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We talked about the white rabbit showing up in the V video, and other places in this MJ hoax.
We talked about MJ's 30 year anniversary concert in Madison Garden NY the night before 911.
We've seen pics and MJ saying he went to Hugh Hefner's mansion to see cute girls with bunnytails on.

I'm NOT saying that I believe this is the only reality of this hoax, but I'm just noting that info like  this site shows that MJ is possibly not the creator or controller behind things as we think, but it is entirely this power of the ones who run Hollywood, Sony (basically TPTB), and that they are putting triggers for mind control throughout this hoax, such as white rabbit, butterflies, color purple, and on and on. On this site, just about every famous person is said to be a mind-controlled slave including Michael Jackson. Interesting that they say the down aspect is that once they have trained a person, they have a photographic memory and can remember every detail, so they have to always be with a trainer /handler and not free to do their own thing/start telling outsiders. It's possible that there has always been handlers around MJ his whole life, that controlled him and guided him. It becomes so difficult to separate what is him and what is "their" creative influence.

So could it be that we are simply being sucked into the mind-control of TPTB masters, as billions of ordinary humans on this planet. If this is true, it leaves almost nothing unscathed--the government, media, entertainment, the church, our economic and legal system. Is it possible to even act independantly from them, that is the multi-billion dollar question.  The FBI, Coca Cola, Sony and TMZ being involved in helping/sponsering the hoax does not show me that MJ is acting independantly.

Another thought I've had, is that some individuals like Alex Jones are possibly disinformation agents, and like trolls, they muddy the water to find truth. How do we know these sites telling us how facts and techniques of mind-control are telling the whole truth. Everyone says they have the truth or are a expert. The researcher/reporter may have a particular worldview that  villifies something that others might not find evil, making assessment a relative thing.

Like I've said before, the lines of ultra "evil" ruling the world today, trace back through the centuries to the dawn of creation. Perhaps we are all duped, are being mind-controlled in ways we are not aware of, that almost everything we know and believe is a lie. Perhaps there have been aliens who have ruled this planet for thousands of years, perhaps it is God who has been guiding the mind-control of humanity, which creates the story-line. Where would the gospel story be without the villain Judas. Anyway, here is the site I came across with 2 links and a couple of parts that especially relates to MJ.  crash/ albino/ errrr
This would also lend support of MJ being set up by them as an Anti-christ type situation. From all that I've learned these 2 years, I stubbornly refuse to buy that however. So I will continue to "keep watching". I've said it before, there's layers within layers here, and God's got tricks up His sleeve/or wild cards.  IMO penguin/

Please check out these sites and tell me what you think from your personal reading and experience. :D

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The tactics used to create undue psychological and social influence, often by means involving anxiety and stress, fall into seven main categories.
TACTIC 1
Increase suggestibility and “soften up” the individual through specific hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills, Excessive exact repetition of routine activities, Sleep restriction and/or Nutritional restriction.
TACTIC 2
Establish control over the person’s social environment, time and sources of social support by a system of often-excessive rewards and punishments. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered.
TACTIC 3
Prohibit disconfirming information and non supporting opinions in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An “in-group” language is usually constructed.
TACTIC 4
Make the person re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject’s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control and defense mechanisms. The subject is guided to reinterpret his or her life’s history and adopt a new version of causality.
TACTIC 5
Create a sense of powerlessness by subjecting the person to intense and frequent actions and situations which undermine the person’s confidence in himself and his judgment.
TACTIC 6
Create strong aversive emotional arousals in the subject by use of nonphysical punishments such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques.
TACTIC 7
Intimidate the person with the force of group-sanctioned secular psychological threats. For example, it may be suggested or implied that failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequences such as physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.


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MK’d Occult-Kabalistic Madonna “hands torch” in the form of Masonic Worshipful (Grand Master) Hat to MK’d Britney Spears after sharing  kiss w/ both MK’d former Disney Mickey Mouseketeers — Christina Aguilera Disney Mickey Mouse Club functions as MK-Ultra Monarch Prog kindergarten, where future stars are prog’md for use by GMT in their social alchemy agenda. As usual award show audience was FULL of MK’s — Mary J. Blige, Vivica Fox, Mya, Eminem (Marshall Mathers) to name a few…
MK-Ultra Monarch Mind Control Concert of the Decade took place in New York City @ Madison Square Garden 9-10-2001 night before Fear Based Trauma-Op & Mass Human Sacrifice, ushering in Global Police State under threat of manufactured Islamic Terrorism (Zbigniew Brezinski created Mujahedeen using CIA-asset Tim Osman (Osama Bin-Laden) which morphed into Al Queda…
MK-Ultra Monarch Programmer/Handler, Zionist-Mishpucka Hugh Hefner has enriched himself as America’s # 1 MK Pimp for over  50yrs, supplying Global Mgt. Team and whoever else has codes “triggers” and enough money to afford “state of the art”  Oz-Dorothy, Jewel prog’md  DID (MPD) lovelies — this NSA-CIA asset w/his degree in psychology (read Monarch Mind Control Prog’mr) controls an army of Beta-trained Sex Slaves available for blackmail, espionage, underground porn and whatever else their ”alters” (files) are  programmed for. Hefner works closely w/MK Prog’mr/handler Heinz (Henry) Kissinger, and operates under full protection of NSA/CIA military-apparatus. Hefner throws legendary parties at his MK Playboy mansion in California & Palms Towers suite in Vegas; these two states having the dubious distinction of  more  Mind Control Slaves per capita than any state in the country…
The RR’s excellent expose on Hugh Hefner’s MK Empire
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The "is the hoax under MJ's influence" or "is MJ under their influence" is the question that keeps returning to my mind over and over again these past two years.  I can't help it.  The thought that Michael is under their control terrifies me because that means he is being used for evil and to help further TPTB's agenda for total world domination.

But...if that were the case...

Why would TPTB set out to destroy Michael's public image time and time again if they were going to use him to "unite" the world at a later date?  This hoax has obviously been planned for years so it seems counter-productive to smear Michael is such a horrible way.

While the "is Michael still under mind control" question will linger in the back of my mind until he returns and I watch what happens, I really honestly believe that this hoax is Michael's alone for the following reasons.  Michael has faith - I really think his belief in God has helped him immeasurably and whether someone reading this thinks that's silly, it doesn't matter because if Michael believes it, that's all that matters.  Michael is a genius - if anyone could pull off a death hoax of this magnitude, it's Michael.  And if he's been planning it for 20+ years then he's had all this time to go over the details, make his arrangements and bring the right people in to help him pull it off.  Michael has influential friends in high places who may have a bone to pick with TPTB themselves so they would possibly want to help Michael in his cause.  These influential friends most likely came to meet Michael because they wanted to be near him and be friends with him - Michael has that effect on people and so when Michael Jackson asks for your help, you are most likely going to do whatever you can to help him.  And Michael has met an untold amount of people like this.  Yes, the fewer the better but in order for all these companies to be "involved" in the hoax, it means at least one person from these companies has to know something.  And these people aren't going to say anything, and even if they did, whose gonna believe them?  I mean really, if someone said Michael Jackson is still alive! people would just give that person the side-eye and think they're crazy or something.  A non-believer or someone who simply has no clue is not going to believe that Michael is alive unless they see Michael themselves, even if it's just on tv.

While I will still have that lingering question in the back of my mind about TPTB controlling him,  I can think for myself and will trust my judgment when Michael returns.  Because basically what I'm saying is that Michael has the means and the brains and the influence to pull off the hoax like no one else could.  And I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he's doing ALL OF THIS, for his reasons and not theirs. 
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We talked about the white rabbit showing up in the V video, and other places in this MJ hoax.
We talked about MJ's 30 year anniversary concert in Madison Garden NY the night before 911.
We've seen pics and MJ saying he went to Hugh Hefner's mansion to see cute girls with bunnytails on.


I'm NOT saying that I believe this is the only reality of this hoax, but I'm just noting that info like  this site shows that MJ is possibly not the creator or controller behind things as we think, but it is entirely this power of the ones who run Hollywood, Sony (basically TPTB), and that they are putting triggers for mind control throughout this hoax, such as white rabbit, butterflies, color purple, and on and on. On this site, just about every famous person is said to be a mind-controlled slave including Michael Jackson. Interesting that they say the down aspect is that once they have trained a person, they have a photographic memory and can remember every detail, so they have to always be with a trainer /handler and not free to do their own thing/start telling outsiders. It's possible that there has always been handlers around MJ his whole life, that controlled him and guided him. It becomes so difficult to separate what is him and what is "their" creative influence.

So could it be that we are simply being sucked into the mind-control of TPTB masters, as billions of ordinary humans on this planet. If this is true, it leaves almost nothing unscathed--the government, media, entertainment, the church, our economic and legal system. Is it possible to even act independantly from them, that is the multi-billion dollar question.  The FBI, Coca Cola, Sony and TMZ being involved in helping/sponsering the hoax does not show me that MJ is acting independantly.

Another thought I've had, is that some individuals like Alex Jones are possibly disinformation agents, and like trolls, they muddy the water to find truth. How do we know these sites telling us how facts and techniques of mind-control are telling the whole truth. Everyone says they have the truth or are a expert. The researcher/reporter may have a particular worldview that  villifies something that others might not find evil, making assessment a relative thing.

Like I've said before, the lines of ultra "evil" ruling the world today, trace back through the centuries to the dawn of creation. Perhaps we are all duped, are being mind-controlled in ways we are not aware of, that almost everything we know and believe is a lie. Perhaps there have been aliens who have ruled this planet for thousands of years, perhaps it is God who has been guiding the mind-control of humanity, which creates the story-line. Where would the gospel story be without the villain Judas. Anyway, here is the site I came across with 2 links and a couple of parts that especially relates to MJ.  crash/ albino/ errrr
This would also lend support of MJ being set up by them as an Anti-christ type situation. From all that I've learned these 2 years, I stubbornly refuse to buy that however. So I will continue to "keep watching". I've said it before, there's layers within layers here, and God's got tricks up His sleeve/or wild cards.  IMO penguin/

Please check out these sites and tell me what you think from your personal reading and experience. :D

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   2011/07/16 at 8:02 PM
The tactics used to create undue psychological and social influence, often by means involving anxiety and stress, fall into seven main categories.
TACTIC 1
Increase suggestibility and “soften up” the individual through specific hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills, Excessive exact repetition of routine activities, Sleep restriction and/or Nutritional restriction.
TACTIC 2
Establish control over the person’s social environment, time and sources of social support by a system of often-excessive rewards and punishments. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered.
TACTIC 3
Prohibit disconfirming information and non supporting opinions in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An “in-group” language is usually constructed.
TACTIC 4
Make the person re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject’s basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control and defense mechanisms. The subject is guided to reinterpret his or her life’s history and adopt a new version of causality.
TACTIC 5
Create a sense of powerlessness by subjecting the person to intense and frequent actions and situations which undermine the person’s confidence in himself and his judgment.
TACTIC 6
Create strong aversive emotional arousals in the subject by use of nonphysical punishments such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques.
TACTIC 7
Intimidate the person with the force of group-sanctioned secular psychological threats. For example, it may be suggested or implied that failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequences such as physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.


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MK’d Occult-Kabalistic Madonna “hands torch” in the form of Masonic Worshipful (Grand Master) Hat to MK’d Britney Spears after sharing  kiss w/ both MK’d former Disney Mickey Mouseketeers — Christina Aguilera Disney Mickey Mouse Club functions as MK-Ultra Monarch Prog kindergarten, where future stars are prog’md for use by GMT in their social alchemy agenda. As usual award show audience was FULL of MK’s — Mary J. Blige, Vivica Fox, Mya, Eminem (Marshall Mathers) to name a few…
MK-Ultra Monarch Mind Control Concert of the Decade took place in New York City @ Madison Square Garden 9-10-2001 night before Fear Based Trauma-Op & Mass Human Sacrifice, ushering in Global Police State under threat of manufactured Islamic Terrorism (Zbigniew Brezinski created Mujahedeen using CIA-asset Tim Osman (Osama Bin-Laden) which morphed into Al Queda…
MK-Ultra Monarch Programmer/Handler, Zionist-Mishpucka Hugh Hefner has enriched himself as America’s # 1 MK Pimp for over  50yrs, supplying Global Mgt. Team and whoever else has codes “triggers” and enough money to afford “state of the art”  Oz-Dorothy, Jewel prog’md  DID (MPD) lovelies — this NSA-CIA asset w/his degree in psychology (read Monarch Mind Control Prog’mr) controls an army of Beta-trained Sex Slaves available for blackmail, espionage, underground porn and whatever else their ”alters” (files) are  programmed for. Hefner works closely w/MK Prog’mr/handler Heinz (Henry) Kissinger, and operates under full protection of NSA/CIA military-apparatus. Hefner throws legendary parties at his MK Playboy mansion in California & Palms Towers suite in Vegas; these two states having the dubious distinction of  more  Mind Control Slaves per capita than any state in the country…
The RR’s excellent expose on Hugh Hefner’s MK Empire


Hello Mjonmind very good post you did respect/ :) :)!!!!
This hoax is very complex and believe me that I also ask myself almost every day is we are not mind controled,because we are here for 2 years now :?.Can you imagine 2 years spending like this? Believe me if I even try a little to tell someone about  what have I done in there 2 years ,they will tell me that I'm nuts an out of my mind for even loosing my time on Michael Jackson.So who knows why we cant stop with this,because I have to admit,I cant stop afraid/ :shock:.Ofcourse I love Michael's music and all he has done for the world,but its more to this I'm sure.
Anyway I really like to point out  2 thinks from your post.


1.MJ's 30 year anniversary concert in Madison Garden NY the night before 911,because of some "intrestings" songs that have been left out(not televised) from that day and the day before.I dont know if has something  to do with mind control ,but I'm wondering why have been left out :? :?:

"Home" - The Wiz
not televised   Monica as Dorothy
"Ease on Down the Road" - The Wiz
not televised   Monica as Dorothy
Jill Scott as the Scarecrow
Al Jarreau as The Tin Man
Deborah Cox as the Cowardly Lion
"Never Never Land" not televised   Liza Minnelli
"Over the Rainbow" not televised Liza Minnelli
"You Can't Win" - The Wiz
not televised   Jill Scott as the Scarecrow
"Crying Time"
not televised   Ray Charles
Casandra Wilson

2. The Playboy mansion.  I remember I had read in april some news about Joseph being in Playboy mansion,Cannes France :? :shock:.Here is the news:

Exclusive Joseph Jackson Party in Cannes: for more information: visit the official PlayBoy Mansion…???
Mr. Jackson confirmed today that he will attend the Cannes Film Festival 2011. He is set to arrive Cannes France on  the 15th of May 2011 and stay through the 19th of May 2011.

A press conference has been organized by TotalPrestige, inc on the morning of the 17th of May 2011, with Mr. Joseph Jackson, Mrs Thao of Happyland Vietnam along with representatives of the Jackson Family Foundation,  TotalPrestige, Jewellines, Julian Roaus Paris and Residence Superieur.

Mr. Jackson will use the occasion to premiere to a select audience excepts of his upcoming official biography Musical as well as Movie script tentatively titled “Was it All Worth while”. He will also use the occasion to premiere Jackson Legend Perfume by Julian Rouas,  Jackson Champagne by UD Group, and the Joe Jackson Vodka by Jewellines.

Exclusive Joseph Jackson Party in Cannes:

Mr. Richard Nilsson of  ”Residence Superieur” and  is set to throw a private party at the Cannes Mansion for Mr. Jackson in the evening titled Jackson Family Nights. For a glimpse of the luxury, exclusive past events thrown by Mr. Richard Nilsson click here.

For information on the event visit the official playboy Mansion, Cannes France.

Edit by Webbie: Hu? Official Playboy Mansion?

I probably checked about twenty times, but yes, it does say the Playboy mansion. Here’s a printscreen (click with your right mouse button and select: view image to resize):
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I also suspect that Alex Jones is misinform ;),.. and regard to MJ as the figure of the antichrist i don't think so, remember that those powers were also commissioned to discredit the reputation of MJ and that is something that still many people believe, what percentage of the world's population we represent us? The antichrist allegedly going to be a world leader that is going to have a major influence on the majority of the world's population.
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Michael has faith - I really think his belief in God has helped him immeasurably and whether someone reading this thinks that's silly, it doesn't matter because if Michael believes it, that's all that matters.  Michael is a genius - if anyone could pull off a death hoax of this magnitude, it's Michael.  And if he's been planning it for 20+ years then he's had all this time to go over the details, make his arrangements and bring the right people in to help him pull it off.  Michael has influential friends in high places who may have a bone to pick with TPTB themselves so they would possibly want to help Michael in his cause.  These influential friends most likely came to meet Michael because they wanted to be near him and be friends with him - Michael has that effect on people and so when Michael Jackson asks for your help, you are most likely going to do whatever you can to help him.  And Michael has met an untold amount of people like this.  Yes, the fewer the better but in order for all these companies to be "involved" in the hoax, it means at least one person from these companies has to know something.  And these people aren't going to say anything, and even if they did, whose gonna believe them?  I mean really, if someone said Michael Jackson is still alive! people would just give that person the side-eye and think they're crazy or something.  A non-believer or someone who simply has no clue is not going to believe that Michael is alive unless they see Michael themselves, even if it's just on tv.

While I will still have that lingering question in the back of my mind about TPTB controlling him,  I can think for myself and will trust my judgment when Michael returns.  Because basically what I'm saying is that Michael has the means and the brains and the influence to pull off the hoax like no one else could.  And I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he's doing ALL OF THIS, for his reasons and not theirs. 

Nice post, Andrea.  Particularly agree with the portion quoted above, and especially agree with the last sentence.
 
(Regarding Alex Jones, nothing against him personally, but similar to what others have expressed, I also don't particularly care for his style/information.  However, I do check up on David Icke from time to time, and Icke is sometimes featured on Jones' show. ;) )
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Thanks for all your responses! When I came across the site and article, it's like I'm reminded once again of all the complex reasons why the majority of MJ fans believe him to be murdered at the hands of those who tried to control him. All the open internet evidence points to that, but it's only when we read between the lines, know MJ's heart and mind, and study the things that don't add up to murder that has convinced us here that he is alive and well. One of my favorite quotes from someone here, is something like--keep your friends close but your enemies closer. And that's what MJ has done. Intimate knowledge from within the enemy camp holds the secret to overcoming them.  I'm holding out for MJ, and believe he stands above TPTB, 'invincible'.

Concerning Joe Jackson, I've long wondered if he was initially trained to be MJ's handler for TPTB, with all the trauma he inflicted on him. The movie that he is planning entitled “Was it All Worth while”, could refer to his being a handler of MJ, but maybe we're reading too negatively, and it has to do with raising and managing the Jackson 5 and early MJ's career.  I could even buy into a theory that MJ's family planned his death or death hoax just to gain money and fame (that MJ seemed to take from them)--all but for his mother and 3 beloved children's apparant contentment and nonchalance with the "death". Then there's the genius creativity of hoax details, Back, TS and more that convince me as well, that the family is not capable of this masterpiece. party/
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I've thought of this possibility especially after my brother pointed out that this could be another set up in their grand "movie" of sorts all to gain more money and more control over the people. I've also thought about this due to some of the strange reccuring images that connect to specifically mind control (white rabbit, yellow brick road, etc.). I've also wondered if he is even alive or is all of this being orchestrated by them to distract people from the truth. For instance, some say Alex Jones misinforms people on purpose but he is considered "alternative media" that speaks the truth. So to put this situation in this context, one can say this hoax misinforms people on purpose but this theory is considered an alternative explanation to what really happened to M.J. And this hoax has taken on a life of its own that people have started to see M.J. in everything. That sounds similar to mind control, whether intentional or not.

However, when I begin to think like this, I look at all aspects. I think about his family, his friends, what he stood for, how he conducted himself, what he said prior to June 25th and where he came from and honestly, it's hard for me to say that this is the case. My gut says it's not at all but my mind doesn't allow me to drift away into hoaxville completely. I always try to stay grounded by looking at ALL POSSIBILITIES. I will say though, whatever the case may be, I've learned so much and gained so many positive things throughout this adventure that it couldn't be all bad in my opinion.

Thanks MJonmind for writing this because I've been thinking about this for quite some time too but I didn't know how to word it.  bearhug
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I've thought of this possibility especially after my brother pointed out that this could be another set up in their grand "movie" of sorts all to gain more money and more control over the people. I've also thought about this due to some of the strange reccuring images that connect to specifically mind control (white rabbit, yellow brick road, etc.). I've also wondered if he is even alive or is all of this being orchestrated by them to distract people from the truth. For instance, some say Alex Jones misinforms people on purpose but he is considered "alternative media" that speaks the truth. So to put this situation in this context, one can say this hoax misinforms people on purpose but this theory is considered an alternative explanation to what really happened to M.J. And this hoax has taken on a life of its own that people have started to see M.J. in everything. That sounds similar to mind control, whether intentional or not.

However, when I begin to think like this, I look at all aspects. I think about his family, his friends, what he stood for, how he conducted himself, what he said prior to June 25th and where he came from and honestly, it's hard for me to say that this is the case. My gut says it's not at all but my mind doesn't allow me to drift away into hoaxville completely. I always try to stay grounded by looking at ALL POSSIBILITIES. I will say though, whatever the case may be, I've learned so much and gained so many positive things throughout this adventure that it couldn't be all bad in my opinion.

Thanks MJonmind for writing this because I've been thinking about this for quite some time too but I didn't know how to word it.  bearhug
You're welcome looking4truth!  No stone left unturned, examining every possibility, and all that! Ready for anything, with MJ!
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