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Offline heartphantom

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Oh i am familiar with Bad4Life. Thanks Baby.
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MJsBabyDoll, you TOTALLY missed my point. You are one of the members that need protection, because it seems like you lost touch of reality.
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Quote from: "MJsBabyDoll"
@ Love4MJ  
The hidden agenda is the bitterness and desire for vengeance that lies deep within the recesses of the heart of the person who did not get what she wanted.

@ Heart
Why is Love4MJ here for TR? Because he's friends with the person with hidden agenda.
No, Love4MJ was not hurt by TR. Love4MJ is Bad4Life on the other forum and he got banned twice for stalking TR just like he's doing here. He is one of the enemy team of stalkers. He also was banned for bashing beLIEvers. And now he's on a hoax forum. And we already know why.

P.S Now can we PLEASE get back on topic? This thread is about internet predators....... NOT TR.

You are absolutely certifiable. It would be my guess that the desire to be with another woman is not on the agenda at hand. Carry on.

Whoooo! Hee! God Bless You All. I love you more! Keep Watchin..............
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Love4MJ and Baby, reading you both i feel that you don't have anything against each other, maybe Love is just protective and MJ'sBaby protects her friend. I would too. This is why i hope in the end nobody gets hurt and THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL for both of you.
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Quote from: "~Souza~"

MJsBabyDoll, you TOTALLY missed my point. You are one of the members that need protection, because it seems like you lost touch of reality.

YES! Thank you.

 elvis_/ has left the building.
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@ Love4MJ saying TR is a woman. Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. I rest my case.
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Quote from: "MJsBabyDoll"
@ Love4MJ saying TR is a woman. Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. I rest my case.
Are you over 18?
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Offline MJonmind

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I support you Souza. I don't know if anyone here could do your job (at least this long), or would want to. Structure and boundaries are very important, I'm old enough to know that. I want this place to survive and thrive, and I think we all do. You're doing an awesome job. respect/

It wouldn't surprise me at all if TR or PIM was a woman.
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@ Souza

Please do not patronise me. Not that it's any of your business, but if you had read the previous posts I have already said I am OVER 30.  Now please stop questioning me. I am not on trial here. I know TR. You don't. Leave it at that.
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Quote from: "MJsBabyDoll"
@ Souza

Please do not patronise me. Not that it's any of your business, but if you had read the previous posts I have already said I am OVER 30.  Now please stop questioning me. I am not on trial here. I know TR. You don't. Leave it at that.

It was a serious question. Knowing now that you are,  think it's your own responsibility. I am not patronising you, I am warning you. You know words on a screen, that's not knowing a person. But anyways, good luck with it, we had this same discussion back when PIM got banned. You don't want to take advise, so be it. Don't ever say I didn't warn you.
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Do you know TS in person? It could be the same situation, both fooled by some attention seeker. And i agree, words on a screen, that's not knowing a person.
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Quote from: "heartphantom"
Do you know TS in person? It could be the same situation, both fooled by some attention seeker. And i agree, words on a screen, that's not knowing a person.
Maybe you should read the part I wrote about TS. I am not saying I know him, I am saying he is no threat on this forum because all he does is post information. Don't try to twist my words again on this topic and please read what I wrote, since I wrote that especially for you.
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Thankyou Souza for all you do to make this place as safe as possible. You have my support and cooperation and anything else I can help with. There are many here who appreciate all your efforts.  beerchug
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MJsBabyDoll

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@ Souza

No, it's NOT just words on  a screen, rest assured. That's all I will say. I will not give details. I am an adult woman who is well aware of internet predators. I do not associate with them. I am finished with this discussion.
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Souza.... you have my full support.  It is not easy to make these judgment calls and yes you probably will make mistakes (as any human being would).  I respect your decisions and hopefully all members here will grant you a little grace when they disagree with a decision you have made, make, or will make in the future understanding the responsibility you have.

Thank you for taking the time (because a post that long takes some time  lolol/ ) for explaining yourself in this post.

Well done my friend!

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Quote from: "MJsBabyDoll"
@ Souza

No, it's NOT just words on  a screen, rest assured. That's all I will say. I will not give details. I am an adult woman who is well aware of internet predators. I do not associate with them. I am finished with this discussion.

I am too, do whatever you want outside this forum. The fact that you are over 30, does not mean you are immune to manipulators. Obsessions and addictions are serious issues and all I can do is warn you, whether you like it or not. But like I said, if you do not agree, then this is not the place for you. But I guess you don't need this forum to communicate with TR, since the two of you know each other so well.
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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!
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Great! Back on topic! Souza, thank you for warning us. Like I said from the beginning, I agree with you that it's important to educate people on possible internet predators. It was a great post to shed light on the topic. Thanks again.
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Thank you, Heart. That's exactly how a lot of members here feel and were too afraid to say it. You make some very valid points.
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Souza's post and the information contained in it are very important and I'm a huge advocate of using caution and extra security when dealing with the internet and the good and bad that comes with it.  Having said that...I still feel that the accusations that have been laid at TR's feet are completely unwarranted and extremely unfair.  I am a very rational, mature woman who has been fortunate enough to consider TR a friend for a long time...and with God as my witness he is none of the things mentioned in Souza's cautionary tale.  I do know for a fact the things I posted in the other thread earlier because I witnessed them myself.  It's a very unfortunate situation for ALL involved and I really do hope that the person responsible for this mess finds help and some sense of peace for her sake.  The bottom line here is that there is truly no threat except for the ones coming from the parties spreading lies.

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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!

I can't believe you still don't understand it and I also can't believe I am going to explain it AGAIN, but here you go:

There is a HUGE difference between TS and TR, that first. TR is playing with people's feelings and some members (I will not name anyone) are convinced that he is MJ and think they have a serious relationship with him. There is a reason TR was banned from the fan forum. TR does not give information, TR posts poems and talks like MJ (well, at least like MJ's public persona) to get attention from gullible and vulnerable members. PIM (the other username of TR) did the same and I can tell you that PIM really wasn't that graceful to me when I banned him, speaking of showing true colors. The members I am talking about (and TR is by far not the only one) are members I get complaints about, warnings from members or people outside the forum that dealt with the particular member before and that added to my gut feeling and observations of the posts, PLUS the reactions of those who are clearly obsessed with that member, make me come to my conclusion.

And then there is TS. Never in 18 months have I had ONE complaint about TS. Never has he tried to manipulate people by claiming he is MJ, never has he 'socialized' with people in PM and never ever has he done anything other than posting information, with a clear DISCLAIMER from the start that no one should just take his words for truth, but use their head and think for themselves. He has proved himself legit more than once and always keeps a safe distance from the members and their feelings. He is rational and 'cold' as some describe his posts. The fact that there are still people who get stressed if he is not online for a few weeks, is not his fault, but people's own fault. Apparently they assume certain things ffrom his posts, as has happened before, and mostly got kicked back into reality after a new update where he made clear once again that you could have SEEN it was not what you initially thought, if you would have just used your head. TS has pointed out very important topics in this hoax and is therefore a valuable member, like many others. There is no need to think he is a cyber criminal who wants people to email him their personal info and he definitely isn't trying to make the gullible ones fall in love with his sweet talk. That is why I defend him when he is attacked based on false assumptions and twisting of words. I would do the same if for example RK (just to name someone) on here would be attacked based on inaccuracy and false assumptions. But RK is not a member that is attacked so that is not necessary. TS apparently is a threat to some people, so he is and therefore will be defended by me when I think that is necessary. And if people are only believing TS is legit because I think so, they never read his posts and are clearly not thinking for themselves. And believe me, if one person on here is extremely skeptic and always on guard, it's me. If you even thought for a minute that I have not spent weeks, maybe even months trying to debunk TS, then you clearly have no clue how I operate. I couldn't debunk him, in fact the more I researched, the more legit he got. That is why I always ask people to try and debunk him to come to their own conclusions.

This is really the last time I have explained this, and I also think that you are kind of insulting the members by assuming they all just follow me and don't think for themselves. If you still don't see the difference in judgement here, then that's your problem. You have been doing this from day 1 and you keep repeating yourself, while I have explained this issue a zillion times already. It's getting a little annoying now.


At the others concerning TR: It's MY observation, my gut feeling and MY decision. If you don't agree, go register your own domain and get a forum where stuff like that is embraced. I don't like it and I don't want it. I have seen many examples of people being seriously damaged by people online, even after YEARS. And I don't think I have to remind any of the old members how it ended with MediaHypeAgain, who in the end ADMITTED he was just fucking with people on purpose, while many members were CERTAIN he was MJ and oh so nice. He wasn't, he was a mind fucker and those 'followers' had a very rough wake-up call.
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No threat but people have all their hopes in TS and if you are fooled all members are. They are waiting for him , thinking he might be ill and so, people are worried, have you at least talked to him since he's gone, is he ok, do you know anything? What if he vanishes? I think a lot of members would be more depressed for TS than for TR. TS has all the respect and power here for almost all members. And i find this okay but can't you see, you gave power to TS and if you are deceived , all this forum is. You always take his side and you are 100% sure he is legit with good purpose. But do you see how you try to convince Mj'sBaby that TR might be not what he/she seems and she doesn't even think for a second to consider what you say? Well, you are doing the same with TS when someone starts questioning about TS. You are defending him same way. If you can't understand how MJBaby is so stubborn, well, i also didn't understand why you were so stubbornly fighting for an anonymus. Please take a little time to think at your own advice : "be skeptic, not gullible, be always on guard, never asleep". That doesn't mean i am against TS. No way!
heartphantom, the subject of TS has been touched on before (even before the following posts):  http://http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=18185&p=320781#p320781
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At least, TS is serious and his researchs are of great help.
TR seems a teenager.
and to me there is no way in hell he can be even slightly compared to BACK.
Just my 2 cents of the off-topic lol
And also I wanna say that Sousa's post is very important and should be taken very seriously and considered throughoutly.
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@ Souza

So you are basing your feelings on TR, on your "gut feeling"? Okay thank you for clarifying, Souza. SOME of us will base our judgement on TR, on what we KNOW and the fact that we have known him for a long time.
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Quote from: "MJsBabyDoll"
@ Souza

So you are basing your feelings on TR, on your "gut feeling"? Okay thank you for clarifying, Souza. SOME of us will base our judgement on TR, on what we KNOW and the fact that we have known him for a long time.
I think you have problems reading, maybe you should read my posts again, ALL of them. I am sick and tired of your whining after I ban your beloved 'internet-boyfriends'. Cut the obsessed behaviour or find your blessing somewhere else.
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