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Offline 2good2btrue

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Thanks for all your hard work Souza.  I really appreciate it.  Seems like some people just can't keep on topic....I actually get turned off when I see people bash eachother in a thread.

That's not what MJ was about.  Small steps people, and forgiveness is your key to happiness.  God Bless.
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thank you souza for acutally caring about us and trying to keep us safe in a  bearhug you go girl respect/ now back to that padded place  beerchug
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@ souza  YOU have not read MY posts. I know what I know. Internet boyfriend? LOL I don't think so.
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Just for the records:
ever since I ran into Souza at mjhd, I have found her dedication to sticking to the search for truth, to common sense, to regular caution, to fairness and to a clear directive in her house remarkable and outstanding.
It should not be necessary to explain oneself again and again. The fact that Souza is making her intentions and direction clear one more time only shows that the general issues she described are persisting and that individual issues need repeatedly to be approached whenever members come and go.
Souza has my full support. Her contributions are exceptional. Don't worry, I am not a fan of her nor do I believe she'd need any fanbase. I am not always with her either but we don't mind. Long hoax year's fellow now, grateful for every single effort, being 100% with Souza when it comes to protection against avoidable and unnecessary dangers.


If you are interested in general internet issues that lay the ground for individual issues, these pages may be useful:
internet privacy and social profiling:
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_privacy

what Google does and how you may block
http://http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,665613,00.html&usg=ALkJrhjynVP-kf8VwQhdWjY0AEW7oltyHA

why Mozilla may be a better choice as a browser and may be helpful in blocking the collection of your very personal data:
there's plenty of useful privacy add-ons, just to name a few:
"Adblock Plus" will stop pop-ups
http://https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/

"Better Privacy" will eliminate infiltration of your desktop with permanent long lasting flash cookies that are not eliminated while deleting browser history
http://https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/

"Ghostery" sees the invisible tracking internet that is directed to you when you browse and will block the trackers
http://https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/


A general advice: wherever you sign up because the application does look so delicious:
for your own safety, read the full "small font" standard company general conditions entirely before you say yes.
In many cases you agree to data collection and transfer to third parties.
Did you know that many apps for smartphones will track and transmit your GPS location?
Check background information about the product before you say "yes" to a new contract.


When it comes to what we as individual beings tend to believe in the web or where we allow imposure of an influence on us - that's a very individual learning and evolutionary process of growth.
Souza watching over individuals' safety here, too, and noticing vulnerabilities and potential threats on people requiring assistence is absolutely exceptional and deserves a big "Thank you" hug.

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People here are so smart and funny, most of them. I really like almost everybody here and I'm grateful to you all for taking the time to be here. And I mean it, it's not just words.

Even the ones criticizing me on different issues - I am not mad with them or something, I know we are not perfect, none of us, except Michael of course :mrgreen:  :lol: (MJ you know I still worship you, can't help myself geek/ )

I also like TR and I also like PIM and BlackJack and...who else, name it, I can't remember. They have something special about themselves if they can use those tactics and be convincing. I know I could never do that. I guess it takes some skills to duplicate Michael's personality on the net. Skills that I sort of admire in others as I don't have them.

To me, and God knows I'm not what others call a normal person, it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand WHY someone would pretend to be Michael on the net. Maybe I can't understand a split personality.

So how is it, you just say hey from 9 to 5 I'll be me and from 6 to 12 I'll be Michael Jackson?

How can someone suppress his/hers own personality and take another one? Is this happening for real or just in the movies? It's impossible for me to understand this behaviour confused/ .

Oh and I still miss BlackJack and his/hers posts which I remember many of us enjoyed at that time. A fictional character can be as enjoyable as a real one, that's my conclusion.  Like when you read a good book and start to have feelings about the characters in there, even if you know they don't exist in reality.
Now TR is banned?
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Yet in a sense, through necessity or survival MJ learned to do that very thing--project a personality that he knew the public wanted and went crazy for, and worked hard to protect the real him--revealing that identity only to close friends and family.

So what makes up the personality type of a troll or person who loves to use many user-names, or a person who tries to fool people into thinking he/she is Michael Jackson. Who's a psychologist here? Are they people who have felt unloved/unnwanted for who they really are and now found a way to get that attention?  Are they bored but smart and this is a fun challenge they want to see if they can beat? Or are they a manipulative predator (like Souza said) that like a spider is laying a clever trap waiting to catch the next victim? People are so complicated, so unique. Don't we all to some extent wear masks, and present a little different person in our various friendships and people we are with. Oh well, as long as we have internet we'll have to deal with those types. Thanks again Souza!
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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know  the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
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Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?
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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know  the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
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Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?


 lolol/ penguin/

About the time and effort and patience, I would also like to know if they are sick or attention seekers.
But what's the possibility they really are the person they pretend to be, amongst other options?
Is this a possiblity or not?
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Thank you Souza.
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About the time and effort and patience, I would also like to know if they are sick or attention seekers.
But what's the possibility they really are the person they pretend to be, amongst other options?
Is this a possiblity or not?
Why not? It's less possible but not impossible. Michael is a human being like anyone else outside the stage. He can be childlike, playful or curious... maybe he is missing his fans...We don't know if he would be like himself or not, we just assume he would have to be a different style, but what do we know? Maybe he can't. Back also gave himself away and he's not a troll.
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hey souza, I wanna thank you for this great place you've created for us. and you have my total support. I totally can understand why you do what you do. It is important to point out the trolls and makes sure nobody on here gets hurt. Some people are very gulliple and emotional on here which I totally undertstand because this is hoax is taking so long. It's taking a toll on my own sanity sometimes as well :) It gety harder and harder to believe anybody and sometimes you just really want to believe somebody because they make you feel better.

Another thing I want to say  and I hope it is ok I say it in ths thread) is that the sometimes almost hostile evironment in this forum really makes me sad. This place has become so important to me in so little time, and it really bothers me that people are constantly fightin with each other lately. I don't get why people always have to be in each others faces all the time. IMO we are all entitled to our own opinion. Having an own opionion is something that makes us unique. Conformity is not what brought this forum so far. But people on here tend to get really emotional if someone doesn't agree with them and then the fightin starts. Why is that? Tolerance is the key. Sometimes you just have to accept how other people think even have they have a different opinion.
This forum shares one impoartant feature. The love to Michael has brought us all together here. And if Michael has taught us somethings, it's that we need to tolerate each other and love each other. I don't think that fighting will help the cause of this forum and it makes me sad seeing threads close because people can't accept different opinions.

well, just my 2 cents.

I hope you all have a wonderful day :)
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Offline rag doll

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That "game" is disgusting and beyond sick.  suspicious//  
Thanks Souza for raising awareness - I think this is an important and serious topic.

Still let me add a lol @ this part:

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He’s not going to open an account called “ImightbeMJ” and type “Shamone Shamone” every other sentence.
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Thank you, Souza.
You are a very good admin in my heart.;)

GOD BLESS YOU ALL
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Souza, I appreciate your dedication. You take great pains to keep your house neat and tidy. It makes a difference and people notice that. 
Are you a good cook too ? 
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Very interesting topic! Thank you Souza for taking your time and explaining your point of view to us. The issue you've addressed is very important, especially for minors who are using this or any other forum. As you said when we are 13-14 we think we know it ALL, but in reality we know nothing at all! So thank you once again for at least trying to make it safe for them here. <!-- s:) -->:)<!-- s:) --> Even though sometimes we might not agree with your decisions, but it's your "home" and you should do whatever you think is best for it. I would not be able to do your job in a million years, i'm too soft hearted and people would walk all over me  <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

Regarding TR: i don't "know" him at all, all i know about him is his posts, i've never had any private conversations with him, so i can't say who this person is (good or bad). The posts seemed kind of nice to me, that's why i was always saying that i like him and that i think he is a nice person. I admit that i was finding connection between him and Back, but then i lost it. But i never thought that he is Michael. So if he is banned or will get banned i won't cry  <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->, people who really care for him or KNOW him as they say should not have a problem with it too. I mean if he is your friend you can still communicate with him, it doesn't have to be on this forum. You can call each other, email, skype etc. If TR really got misjudged or misunderstood, i'm very sorry, but he brought it on himself and maybe that will teach him a lesson. Maybe someday he will prove us that we were wrong and that will teach us a lesson. Who knows right?

Regarding TS: He is actually the first member on this forum i got to "know" (if you can say that). His posts brought me here. It took me 2 weeks to understand and actually check the information he was presenting. His posts were "cold" and always straight to the point without any side talking, i loved it! If you read my posts i'm always trying to debunk his theories, i agree with him only if i can't find any other way. So i think that i'm pretty fair and i'm not blindly following him.

Regarding Souza: Souza is the first member i got to talk to on this forum. I had some troubles with registering my user name, so i've sent an email to her asking for help. (to be honest i thought that she would never reply  <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->, she seemed to be all so cool and strict) She did reply to my email and helped me to register my user name and said some nice wishes to me. From that moment i was no longer afraid of her  <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> Souza is not a sugar, but i think that she is fair.

My main concern right now is that people are fighting non stop for the past 2 weeks or so. I can't figure out what's the problem, but we MUST STOP NOW!!! <!-- sbearhug -->bearhug<!-- sbearhug -->

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a way to get that attention
I am also shocked by internet predators, so much effort, time, energy, diplomacy, patience, disimulation, this can't be just for seeking attention, it's something more, it's sick, maybe they also don't know  the answer, maybe they don't even realize they need HELP and how tramatic they can be.
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Who's a psychologist here?
Who's a psychiatrist here?



I am a pshychologist.. I have been reading all of your posts, I for one am very skeptical, not because I hate people because I do not trust. I was also skeptical joining this forum, but by reading some post and seeing that we use a username I  felt a sense of security. I will tell you one thing, with all my experience being a therapist, (pshychologist) I delt with people who were adults, when I say adults I mean in the 50's and up, got scammed from people in the internet. Souza is absolutely right. I cannot devolge to many information from my patients, I had a patient she was 55 yrs old she met a man through a dating site, this man lived in Europe somewhere, he conned her into money. She send him by credit card a sum of 10 thousand dollars. Can you believe that a man who courted her, telling her how beautiful she was and he wanted to marry her and bla bla bla.. Oh yeah, after stealing  money from her and she never heard from him again.  Vanished in thin air. I had another case a child of 12 yrs old, was approached also by a preditor in the internet, he was posing as a young child same age as she was. Thank God the parents had put a child security in the internet, you know you can do that right? If you have children I think you should use this option. The little child was scared for life. Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from  rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe..  In the internet world, you have to take some and leave some, do not be gullable, people are liars. Right now I do not have time to continue, I have patients awaiting for me. I hope this helped you a little. Blessings.
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
 So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not.

LOL that´s a word!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

But seriously: I get what you mean Souza. Thanks for posting this all.

I have my reasons why I joined this forum after looking around for nearly  2 years.

It would be easy for me now posting an opinion about TR after banning, so I won´t do it.

 I just feel sorry that I didn´t tell my statement at the right time when these poems were published, and I will keep in mind to do it earlier next time when I got the feeling sth weird is going on here.
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Very interesting deliberations, all4loveandbelieve. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, this gave definitely food for thought...

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Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe..

I try to understand this action pattern by what you´ve explained above, but somehow I fail. Is it mainly the sheer fun in manipulating others? - Do these people feel a flash of might by acting this way? -  Do they consciously realize what they´re doing? - And is that really satisfying? - I don´t get it. My childhood surely wasn`t the funniest too, but I was raised to treat others with respect and in the same way in which I want to be treated.

So when I try to picture a character based on the attributes you´ve explained above, I can`t help but think of
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Who knows! Can be just plain hate towards MJ´s fans and supporters, a game, or can be something deeper. Personality disorders related to Narcissistic Personality Disorder includes the serial bully, antisocial personality disorder, paranoid personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, attention seeking behaviour, psychopathy....the list goes on.

Users coming back in cycles to certain "games" look to me as something that needs to be treated. We don´t know if the cyclic pattern come backs have to do with just boredom or really with a syndrome. Sociophats i.e, have their ups and downs.

The aim is to be rewarded by pleasure, either by obtaining admiration, pity, love or hurting those who he/ she uses.

The motives? can go from hate towards the person who she/he is impersonating (i.e MJ) or hate towards those who like the person he/she impersonates (i.e MJ´s fans).
On the second option we can have a very angry rejected woman or man who can´t live with the idea of MJ, in this case, being together with another person. This would explain the behaviour of "trapping" those vulnerable women who want to be the ones, playing with them and hurting them after with no contemplation.

MR/ Mrs MJ wanna be even had online romances and well, many women got hurt by this romance, either by being "the one" among more, or by being "the rejected one". The sad part is that some of those women are over 30 and with family.


It always rings the alarm bell to me when someone comes with "X is hurt because Y does not give her attention"

Some people are upset with Souza and Souza´s decision is just victimizing this kind of users more. She could be wrong but she could also be right. We need to understand that the main point here is prevention based in past situations.
"TR" in this case was cutted before any harm could have been done, and well, division happened once more and things got out of context.

And i also agree with "So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not"
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My reasoning is there is no need to get into a flap about the 'possibility that MJ was banned' because if his goal was to interact and have some fun with the hoaxers he could still do so under any name or alias minus the hinting and attention drawing that has been present in the MJ'esque postings and poems to date. So why the big deal , what would make members here fight so hard for PIM/TR unless they were  convinced this person was Michael himself. Shikster comes by and drops some amazing poetry and there is no problem whatsoever. What makes this situation different is the relational aspect of it all and that is where the danger and vulnerability of it truly lies. But back to MJ. Would this present situation stop him from visiting or posting if he was so inclined? I don't believe so. He created this hoax and I'm sure sure he understands the guidelines here for security and safety. So this storm in a tea cup is really just that. It's not going to stop MJ from interacting here if he chooses to but it will stop fakers from getting a footing in and drawing a following . And that is a good thing. Just the way that I see it.
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Very interesting deliberations, all4loveandbelieve. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, this gave definitely food for thought...

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Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children. When a person has been abused by hitting etc.. by growing up they supress the hurt they had to endure. After a while this hurt manifest it self, it comes back to surface whether you want it of not. When this hurt and anger manifest itself, it makes you do crazy things, some are killers, some are preditors etc...Some are this way because they want to have a kick out of life, they want to have fun, they are bored to death with their life. Believe it or not some come from rich family and they lack of affection, so they decide to enjoy themselves in making other believe..

I try to understand this action pattern by what you´ve explained above, but somehow I fail. Is it mainly the sheer fun in manipulating others? - Do these people feel a flash of might by acting this way? -  Do they consciously realize what they´re doing? - And is that really satisfying? - I don´t get it. My childhood surely wasn`t the funniest too, but I was raised to treat others with respect and in the same way in which I want to be treated.

So when I try to picture a character based on the attributes you´ve explained above, I can`t help but think of



Very good question rag doll.Some do it for sheer fun, they have nothing better to do and because they come from a rich family and they think everything is permitted. Some do it because they want to inflict pain into others just the way they feel inside. They want others to share their pain. This is not their fault, It is so easy to blame people who are a risk meaning who are dangerous towards others. There is a story, a child was raised by wolves, he became a wolf, this is what he knew, nothing else. So if you are raised in a loving family, and understanding and also severe, and respect, you will become a normal human being. You will portray what you have learned towards others.  I can go on and on and on, it will take to long, and I don't have all the time in the world.. I wish I did, psychology is so complexed, especially the brain, don't forget people who do these actions  they are receiving a message from the brain. If you have more question you can pm me it will be a pleasure to answer your questions. blessings.
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I did not have time to read all of this but all i have to say is that some people act like on the playground and makes things difficult : all you have to do is register : read: agree/disagree :go on or continue to stay here chat and read and think for yourself....there is not f'cking mind controls or playgrounds here....."we're normal people" that try to find out what really happened or what really is happening with MJ....we're not like the rest of the fans "let the man rest and go on with your life as if nothing has ever happened..." why ...i ask why so much hate / trying to destroy Souza's work!? go on with your life haters cause this site ain't going down! keep up the good work Souza much love! bearhug  respect/
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Then there are people who are afraid I might ban MJ himself. First of all, if he really visits this site often, he must know how I think about trolls and people stirring up things, or claiming stuff without back-up. So if he acts like that, he will have his ass banned like any other troll, Michael Jackson or not.

LMFAO! This is why I love Souza haha! Thank you for this, Souza, I always enjoy your long posts :). As for TR, I liked his/her poems but don't know much more about him. I didn't really care for most of his posts, never thought he/she/it was MJ and i feel like kicking those who do. MJsBabyDoll, you talk about TR worse than I talk about MJ :lol: and if I were the Admin, I would've banned you already so try to respect Souza a little bit more and understand she is only looking out for your best interest. I've never had a problem here with anyone, maybe thats because I'm a grown woman who doesn't look for drama on an internet forum. Anyway, we should all take responsibility in watching out for our minors here, some are extremely naive. Once again, thank you Souza for all that you do for the site, for MJ and for us!
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Now the question is why these people do this? So many factors, most of you had it right. Lack of confidence, lack of love when they were a child, abused when they were children.  [/color]

OK I'm not sure what you understand by "abused" but was Michael abused when he was a child?

All abused children end in splited personality?
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