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The involuntary manslaughter trial against former Michael Jackson doctor Conrad Murray is officially winding down, as the defense called its final two witnesses to the stand Thursday (October 27). Day 19 featured crucial testimony from addiction expert Robert Waldman and the man believed to be the defense's star witness, Dr. Paul White, a propofol expert.

The Witnesses
» Dr. Robert Waldman, addiction expert
» Dr. Paul White, anesthesiologist and propofol expert

Key Testimony
» Dr. Waldman testified that in examining the records of Jackson's use and reception of the sedative Demerol, the singer received unusually large doses of the drug and that Jackson had started to become immune to its potency. Waldman admitted, after a heated cross-examination by the prosecution, that while Jackson seemed to have a dependency on the drug, he was not addicted to it.

» At one point during cross-examination, Waldman was asked if he would consider administering a dangerous or harmful drug to a patient if the patient requested it. Waldman's response: "Absolutely."

» Dr. White kicked off the afternoon session by explaining to the court that he has been researching the use and effects of propofol since 1983, six years before it was approved by the FDA.

» When asked by the defense if he could justify administering propofol to a patient and then leaving that patient unsupervised, as Murray is said to have done, White said, "Absolutely not." He also stated that he wouldn't have expected Jackson to die from the amount of propofol Murray claimed he administered to the pop star. White is expected to take the stand again Friday when the trial resumes at 8:45 a.m. PT.

Murray has pleaded not guilty to the charge of involuntary manslaughter. He faces four years in prison and the loss of his medical license.

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Finally some people who are telling the truth, Michael was not addicted to propofol...
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I don't believe one can be "addicted" to Propofol at all. Because of it's chemistry.
It's not heroin or alcohol. Damn wish I was more articulate and fluent in English  :lol:
They tried to bring Demerol back yesterday, but failed IMHO. Bring Klein in or
shut up if you have nothing but papers with someone's handwriting on, proving
nothing really.
And.. yes, no one seems to understand MJ's death  :roll: Mystery!

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The title of this article doesn't tie in with the actual report. The article says Waldman said MJ was not addicted to Demerol NOT Propofol. And Demerol is NOT a sedative, as reported, but an opioid, for pain relief not sedation.  GET IT RIGHT SLOPPY REPORTERS. If I can make notes on what is ACTUALLY said, SO SHOULD YOU! IT'S YOUR DAMN JOB.

(Sorry!)
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Finally some people who are telling the truth, Michael was not addicted to propofol...


about bloody time!!! hoorah /bravo/
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Waldman was talking about Demerol not propofol. He did not say MJ wasn't addicted to Propofol.
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ah, i have it out of context. thought it was being spoken of, the otherway round
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OK I don't find that last thread about his addiction to propofol but I had to post this somewhere.

Some time ago I've asked a specialist doctor on a romanian site what about the side effects if it's administered for many years every night for sleeping.

He doctor answered me he does not understand the my question, because Propofol is an anesthetic.

To this I asked him if it is realistic for us to believe that a person can sleep every night for years using propofol or this would be fatal or make that person a vegetable in a few months.

The doctor answered this would NOT BE POSSIBLE FOR  MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS.

Well that was it for me, as Murray said Michael asked for his milk like he used his milk for years. Like I said, this story just does not make sense so even if it's so hurtful to keep going I got to be here :(.

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Let's for a moment think all is true and MJ died from Propofol. Even if he had used Prop. to sleep for years, it would not make him addicted to Propofol. Propofol is an anestetic, does not have addictive properties as painkillers have. So, Michael just WANTED TO SLEEP and found Propofol as the only drug that was able to knock him out for some time even though that was not a healthy good night sleep. It's just assholes used to make out of everything big deal in here and call names like "addicted" to everything who abuses using something.  MJ had addiction to painkillers and he got that label "addicted" forever. But IF he died from Propofol, he did not have to be addicted to that drug, it could have killed him because it was used often and improperly with no necessary med. caution. The question is whether Michael would let himself to do such a careless things. Possible? Maybe because he needed to sleep, not because he was addicted. But hopefully that is not the case.
Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 01:30:43 AM by scorpionchik
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Hi Scorpionchik  :) I agree with you.....what if?  If this was even the case with the propofol I don't believe it was an addiction.  If it was, somethymes things just go wrong.  I also agree that Michael had addiction issues in the past.  But that was in the past.  This propofol stuff blows my mind as when used does not promote restful sleep that's not it's purpose, we know that.  So if we know that, Michael "knew" that.  Being a genius of a man I can't see him wanting something like this.  But I do realize we do things that we wouldn't normally do when we are in need, in this case sleep.   So would Michael let himself do such a a careless thing?  I guess it really could be possible, he is only human.  I hope someday we find our answers.  My bottom line is this, Michael spent his whole life being aware, preparing and guiding himself through.  I can't see him doing something like this to his kids and himself he is just to genius of a man.  That's just my way of thinking.  Take care, Love to You
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OK I don't find that last thread about his addiction to propofol but I had to post this somewhere.

Some time ago I've asked a specialist doctor on a romanian site what about the side effects if it's administered for many years every night for sleeping.

He doctor answered me he does not understand the my question, because Propofol is an anesthetic.

To this I asked him if it is realistic for us to believe that a person can sleep every night for years using propofol or this would be fatal or make that person a vegetable in a few months.

The doctor answered this would NOT BE POSSIBLE FOR  MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS.

Well that was it for me, as Murray said Michael asked for his milk like he used his milk for years. Like I said, this story just does not make sense so even if it's so hurtful to keep going I got to be here :(.

@Gina - I believe you're on to something! I've always believed the blonde baby doll was his daughter's, and they'd all sleep with him!
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Re: Why I really don't believe any of it...BM
February 06, 2012, 07:07:32 AM
@Scorpionchik, @ SandyThyme:
Didn't either ONE of you read my personal experience? I really didn't want to get into it, but I'm going to now - I didn't say everything.

Propofol leaves you GROGGY FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, perhaps DAYS! You sleep for the rest of the day! Now tell me: how can you use that, ONCE a day, or every few days? You're DOWN & OUT for a few days at a time, because it taxes your body severely!

Next - any nurses here? If there are, you KNOW about the "BIG BM!" The sheets are CLEAN, where the Paramedics claim Michael had died in there care. IMPOSSIBLE!

When you die, your sphincter relaxes, and you pee and defecate on yourself.

NOW you see why I don't believe ONE iota of any of the witness accounts? I didn't say a word, until after this went to court! Out of all the infamous descriptions, THIS most important one, was LEFT OUT. That's why they use the LA Coroner bags, to contain feces, urine and blood!

Let me see - a sheet tied at the top of the head, belted, that moves in the helicopter, that's then moved to the side, inside of "RESCUE 5" of all things. Oh, plus it was moved to the side, and the OTHER gurney was moved.

Gee, sounds like an Illusion, wouldn't you say?

As disgusting as what I've pointed out, friends of mine worked in hospices. Each and every time, it happened, when people died.

So tell me: what rocks have I now left unturned, in conjunction with what Jermaine and Latoya have said?

If you don't believe Michael committed an Illusion worthy of Harry Houdini, then I just don't know what to say to convince you otherwise.
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OMG Tink...it's difficult to read but I see your point.
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Re: Why I really don't believe any of it...BM
February 06, 2012, 07:43:29 AM
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@Scorpionchik, @ SandyThyme:
Didn't either ONE of you read my personal experience? I really didn't want to get into it, but I'm going to now - I didn't say everything.

Propofol leaves you GROGGY FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, perhaps DAYS! You sleep for the rest of the day! Now tell me: how can you use that, ONCE a day, or every few days? You're DOWN & OUT for a few days at a time, because it taxes your body severely!

Next - any nurses here? If there are, you KNOW about the "BIG BM!" The sheets are CLEAN, where the Paramedics claim Michael had died in there care. IMPOSSIBLE!

When you die, your sphincter relaxes, and you pee and defecate on yourself.

NOW you see why I don't believe ONE iota of any of the witness accounts? I didn't say a word, until after this went to court! Out of all the infamous descriptions, THIS most important one, was LEFT OUT. That's why they use the LA Coroner bags, to contain feces, urine and blood!

Let me see - a sheet tied at the top of the head, belted, that moves in the helicopter, that's then moved to the side, inside of "RESCUE 5" of all things. Oh, plus it was moved to the side, and the OTHER gurney was moved.

Gee, sounds like an Illusion, wouldn't you say?

As disgusting as what I've pointed out, friends of mine worked in hospices. Each and every time, it happened, when people died.

So tell me: what rocks have I now left unturned, in conjunction with what Jermaine and Latoya have said?

If you don't believe Michael committed an Illusion worthy of Harry Houdini, then I just don't know what to say to convince you otherwise.

 /bravo/
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@Scorpionchik, @ SandyThyme:
Didn't either ONE of you read my personal experience? I really didn't want to get into it, but I'm going to now - I didn't say everything.

Propofol leaves you GROGGY FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, perhaps DAYS! You sleep for the rest of the day! Now tell me: how can you use that, ONCE a day, or every few days? You're DOWN & OUT for a few days at a time, because it taxes your body severely!

Next - any nurses here? If there are, you KNOW about the "BIG BM!" The sheets are CLEAN, where the Paramedics claim Michael had died in there care. IMPOSSIBLE!

When you die, your sphincter relaxes, and you pee and defecate on yourself.

NOW you see why I don't believe ONE iota of any of the witness accounts? I didn't say a word, until after this went to court! Out of all the infamous descriptions, THIS most important one, was LEFT OUT. That's why they use the LA Coroner bags, to contain feces, urine and blood!

Let me see - a sheet tied at the top of the head, belted, that moves in the helicopter, that's then moved to the side, inside of "RESCUE 5" of all things. Oh, plus it was moved to the side, and the OTHER gurney was moved.

Gee, sounds like an Illusion, wouldn't you say?

As disgusting as what I've pointed out, friends of mine worked in hospices. Each and every time, it happened, when people died.

So tell me: what rocks have I now left unturned, in conjunction with what Jermaine and Latoya have said?

If you don't believe Michael committed an Illusion worthy of Harry Houdini, then I just don't know what to say to convince you otherwise.


@ Tink, I love you for your crude harsh honesty (and hoping none of it offends Mr Jackson of course) I too have pointed this out in previous posts.

without wanting to be degrading, this information is VERY important and is a dead giveaway that this was an illusion.

i agree with this Kras post wholeheartedly - and that isnt meant to sound as though i am offended. completely the opposite in fact.

what you pointed out gets missed, over and over and over agian.
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