Twins separated at birth

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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

Ok, Smarty-pants, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned Barry Shaw ("if he really exists"), so slyly and innocently. :P   :lol: Either you are obsessed, or you are a cat with a fat canary in your mouth which you are itching to spit out! Are you saying MJ OR HIS TWIN, has played himself AS  B. Shaw, to make us think he is a double? ? We already have one of those weird situations. :shock:  :lol: Could there be more?

viewtopic.php?f=99&t=15510&p=261494&hilit=william+Hall#p261494

It probably IS just like Michael Jackson, to pretend to be his own double.  8-)  :lol:  :lol:
I think this kind of thing would go over better, than that OTHERs have been posing as him to take his place...Perhaps this was a way for him to see if people were paying attention, or if he could actually substitute for himself without being detected, as The REAL THING? IDK...

All I REALLY know for certain, is that people will be UNABLE to BeLIEve the extent to which they have been played, when ALL the beans come out of the bag...good thing MJ eats "angry mob opinion" for breakfast, or I would be worried about him.  :!:  ;) This just gets better and better! :lol:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 21, 2011, 10:23:49 AM
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Haha, yeah.. I've been mentioning it a lot 'cus I'm still not sure if he really exists. :oops:

That could just as well be Michael himself acting a little nervous to create the perfect image of a "body double" to some. But then why people say they've 'debunked' Barry Shaw if he doesn't exist? If Barry Shaw and MJ are the same? For an example, see this video..

Watch from 2:35, - the man says MJ is sometimes very nervous and embarrassed. Either he is talking about a body double or MJ's illusion of a body double.
[youtube:1ux8pxxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAhHTRW_VY[/youtube:1ux8pxxe]

And what is this? People say it's Barry Shaw. And is there any difference? Not to me.. that's why I think Barry Shaw isn't an actual person but a fictional character created by MJ.
[youtube:1ux8pxxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw[/youtube:1ux8pxxe]

You decide!

 You know, of course, that just because someone SAYS on a YouTube vid they put up, that, "this is Barry Shaw", it doesn't mean that it is. WHO is saying? And,  :? , WHY?  

I know twins love to make fools of everyone around them, for sport, but, why do YOU think MJ would pretend to be someone else, pretending to be himself???  Are you saying MJ IS a twin, or simply made one up to entertain himself?  :P  Heck, genius does unusual things. My dad had no friends when he was little, and sewed himself a life sized rag doll to play with... :geek:  :lol:  A., Are you debunking Mr. Shaw, or debunking the debunkers? Fiction doesn't need debunking, right? :)

All I know for certain, is that THIS guy in your last example is the very same guy in (another scripted interview,) the half hour Ebony/Jet interview from the mid eighties, AND the same guy in the SpeedDemon segment of the Moonwalker film. :?  Not to actually open another can of worms, you understand...

The guy in your second example has ALL of the MJ "Boss" about him. If he was really trying to be someone else, he slipped, there, out of character, back into MJ, when he interrupted the interview to command and re-direct the interviewer.  ;) MJ cannot shake his natural dominion, alas. 8-)

Too, I am confused as to why this wasn't edited out, if he REALLY meant to fool someone...

If there really is a "Barry Shaw"-type-MJ-substitute--no matter WHAT name he goes by, he was posing as MJ BEFORE even the Bad Tour started. I wonder, often, what happened to the guy on the jacket of the Off the Wall album. Perhaps MJ stepped out of the life Waaaaaay before any of us realized, and it has NEVER been him, since he quit putting real, unretouched photos of his image on his record jackets. (How is THAT for changing trains in the middle of the ride?) The man is making me NUTS :!:  :o  :lol:  :lol:

Btw, the guy in your first example is NOT the guy in the second example. We've seen him A LOT, publicly, almost TOO much to be an impersonator (the daring, the risk!) but there is something so different about him, and not just physically.

Perhaps MJ simply got "mellower" from exposure to hundreds of eastern religions and polite cultures, or finally was broken by continual persecution (DOUBT THAT :roll:  :!: ), but the guy in the first example is a lot more submissive and "I love you more"-ish, than the guy who had the world by the tail ---and freakin' KNEW it 8-) ----in the 80s and 90s... :?  The first video is not showing someone nervous or embarrassed; but someone who seems to be missing that old MJ superintending control, presence...it is a weird vibe (on purpose?), but, who knows? A LOT of injury in succession can quiet a lion, right? That's the story, for the hoax, I mean, eh?
 
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 04:12:56 PM
The guy walking around as Barry Shaw impersonating Michael Jackson IS Michael Jackson, or his twin bother, impersonating a guy they made up impersonating Michael Jackson...at least in the video here. This would be the ONLY way these two guys could ever be side by side, in person, just going by this second video, here, because THAT guy IS the same MJ we've seen since the 80s, no matter what name he is using. If there really is a Barry Shaw, the guy in this video is not him.

What I don't get is why does MJ (or some double who made the video of supposed B.S.---hey, got that right ;) ) want us to even consider this?  :?
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 27, 2011, 11:16:35 PM
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The below is also why I didn't understand the emotionless MJ singing to Sammy Davis.  His entire swagger was missing.


I think what is missing from this evening, is simply the "Larger Than Life",  

:o MICHAEL JACKSON :o

persona filling the room.

Instead, it is an honest, personal , humble Tribute to a guy he'd known practically since he was a puppy, Mr. Sammy Davis Jr.

I heard that this was SO important to MJ that the song was never sung for anyone else.

Far from being emotionless, MJ's REAL heart is all "on his sleeve", 8-)  as open faced as can be, and Mr. Davis felt it. When he kissed MJ on the jaw, twice...I think everyone cried. One couldn't help it. Gosh.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 29, 2011, 05:15:48 AM
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It's Her, here is where we disagree.  That doesn't look like the real MJ to me.  If he does to you, then that is your right.

The below is what I think was going on.  Hence, the type of SHIRT that that MJ was wearing.  Scroll down to see the box in back of the fake Bush.

http://www.visualfuturist.com/bushiswired/

Some of us learned that Sammy Davis Jr. belonged to the Church of Satan in California, and sacrificed his own eye for Satan.  I learned of this around 2002, and ever since then, I separate the man's music from his belief in who he chose to worship.  I'm sorry, but I lost respect and admiration for him then.  I never listened to him sing or watched a video of his again.  I'm not missing anything, and it is my preference.  

And since I do believe that that was a clone of MJ, who knows, maybe MJ didn't wish to be a part of that "dog and pony show."  This also is why I posted that MJ often found himself between a rock and a hard place.  He'd met knew Sammy Davis Jr. before, and I think he appeared on the Jackson's Variety Show, but that doesn't mean that MJ hung out with him.  When they did that show, MJ was 18/19.  He has lived a lot of life since then, and naturally he's learned a lot of things.  Things that would leave many stunned if not outright shocked.  He probably was around him most when the Jacksons played Las Vegas in the middle to late seventies.

Of course, this is just one article about Mr. Davis.  There are plenty to choose from.

http://www.viceland.com/int/v15n5/htdoc ... vil-jr.php

I've watched and loved MJ since 1969.  I know what I think is "his swagger" and always has been, and in my estimation, that was not it.  MJ has a essence that that dude didn't have.  Mr. Davis Kissed MJ twice on the cheek.  So what?  Mr. Davis knew of all of the tricks and probably knew that that was a fake MJ.  To me, that was a scripted (programmed clone), mild and emotionless.  And the reason they didn't have him speak or interact with Mr. Davis more is because, clones don't have "souls", so they won't give off the essence of being a souled being.Again, this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.  We just respectfully agree to disagree then.

I wondered why the Jacksons didn't have Jesse Jackson speak at Memorial or Funeral.  I think the below might be part of the reason.  They say that Jessie Jackson fingered Martin Luther King - and told the bad guys what hotel he would be staying in, and etc.  Ironically, my parents and I stayed in that same Lorraine Hotel in July 1967 on our way to another Military assignment.  It almost looked like we stayed in the same rooms.  My parents and I spoke about it at the time.  Wow!  

http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03 ... -hotel-ny/

THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET.  THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.

P.S.  I personally think that the above statement about the TRUTH that the family has said will come out (and Doc Murray), all TIES in with the LIES that have been told concerning Michael, his family and with the things that were forced on MJ.  He didn't make the song Morphine for nothing.  Again, he learned many, many things that would blow our minds, and are not for the faint of heart, indeed.  I think MJ's heart is so good and tender that he was able to accept the good and bad in some of the people he interacted with.  He tried so hard to see the good and not the evil.

Some of us believe that finally, we are receiving the STRENGTH we need to HANDLE IT.  (All kinds of Truth)

Well, please, don't believe every thing you read. Church of satan gossip.There is a lot of complete crap out there, especially on the Internet. But, you may believe what ever you want to. The only thing I was addressing was that you said MJ seemed emotionless, when nothing was further from the truth there.

You know, of course, right? while MJ was figuring out what "look" he wanted for himself, he supposedly had some plastic done to his chin.  And you also know how quickly different someone can look when there is a surge of hormones attempting to manify a boy, right? MJ looked younger than he was for years. Heck, John Landis was PICKING HIM UP AND THROWING HIM AROUND, AND TICKLING HIS FEET, as if he were a kid, when MJ was in his 20s!! Maybe this bothered him, but he probably was just a late bloomer with a growth spurt. Not a dang clone.

But now that you mentioned it again, I will address this also, not for you, because you said you were already set in your beliefs, but for the curious undecided, who may be lurking... It is correct. "Clones" are soul-less. A soul is the mind, will and emotions part of the intellect. Without a soul, one could NEVER learn or remember anything, their name, a song, anyone else's name, how to place one foot in front of the other and walk...little things like that. Just because a dancer didn't dance doesn't mean he is a clone. According to science fiction theory, a clone would have the same ability and knowledge of its source donor. This has never happened yet.

Just because someone seems stupid or helpless during debate or when addressing the media, doesn't mean they are a clone! A clone could not even stand erect by himself, let alone understand the language being fed to him through an earpiece.

A dull or inept person, could be having a stroke, could be drugged, inebriated, too stressed by the moment or local hostility to think on their feet, or they could really be simply inept... American presidents have always had "guidance" when public speaking, such as teleprompters, and notes, etc.  It is risky to say any old thing which comes to one's lips, when speaking to ANY one, let alone an international audience! On a job I used to have, we were forbidden to EVER speak to the press. My agency had an office devoted totally to just dealing with the media, and everything was scripted or fed to the speaker on camera. Oft times it is just policy, not cloning.  ;)

Once I learned how cloning "works", I realized it does not. No high functioning beings have ever been truly "cloned". Every human has a different spirit, even multiple identical births have each, their own unique spirit. A real clone would have the same spirit of the source, which is impossible. Souls and spirits don't even have dna or anything physical to perform a cloning WITH :!:  All men can do is grow body PARTS, not even remotely functional human beings.

Only One who created all things has any power to make and place a soul and spirit in any body. The gloriously "successful" experiments we hear about are fabricated and doctored to present results to the people giving grants for their "research", and keep that money coming, for all the millions of unsuccessful--- to date--- experiments with "cloning". It is also foundational propaganda for the new world order, planning to manipulate the world with that old bugaboo, "fear of monsters", and suspicion of each other, to drive people to kill each other off, for population control. The world system has hit the skids, and gone to new lows in doctrines of error. Be careful what you hear. :|  
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: May 02, 2011, 01:06:43 PM
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he wouldn't do that to us fans.

I thought we were all done hearing this. ;)

:lol: He would, he has, and he IS. He is the world's biggest goofball, when it comes to teasing. Think: why would he tease anyone else?

He is playing, with us. The world wouldn't even get it or care. MJ has something ELSE planned for the world. It's called:

"SHOCK"   afraid/  :shock:
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