The arena 02 was staged [Disappearing Tohme] part 1

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Offline allforlove

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Maybe this has been discussed before but in these video's for me it's sure looks like the O2 conference was staged.

[youtube:1q6c8jz3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSyEhYTQRA[/youtube:1q6c8jz3]

[youtube:1q6c8jz3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9AP_tLfk_Y[/youtube:1q6c8jz3]

[youtube:1q6c8jz3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGb9jPRg08o[/youtube:1q6c8jz3]
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I thought the same thing allforlove - since the old board.  Danke/Thanks.
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I am not sure this scene is staged.
I think Thome's figure is hidden behind Michael.  I would say that I can see Thome's arm, not Michael's.
I think it is only a coincidence (visual effect).

Only my thoughts.

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Where did you see his arm? Can you point this out. And what about the different attendances? One where he arrived walking and one where he did get in the bus car whatever you call it.
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I always said it the dude was not MJ.. I think this was staged, and probably that's when Michael did his hoax. Like Jermaine said he was gone long way before he arrived at the airport. June 25/2009 Michael was not in his home, it was not MJ in the ambulance, Michael has left us before June that is for sure. Everything was staged to the perfection. This man is a genius
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Quote from: "allforlove"
Where did you see his arm? Can you point this out. And what about the different attendances? One where he arrived walking and one where he did get in the bus car whatever you call it.

[attachment=0:2s8aqto8]Michael.JPG[/attachment:2s8aqto8]

I hope it clarifies what I mean (it is difficult to explain).
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Quote from: "mj777gil"
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Where did you see his arm? Can you point this out. And what about the different attendances? One where he arrived walking and one where he did get in the bus car whatever you call it.



I hope it clarifies what I mean (it is difficult to explain).
 ;)

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I also think it is Tohme's arm, he seems to be holding something in his hand when he leaves the bus, and in the video it seems like this hand is still holding this something, while MJ hands are free. Tohme is shorter than MJ, this is maybe why he seems to disappear behind MJ posture.

It does not change my view though, that I do believe the O2 was either staged/pre-recorded/illusion/not MJ....
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Quote from: "mj777gil"
Quote from: "allforlove"
Where did you see his arm? Can you point this out. And what about the different attendances? One where he arrived walking and one where he did get in the bus car whatever you call it.

[attachment=0:25lp5v08]Michael.JPG[/attachment:25lp5v08]

I hope it clarifies what I mean (it is difficult to explain).
 ;)

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Okay, I see what you mean. But there's the question about the different arrivings. This still makes me think the whole thing was staged.I can't find a vid where he arrived in the car wagon but I have seen footage of it.Maybe someone here can look for it?
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Quote from: "allforlove"
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Quote from: "allforlove"
Where did you see his arm? Can you point this out. And what about the different attendances? One where he arrived walking and one where he did get in the bus car whatever you call it.

[attachment=0:hm00m8do]Michael.JPG[/attachment:hm00m8do]

I hope it clarifies what I mean (it is difficult to explain).
 ;)

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Okay, I see what you mean. But there's the question about the different arrivings. This still makes me think the whole thing was staged.I can't find a vid where he arrived in the car wagon but I have seen footage of it.Maybe someone here can look for it?

Sorry.  I also agree with the opinion that the O2 Press Conference was staged.   bounce/
I only was questioning the issue discussed in the video.  :)
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Tohme is walking fast and walks next to Michael or.....he does some magic trick and suddenly disappears  :lol: No, It really seems like that it was shot in 2 times.
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In the trailer for TII, it makes you think that MJ was walking into the staples centre for the rehearsals...thats the impression you get, but it was taken from the 02 announcement...getting off the bus.  I always thought that was strange..

Am I making any sense.??   He is wearing the same clothes that day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUniG6F_RzY
[youtube:2lqvdil8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUniG6F_RzY[/youtube:2lqvdil8]
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Illusion within an illusion. Tohme is there, just behind Mike. His arm and hand are visible. Mike doesn't hold anything in his hand, Tohme does. So that arm has to be Tohme's.
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Why was Tohme Tohme there anyhow ??  Michael looks "controlled" by him...and MJ looks so pissed off...
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
Illusion within an illusion. Tohme is there, just behind Mike. His arm and hand are visible. Mike doesn't hold anything in his hand, Tohme does. So that arm has to be Tohme's.


I already got that. Though I'm convinced it wasn't Michael's intention I'm sure he would love the idea of this illusion. mj_bad/
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I know it wasn't staged because I work with people who went.
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With all due respect, we all have the right to our opinions about this hoax.  I am not sure about some aspects like this topic, but I lean very strongly on the side that one or more aspects of the Press Conf. was staged/green screened.  

Check out the below for interest and reminders.  I think Thome-Thome represented MJ.  Could he have been Randy Jackson made up?  If MJ had decided to fire all but who he could trust based on past experiences, why not appoint his baby brother as his Spokesman/Advisor & Business Manager in disguise.  "A few surprises.  Film."  I may be off, but I just don't find TT as being sinister.  I think he is a made up character.  MJ had to write a partial/full script after all.  On one of the links below, someone made sure that they posted that Thome-Thome and Randy Phillips were allegedly ex brother in laws.  MJ could have planted that story, and especially since there in practically nothing on TT.

If MJ is doing a film, with all of his money and power, he can plant stories in press and for TV.  When we watch movies, there are different characters (ethnic/religious/philosophy - etc) invented/created to play a role.  Nuff said.  One person asked why only one London TV station was carrying the press conference.  Do you Londoners have one called CM?

From the old board, some of us pointed out that there was not ONE PICTURE ever posted of MJ & Curtain/Stage from this event by a FAN or journalist.  Not one.  If anyone has any, please post.  If you read up, one press article had that there were only 300 people (with special wristbands) let in, but thousands stood outside.  The area held over 3200, so why weren't they let in?  Not one fan posted picture, because...............?  May haps they confiscated all cell phones first?  That would have been odd.

Look at this excerpt from link below.

“As Michael waited to go on stage with fans chanting his name, a video highlights reel of his hits and his previous stage appearances was played. A London deejay walked the stage with a hand-held mic under a banner that proclaimed “This is it.” The video clip was titled “The Wait Is Almost Over: The King of Pop Returns” and included “Beat It,” “Billie Jean” and excerpts from “Thriller.” The video, which showed dozens of cutaway shots of crying fans, also featured his legendary dance moves including his famous moonwalk.”

http://www.vegasdeluxe.com/blogs/luxe-l ... e-auction/

Up to the minute stuff related before, during and after PC.

http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/lofiver ... 39969.html

I agree with the author of below post as it pertains to MJ @ 02 acting a Role, although he didn't call it that.  I don't have to do it, but first pic and those of MJ in Mar & May, 2009 are not the same person in my opinion.  As we all have the right to them.  Just like I think MJ was Dave-Dave on LKL, and no one can convince me otherwise, yet I admit that I won't say the same for this topic. There are just some things to this hoax that I feel I know, and others I'm not positive of.

http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... hotos.html

In a way, it's almost like NOW MJ is paying them back in the media by planting articles and what not, because he knows how often they did that to him.  They could have been sending out doubles over the years - and attributing this or that comment or remark or newsy situation to him that he never said, did, authorized nor allowed.
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The pictures of Tohme's arm and head are very convincing to me. And also, one of the members said one of his friends was at the 'event', so how come it has been staged? Did they like.. brainwash everyone?
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As if I haven't enough to do, I have to look up "Ur Dic" to find out what "Mayhaps" means. ;)
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Re: The arena 02 was staged [Disappearing Tohme] part 1

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the videos have been removed!! how can i watch them?? unfortunately,only now i realize there is this topic.....  /white flag/

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