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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
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i think the paramedics who responded "that" day were the real deal.They got there and found  a "hospice patient" a "frail old man" and did not know it was MJ until it was pointed out to them.They testified to this in court, under oath. They possibly don't speak out on the ambulance picture because of hipaa regulations?
Who am i kidding, i'm lost here...
I don't think the court was real. That doesn't mean anyone in that room is in on the hoax, but at least the key people and (some) witnesses. The trial isn't going to be real either. Like Jermaine said, first justice, then truth. Which means no truth in the trial (fake), but justice. How? I guess we just need to sit back and watch it.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:10:51 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm not an avid reader of TS' posts (I truly apologize for that  :oops: ) so maybe I do not understand the value of his post, but my question is what's the use of trying to figure this all out? I thought that, now we are (hopefully) getting closer to a possible bam, there will be more important reasons to learn about this hoax. I feel that this post of TS does not add any important information, except the fact Michaels death really was fake and staged. But we came to that conclusion a long time ago right? I haven't post much lately because I had the feeling we were running around in circles and I get that same feeling once again with this particular post. I hope someone can explain to me what's the reason for this post, what kind of information in it will help us to UNDERSTAND the reasons of the hoax? Hugs

I must have asked a really stupid question, because noone took the time to give me a (short) answer. I know I do not belong to the group of regular posters, but I'm a bit disappointed and I feel ignored. We can continue to repeat the same old stuff again and again but my question is: what's the use of it and aren't there much more important things to learn whether it is or isn't the same ambulance? Please fill me in!
To get a complete, coherent theory. The forum is full of theories and beliefs, this way we will come to just one, solid theory that can be backed up with evidence.

Thank you Souza for answering me  :) . I do understand what you are saying, but I still feel this evidence isn't important anymore. If Michael decides to return, I believe that the world isn't interested in HOW he did it, but WHY he did it. This feels like keeping us 'busy' in a quit time with no news.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:19:16 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm not an avid reader of TS' posts (I truly apologize for that  :oops: ) so maybe I do not understand the value of his post, but my question is what's the use of trying to figure this all out? I thought that, now we are (hopefully) getting closer to a possible bam, there will be more important reasons to learn about this hoax. I feel that this post of TS does not add any important information, except the fact Michaels death really was fake and staged. But we came to that conclusion a long time ago right? I haven't post much lately because I had the feeling we were running around in circles and I get that same feeling once again with this particular post. I hope someone can explain to me what's the reason for this post, what kind of information in it will help us to UNDERSTAND the reasons of the hoax? Hugs

I must have asked a really stupid question, because noone took the time to give me a (short) answer. I know I do not belong to the group of regular posters, but I'm a bit disappointed and I feel ignored. We can continue to repeat the same old stuff again and again but my question is: what's the use of it and aren't there much more important things to learn whether it is or isn't the same ambulance? Please fill me in!
To get a complete, coherent theory. The forum is full of theories and beliefs, this way we will come to just one, solid theory that can be backed up with evidence.

Thank you Souza for answering me  :) . I do understand what you are saying, but I still feel this evidence isn't important anymore. If Michael decides to return, I believe that the world isn't interested in HOW he did it, but WHY he did it. This feels like keeping us 'busy' in a quit time with no news.
Well ,your first question is mine too!
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
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Well it's nice to know that these close examinations with an insider to guide us are going to continue into the future for a while at least, while we await the trial. Thanks Im_convincedmjalive for that documentary reinactment video. I wonder who they had acting the part for MJ. He looks very close to the real thing. Even there MJ is clearly not looking like a frail sick old man. Do you know what date that was televised? I'm thinking too that MJ could be behind the making of it. He is fully clothed not naked as has been reported. What amazes me is that the professional investigators don't even seem to think hoax with all the fishy things that don't add up. Even commenters on TMZ seem to be so clueless after all this time. What's wrong with these people.

In the hospital ambulance pics, I'm thinking the right paramedic is black (too distant and hard to see MJ in him) and yet the two in the still pic are clearly both white. Murray does seem too short but he is leaning forward. In the courtroom he is a head taller than the others, though maybe paramedics tend to be taller IDK. To me the 2 ambulances seem the same, just the lighting different (flash or not). My thoughts are that in the famous pic and hospital amb pic, the EMT are all actors. There's just no way anyone would not recognize MJ. The ones giving testimony to officials are clearly not telling the truth and I think have all signed confidentiality clauses for the hoax. Swearing on the Bible means nothing in this hoax clearly, since it is "acting". (There's no way of getting around it, lots of pure lies but for unkown just cause.) There were 2 ambulances at the house, one backing out and one still visible inside the yard. Even if one of them had unsuspecting EMT, they would have wondered what the other one was for and been suspicious, plus all the other wacky wrong things. I think too the tour bus 17 (71 :o ) seems like the timing was included for witnesses and their cameras, but the bus driver needed not be knowing of the hoax.
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This Friday, Feb. 26, the VH1 program will present its take into the death of one of the most famous celebrities of all time, Michael Jackson. The entire world mourned when it was announced The King of Pop had died on June 25, 2009, apparently of a drug overdose.
Your welcome. I think this show was discussed on the forum last year but at the time people were to sensitive still over the death that I am thinking many didn't realize how much info could actually be in favor of the hoax.

Timing is everything and now 20/20 hindsight shows how much we may have missed. I didn't watch it until a couple of days ago. I don't know what category the thread is in now.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:25:49 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm not an avid reader of TS' posts (I truly apologize for that  :oops: ) so maybe I do not understand the value of his post, but my question is what's the use of trying to figure this all out? I thought that, now we are (hopefully) getting closer to a possible bam, there will be more important reasons to learn about this hoax. I feel that this post of TS does not add any important information, except the fact Michaels death really was fake and staged. But we came to that conclusion a long time ago right? I haven't post much lately because I had the feeling we were running around in circles and I get that same feeling once again with this particular post. I hope someone can explain to me what's the reason for this post, what kind of information in it will help us to UNDERSTAND the reasons of the hoax? Hugs

I must have asked a really stupid question, because noone took the time to give me a (short) answer. I know I do not belong to the group of regular posters, but I'm a bit disappointed and I feel ignored. We can continue to repeat the same old stuff again and again but my question is: what's the use of it and aren't there much more important things to learn whether it is or isn't the same ambulance? Please fill me in!
To get a complete, coherent theory. The forum is full of theories and beliefs, this way we will come to just one, solid theory that can be backed up with evidence.

Thank you Souza for answering me  :) . I do understand what you are saying, but I still feel this evidence isn't important anymore. If Michael decides to return, I believe that the world isn't interested in HOW he did it, but WHY he did it. This feels like keeping us 'busy' in a quit time with no news.

Well I am interested, and I think that after the shock of the return and the questions of the 'whys', people sure want to know how the hell he fooled them that long.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:27:19 PM
guys. please forgive me i know we are supposed to be focused on the paramedics but. that middle picture caught my eye. could someone who has proper equipment or experties look at it a little closer. in the reflection of the glass i see a face . it seems a bit familiar. then maybe i should go have a comfy time out in my corner.  :oops:

oh yeah . didn't kenny testify to michael saying something about equipment would be arriving the next day for the illusion?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm not an avid reader of TS' posts (I truly apologize for that  :oops: ) so maybe I do not understand the value of his post, but my question is what's the use of trying to figure this all out? I thought that, now we are (hopefully) getting closer to a possible bam, there will be more important reasons to learn about this hoax. I feel that this post of TS does not add any important information, except the fact Michaels death really was fake and staged. But we came to that conclusion a long time ago right? I haven't post much lately because I had the feeling we were running around in circles and I get that same feeling once again with this particular post. I hope someone can explain to me what's the reason for this post, what kind of information in it will help us to UNDERSTAND the reasons of the hoax? Hugs

I must have asked a really stupid question, because noone took the time to give me a (short) answer. I know I do not belong to the group of regular posters, but I'm a bit disappointed and I feel ignored. We can continue to repeat the same old stuff again and again but my question is: what's the use of it and aren't there much more important things to learn whether it is or isn't the same ambulance? Please fill me in!
To get a complete, coherent theory. The forum is full of theories and beliefs, this way we will come to just one, solid theory that can be backed up with evidence.

Thank you Souza for answering me  :) . I do understand what you are saying, but I still feel this evidence isn't important anymore. If Michael decides to return, I believe that the world isn't interested in HOW he did it, but WHY he did it. This feels like keeping us 'busy' in a quit time with no news.

Well I am interested, and I think that after the shock of the return and the questions of the 'whys', people sure want to know how the hell he fooled them that long.

OK, that I understand! I do hope he makes a hell of a movie of it!!!
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
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I guess if you want to determine if it's the actual #71 ambulance or just one that looks almost like it we could start back with the cabinets that don't appear to match. The white/silver trim around the cabinet in the video is not seen in the ambulance photo.
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I would like to ask you a question, why is the ambulance with the fire department? I am asking because here in Montreal,Canada our ambulances do not belong to the fire department. I just thought maybe that explains the hoaxed ambulance.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:31:14 PM
IMO there is NO way unless Michael totally explains how and why, that I'll believe this is a number game with Michale and hoaxing.  I do not think he was planning it and set down and said, geez I have to do it this day, or can't do it that way because the numbers don't work out.  Oh, down the road, these numbers don't work out so we have to scrap that  too...
Nope,I think his agenda was way to intense to have to do this to begin with and I don't believe he had time, or put his need to do it on the cusp of numbers matching up.
JMO
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 05:57:37 PM
Cont. to read here:
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Ex-UCLA Worker Pleads Guilty To Selling Celebrity Medical Records
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LOS ANGELES — A former employee of UCLA Medical Center pleaded guilty Monday to selling information from the medical records of celebrities and high-profile patients, including Britney Spears and Farrah Fawcett, to the National Enquirer.

Lawanda Jackson, 49, spoke quietly as she entered her plea to the felony charge of violating federal medical privacy law for commercial purposes in U.S. District Court.

She faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, followed by three years of supervised release, and a $250,000 fine. Sentencing is set for May.

Jackson and her attorney, Angel Navarro, declined to comment after the hearing.

Jackson worked as an administrative specialist at the UCLA hospitals for 32 years and in recent years began using her supervisor's password to access medical records inappropriately, authorities said.

The tabloid deposited checks totaling at least $4,600 into her husband's checking account beginning in 2006, prosecutors said. Jackson resigned in July 2007 before she could be fired.

Jackson and state officials have disclosed that records for Spears, Fawcett and California first lady Maria Shriver were among those breached.

Fawcett's attorney, Kim Swartz, said in April that the star's cancer diagnosis and details of her treatment showed up in the National Enquirer after an employee at the hospital accessed her medical records.
Do you think the hospital might be taking extra careful measures to avoid another issue like this one with Farrah? I believe that the UCLA ER personnel would absolutely keep their mouths shut (without having to sign a contract for the hoax) because of this issue in the past. The ER people don't need to be in the know for this to work.  ;)

In a real emergency most people are not focused on faces. They are focused on the illness, injury, etc. If Michael did ride in the ambulance as a paramedic or the guy sitting up on the strecher (remember that guy) the people in the ER wouldn't be looking to see if he is Michael. They would be focused on fixing the patient.

The guy sitting up on the strecher at the ER doors in my opinion is another subliminal clue to get people wondering WTH is going on. I think those pictures of the ambulance at the ER doors are staged also.

There is also the guy who is filmed through the gate and he is suspect to me as being Michael. That would connect the dot to the paramedic in question being him.

Mass confusion happened that day at UCLA when the news broke.

People were/are under a spell.  8-)


P.S. You do know who that is? CA Gov. Arnold's wife.
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
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guys. please forgive me i know we are supposed to be focused on the paramedics but. that middle picture caught my eye. could someone who has proper equipment or experties look at it a little closer. in the reflection of the glass i see a face . it seems a bit familiar. then maybe i should go have a comfy time out in my corner.  :oops:

oh yeah . didn't kenny testify to michael saying something about equipment would be arriving the next day for the illusion?

u mean this face??

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 06:14:22 PM
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guys. please forgive me i know we are supposed to be focused on the paramedics but. that middle picture caught my eye. could someone who has proper equipment or experties look at it a little closer. in the reflection of the glass i see a face . it seems a bit familiar. then maybe i should go have a comfy time out in my corner.  :oops:

oh yeah . didn't kenny testify to michael saying something about equipment would be arriving the next day for the illusion?

u mean this face??

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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 06:34:51 PM
Maybe there was no ambulance before June 25th MJ could of simply used the real photo (the one on June 25th) and then taken pictures for the outside and put those two together. Since there was two days (that day and the other day) that would mean the paramedics weren't in on the hoax. Because just say they were in on the hoax then there would be no point to have 2 seperate days to produce the photo. But what I also don't know is why MJ used two seperate days couldn't he just do it on one day?

Also what is the point in having a fake photo?, is it to get to the non believers, if so couldn't MJ just simply photoshop it like any other person would, instead of having to go through all that trouble,or does MJ like to make things a little more complicated then it should be?
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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
if real paramedics made a real call that day, then was it not for a real person? i have this feeling that the thing about the dead homeless person at the courthouse is connected in some way.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI March 9
March 09, 2011, 10:09:42 PM
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Thanks for the new information TS.

There had to be a real ambulance at Carolwood Dve, to help start the illusion....

Yes, if you mean on 6-25-09.  However, my statement was referring to a staged photo before 6-25-09.  Here is my statement again: "For example: if the ambulance photo was staged before 6-25-09, why bother bringing the ambulance to Carolwood Drive [before 6-25-09]—just to take a photo of things inside the ambulance?"

I haven't read all 3 pages yet, so this theory could have been written before. Here is my theory regarding to the ambulance issue. An ambulance that looks like the real ambulance came to a studio or Michael's house before 6-25-09. There were actors to play paramedics. And the pictures were taken on that day. And the ambulance went to the hospital with Michael inside on that day as well where we had these photos of him getting into the hospital sitting on the stretcher.



And on 6-25-2009 a real ambulance came to MJ's house with real paramedics and they found an old Asian looking man, probably who died hours ago and tried to survive him. And that is the reason why the paramedics said the patient didn't look like Michael. I still believe a dead body was used on 6-25 because of the paramedics' comments about the patient and how MJ's room was kept warm in the middle of summer. And the paramedics who are in court are also the real paramedics who went MJ's house on 6-25. I do not know if they said anything related how the patient looked like on that day in their testimony but probably they thought that MJ was so sick and fragile and that was the reason why he looked like an old guy. Michael can be the most famous person in this world but he wasn't in front of the cameras for some time and not everyone is his fans to follow and catch up what he looks like recently.

Michael had to use a fake ambulance to make fake photos because you could never know if someone (who has an agreement like Ben or some random people who were there) can take a nice shot of inside of the ambulance when the ambulance is moving. The scene needed to look real on 6-25 and there had to be witnesses that an ambulance was there on that day. And the ambulance was slow, without the sirens but still it couldn't stop and wait there for people to get nice shots through tinted windows.

So I believe that is the reason why Michael staged an ambulance scene before the real one on 6-25. And he used photoshop and changed his face, added some extra clues for us to understand the ambo pic is fake. BUT it couldn't be too fake to make everyone understand that it is fake. Until the statement came from Brian Oxman due to fake ambulance picture, people(non-believers) were still considering it as a real picture.

Probably Ben was called on the staged ambo day and on the real ambo day, to take the pictures on the staged ambo day and to be there on 6-25 to talk and make a statement like he was the one who took the ambo pictures. Do we even see this guy around the ambulance or his friend what ever he looks like on 6-25? And why that guy who took the picture doesn't talk but Ben does? To make a "goof" like "... on that day and the other d... umm"?
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