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I hope someone can make an English version of this video for everybody to understand! 'cause it's very interesting investgative work of this Romanian fan-group of believers!
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This is another video that discusses the "crime scene"...the bedroom... in English!
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MissG

What I understand reading this article (very informative one, btw);
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Propofol has a very "steep" dose response curve. This means that the amount of drug required to induce sleep and the amount of drug required to cause death can be quite close to the same amount. e.g. one amount will cause the desired effect; a slightly higher dose death.
Because of this steep curve, the drug includes label warnings urging medical professionals who use the drug to have resuscitation equipment on hand at all times

[/color]I just remember Kay Chase mentioning that Murray carried oxigen tanks. There was no resuscitation equipment in the room.
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Michael pls come back


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MissG

Murray also said that he did not know what Michael took when being "treated" with propofol.

Interactions with Propofol
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Some MEDICINES MAY INTERACT with Propofol . Tell your health care provider if you are taking any other medicines, especially any of the following:

    Benzodiazepines (eg, alprazolam), narcotic pain relievers (eg, morphine), or other sedatives (eg, chloral hydrate) because they may increase the risk of Propofol's side effects


Whatever the situation is, Michael could not inject himself and leave no evidence. 
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Michael pls come back


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Murray also said that he did not know what Michael took when being "treated" with propofol.

Interactions with Propofol
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Some MEDICINES MAY INTERACT with Propofol . Tell your health care provider if you are taking any other medicines, especially any of the following:

    Benzodiazepines (eg, alprazolam), narcotic pain relievers (eg, morphine), or other sedatives (eg, chloral hydrate) because they may increase the risk of Propofol's side effects


Whatever the situation is, Michael could not inject himself and leave no evidence.

Interesting, since Murray feeded Mike benzo's the whole night before giving him the propofol (well, in the story we're being told that is of course...)
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MissG

Many versions. I wonder which one would be the one they keep for the trial.

What is clear is that propofol can´t be administered at home, without a resuscitacion equipment, with no anesthesiologist and to a person taking benzos.

Why, why whyyyy  /pull hair/ where the tapes erased? why  /scream/
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Many versions. I wonder which one would be the one they keep for the trial.

What is clear is that propofol can´t be administered at home, without a resuscitacion equipment, with no anesthesiologist and to a person taking benzos.

Why, why whyyyy  /pull hair/ where the tapes erased? why  /scream/
Yes the missing tapes :? ,and what about the money and jewels that they say went missing also....... confused/
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Tink

As someone who's been on Propofol 3X for life saving surgeries over the past few months, perhaps I can give an intimate eyeful here. First of all, you can give benzos, but it must be applied by the anesthesiologist. It's given first in the line, if the patient is anxious. I've been given either versed or valium.

Next, I was told I WOULD most likely stop breathing, because that's just the way it is. Out of three times, I stopped breathing last week. I still am froggy from that, and can hardly sing myself.

YOU CANNOT SING, when intubated properly with Propofol!

1 out of 3 times, you're guaranteed to stop breathing. If more than one benzo, then I say, intubate every time. Then you can't sing AT ALL!

You get my point? Propofol with intubation = NO SINGING for TWO WEEKS!

In other words, ordering that amount of Propofol, was a smoke screen - magic trick.

Michael knows damn well that you need an anesthesiologist for this stuff! I heard my heart monitor STOPPING, as I was waking up. It was bad scary, having someone yelling at me to "BREATHE! Just breathe, or we're shoving the tube back down your throat!" Yes, I breathed deeply, and curbing anxiety for half an hour, concentrating on that beeping machine, because I was beginning to go into cardiac arrest - I could feel my heart fluttering.

You think Michael would go through that each and every night!? NO!
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@Tink
But can you be put under propofol without intubation and equipment? Just inject it and that's all? Without monitoring the heartbeats, if you are still alive or not?
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Grace

As soon as the official published version changed to Propofol only and as soon as we had calculated the dose and my veterinary confirmed that this dose was only sufficient to get a dog asleep, I knew that the story was bogus.

The trial was a brilliant extension to that initial place of performance when those slides of the blinder than stones (but attributed with worldwide influence) experts came up. I wonder how everybody in the court room could hold back their laughter because I could not. The daily weather and traffic forecast just added the dot on the i.  :lol:
Michael doesn't even have to be present - just his name is sufficient to pluck the world's heartstrings.
This is grand.
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As someone who's been on Propofol 3X for life saving surgeries over the past few months, perhaps I can give an intimate eyeful here. First of all, you can give benzos, but it must be applied by the anesthesiologist. It's given first in the line, if the patient is anxious. I've been given either versed or valium.

Next, I was told I WOULD most likely stop breathing, because that's just the way it is. Out of three times, I stopped breathing last week. I still am froggy from that, and can hardly sing myself.

YOU CANNOT SING, when intubated properly with Propofol!

1 out of 3 times, you're guaranteed to stop breathing. If more than one benzo, then I say, intubate every time. Then you can't sing AT ALL!

You get my point? Propofol with intubation = NO SINGING for TWO WEEKS!

In other words, ordering that amount of Propofol, was a smoke screen - magic trick.

Michael knows damn well that you need an anesthesiologist for this stuff! I heard my heart monitor STOPPING, as I was waking up. It was bad scary, having someone yelling at me to "BREATHE! Just breathe, or we're shoving the tube back down your throat!" Yes, I breathed deeply, and curbing anxiety for half an hour, concentrating on that beeping machine, because I was beginning to go into cardiac arrest - I could feel my heart fluttering.

You think Michael would go through that each and every night!? NO!


Tink, great confirmation to what we all, I'm sure, knew instinctively since learning about propofol.

Can you confirm the instructions you were given about not eating or drinking for 8 or so hours before, because of the risking of aspirating? Thanks!
Murray had no suctioning equipment.


Impossible that CM was giving MJ that for 6 weeks nightly without incident, let alone MJ singing and performing daily.  Haha!  But how'd MJ come up with this brilliant unique story-line?  Probably from hanging around watching those surgeries at UCLA, as has been said. And I'm sure out of the 10,000 books there was a huge medical section  /cook/ :lol: .  Simply the best of the best, to keep all kinds of professionals spouting their knowledge, and all the world believing every line!


To Michael:   /bravo/
Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 05:59:30 AM by MJonmind
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Well, thats really amazing... We saw Michael singing the night before as recorded in "This Is It". It would have be impossible if he had been taking propofol regularly...  People can really believe in anything... and thats scary... Michael had some surgeries himself - he must have known how Propofol works from his own experience... Anyway, the whole story and this magic trick is brilliant.

 :D ;)) :) :o :P :D ;)) :)
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from personal experience of the use of propofol from my pain specialist she also stopped her practice so she could go back to school to become a anesthesiologist...i have had procedures about every 3 months or so on my back..every time they give you a list of what medications not to take up to 10 days or 7 days b4 your procedure nothing to eat or drink for 12 hours b4 my procedure "i can take my medications that are on the ok list with very little water if needed" when you get to the surgery place mine is inside the hospital..IV started as nurse is going over history and questions like when did you take you last medication of this or that..last time you ate or drink anything..ect..i agree with what mjintrigue2012 said there is a big difference between procedure and operation!!..all my procedures i have never been "tubed"! but is different the operation where i have been intubated..procedure nasal cannula was used heart rate all that was shown in video..if any of you have ever been intubated you know after they remove it your voice is raspy its hard to speak and swallow your throat is soar..my anesthesiologist is right there at my face as im talking to her while she is given me a mixture of IV medications i always joke with my Dr and all that are in the room lol..when the Dr was trying the botox on my back i would joke and tell her no your putting it in the wrong body part it goes in my face lol..anyways i dont remember anyone saying anything about oxygen mask being on or off just tanks being moved..the only time i seen the mask was in the reenactment on the crime scene..other then that i don't remember hearing about it maybe i missed it?..my pain Dr said that 25mg doesn't seem right even with the benzo given she believes mj is still alive!!..was it the female Dr that took the stand that worked on mj say that she would give more then 25mg in her line of work to render a patient unconscious?..i have been on strong pain medications that should have given me relief or knock me out i shock some nurses and sometimes the anesthesiologist she will say dr she is still wide awake talking to me lol..no change in my stats or anything and I'm only 5feet 51/2 inch tall and weigh 118 pounds...and where did we hear that name on the video  the Dr Gershwin (sp) ?...and what was on exhibit B ?..OK i think i'm done lol sorry for the rambling and what Ive gone thru just wanted to share..any ? that i may be able to help on let me know..
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Also, when given propofol, you must be "intubated", the tube that goes down your throat, to which the oxygen is then administered through. I don't recall any talk of MJ being "intubated"by Murray or any intubation equipment being found... just mention of an oxygen mask and tank...so this is another reason why this NEVER happened!

It is really sad that "society" is so brainwashed that they automatically believe the "crap" that they are "fed" by the media!...seems like we do more research then all the media, lawyers and general public, put together do!

Yes. Must be intubated to pomp oxygen. No mentioning of Michael being intubated.
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Also, when given propofol, you must be "intubated", the tube that goes down your throat, to which the oxygen is then administered through. I don't recall any talk of MJ being "intubated"by Murray or any intubation equipment being found... just mention of an oxygen mask and tank...so this is another reason why this NEVER happened!

It is really sad that "society" is so brainwashed that they automatically believe the "crap" that they are "fed" by the media!...seems like we do more research then all the media, lawyers and general public, put together do!

Yes. Must be intubated to pomp oxygen. No mentioning of Michael being intubated.
you dont have to be intubated..depends on operation or procedure but yes oxygen always needed..mask/nasal...
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@suesuzzfaithkeeper you say that you were never monitorized by any anything while you were given an anesthetic? They gave you the shot without anything else? Without having a monitor  for you heart and pulse?
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