If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

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If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 12:08:38 PM
The trial is going to begin soon and I wanted to ask this tough question. The recent news about the trial do not seem on Murray's side. The lost pharmacist is found and he is going to testify, Prince is going to testify too. So what if Murray goes to prison? Will you still believe Michael is alive?

I will believe no matter what. Even if I see Murray in prison, it means nothing. It can be a part of the plan and also it would make the BAM more surprising, and shocking to the world. So what I'm saying is, pls do not lose your hope whatever happens like TS says. Anything can happen. Remember everything we have found till today, be strong and keep your faith.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 12:48:51 PM
Yesterday, exact the same question have crossed my mind. I will still believe but with doubts.... because I don't think that Michael wants a person to go to jail....

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
Purelove I believe.  No matter what happens, I have faith.  This journey has been for a far greater reason than we will probably ever know.  But it is an adventure...a great adventure.  Two many clues, two many things add up, down and all around to be anything other than he is alive.  I truly believe he is no matter what.  If Murray goes to prison it will just be another piece of the puzzle.  Patience is very important.  But can be difficult somethings.  But I will not give up hope.  Take care, Love to All  bearhug

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 01:10:15 PM
I believe strongly that this is a hoax court. That being said, if Murray "went" to prison, it would be part of the story line.


But wondering about this is a little like wondering what I would do if the sun explodes.


I do believe the road is going to get very bumpy for believers at the same time it gets a little smoother for the non-believers. I expect some attempt to recruit a few more of their numbers as the days pass. I also expect to be tested; the ultimate test awaits us.


Again I will say, I see a growing movement from believers to talk themselves out of believing. It's been a quiet undertone for months, and it's turning into a dull roar as of late.


I wish people would be honest with themselves, as then they could face their fears, cowgirl up, and soldier on. But until that happens they are doomed to the spiral of self doubt, self deception, and insecurity.


Michael didn't sing Keep The Faith to remind people about God n Jesus. He sang it for us... believers... 18 years ago. Keep it your anthem.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
Pure Love, i'm also stay believing nothing can get me out of that,  i have faith, what ever may happen in the future.  :),
“In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.”
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 02:05:24 PM
I only could immagine that Michael is "Behind the mask" of Murray, and he takes off the mask before he has to go to jail ^^ and says

sooooo, you guys want an innocent man go to jail?

This would be very funny and schoking....

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 02:25:47 PM
I think we need to be prepared for anything - Murray may be found guilty and appear to 'go to jail', but it won't necessarily mean he's really there.  ;)

But before we get anywhere near that, the trial actually has to take place, and there's still time for another delay.  I'd rather get over that hurdle first!

And yes, whatever happens, I'll still believe!

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
Ever since June 25, 2009, I have believed Michael is alive. However, from what I know of Michael, he is a sweet, loving, kind, and gentle person who would not let an innocent man go to prison. Nor would he tarnish an innocent man's image by making it look like he went to prison even if he's not actually there (Michael knows what that feels like - his image got tarnished even though he was 1000 % innocent). So, therefore, if Murray goes to jail I will probably lose my faith slowly but surely only because I truly believe that Michael would not let and innocent man go to prison or let his image get tarnished by Michael's fans, the media, and the public. I know we have found a lot in the past 2 years since Michael's "death", however, you never know. Maybe there are such things as coincidences, or maybe these clues were placed here for us to find by the people who planned to murder MJ, if he is actually dead, to stop us from finding out the real truth on who killed Michael. However, again, I will NEVER lose my faith unless Murray goes to jail. So, until then, I'm gonna keep watchin', see what goes down at this trial, and keep my faith until the judge's final decision! :D
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
Everybody has they're price. Murray is exposed to 4 yrs max. With appeals and "good behavior" he'll be out in 2 1/2 yrs. If MJ says do a few yrs and I'll give you 10 million for your coperation. Most pple may not say "yes" right away, but I'm sure most may think about it for a while.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 03:12:02 PM

@IWantYouBack, when I said this:

I think we need to be prepared for anything - Murray may be found guilty and appear to 'go to jail', but it won't necessarily mean he's really there.  ;)


I wasn't thinking that that would be the end of the story (Murray with tarnished reputation, even if not really in jail).

Do you think MJ has plans to 'come back' in some way?  I do, so when that happens, anything that has happened to Murray will automatically be eradicated!

And yes, LoveNeedsExpression, I'm sure Murray is being paid well for his part in all this, however far it eventually goes.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 03:30:04 PM
I won't worry if he's found guilty. I'll see it as part of the scenario.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 03:49:46 PM
Yes , ill always believe! :mrgreen:
No matter what happens, nothing can destroy my faith after ALL THESE YEARS. ;)
I'll just believe it's part of the plan. Michael's in control.  8-)


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 04:38:23 PM
I think we need to be prepared for anything - Murray may be found guilty and appear to 'go to jail', but it won't necessarily mean he's really there.  ;)

But before we get anywhere near that, the trial actually has to take place, and there's still time for another delay.  I'd rather get over that hurdle first!

And yes, whatever happens, I'll still believe!

Perfectly said curls. Even if we see him going into the jail, it doesn't mean that he is going into the jail for real. Like Michael's death is not real, like the court is not real, the prison doesn't need to be real.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 04:46:52 PM

@IWantYouBack, when I said this:

I think we need to be prepared for anything - Murray may be found guilty and appear to 'go to jail', but it won't necessarily mean he's really there.  ;)


I wasn't thinking that that would be the end of the story (Murray with tarnished reputation, even if not really in jail).

Do you think MJ has plans to 'come back' in some way?  I do, so when that happens, anything that has happened to Murray will automatically be eradicated!

And yes, LoveNeedsExpression, I'm sure Murray is being paid well for his part in all this, however far it eventually goes.

I knew what you meant, no worries. :) However, I do hope and think that Michael will eventually make a return, however, we don't know for sure. If Murray goes to jail, I am going to find it hard to think "Oh, well he's off to prison, but no worries, Michal is on his way back! So it's all going to be fine and dandy with Murray soon" because I don't know that for sure. I'm praying and hoping that is the case, but I just don't know. All I can go on is the information I have learned and gathered up until the day of the judge's final decision and unfortunately none of that information, for me, points to a 100 % FOR SURE comeback.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
If Murray goes to jail, it would not be for killing Michael.

Jermaine said that even of Murray goes to jail, that won´t bring Michael back  :-\
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 05:03:28 PM
Maybe I'll manage to go on after such a verdict but I will be very depressed...I just can not accept, like TMZ said:
"....For it all to end on June 25, 2009, with his sudden death at age 50 of a drug-induced cardiac arrest, just as he was coming out of a four-year reclusive period and rehearsing for a sold-out London concert "comeback" in July, seems uncommonly cruel and tragic "
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 05:37:58 PM
Ohh c'mon guys, why do I see sad faces again? Who cares if Jermaine said it won't bring Michael back. He says that there's no hoax and Michael is dead for real. Do we believe him? So why do we believe what he says about the trial and it won't bring Michael back?

Gina, it is not only TMZ who says these kind of things about Michael. he is still dead to the world and the family and TMZ are doing their parts perfectly. Remember all the clues TMZ gave to us but they need to feed the story and make it look like it is real. That's the reason why they make such articles.

Stay strong guys. There's nothing to lose faith. He will be back. He never left us alone tho but still we will see him in flesh and bone. Just BELIEVE it and it will happen. Hugs for you all.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 05:56:51 PM
Maybe...the trial will come and go...a few months.  Be finished by the end of the year.  Maybe "the trial won't bring Michael back" because it won't.  Whether or not Murray goes free may not be the reason to return.  It may be a chapter in the hoax is all.  I'd say, if Murray goes to jail, it will be a short time if he even goes to a REAL jail and not just a set it anyplace at all.  If he goes free...??  I just thing Jermaine didn't lie and it's a clue.  The trial won't bring Michael back.  He'll be back before, during or after, of course, but NOT because of the trial.  So, the trial isn't the cusp of the hoax as we'd wanted to presume. 

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:03:53 PM
I have never been completely sure that Murray is a 100% good guy in the hoax.  If he goes to prison,  after all has been alleged by him during these months, then I’m willing to accept that my uncertainties were right on and he sadly deserves to be there.  Not for killing Michael as he has contended all along that he didn’t, but for being a part of the plan to ensure that Michael would be rendered unable to fulfill his contractual obligations, be it by force or desparation.  I have felt that Murray inadvertently became a part of an elaborate, deceitful scheme and possibly did not know to what extent his servics would be required until he got his work plan.   However, due to his financial situation he was helpless to follow his orders and made virtually a puppet to do as he was told.  I still believe even if Murray goes to jail, possibly for a lesser charge, that Michael got away. /white flag/

Sometimes, I actually feel a little sorry for Murray.  I do believe that he once was an upstanding member of his little community.  I can imagine that he many days feels like he wants to kick his own ass for not having taken a more professional look at what must have seemed the opportunity of a lifetime.  Had he done so, his life too would surely have taken a different more honorable turn.  Money or the temptation of having more than you’ve ever dreamed, can most times make us do foolish things.  Murray learned the hard way. respect/
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
Oh dear, hesouttamylife, I wonder if I've been following the same hoax as you!  Respectfully, can I ask if you really believe the scenario you've just outlined?  I think I'll leave it at that!

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:24:16 PM


Stay strong guys, we have have come too far to throw in the towel now, even if Dr Murray goes to jail I will still believe Michael is still alive, everything is way to weird to believe otherwise.


Hold on tight now, its going to be a bumpy ride and no mistake.   bangbang


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
Yes I do.  From day one.  I respect other opinions and look at them from every point of view.  However, I still have my own gut feeling.  I could verty well be wrong.  Actually I wold welcome it.  But as of this day, yes absolutely, I feel this is a real possibility.
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:38:48 PM
i think if Murray goes to jail then mj passed away
1)because i think mj wouldn't make a person go through jail for the hoax
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2)im pretty sure you cant go to jail for killing Michael Joseph Jackson (Fake Identity)
so he would've had to have killed the Michael Joe Jackson
but i think that as soon as a verdict is to be read mj will announce himself alive right before it! moonwalk_/

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:43:28 PM
I have never stopped believing that Michael had to fake his death because his real life was in danger.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 06:56:15 PM
Yes I do.  From day one.  I respect other opinions and look at them from every point of view.  However, I still have my own gut feeling.  I could verty well be wrong.  Actually I wold welcome it.  But as of this day, yes absolutely, I feel this is a real possibility.

I have never stopped believing that Michael had to fake his death because his real life was in danger.

So the idea of MJ spending years planning his death hoax doesn't fit into your theory at all, you think it was a last minute 'escape', he was in danger, yet he still managed and wanted to plant inconsistencies and clues to point to him 'escaping'?  I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, my friend!  bearhug

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 07:11:01 PM
I have heard Michael say in interviews years before this hoax that he was tired of doing concerts and that he would some day like to do other things in the business and otherwisely. There are many clues along the way that he wanted to “get away”.  But I don’t think he had set June 25 to be the day.  I think that circumstances surrounding him and this concert made him have to get away sooner than later.  What thoes circumstances were to a science, I cannot say.  But I do feel it was serious and life changing. /white flag/
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 07:46:53 PM
I have heard Michael say in interviews years before this hoax that he was tired of doing concerts and that he would some day like to do other things in the business and otherwisely. There are many clues along the way that he wanted to “get away”.  But I don’t think he had set June 25 to be the day.  I think that circumstances surrounding him and this concert made him have to get away sooner than later.  What thoes circumstances were to a science, I cannot say.  But I do feel it was serious and life changing. /white flag/

I totally agree with you. I personally think someone or a group of people threatened his family because in those voicemails he said, "I'm afriad for my life and for my children. We're being stalked. I found a place that I like and I want to be away for a while" in 2008, so I think he has been planning this for at the most 2 years. I personally think SOME of the inconsistencies are small loop-holes and mess-ups during the hoax that we weren't supposed to truly find while others were purposely left by Michael.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 20, 2011, 11:34:18 PM
I would like to thank purelove to open this thread. I have seen so many people losing faith it is incredible. I also have seen so many new members joining this forum, welcome all.. This means more and more none believers are becoming believers. Now even if Murray is going to jail, does it occur to you that maybe Michael knew he wanted to kill him and got help from someone to fake his death? Murray thinks Michael really died? This is one scenario. The other scenario is Murray is innocent, and yes Michael has a great wonderful soul he will not let an innocent man go to  jail. Either way we should not lose faith, nor hope. Michael is alive and well. Now as for Jermaine saying my brother will never come back or it will not bring him back, if you were Michael sibling, what would you have said? Yes Michael will come back? I don't think so.. You will protect your brother right? So like Purelove said WHO CARES WHAT JERMAINE SAID. LOOK AT ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST 2 YRS.. IF THIS IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ... blessings to all.


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 12:19:14 AM
Wow - such an interesting (and loaded) question. Thank you for bringing this up because at some point we all need to face the truth of what we really beLIEve in our heart.

Yes, it's going to get very uncomfortable for us. It will take lots of faith (the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen).

From the bottom of my heart I beLIEve 100% that Michael is alive. Even in spite of Jermaine telling us there is no hoax.  It hasn't come solely because of TS, Front, or Back even though their pieces have been helpful. It's come from every day being on the Internet (and here on the forum) reading, searching, learning, listening, and watching it unfold before our eyes. It comes from thinking it through in my mind and forming my own opinions.

Will I still believe if Conrad Murray goes to jail? Well, there are no guarantees for sure of what will happen. I look at it this way - Dr Murray is probably not a real doctor but he could be an FBI or undercover agent that is using this as a cover to get inside the jail system. What jail will he go to if he's convicted? I'm not sure but we know that there are serious issues with innocent people being convicted of crimes they don't commit. We also know there is corruption within the jail system, and it seems like California justice system is majoring in corruption.

Or, maybe he's just a great actor. Like others have said, we aren't even sure he'll go to jail even if it's in the papers that he did. Remember when he supposedly was booked into jail when he turned himself in and then posted a $7500 bail yet when someone checked they not only found no record of him being booked but they also found a $0 amount of bail posted? Smoke and mirrors.

So, yes, I will still beLIEve even if he goes to jail because we don't know the full purpose of the hoax. I will continue to watch it unfold because I believe  this will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. (Martin Luther King - August 28,1963)
 
Keep the faith and remain strong. Know what led you here and what has kept you here for so long. Have courage of conviction because we aren't crazy. Don't buy into the media lies. Read between the lines always.

Love and blessings to each of you  bearhug


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 12:28:03 AM
Great post, voiceforthesilent!

Well, I don't think we can ever say, "Michael would never do this or that", because he likes doing the unexpected. Perhaps even while Murray's in prison, "reporters" can expose problems there. We know MJ will return with a BAM, but we just don't know how he's going to get there, and he wants to keep that his big suspenseful secret. Anything can happen. I trust MJ, TS and Front to drive that silly little truck of his with us in the back, safe and sound, in spite of not watching where he's going. mj_dance/

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Believe in yourself no matter what it's gonna take
You can be a winner but you gotta keep the faith
Gon' keep it brother
You got

And when you think of trust
Does it lead you home?
To a place that you only dream of
When you're all alone

And you can go by feel
'Stead of circumstance
But the power's in believing
So give yourself a chance

I know that you can
Sail across the water
Float across the sky-i  (MJ-Air)
Any road that you take will get you there
If you only try

So keep the faith
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Don't let nobody take you down brother
Just keep your eyes on the prize
Feet flat on the ground

So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 01:09:42 AM
My answer would be no! The numerology and many other things convince me a long time ago. Just have patience and perseverance, nothing can change what you already know.  rr/

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 01:39:25 AM
I like that thought that Michael wrote Keep the faith for us 18 years ago.
Anyway, I think Mr. Conrad Murray will never spend one single day in prison.
But we just have to wait and see.

Mr. Front told us to exercise our patience again. This doesn't suit me at all, I am not patient by my nature, so I'll go from heaven to hell and back during the trial and after....hope not to end up with a heart attack /white flag/

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 01:41:34 AM
They promise to Murray 4 year in prison @ TMZ posted @  --  exacly how they was promised 4 Michael  on his trail @. So , there wl b NO PRISON 4 inoocent man!

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 02:14:59 AM
My answer would be no! The numerology and many other things convince me a long time ago. Just have patience and perseverance, nothing can change what you already know.  rr/


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Most applicable lyrics in the anthem to current events:


Don't let nobody turn you 'round brother
Just keep your eyes on the prize
And your feet flat on the ground


So keep the faith
Baby yeah

Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out



Believe in yourself no matter it comes to
You can be a winner but you got to keep the faith



Listen to it again and know that Michael is singing to YOU right NOW.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 02:33:14 AM
Yes, I would still believe. But I can't believe that Michael would let the innocent man go to jail for something he didn't do, just to keep on with his original plan.

Michael has fans all over the world - even in prisons. Just imagine what would happen to Murray if he went to jail for killing the king of pop. Michael couldn't/wouldn't allow this, could/would he?

And I think hat there's really a big chance that Murray will be found guilty. Which really shouldn't happen, because you can do a lot with money - and Michael and his family has money. They could help Murray and so Michael wouldn't have to come back just because of this.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 03:52:31 AM
I guess I would still believe, but it would be hard for me. Like many people have already said, I don't believe that Michael would let an innocent man go to jail.

There was a point in time where Keep The Faith was all I listened to. It's such a beautiful song. Gotta keep listening to it, you guys have got it stuck in my head!  ;D
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 06:55:51 AM
Wow - such an interesting (and loaded) question. Thank you for bringing this up because at some point we all need to face the truth of what we really beLIEve in our heart.

Yes, it's going to get very uncomfortable for us. It will take lots of faith (the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen).

From the bottom of my heart I beLIEve 100% that Michael is alive. Even in spite of Jermaine telling us there is no hoax.  It hasn't come solely because of TS, Front, or Back even though their pieces have been helpful. It's come from every day being on the Internet (and here on the forum) reading, searching, learning, listening, and watching it unfold before our eyes. It comes from thinking it through in my mind and forming my own opinions.

Will I still believe if Conrad Murray goes to jail? Well, there are no guarantees for sure of what will happen. I look at it this way - Dr Murray is probably not a real doctor but he could be an FBI or undercover agent that is using this as a cover to get inside the jail system. What jail will he go to if he's convicted? I'm not sure but we know that there are serious issues with innocent people being convicted of crimes they don't commit. We also know there is corruption within the jail system, and it seems like California justice system is majoring in corruption.

Or, maybe he's just a great actor. Like others have said, we aren't even sure he'll go to jail even if it's in the papers that he did. Remember when he supposedly was booked into jail when he turned himself in and then posted a $7500 bail yet when someone checked they not only found no record of him being booked but they also found a $0 amount of bail posted? Smoke and mirrors.

So, yes, I will still beLIEve even if he goes to jail because we don't know the full purpose of the hoax. I will continue to watch it unfold because I believe  this will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. (Martin Luther King - August 28,1963)
 
Keep the faith and remain strong. Know what led you here and what has kept you here for so long. Have courage of conviction because we aren't crazy. Don't buy into the media lies. Read between the lines always.

Love and blessings to each of you  bearhug

Totally agree. Amazing post voice.  /bravo/

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Faith is only true when you can not see what you believe in..........

I have had faith this is a hoax, I will continue to have faith this is a hoax. 
If Murray ends up in jail for this, my faith will not dwindle away, it will be tested.
As sure as the sun will rise, my faith will stay the same;
ever present,
ever strong,
ever alive. 


This hoax is everything to everyone.......we have all found parts of ourselves we didn't know existed.
Michael.....the faith has been kept, and will be to come....


Blessings to all

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

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If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

Yes.  ;D
We are here for you Michael and will always love you whatever happens.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 01:38:14 PM
Just read all the posts in this thread...hadn't 'ventured' in here til now.  Based on what I read and SEE (the 'wavering', the doubts, the fears, the insecurities...and also the 'unwavering', the undoubtful, the unafraid, and the ones who are 'sure')...I think we're ALL in for one hell of a ride with the upcoming trial...whenever it takes place.
 
No matter what we 'think' will happen and no matter what we 'think' our reaction(s) will be...THINK of who is running the show and THE MAN you've come to KNOW over the past 2 years.  I think Mike enjoys having us on the 'edge of our seats'...he WANTS us to remain a little bit unsure, a little bit doubtful.  Everything we've learned about Mike points to the fact that he LOVES entertaining people, he LOVES putting on a good show, and he LOVES surprise endings.
 
Even for those of us who lean heavily on having 'no doubts'...I'm sure Mike has kept a few things up his sleeve for us too ("Exhibit B gonna rock that trial").
 
@bec...thanks for the 'anthem'...most fitting thread, at the moment, to hear it in.  I have a feeling I'll be singing it daily once the trial starts  ;) .
 
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 01:48:15 PM
@Change


"Even for those of us who lean heavily on having 'no doubts'...I'm sure Mike has kept a few things up his sleeve for us too ("Exhibit B gonna rock that trial")."


Very true words.....Exhibit B does make me a tad nervous ....just when I was all calm, cool and somewhat collected
 /overreacting/
Guess that seatbelt will need fastening after all..........dang. 



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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 03:48:34 PM
I think we should really fastened our seat belts, we will meet lots of bumpy roads  with this trial.. It may feel we are in Disney land, or Disney World  lolol/.. There will be lots of ups and downs.. a circus and like TS said a Kangaroo show... God help us all..


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

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Yes.  ;D

 /bravo/  I loved your answer Sarahli.  :mrgreen:

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

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If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

Yes.  ;D

 /bravo/  I loved your answer Sarahli.  :mrgreen:

Thank you, I wanted to make it very concise in order to put more weight in my belief. LOL.  geek/
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
I will always believe! /toldya/


You rocked my world, you know you did
And everything I own I give
The rarest love who\'d think I\'d find
Someone like you to call mine




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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
I will always beLIEve 100%! Sure there are challenging times but nothing and no one can change all we've discovered so far. It doesn't cancel it out. Don't let anyone or anything get you thinking otherwise. Even if Murray goes to prison, this will be the ultimate test to beLIEvers, will YOU really be there for MJ? Murray going to prison does not just put a line through everything we've all learned since June 25 2009 and make it mean absolutely nothing. It's still there, it's still valid and it's still the truth and it always will be! I'm expecting MJ to push our patience until the very end and I see it very likely that in order to do this that he'd have Murray sent to prison. MJ is proving a point and when the showman comes back, we will truly know why. The world will think it's all wrapped up with the life of MJ if Murray goes to prison. The world will think there is nothing left to say. But then BAM! Just like that MJ would have the world's attention once more. Even if Murray goes to prison, like it says in 'Threatened': "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare (Murray being convicted for killing MJ). It isn’t. It’s the beginning (Where we would eventually get a BAM)."  mj_dance/ bearhug
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 21, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
When I was creating this thread I was expecting more people to say that they will be losing their faith if Murray gets into prison but wow, look at us!!! I'm so proud of you guys. I can see how strong your faith is and how sure you are that Michael is alive and I'm so proud of you all.  bearhug

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 22, 2011, 02:01:19 AM
Wow - such an interesting (and loaded) question. Thank you for bringing this up because at some point we all need to face the truth of what we really beLIEve in our heart.

Yes, it's going to get very uncomfortable for us. It will take lots of faith (the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen).

From the bottom of my heart I beLIEve 100% that Michael is alive. Even in spite of Jermaine telling us there is no hoax.  It hasn't come solely because of TS, Front, or Back even though their pieces have been helpful. It's come from every day being on the Internet (and here on the forum) reading, searching, learning, listening, and watching it unfold before our eyes. It comes from thinking it through in my mind and forming my own opinions.

Will I still believe if Conrad Murray goes to jail? Well, there are no guarantees for sure of what will happen. I look at it this way - Dr Murray is probably not a real doctor but he could be an FBI or undercover agent that is using this as a cover to get inside the jail system. What jail will he go to if he's convicted? I'm not sure but we know that there are serious issues with innocent people being convicted of crimes they don't commit. We also know there is corruption within the jail system, and it seems like California justice system is majoring in corruption.

Or, maybe he's just a great actor. Like others have said, we aren't even sure he'll go to jail even if it's in the papers that he did. Remember when he supposedly was booked into jail when he turned himself in and then posted a $7500 bail yet when someone checked they not only found no record of him being booked but they also found a $0 amount of bail posted? Smoke and mirrors.

So, yes, I will still beLIEve even if he goes to jail because we don't know the full purpose of the hoax. I will continue to watch it unfold because I believe  this will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. (Martin Luther King - August 28,1963)
 
Keep the faith and remain strong. Know what led you here and what has kept you here for so long. Have courage of conviction because we aren't crazy. Don't buy into the media lies. Read between the lines always.

Love and blessings to each of you  bearhug

@voice. thank you for your post. as i am new to MJDH there are still things i need to clear up. many, many things. i dont have doubts, but quesitons. obviously time, more research and seeking those answers will help me fill the gaps. your post actually addressed one of my concerns, dr murray.... you are right we need to be strong, keep faith and stop taking everything at a superficial level.

coining your very own sentence "have courage of conviction becasue we arent crazy" is something that i am going to hold dear to my heart throughout this process of learning. thank you.

sometimes jermaines comments throw me off. but i need to keep strong and look at other things, the things that are blatant facts that can't be refuted....

L.O.V.E to you.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 22, 2011, 09:44:56 AM
i will still believe for sure!!! /bravo/ /bravo/
i believe in michael
but in other way ,i also dont think that mj will let an innocent man go into prison

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

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Yes.
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 22, 2011, 05:37:31 PM
i will still believe for sure!!! /bravo/ /bravo/
i believe in michael
but in other way ,i also dont think that mj will let an innocent man go into prison

Yes, but he can go into "prison" like he paid "bail". You know what I'm saying? ;)

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: September 23, 2011, 03:15:36 AM
I have no doubt this trial is going to test us all as believers.....in a way that will be different to how it will test the non-believers.
 
I have been listening alot to "Keep the Faith" lately and really focussing on Michael's words - like it was written for us all those years ago. It keeps me strong.
 
If CM goes to jail I will still believe Michael is alive because nothing can erase the past 27 months of weirdness, inconsistencies, BS, clues, numerology and everything we have found.
 
If CM does go to jail it will be a big test for us that's for sure, in the same way the Memorial was, like the funeral was, like the autopsy report was, like the pre-trial of Dr M was, like when Dr M was committed to stand trial..........all of those things tested us hugely and we still came out the other end believing even more because we saw through it all.
 
If Dr M does go to jail...my thought is that it will be an illusion....it may look like he does but just like voiceforthesilent said earlier:
 
 

Like others have said, we aren't even sure he'll go to jail even if it's in the papers that he did. Remember when he supposedly was booked into jail when he turned himself in and then posted a $7500 bail yet when someone checked they not only found no record of him being booked but they also found a $0 amount of bail posted? Smoke and mirrors.

Bring on the trial I say....it's gonna be really really exciting and interesting

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 26, 2011, 10:27:16 PM
I have believed since June 25th, 2009, there is nothing that will change that, even now after the verdict ... Sometimes I feel Michael is testing us to see if we will give up when we are faced with a bump in the road but we know the truth.

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 01:47:52 AM
Yes.

Because I believe in Michael.


I believed in him in 1993 (after the fact- I was much too young at that time!),
I believed in him in the 2005 trial, even in the hardest of times when my heart had to reassure my mind that kept saying I was wrong whilst it was being force-fed "facts" and "the real situation" from the media...


Every difficult time we went through together, I always put my trust in how I know him so well.
(Even when he surprises me...)

And this is no different.


The media can "report", but I choose to believe in the facts.
Especially the inconsistencies claimed to be facts.
Like real events.


My seat belt is buckled. I am prepared for this roller coaster, this horror movie with a happy ending.


I love you, Michael. Just keep letting us know you're alive, and everything will be all right.

my darling songbird,
where are you, dear?
are you gone and disappeared?
or are you warbling somewhere


where I cannot yet hear?

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 04:24:38 AM
SURE!!!

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 05:41:03 AM
Hello, if Murray is condemned to prison, lawyers appealed the sentence. There is even talk of adding new tests to the case, the question of whether I still believe, if, of course. As I said on another occasion, this trial showed us many inconsistencies and "assumptions". In normal cases the defendants testify to prove his innocence, but Murray made ​​a documentary! I personally have never seen anything like this. Give my love to all  moonwalk_/

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 08:14:37 AM
I would absolutely keep on believing irrespective of what happens on the 29th of November. All the inconsistencies, contradictions, clues and the odd stuff will not fade into oblivion just on account of an eventual jail sentence. There are sooo many clues that indicate that MJ is alive.  michael-jackson/


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
Oh Yes I triple believe... Michael is alive , and kicking everyones a.s.s.e.s.  from a far. lolol/


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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 09:03:06 AM
i will still believe as whos to say dr murry is realy goint go jail michael as we all no will have that part covered unless i,m there in his cell with him through his sentence and thats unlikely as i,m in the uk and a woman thats how sure i am i,ve never wavered due to the clues and some of the investigating skills of others on here
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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 02:30:33 PM
The system seems to be down today....so they moved him to central jail  :?

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
I don’t believe Murray ever spent one night in jail.  It’s all an illusion.
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Re: If Murray goes to prison,will you still believe?

  • on: November 27, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
I don’t believe Murray ever spent one night in jail.  It’s all an illusion.

Ditto!  :D