would be the consequences for rebellion and to intimidate him into toeing the line again. And try as they might, MJ did manage to out think them and through the ARG aspects of this hoax, he has taught many of us including myself about the evil occultic undercurrents prevailent in and thoughout our world events.
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I don't buy this story. We have had enough proof to know that this is a very long term plan that Michael prepared. And AEG is in on the hoax. They needed Michael alive, not dead if that was the case. No need to panic over these kind of stories.

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I don't buy this story. We have had enough proof to know that this is a very long term plan that Michael prepared. And AEG is in on the hoax. They needed Michael alive, not dead if that was the case. No need to panic over these kind of stories.

I have to agree with PureLove.

Also, when I needed a place for a funeral last year that could hold 150 people for a memorial, I contacted one of the local Scottish Rites Masonic Lodges, and they happily obliged. They didn't ask what religion of the man who had died, just how many tables and chairs, how many hours, and we also got the kitchen, stage and microphone, for people to speak.

When you pose for pictures, what to do with your hands is one of the biggest PITA things! Creativity is sought. No one thinks of anything occult, that's just ignorance.
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I don't buy this story. We have had enough proof to know that this is a very long term plan that Michael prepared. And AEG is in on the hoax. They needed Michael alive, not dead if that was the case. No need to panic over these kind of stories.

AEG is NOT in hoax and has very questionable role in the reason of Michael's disapperance. As a reminder, AEG currently being sued by Katherine Jackson and 3 kids for wrongful death. I don't think lawsuits were included in  Michael's plan especially if he plans to comeback.
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Re: Family suing for lost wages

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@scorpionchik - We don't know the inside track. Lloyd's of London has refused to pay off their policy, too.
I don't know who knows what - but, the normal course is to sue AEG, at this point, for lost wages.

I am tired of everyone trying to tie the Scottish Rite into the Illuminati - whom I've yet to see to be even proven to be an organization. It blows my mind, how people have tried to insert virtually everything into this, it's impossible.

What I do believe in? Mafias. I feel that those who are worth over a billion or a trillion, has the wealth to have their own mafia. Those are the people who have great power to help or harm in this world.

Murder is committed for 3 reasons & motivations: Passion, Profit & Compulsion

People who kill for profit do it very rationally and are always convinced they will not be caught.

People who murder from passion have snapped and lost their mind.

And compulsion is the worst; its just pure compulsion to be violent and murder. Examples: John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer and Son of Sam. This kind of murderer cannot be deterred.

The above, is why I feel strongly Michael is still alive: he's the one who made the most money out of it.

AEG, they had insurance up to what, 21 shows? Does anybody realize, that's including Michael's cut!?

So, killing him for profit just doesn't figure into this at all, by AEG. Keeping him happy and alive? That would've been their wisest move, and by all surface appearances, they seemed to. Like, fixing up that castle for Michael and his kids.
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"@scorpionchik - We don't know the inside track. Lloyd's of London has refused to pay off their policy, too.
I don't know who knows what - but, the normal course is to sue AEG, at this point, for lost wages."

You are new here, I have explained about insurance policy here many times and already tired repeating it. I will only say that Lloyds refused to pay  because the policy !. was obtained through lots of lies and misrepresentations by the broker including med. exam and key person name; 2. death of key person endorsement was not attached nor it is applicable because of the policy venue; 3. concert cancellation policy probably was not purchahsed which is the only policy will pay in this case.
That said, AEG got the policy  to cash out from (considering IF they planned to kill MJ), but they underestimate insurance company investigators and underwriting nuances and obviously broker was not educated enough. On the other hand, I see that AEG did not plan to kill MJ therefore they got in many ways defective policy just to go tour. Shortly, only God knows what the fuck was and is going on. If I could see the policy and all pertaining documents, I could  with 100% certainty say what the fuck was going on back then up to 50%. 
Lastly, to say Lloyds did not pay and that means MJ is alive, or dead, or was killed IS WRONG.
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@scorpionchik - You obviously have not read all of my posts. I was predominantly pointing at the absurdity that every known aspect of conspiracy theory of overlords was all culminating into one giant smorgasbord!

Real life isn't clean cut.

You can't just take ONE of my posts, and use it as the definite of me. You need to LOOK at everything I've posted.
Enjoy reading.
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I can't believe that there is that much MK/mind control programming going on in the industry.  I can see how stars can be influenced by giving them more and more (drugs, sex, etc) but in order to be mind controlled...wouldn't they have to be hypnotized or drugged?  What person would voluntarily do that?  I do believe that stars are killed off once they're not needed or if they try to go against the system....there are just too many "accidental deaths". 





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I hope Michael didn't fall into their trap

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I hope Michael didn't fall into their trap


Then we would all have no chance. :cry:


But he didn't! michael-jackson/

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where does it say that ,have you a link ?? xxxxxx

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I know this is a pretty old blog post now but wanted to just ask a few questions because I can not find them anywhere on the internet or from my family who know alot of old history stuff.

Illuminati? Freemasons? and the Templers? Where is this information that any one of these names suggest Satanic or evil doing?

All the symbols that suggest illuminati are actually Symbols of light, god and all the good stuff, they didn't even come up with the symbols.

The ladder that is shown sometimes is the ladder to heaven, the all seeing eye is devine guidence and I forgot right now what the others were, they weren't even originally created for the Illuminati, Freemasons or Templers, they just picked randomly at already designed logos and made them into their own.

The dollar Bill has the All seeing eye, that was put on to the dollar bill by a non-Masonary member.

If there is indeed some very VERY evil things going on I do not think it has anything to do with the Free Masons, Illuminati or the Templers. Maybe they have been used as the smoke screen, some group to blame, I don't know but If you really truly research the three names with eyes and mind open..without already being convinced they are evil, then you might actually be surprised of how different a picture has been painted.

Do not get me wrong. I believe there is people out there, very greedy, very hateful, cold and cruel people out there who lack empathy and will use anyone they can to gain power and money but I do not think it's these groups. I think these people are not so forward with their logo's if at all they have logo's.

where is the origin of the first words of the illuminati being evil? is there any text that's not conspiracy theories? How did it first start? What is to say that who people say are behind the curtains isn't just another conrad murray being set up to take the fall?

The illuminati could be fighting against such evil people... the Cruel groups could be deliberately posioning the minds of the public to blame them so they remain under the radar. Illuminati comes from Illuminous, the light, Enlightened ones.

No one can disgree one way or another in the end because there is no proof, as much as this information goes around there is nothing stating that any of it is indeed true.

And in a way it's no different to people running around saying digusting things about Michael Jackson and those boys, they did it without proof and we know it's not true but isn't saying the illuminati is bad the same? Those logo's are not exclusive to the freemasons and it's not hard to set the traps by using such logos. Just my thoughts. I have a open mind and I can argue so many different points to everything, I am not bias'd to look at just one aspect of the theories. There is thousands of different ways it could be and not one of them could be the truth.

I don't mean to offend anyone, Just wanted to put my point of view out there.
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leilani, I've also considered what you've written above.  There is too much mis-information out there to determine who, exactly, is good or evil.  I don't like the term 'illuminati' for that reason so that's why I call the evil 'elite' of the world TPTB.

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leilani, I've also considered what you've written above.  There is too much mis-information out there to determine who, exactly, is good or evil.  I don't like the term 'illuminati' for that reason so that's why I call the evil 'elite' of the world TPTB.




It is true there is much mis-information, who tells the truth? Other people have died for less than what all these " informants " have said, or we believe us that what they said was not that important.

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Exactly,

The Masonic symbols are from ancient egypt which all represented the god like stuff. which of course can be argued (since everything can be argued in the end) that they messed with our history books and are infact lies,

the question is, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

of course there is evil out there, there would be no good if evil did not exist, we can not name good if we know not of evil. where there is an up there is a down etc etc

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It could also be that all the information is not lie, it is a game of truths and lies, who knows.

And this is true:
"If you want to hide something, place it in the view of everybody"

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Thanks 2 good   :bearhug: ...now I translate...hard work !!!!  :icon_rolleyes: :errrr: :computer-losy-smiley:
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It could also be that all the information is not lie, it is a game of truths and lies, who knows.

And this is true:
"If you want to hide something, place it in the view of everybody"

Agree, ((( even if Half of That is TRUE __  MJ have HUGE reason behind his hoax, sting operation and ALL The HIStory Changes that is apply for his Coming-Back.

To be defeated -- Evil should be Named and Nailed, period!

And WE will be MJ back-up support and forward troup.

side note -- is someone mentioned before Hoax Dictionary?  ->> have feeling that should be done, according to all researches, clues, conformation and Abuss of knowledge that journey is content --
start form Sunflower, Burn-victim pepsi--Dave-VforVendetta,Bible references, 9/11 and all the conspiracy, Illuminaty, Alien -Angel staff and so on from how many century back and force..>>

History WILL BE rewritten AFTER MIke is return for sure -- but for man himself that will be One more ultimate sacriface of privacy and personal matter ((

as its said in my country -- for ones fearless feat we have singing the Hymn!

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And in a way it's no different to people running around saying digusting things about Michael Jackson and those boys, they did it without proof and we know it's not true but isn't saying the illuminati is bad the same?

I would say the bulk of the pointing fingers at groups like the Illuminati are coming from the Biblical world-view which is a very powerful thinking for thousands of years.  I'm not saying if the saying that Illuminati is evil is true or not, I'm just saying the source of it.  There is the mind-set of the fulfilling of the horrific Revelation scenario that is ever-present.  I so agree that the pervasive thinking about Michael is that he is a druggie and pedophile, and we know it is completely not true. MJ has said that much of history is lies (yet TS is giving us a non-orthodox but Biblical interpretation of the Bible through his Signs 1-3).  Even stating emphatically who the good guys and bad guys are is tricky. Yes the Illuminati may have been behind much historical blood-shed, but when you look at the Bible there is 1000 times more blood-shed by God--the Flood, conquering of the Promised Land, and the plagues at the end of the age in Revelation.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIAS37t_lM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzKtPHSqjM&feature=related[/youtube]

It's only the logo that's visible, the acts and meetings are not transparent.  Why havent we heard from Eminem these past long time, he made an new album, after he said he has quit the illuminati.

Music is a very powerfull medium to send out a message, what is theyre message? And why are some artist getting so big in very short time? While others have probably more talent or way better voices.
You can see the symbols almost in every MTV award, and Music video's, read the lyrics you will find out that it's not from GOD, it's murder and sex and most of the time, i don't consider these lyrics like its from God.

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We all know that there are powerful groups call them Illuminati, Freemasons, Mafia or whatever. The power and ambition are weaknesses of man and many people will do anything to get it. We heard Michael saying how hard the music industry, about racism and abuse of power, we all know of the fall of the career of Mariah Carey on separation of T. Motola. No doubt Michael feared for their lives and their children. So much corruption in the world. Michael knew what could happen long before, and I plan his deception, but still there are many things I have no clear, for example John McClain, said executors, when years before he had fired Michael. And here we have another death in the middle, Pedro Lopez, suicide or murder? The ambition and money make some people have no scruples, remember many letters from Michael's mention of these issues, the lyric of Michael tells us a lot. Nor should we fall into panic, I just learn and wait for the truth is revealed.

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I am neither disagreeing not agreeing with the theory of the existance of the illuminati, I'm just simply putting another spin on perspective. I can't say one way or another if these very people are doing anything bad, nor can I say these are doing good. There is evil in this world as surely as there is good. I just like to call them the power elites because until the evil people come out wearing these logo's it is hard to point the finger directly at them. I've seen the pyramid in music, movies and monuments, I've seen the "horn" sign, I even listened to a lot of back masking.
I just kept coming to the question of if they were hiding their symbols in sight then they are doing a bad job at hiding them, it has become more and more into our culture that it is no longer hidden everyone notices them now. So I then question if the origins of these logos is being used so people are accused of being the evil ones by design and not because they are, could they been the "fall guy" while everyone is looking at the freemasons, no one is looking at them? In society, now with internet in place information comes freely and the headaches begin.
Are we being led in a lie to believe things even when we believe we have woken up to what is going on, could that still be a lie they have created? headaches, the truth is, we do not know what the truth is, everything can be planted, or it may not have been but there is no one single thing to point us in the right direction to confirm that is is undeniably true.
i hope i explained this right. 

and as a side note: just a perspective not of mine because I haven't formed that part of my view yet, but a thought that came to my mind about the peoples raise in power and/or fame could be from talent and the new way people like music. It could be that the population has begun to like such songs as horrible as it is in some instances. This is a perspective that I have not commited to but is a perspect none the less.

Illiminati in songs can be several reasons for being there.
Singers have realized more people believe in this so therefore they sell more music.
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That the elite group is in fact offering them more fame and money in re turn for their alliegence.

The fact still remains that although there is all the theories out there, it can not be taken that it's truth, how many more views do they get from people looking at their video's for the logo's? how many more people hear their music looking for words and meanings?  How much more attention do they get for mentioning the words "illuminati"?

Marshall was being accused of being within the illuminati before he admitted to it, did he see it as a sales pitch or did he really indeed wake up and now shouting out about them? but  then ask one's self, if the 'illuminati' are in control of the music why is his songs of illuminati mainstream not underground? since they use music due to the power of music etc why allow himt o spread the word that could waken the world to their interference and possibley destroy it? If Michael Jackson was told to do things under that drug, what is not to say those singing about the illuminati isn't being told to sing about the illuminati? because only conspiracies exist it's a question that i find no answers one way or another. question everything, isn't that the motto?

From what has been mentioned through out the communities that talk of the illuminati one thing they have stated, that through media of all kinds people are being programmed to switch off when you use certain words like "conpiracy" and I tested it on someone who watched a lot of tv. That is the only proof for me that I have seen, me and this person can talk for a while and then I use the words "conspiracy" and talk about the world and what's happening, power elites and he switches off and then says he has to go. Of course because I do not sit at one thought i questioned if it was because we were on the phone for a while and therefore a coincidence, did he legitmately believe that conspiracy was rediculous or had he been programmed, I have mentioned it in different times and he switches off every time and when I say he watches tv, he does nothing but watch tv other than work. so I don't know.. there is something in that statement.

it begs to question then to say, what if people are programmed to accept that the illuminati are to blame but shut off if someone approaches it being deeper than that? it gives you a lot of headaches, how deep does it go? best description I can come up with to explain is MiB with the locker aliens, and then the world being in a locker also, are people led to believe in a conspiracy deliberately to hide the true conspiracy? these people are powerful,  they leave their calling card in songs but what if the real ones do have their signs hidden in clear sight and the illuminati logos are in fact a decoy?  Possibilities are endless.

about the bible, who has access to the bible and for how many years? someone can fullfill whats being said by force which leads to again the chicken and the egg, do they come true because they were meant to or because they were read and then believed and so came true?

Horoscopes, we can look at the horoscope believe we will meet our knight in shining armor and unknowling put ourselves out there more so that day and indeed find him because we had foresight and so we manipulated it so it happened. Headaches :Pulling_hair:

Please though understand I am not disagreeing at all. There IS evil power out there, and i believe it has got it's hands in a lot of things especially in what is happening with countries right now and the economy but i just don't like pointing a finger when there is questions that can not be answered with something.

but i believe that if the powerful evil is smart enough, you will never see dot to dot connections to do with it, it is all eliminated so there is no trail.
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@leilani, i understand what you are saying,.... something to think about during work today..
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Who was with michael in Bahrain to give him Demerol daily? Just asking myself - if he went to Bahrain to get away from all stress - he was either taking his doctor with him or he had to live there drug -free for 6 months.

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"I can't believe that there is that much MK/mind control programming going on in the industry.  I can see how stars can be influenced by giving them more and more (drugs, sex, etc) but in order to be mind controlled...wouldn't they have to be hypnotized or drugged?  What person would voluntarily do that?  I do believe that stars are killed off once they're not needed or if they try to go against the system....there are just too many "accidental deaths". "

MK programming (imo) is absolutely still going on. I believe the drugging of MJ began after the pepsi "accident". They had to have an excuse to drug him. What better way to drug a man than to put him thru EXTREME chronic pain.

I know Wikipedia isnt always the most reliable source, but I believe this is worth checking out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

"The Agency poured millions of dollars into studies examining methods of influencing and controlling the mind, and of enhancing their ability to extract information from resistant subjects during interrogation.[21][22]

Some historians have asserted that creating a "Manchurian Candidate" subject through "mind control" techniques was a goal of MKULTRA and related CIA projects.[23] Alfred McCoy has claimed that the CIA attempted to focus media attention on these sorts of "ridiculous" programs, so that the public would not look at the primary goal of the research, which was developing effective methods of torture and interrogation. Such authors cite as one example that the CIA's KUBARK interrogation manual refers to "studies at McGill University", and that most of the techniques recommended in KUBARK are exactly those that researcher Donald Ewen Cameron used on his test subjects (sensory deprivation, drugs, isolation, etc.).[21]

One 1955 MKULTRA document gives an indication of the size and range of the effort; this document refers to the study of an assortment of mind-altering substances described as follows:[24]

1.Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
2.Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
3.Materials which will cause the victim to age faster/slower in maturity.
4.Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
5.Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
6.Materials will cause temporary/permanent brain damage and loss of memory.
7.Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called "brain-washing".
8.Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
9.Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
10.Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
11.Substances which will produce a chemical that can cause blisters.
12.Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
13.A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
14.Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
15.Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
16.A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
17.A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity"

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I am neither disagreeing not agreeing with the theory of the existance of the illuminati, I'm just simply putting another spin on perspective. I can't say one way or another if these very people are doing anything bad, nor can I say these are doing good. There is evil in this world as surely as there is good. I just like to call them the power elites because until the evil people come out wearing these logo's it is hard to point the finger directly at them. I've seen the pyramid in music, movies and monuments, I've seen the "horn" sign, I even listened to a lot of back masking.
I just kept coming to the question of if they were hiding their symbols in sight then they are doing a bad job at hiding them, it has become more and more into our culture that it is no longer hidden everyone notices them now. So I then question if the origins of these logos is being used so people are accused of being the evil ones by design and not because they are, could they been the "fall guy" while everyone is looking at the freemasons, no one is looking at them? In society, now with internet in place information comes freely and the headaches begin.
Are we being led in a lie to believe things even when we believe we have woken up to what is going on, could that still be a lie they have created? headaches, the truth is, we do not know what the truth is, everything can be planted, or it may not have been but there is no one single thing to point us in the right direction to confirm that is is undeniably true.
i hope i explained this right. 

and as a side note: just a perspective not of mine because I haven't formed that part of my view yet, but a thought that came to my mind about the peoples raise in power and/or fame could be from talent and the new way people like music. It could be that the population has begun to like such songs as horrible as it is in some instances. This is a perspective that I have not commited to but is a perspect none the less.

Illiminati in songs can be several reasons for being there.
Singers have realized more people believe in this so therefore they sell more music.
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That the elite group is in fact offering them more fame and money in re turn for their alliegence.

The fact still remains that although there is all the theories out there, it can not be taken that it's truth, how many more views do they get from people looking at their video's for the logo's? how many more people hear their music looking for words and meanings?  How much more attention do they get for mentioning the words "illuminati"?

Marshall was being accused of being within the illuminati before he admitted to it, did he see it as a sales pitch or did he really indeed wake up and now shouting out about them? but  then ask one's self, if the 'illuminati' are in control of the music why is his songs of illuminati mainstream not underground? since they use music due to the power of music etc why allow himt o spread the word that could waken the world to their interference and possibley destroy it? If Michael Jackson was told to do things under that drug, what is not to say those singing about the illuminati isn't being told to sing about the illuminati? because only conspiracies exist it's a question that i find no answers one way or another. question everything, isn't that the motto?

From what has been mentioned through out the communities that talk of the illuminati one thing they have stated, that through media of all kinds people are being programmed to switch off when you use certain words like "conpiracy" and I tested it on someone who watched a lot of tv. That is the only proof for me that I have seen, me and this person can talk for a while and then I use the words "conspiracy" and talk about the world and what's happening, power elites and he switches off and then says he has to go. Of course because I do not sit at one thought i questioned if it was because we were on the phone for a while and therefore a coincidence, did he legitmately believe that conspiracy was rediculous or had he been programmed, I have mentioned it in different times and he switches off every time and when I say he watches tv, he does nothing but watch tv other than work. so I don't know.. there is something in that statement.

it begs to question then to say, what if people are programmed to accept that the illuminati are to blame but shut off if someone approaches it being deeper than that? it gives you a lot of headaches, how deep does it go? best description I can come up with to explain is MiB with the locker aliens, and then the world being in a locker also, are people led to believe in a conspiracy deliberately to hide the true conspiracy? these people are powerful,  they leave their calling card in songs but what if the real ones do have their signs hidden in clear sight and the illuminati logos are in fact a decoy?  Possibilities are endless.

about the bible, who has access to the bible and for how many years? someone can fullfill whats being said by force which leads to again the chicken and the egg, do they come true because they were meant to or because they were read and then believed and so came true?

Horoscopes, we can look at the horoscope believe we will meet our knight in shining armor and unknowling put ourselves out there more so that day and indeed find him because we had foresight and so we manipulated it so it happened. Headaches :Pulling_hair:

Please though understand I am not disagreeing at all. There IS evil power out there, and i believe it has got it's hands in a lot of things especially in what is happening with countries right now and the economy but i just don't like pointing a finger when there is questions that can not be answered with something.

but i believe that if the powerful evil is smart enough, you will never see dot to dot connections to do with it, it is all eliminated so there is no trail.






Why the catholic church do this?




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paula-c never seen this image of Jesus in this position. O crucified, or resurrected, never like this.  :icon_exclaim:






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paula-c never seen this image of Jesus in this position. O crucified, or resurrected, never like this.  :icon_exclaim:














It is a church in Cambodia and the priests are Jesuits. It seems that deviates from the subject, but when discussing these things always take us to the policy and the catholic religion

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paula-c Thanks for the data and if you would have no reason to do one thing with another, here are a couple of cases where they mix both. Personally I fail to explain certain matters of religion, I am Catholic Christian, and not with religion itself, is with those who represent it. Thank you again.

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personally i stay away from discussions which are in context religious, my family is a mix with different religions and so I try to stay out of trouble. My grandfather is Irish and he is of the roman catholic religion, my father is an atheist, my mother is of no religion thus far in the way of baptized by was raised in the catholic faith, grandmother is a christian and my aunty by marriage is jewish.

so I creep away when it comes to any of it.
"One of the definitions of sanity is the ability to tell real from unreal. Soon we'll need a new definition.
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mark to read later !
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

 

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