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Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 18, 2011, 05:28:49 AM
I ran into this article.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 1114793928
 
What if MJ was a twin and he and his brother were separated. Nobody knew at that time that MJ would become famous. What would you do if you suddenly see a copy of yourself on TV, then you start to ask questions. What if the other brother after years finally got in touch with the Jackson? Maybe the twin brother became a part of the whole and everything was kept secret from the outside world. Anyone ideas on this?
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 18, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
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I ran into this article.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 1114793928
 
What if MJ was a twin and he and his brother were separated. Nobody knew at that time that MJ would become famous. What would you do if you suddenly see a copy of yourself on TV, then you start to ask questions. What if the other brother after years finally got in touch with the Jackson? Maybe the twin brother became a part of the whole and everything was kept secret from the outside world. Anyone ideas on this?
I have always thought he'd have a twin. There indeed has to be some difference between Michael Joseph Jackson and Michael Joe Jackson. Two different persons? What if this man named Barry Shaw is Michael Joseph Jackson? The less talented, separated twin - but a good brother to work as decoy. :shock:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 18, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 10:22:07 AM
No twin brother.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
If he had a twin and they were separted at birth one would not really expect them to look the same as adults. How likely is it he would have also have had identical facial surgery?

I think it is too far fetched to consider.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 01:24:06 PM
He  wouldn't necessarily have Vitiligo like MJ and of course would not look like MJ after surgery - unless of course he had identical surgery - It's an interesting theory but personally I don't believe it.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

I think B.arry S.haw is a B.ullll S.hittt story.. I dont believe that guy.. I was also a believer of the twin theory..but I dont believe that theory anymore..
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 01:47:31 PM
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If he had a twin and they were separted at birth one would not really expect them to look the same as adults. How likely is it he would have also have had identical facial surgery?

I think it is too far fetched to consider.


agree, and both had vitiligo? both bleached their skin? No Barry Shaw is an impersonator, people spend thousands of dollars to look like Michael. blessings.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 19, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

Ok, Smarty-pants, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned Barry Shaw ("if he really exists"), so slyly and innocently. :P   :lol: Either you are obsessed, or you are a cat with a fat canary in your mouth which you are itching to spit out! Are you saying MJ OR HIS TWIN, has played himself AS  B. Shaw, to make us think he is a double? ? We already have one of those weird situations. :shock:  :lol: Could there be more?

viewtopic.php?f=99&t=15510&p=261494&hilit=william+Hall#p261494

It probably IS just like Michael Jackson, to pretend to be his own double.  8-)  :lol:  :lol:
I think this kind of thing would go over better, than that OTHERs have been posing as him to take his place...Perhaps this was a way for him to see if people were paying attention, or if he could actually substitute for himself without being detected, as The REAL THING? IDK...

All I REALLY know for certain, is that people will be UNABLE to BeLIEve the extent to which they have been played, when ALL the beans come out of the bag...good thing MJ eats "angry mob opinion" for breakfast, or I would be worried about him.  :!:  ;) This just gets better and better! :lol:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 20, 2011, 09:44:50 AM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

Ok, Smarty-pants, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned Barry Shaw ("if he really exists"), so slyly and innocently. :P   :lol: Either you are obsessed, or you are a cat with a fat canary in your mouth which you are itching to spit out! Are you saying MJ OR HIS TWIN, has played himself AS  B. Shaw, to make us think he is a double? ? We already have one of those weird situations. :shock:  :lol: Could there be more?

viewtopic.php?f=99&t=15510&p=261494&hilit=william+Hall#p261494

It probably IS just like Michael Jackson, to pretend to be his own double.  8-)  :lol:  :lol:
I think this kind of thing would go over better, than that OTHERs have been posing as him to take his place...Perhaps this was a way for him to see if people were paying attention, or if he could actually substitute for himself without being detected, as The REAL THING? IDK...

All I REALLY know for certain, is that people will be UNABLE to BeLIEve the extent to which they have been played, when ALL the beans come out of the bag...good thing MJ eats "angry mob opinion" for breakfast, or I would be worried about him.  :!:  ;) This just gets better and better! :lol:
Haha, yeah.. I've been mentioning it a lot 'cus I'm still not sure if he really exists. :oops:

That could just as well be Michael himself acting a little nervous to create the perfect image of a "body double" to some. But then why people say they've 'debunked' Barry Shaw if he doesn't exist? If Barry Shaw and MJ are the same? For an example, see this video..

Watch from 2:35, - the man says MJ is sometimes very nervous and embarrassed. Either he is talking about a body double or MJ's illusion of a body double.
[youtube:15fqh9l5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAhHTRW_VY[/youtube:15fqh9l5]

And what is this? People say it's Barry Shaw. And is there any difference? Not to me.. that's why I think Barry Shaw isn't an actual person but a fictional character created by MJ.
[youtube:15fqh9l5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw[/youtube:15fqh9l5]

You decide!
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 20, 2011, 02:42:04 PM
Sorry, but how can anyone even think for a millisecond that the last video is not Michael?


  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 20, 2011, 03:40:06 PM
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Sorry, but how can anyone even think for a millisecond that the last video is not Michael?


  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
That's just exactly what I thought!

How can they call it 'debunking Barry Shaw' - when I don't see any damn difference..
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 21, 2011, 10:23:49 AM
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Haha, yeah.. I've been mentioning it a lot 'cus I'm still not sure if he really exists. :oops:

That could just as well be Michael himself acting a little nervous to create the perfect image of a "body double" to some. But then why people say they've 'debunked' Barry Shaw if he doesn't exist? If Barry Shaw and MJ are the same? For an example, see this video..

Watch from 2:35, - the man says MJ is sometimes very nervous and embarrassed. Either he is talking about a body double or MJ's illusion of a body double.
[youtube:1ux8pxxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAhHTRW_VY[/youtube:1ux8pxxe]

And what is this? People say it's Barry Shaw. And is there any difference? Not to me.. that's why I think Barry Shaw isn't an actual person but a fictional character created by MJ.
[youtube:1ux8pxxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw[/youtube:1ux8pxxe]

You decide!

 You know, of course, that just because someone SAYS on a YouTube vid they put up, that, "this is Barry Shaw", it doesn't mean that it is. WHO is saying? And,  :? , WHY?  

I know twins love to make fools of everyone around them, for sport, but, why do YOU think MJ would pretend to be someone else, pretending to be himself???  Are you saying MJ IS a twin, or simply made one up to entertain himself?  :P  Heck, genius does unusual things. My dad had no friends when he was little, and sewed himself a life sized rag doll to play with... :geek:  :lol:  A., Are you debunking Mr. Shaw, or debunking the debunkers? Fiction doesn't need debunking, right? :)

All I know for certain, is that THIS guy in your last example is the very same guy in (another scripted interview,) the half hour Ebony/Jet interview from the mid eighties, AND the same guy in the SpeedDemon segment of the Moonwalker film. :?  Not to actually open another can of worms, you understand...

The guy in your second example has ALL of the MJ "Boss" about him. If he was really trying to be someone else, he slipped, there, out of character, back into MJ, when he interrupted the interview to command and re-direct the interviewer.  ;) MJ cannot shake his natural dominion, alas. 8-)

Too, I am confused as to why this wasn't edited out, if he REALLY meant to fool someone...

If there really is a "Barry Shaw"-type-MJ-substitute--no matter WHAT name he goes by, he was posing as MJ BEFORE even the Bad Tour started. I wonder, often, what happened to the guy on the jacket of the Off the Wall album. Perhaps MJ stepped out of the life Waaaaaay before any of us realized, and it has NEVER been him, since he quit putting real, unretouched photos of his image on his record jackets. (How is THAT for changing trains in the middle of the ride?) The man is making me NUTS :!:  :o  :lol:  :lol:

Btw, the guy in your first example is NOT the guy in the second example. We've seen him A LOT, publicly, almost TOO much to be an impersonator (the daring, the risk!) but there is something so different about him, and not just physically.

Perhaps MJ simply got "mellower" from exposure to hundreds of eastern religions and polite cultures, or finally was broken by continual persecution (DOUBT THAT :roll:  :!: ), but the guy in the first example is a lot more submissive and "I love you more"-ish, than the guy who had the world by the tail ---and freakin' KNEW it 8-) ----in the 80s and 90s... :?  The first video is not showing someone nervous or embarrassed; but someone who seems to be missing that old MJ superintending control, presence...it is a weird vibe (on purpose?), but, who knows? A LOT of injury in succession can quiet a lion, right? That's the story, for the hoax, I mean, eh?
 
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 22, 2011, 07:15:20 AM
No matter how hard anyone tried I don't think they could look like MJ...I think when it comes to the body doubles the doubles don't try to look like MJ, I think over time MJ maybe used prosthetic makeup to look like a double so that (for example, the TII movie) if doubles were used, people might think it was all MJ.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 02:22:00 AM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

Barry Shaw doesn't exist. All he's done to "prove" he exists is show badly photoshopped photos of other impersonators and then get pissed off and whine when the impersonators in question reveal the truth.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 02:24:59 AM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

Ok, Smarty-pants, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned Barry Shaw ("if he really exists"), so slyly and innocently. :P   :lol: Either you are obsessed, or you are a cat with a fat canary in your mouth which you are itching to spit out! Are you saying MJ OR HIS TWIN, has played himself AS  B. Shaw, to make us think he is a double? ? We already have one of those weird situations. :shock:  :lol: Could there be more?

viewtopic.php?f=99&t=15510&p=261494&hilit=william+Hall#p261494

It probably IS just like Michael Jackson, to pretend to be his own double.  8-)  :lol:  :lol:
I think this kind of thing would go over better, than that OTHERs have been posing as him to take his place...Perhaps this was a way for him to see if people were paying attention, or if he could actually substitute for himself without being detected, as The REAL THING? IDK...

All I REALLY know for certain, is that people will be UNABLE to BeLIEve the extent to which they have been played, when ALL the beans come out of the bag...good thing MJ eats "angry mob opinion" for breakfast, or I would be worried about him.  :!:  ;) This just gets better and better! :lol:
Haha, yeah.. I've been mentioning it a lot 'cus I'm still not sure if he really exists. :oops:

That could just as well be Michael himself acting a little nervous to create the perfect image of a "body double" to some. But then why people say they've 'debunked' Barry Shaw if he doesn't exist? If Barry Shaw and MJ are the same? For an example, see this video..

Watch from 2:35, - the man says MJ is sometimes very nervous and embarrassed. Either he is talking about a body double or MJ's illusion of a body double.
[youtube:3ktpwf7m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAhHTRW_VY[/youtube:3ktpwf7m]

And what is this? People say it's Barry Shaw. And is there any difference? Not to me.. that's why I think Barry Shaw isn't an actual person but a fictional character created by MJ.
[youtube:3ktpwf7m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw[/youtube:3ktpwf7m]

You decide!


If Michael made up Barry, that would mean it's actually Michael out there promoting suicidal whackjob cults (Heaven's Gate) to his fans, as well as majorly disrespecting fans who "don't believe in him" and even more majorly disrespecting people like Christopher Gaspar... who is one of the nicest people I've ever had contact with.

To be honest, if I ever found out that Michael DID make up Barry and use him as a front, I'd lose all my respect for him.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 02:56:47 AM
Michael is a complex person, his life more complex than most, but I don't believe he has a twin or identical double. If he wanted to play pranks, who can stop him, he will do what he wishes. I won't desert him any time soon. You either love him or leave him.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 08:29:08 AM
But if Barry Shaw really exists as a real person, then it could also mean the man at O2 wasn't Michael. Every picture of Barry Shaw you see, he has glasses on. Does it mean everything else in him is the same except for his eyes? Notice the similarity of the laugh of the O2 Michael & the one they interviewed here as Barry Shaw. I don't know, my mind is blown about the double theory that's why I can't discuss it. :lol:

I hope someday we get to see Michael and Barry Shaw together at the same place and there would no longer be any confusion.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 12:18:08 PM
Are we saying that those videos are someone else and not Michael :shock:   That’s Michael Jackson unless Barry Shaw is an alias for Michael Jackson.  I don’t see any difference.  If I’m missing it please point it out.  Mirror image or I’m really, really going blind :shock:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
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Are we saying that those videos are someone else and not Michael :shock:   That’s Michael Jackson unless Barry Shaw is an alias for Michael Jackson.  I don’t see any difference.  If I’m missing it please point it out.  Mirror image or I’m really, really going blind :shock:

LMAO! Glad it's not just me.  :lol:

WTH happened anyway? Did someone just get bored one day, pickout some MJ videos and make a You Tube vid claiming it to be 'Barry Shaw'' so gullible people would believe it?  :?

If anyone can show me some conclusive proof that there is a real impersonator called Barry Shaw I will apologise profusely, but for now I am convinced it is just bull@*$&. :D
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 04:12:56 PM
The guy walking around as Barry Shaw impersonating Michael Jackson IS Michael Jackson, or his twin bother, impersonating a guy they made up impersonating Michael Jackson...at least in the video here. This would be the ONLY way these two guys could ever be side by side, in person, just going by this second video, here, because THAT guy IS the same MJ we've seen since the 80s, no matter what name he is using. If there really is a Barry Shaw, the guy in this video is not him.

What I don't get is why does MJ (or some double who made the video of supposed B.S.---hey, got that right ;) ) want us to even consider this?  :?
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 04:39:33 PM
OH come on!!!  I've been looking at Michael Jackson since 1969!!  I know Michael as well as my face, maybe more as I don't look at myself all day..lol.  Those videos, ARE Michael.  Who says they are NOT??
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 04:45:51 PM
it's simple really he was behaving differently when he was being addressed than when someone else was being addressed about him.  you might not recognize it because it is so rare . it's called being humble ;)

that said i have really started to wonder if his handlers didn't use someone else when he was supposed to be out of the country on tour.  could be why the fbi is involved. there has been something goin on there is no doubt, but what?
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
"I" think....it's just a clue...that Michael Jackson is impersonating himself now, and that's how he's getting around :)  When did this Barry Shaw come into view?
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 05:03:38 PM
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"I" think....it's just a clue...that Michael Jackson is impersonating himself now, and that's how he's getting around :)  When did this Barry Shaw come into view?


i don't know how long he has been around since i only heard of him since this forum but michael kiss was upset at him a month or so ago due to his claiming he was the 02 guy.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
I can't find a thing on him from before that, and even that is just an assumption/accusation from then, that was after the "death", right?
It's strange.  Maybe, Michael isn't really TOO undercover.  Maybe he needed a "face" so he could move about.  Maybe one that didn't mean wearing latex/etc all the time.  Can you imagine people all the time "man, you really do look like Michael"..."all except...blah blah blah" when it really is Michael??  He'd be cracking up.  It'd be great footage for a movie...
Perfect.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Katherine Jackson didn't become a Jehovah Witness until 1963.  It could be a possibility that Michael has a twin.  Michael does mention "It was good to sing with my brother" on the back of the TII album cover and the song from Captain EO "We are here to change the world." Also the song "Another Part of me."
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 23, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
I’ll say this, Michael’s style is to die for.  He looks so damn GQ 8-)    In that first vid, that black with a little flirt of red is smokin hot.  He is so well put together.  Dang,  Mikie :lol:  Fashion extraordinaire! 8-)
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 24, 2011, 12:01:14 AM
Wouldn't it be GREAT (well not GREAT) if the one who did die was a very long term terminally ill double, and now Michael is being his own double??  YEAH that's a Michael move!
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 24, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

I think B.arry S.haw is a B.ullll S.hittt story.. I dont believe that guy.. I was also a believer of the twin theory..but I dont believe that theory anymore..

Yep, There is NOONE called barry shaw. A dumb person created a facebook page and lied everyone that he was the 02 guy and he added some pictures of Michael himself to convince people. And gullible people who easily believe that he is not Michael in the pictures, of course believed in him. His account was deleted by Facebook after some of the believers reported his account. But he became an urban legend.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 24, 2011, 12:25:24 AM
Or did he??  We tend to overlook things that may really end up being right in the end.  I mean, could be Michael had that info on there about Barry...and that it was to let us know...well, to me what a perfect set up...as I stated earlier...
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 25, 2011, 10:20:53 AM
I can't find the You Tube I was looking for where I was talking about MJ seeming different.  I don't think it was the one with Quincy and snake.  MJ had on a red jacket.  I'll keep looking.  He may have been alone.  I still think that's when they first brought a clone of his out (Triller time).  There propably were a couple over the stretch.  At times, they can't get them exactly alike, like height and all, but they can hit it pretty close otherwise.

Again, may haps that was what Papa Joe was inferring.  He just chose that opportunity before the Premiere of This Is It, to mention doubles, but I think he was thinking about this other thing, and at times, it boils his blood.

Please Google Politicians and clones, and you’ll learn what some are reporting about the practice.  Surely, the practice could have been carried out with others in entertainment/high profile.

Then look at this MJ singing tribute to Sammy Davis Jr. , November 1989, and the 2300 Jackson Street pictures taken in 1989.  I think the chins are different.  There is something off about the MJ singing to Sammy Davis.  Even the way he walks up to the mic isn't vintage MJ.

I could be totally wrong, but I've considered since the old MJHD board, although I read up on the clone subject years ago.  Souza made an excellent point about this months and months ago when she pointed out the height difference during the trial.  

Of course, there is a huge difference between an impersonator (and the ones that had surgery to look like MJ) and a clone.  Some feel very strongly that Paul McC. is a double, and that the real one died in 1964.  There is a lot that will come out I think.  Could this be part of Da Truth Will Prevail - eventually?

http://michaelpictures.net/thumbnails.php?album=1081

http://popmoderne.wordpress.com/2010/02 ... rare-clip/

Other You Tubes of MJ circa 1989.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92BVuQbuyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAVyI8N ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5hIfli ... re=related
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 25, 2011, 03:15:08 PM
Here is one of the links talking about human cloning.

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/print.php?id=14868
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 26, 2011, 01:43:20 PM
Sorry if my posts were downers y'all.

Here is something I like to watch every now and then.  There is literally very little this man can't do.  He could do any kind of dance.  Talkin' 'bout Dancing With the Stars.  That is what our angel is doing now.

The below is also why I didn't understand the emotionless MJ singing to Sammy Davis.  His entire swagger was missing. MJ often spoke about him with affection.  I think MJ eventually was caught between a rock and a hard place.  He learned of certain ones non faith and love for their creator.  He knew who they thought they worshipped instead.  His heart is so tender to be a man.  He learned of some of the evil some had engaged in, but I bet you, at times, he didn't see or feel it when he was with or around them.  They say Sammy Davis gave up/sacrificed his own eye for fame and fortune, and that he didn't lose it by the hands of the mob for dating white women.  

Oh the webs Michael saw and/or learned about being or having been weaved.

Honestly, I know that our very own MICHAEL JOE JACKSON is alive.  He survived it all, and like he boasted (LOL), he outsmarted them all.  He Escaped, and is literally loving and living the life the creator gave him.  He is taking his One More Chance, and he is being outstandingly Creative with the opportunity.  

God please continue to bless him so that he can keep fighting the good fight.  He didn't give in to the 7even deadly sins.  Yet, he is a man and like all of us humans, he too has sinned.  God knows all of our hearts, and He is protecting MJ's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6J0OaymTE
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 26, 2011, 03:16:47 PM
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Why would the twins be seperated? If katherine had twins she would keep them both. Don't forget she is jehova witness. That is against their religion. So i honestly don't think.
Yeah.. True that.

But how come someone can look so much like MJ if he isn't related? If I saw a copy of myself I would like freak out or something.. everyone is unique, right? :? And by this I don't mean all the impersonators of MJ (E'Casanova & Navi, etc..), I am talking about Barry Shaw. If he really exists, - his voice, looks, facial structure and everything is identical to MJ's. :P

I think B.arry S.haw is a B.ullll S.hittt story.. I dont believe that guy.. I was also a believer of the twin theory..but I dont believe that theory anymore..

Yep, There is NOONE called barry shaw. A dumb person created a facebook page and lied everyone that he was the 02 guy and he added some pictures of Michael himself to convince people. And gullible people who easily believe that he is not Michael in the pictures, of course believed in him. His account was deleted by Facebook after some of the believers reported his account. But he became an urban legend.
Yeah, also.. I was watching some video by MJHoaxEvidence about Barry Shaw, and there was a comment from someone saying it was his friend who lied to everyone. Someone spanish probably, (judging by his name).. don't remember it exactly. Look it up if you want to see the comment.

Who is the closest one to look like Michael, out of the impersonators we know so far? Just asking.. :D
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 27, 2011, 11:16:35 PM
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The below is also why I didn't understand the emotionless MJ singing to Sammy Davis.  His entire swagger was missing.


I think what is missing from this evening, is simply the "Larger Than Life",  

:o MICHAEL JACKSON :o

persona filling the room.

Instead, it is an honest, personal , humble Tribute to a guy he'd known practically since he was a puppy, Mr. Sammy Davis Jr.

I heard that this was SO important to MJ that the song was never sung for anyone else.

Far from being emotionless, MJ's REAL heart is all "on his sleeve", 8-)  as open faced as can be, and Mr. Davis felt it. When he kissed MJ on the jaw, twice...I think everyone cried. One couldn't help it. Gosh.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 28, 2011, 11:20:49 AM
It's Her, here is where we disagree.  That doesn't look like the real MJ to me.  If he does to you, then that is your right.

The below is what I think was going on.  Hence, the type of SHIRT that that MJ was wearing.  Scroll down to see the box in back of the fake Bush.

http://www.visualfuturist.com/bushiswired/

Some of us learned that Sammy Davis Jr. belonged to the Church of Satan in California, and sacrificed his own eye for Satan.  I learned of this around 2002, and ever since then, I separate the man's music from his belief in who he chose to worship.  I'm sorry, but I lost respect and admiration for him then.  I never listened to him sing or watched a video of his again.  I'm not missing anything, and it is my preference.  

And since I do believe that that was a clone of MJ, who knows, maybe MJ didn't wish to be a part of that "dog and pony show."  This also is why I posted that MJ often found himself between a rock and a hard place.  He'd met knew Sammy Davis Jr. before, and I think he appeared on the Jackson's Variety Show, but that doesn't mean that MJ hung out with him.  When they did that show, MJ was 18/19.  He has lived a lot of life since then, and naturally he's learned a lot of things.  Things that would leave many stunned if not outright shocked.  He probably was around him most when the Jacksons played Las Vegas in the middle to late seventies.

Of course, this is just one article about Mr. Davis.  There are plenty to choose from.

http://www.viceland.com/int/v15n5/htdoc ... vil-jr.php

I've watched and loved MJ since 1969.  I know what I think is "his swagger" and always has been, and in my estimation, that was not it.  MJ has a essence that that dude didn't have.  Mr. Davis Kissed MJ twice on the cheek.  So what?  Mr. Davis knew of all of the tricks and probably knew that that was a fake MJ.  To me, that was a scripted (programmed clone), mild and emotionless.  And the reason they didn't have him speak or interact with Mr. Davis more is because, clones don't have "souls", so they won't give off the essence of being a souled being.

Again, this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.  We just respectfully agree to disagree then.

I wondered why the Jacksons didn't have Jesse Jackson speak at Memorial or Funeral.  I think the below might be part of the reason.  They say that Jessie Jackson fingered Martin Luther King - and told the bad guys what hotel he would be staying in, and etc.  Ironically, my parents and I stayed in that same Lorraine Hotel in July 1967 on our way to another Military assignment.  It almost looked like we stayed in the same rooms.  My parents and I spoke about it at the time.  Wow!  

http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03 ... -hotel-ny/

THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET.  THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.

P.S.  I personally think that the above statement about the TRUTH that the family has said will come out (and Doc Murray), all TIES in with the LIES that have been told concerning Michael, his family and with the things that were forced on MJ.  He didn't make the song Morphine for nothing.  Again, he learned many, many things that would blow our minds, and are not for the faint of heart, indeed.  I think MJ's heart is so good and tender that he was able to accept the good and bad in some of the people he interacted with.  He tried so hard to see the good and not the evil.

Some of us believe that finally, we are receiving the STRENGTH we need to HANDLE IT.  (All kinds of Truth)
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 28, 2011, 02:09:42 PM
One out of literally hundreds of pictures where the original MJ has tailored chin.  I got this from another board.  MJ singing to Sammy Davis Jr. on above pic & video's chin looks 10 squared.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 29, 2011, 05:15:48 AM
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It's Her, here is where we disagree.  That doesn't look like the real MJ to me.  If he does to you, then that is your right.

The below is what I think was going on.  Hence, the type of SHIRT that that MJ was wearing.  Scroll down to see the box in back of the fake Bush.

http://www.visualfuturist.com/bushiswired/

Some of us learned that Sammy Davis Jr. belonged to the Church of Satan in California, and sacrificed his own eye for Satan.  I learned of this around 2002, and ever since then, I separate the man's music from his belief in who he chose to worship.  I'm sorry, but I lost respect and admiration for him then.  I never listened to him sing or watched a video of his again.  I'm not missing anything, and it is my preference.  

And since I do believe that that was a clone of MJ, who knows, maybe MJ didn't wish to be a part of that "dog and pony show."  This also is why I posted that MJ often found himself between a rock and a hard place.  He'd met knew Sammy Davis Jr. before, and I think he appeared on the Jackson's Variety Show, but that doesn't mean that MJ hung out with him.  When they did that show, MJ was 18/19.  He has lived a lot of life since then, and naturally he's learned a lot of things.  Things that would leave many stunned if not outright shocked.  He probably was around him most when the Jacksons played Las Vegas in the middle to late seventies.

Of course, this is just one article about Mr. Davis.  There are plenty to choose from.

http://www.viceland.com/int/v15n5/htdoc ... vil-jr.php

I've watched and loved MJ since 1969.  I know what I think is "his swagger" and always has been, and in my estimation, that was not it.  MJ has a essence that that dude didn't have.  Mr. Davis Kissed MJ twice on the cheek.  So what?  Mr. Davis knew of all of the tricks and probably knew that that was a fake MJ.  To me, that was a scripted (programmed clone), mild and emotionless.  And the reason they didn't have him speak or interact with Mr. Davis more is because, clones don't have "souls", so they won't give off the essence of being a souled being.Again, this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.  We just respectfully agree to disagree then.

I wondered why the Jacksons didn't have Jesse Jackson speak at Memorial or Funeral.  I think the below might be part of the reason.  They say that Jessie Jackson fingered Martin Luther King - and told the bad guys what hotel he would be staying in, and etc.  Ironically, my parents and I stayed in that same Lorraine Hotel in July 1967 on our way to another Military assignment.  It almost looked like we stayed in the same rooms.  My parents and I spoke about it at the time.  Wow!  

http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2010/03 ... -hotel-ny/

THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET.  THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.

P.S.  I personally think that the above statement about the TRUTH that the family has said will come out (and Doc Murray), all TIES in with the LIES that have been told concerning Michael, his family and with the things that were forced on MJ.  He didn't make the song Morphine for nothing.  Again, he learned many, many things that would blow our minds, and are not for the faint of heart, indeed.  I think MJ's heart is so good and tender that he was able to accept the good and bad in some of the people he interacted with.  He tried so hard to see the good and not the evil.

Some of us believe that finally, we are receiving the STRENGTH we need to HANDLE IT.  (All kinds of Truth)

Well, please, don't believe every thing you read. Church of satan gossip.There is a lot of complete crap out there, especially on the Internet. But, you may believe what ever you want to. The only thing I was addressing was that you said MJ seemed emotionless, when nothing was further from the truth there.

You know, of course, right? while MJ was figuring out what "look" he wanted for himself, he supposedly had some plastic done to his chin.  And you also know how quickly different someone can look when there is a surge of hormones attempting to manify a boy, right? MJ looked younger than he was for years. Heck, John Landis was PICKING HIM UP AND THROWING HIM AROUND, AND TICKLING HIS FEET, as if he were a kid, when MJ was in his 20s!! Maybe this bothered him, but he probably was just a late bloomer with a growth spurt. Not a dang clone.

But now that you mentioned it again, I will address this also, not for you, because you said you were already set in your beliefs, but for the curious undecided, who may be lurking... It is correct. "Clones" are soul-less. A soul is the mind, will and emotions part of the intellect. Without a soul, one could NEVER learn or remember anything, their name, a song, anyone else's name, how to place one foot in front of the other and walk...little things like that. Just because a dancer didn't dance doesn't mean he is a clone. According to science fiction theory, a clone would have the same ability and knowledge of its source donor. This has never happened yet.

Just because someone seems stupid or helpless during debate or when addressing the media, doesn't mean they are a clone! A clone could not even stand erect by himself, let alone understand the language being fed to him through an earpiece.

A dull or inept person, could be having a stroke, could be drugged, inebriated, too stressed by the moment or local hostility to think on their feet, or they could really be simply inept... American presidents have always had "guidance" when public speaking, such as teleprompters, and notes, etc.  It is risky to say any old thing which comes to one's lips, when speaking to ANY one, let alone an international audience! On a job I used to have, we were forbidden to EVER speak to the press. My agency had an office devoted totally to just dealing with the media, and everything was scripted or fed to the speaker on camera. Oft times it is just policy, not cloning.  ;)

Once I learned how cloning "works", I realized it does not. No high functioning beings have ever been truly "cloned". Every human has a different spirit, even multiple identical births have each, their own unique spirit. A real clone would have the same spirit of the source, which is impossible. Souls and spirits don't even have dna or anything physical to perform a cloning WITH :!:  All men can do is grow body PARTS, not even remotely functional human beings.

Only One who created all things has any power to make and place a soul and spirit in any body. The gloriously "successful" experiments we hear about are fabricated and doctored to present results to the people giving grants for their "research", and keep that money coming, for all the millions of unsuccessful--- to date--- experiments with "cloning". It is also foundational propaganda for the new world order, planning to manipulate the world with that old bugaboo, "fear of monsters", and suspicion of each other, to drive people to kill each other off, for population control. The world system has hit the skids, and gone to new lows in doctrines of error. Be careful what you hear. :|  
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: April 29, 2011, 10:27:13 AM
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But if Barry Shaw really exists as a real person, then it could also mean the man at O2 wasn't Michael. Every picture of Barry Shaw you see, he has glasses on. Does it mean everything else in him is the same except for his eyes? Notice the similarity of the laugh of the O2 Michael & the one they interviewed here as Barry Shaw. I don't know, my mind is blown about the double theory that's why I can't discuss it. :lol:

I hope someday we get to see Michael and Barry Shaw together at the same place and there would no longer be any confusion.


Yes he can have some facial features but if you listened to his speech, as soon as he opened his mouth it was not Michael, that is not Michael's voice. It was deep voice, Michael has a soft childish voice. That was not Michael and there will be nobody who will make me change my mind. Barry shaw is not a figment of Michael's imagination, he is a real person who has done lots of plastic surgery to look like Michael. Probably Michael used Barry Shaw for diversity. Michael  is not playing games, he is not pretending to be Barry Shaw. Yes he is a pranker, but also he wouldn't do that to us fans.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: May 02, 2011, 01:06:43 PM
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he wouldn't do that to us fans.

I thought we were all done hearing this. ;)

:lol: He would, he has, and he IS. He is the world's biggest goofball, when it comes to teasing. Think: why would he tease anyone else?

He is playing, with us. The world wouldn't even get it or care. MJ has something ELSE planned for the world. It's called:

"SHOCK"   afraid/  :shock:
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: July 15, 2011, 06:41:03 PM
Barry Shaw died. He was ill, he had Cancer in his lungs.

The Twins ALWAYS were together, and We can to see them when the trials on 2005.
http://gemelomichaeljackson.blogspot.co ... os_10.html
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: July 16, 2011, 02:20:57 PM
Thanks for posting the Spanish site on the "gemelos".  The author found some good examples of the twins.  Why would Marlon have mentioned the missing twin Brandon at the Memorial?  Actually, a twin would have been very convenient for a child performer because children cannot be expected to handle the rigors of performing night after night. And Michael was the headliner. It was the secret kept hidden all these years. I am glad this subject was brought up again.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: July 21, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
It's an interesting Spanish Blog, I'm researching about this theory. I have found some clues.. If you want to talk about this theoy, Send me a MP.

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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: July 22, 2011, 10:39:18 AM
I went to the spanish site "gemelos"and watch all the video's, well the ones I could see. There were a few who didn't work any longer. After seeing all the comparisons I can't say I'm convinced there are two of them. To me they all seem one and the same our Michael Jackson. They didn't show any real evidence in my opinion.
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Re: Twins separated at birth

  • on: August 24, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
This is a theory that I have come to doubt. I think a double is likely, but not a twin. I did want to address something that was said earlier in this post. It is not against the JW religion to give up your child, if it is for the good of the child. Usually, the children will be fostered or adopted by other JWs. However, Katherine Jackson does not strike me as the kind of woman who would give up her child. She had several and kept all the others (and don't forget, she had experienced the death of a child before Mmichael came along) , so I think if Michael had a twin, it would be public knowledge and he would have be raised by Joe and Katherine.
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