TIAI March 9

[SoldierofLOVE]

I appreciate all posts of any length. I am here to learn and share. TS has had many long posts that I have found quite useful.   Feel free to skip or skim long posts if you don't have time to read them.  Members should be able to post what they feel the need to and not be restricted by an individual's preferences.

[GINAFELICIA]

Good to see you back TS.  

Is the objection this one?

Kristina4LOVE has said: "The problem that i have with FBI is that they are by far not the almighty law enforcement. Here is why:
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Yes I think this is the objection.
I don't know very much about who controls who in a country but in theory every public institution, no matter is the government , the parliament, agencies or even secret services must be under the control of another public institution.

But as I don't trust things in reality go like in theory, I would go further and say this institutional system is for the masses to believe that there is a law and an order.
In my opinion this is just the facade, the part that is destined for the masses to see and believe.
Who really controls ALL the systems is not for us to know. Well, I'm really a believer of what they say that it's not important who votes, but who counts the votes.

and that how I connect Michael with the powers who stay in the shadow  :mrgreen:  whoever they might be, I have no idea.

[GINAFELICIA]

I appreciate all posts of any length. I am here to learn and share. TS has had many long posts that I have found quite useful.   Feel free to skip or skim long posts if you don't have time to read them.  Members should be able to post what they feel the need to and not be restricted by an individual's preferences.

I didn't say I don't appreciate all the posts, it's just it would be very useful if people could sum up the essential. It's really frustrating when I don't have time to read them all.

[MJonmind]

SoldierofLOVE
One question or even hypothesis I have from reading this information is whether Michael was assisted by the FBI in one way, but restricted by them in another. The information about Walt Disney is instructive pertaining to this. I never forget Michael's Killer Thriller speech when he says, "they didn't know I would outthink them? Who is "them". I would like to see if it's possible to identify whether FBI is friend, foe or both.

In Elvis' case the FBI became friend, but like Michael, with such expansive and spiritual ways of viewing the world and Michael's concern to protect and empower humanity, would the Bureau have been pleased or concerned with Michael's global influence? I believe this would be an issue of what they consider national security.

On “the FBI activities in Hollywood"
Finally, no single celebrity filled the government with more fear than did ex-Beatle John Lennon. Lennon's popularity, and hence his ability to influence popular opinion, coupled with his strong anti-war stance, made him a real threat in the event the United States decided it had to go to war. For this reason, Lennon was one of the most watched celebrities, and according to Lennon's youngest son, the victim of a government assassination plot.

I remember every movie I watched growing up always portrayed the FBI as good and the ultimate protection of citizens. It was engrained in us. That alone makes me suspicious now --propaganda. I know when TS first suggested that the FBI was involved in the hoax, my first reaction was that I connected the FBI with big government, the CIA which especially after 911, I also connect to Israel, the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati and TPTB with a non-benevolent agenda.

This article almost makes it seem that the killer of Lennon may be connected with the FBI, I'm thinking as a mind-controlled assassin like a manchurian candidate. My past reading has led me to connect evil with the CIA, but I never read FBI mentioned until this.

I agree with you SoldierofLOVE, that it is unsure whether the FBI is friend or foe to Michael, and whether he is using them or they are using him. Perhaps that is also why this hoax is delicate, and the family had to be so insistent that MJ was dead and murdered in a conspiracy with higher power groups than just Murray.

Thanks for all the pertinent info everyone! Very interesting!

[MJhasSpoken]

Kristina4LOVE has said: "The problem that i have with FBI is that they are by far not the almighty law enforcement. Here is why:
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In my personal opinion they might make is seem that way...for example J Edgar he was the director for the FBI and he went beyond FBI jurisdiction.
Here is a quote from (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)

Presidents Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson each considered dismissing Hoover as FBI Director, but all of them ultimately concluded that the political cost of doing so would be too great.

What I'm trying to say is the FBI itself might not have the power of authority but certain people within the FBI do...those with political connections etc...if MJ had connection with someone high up in the FBI a lot of things would be possible.


On a side note...it's nice to have you back TS

[RK]

SoldierofLOVE
One question or even hypothesis I have from reading this information is whether Michael was assisted by the FBI in one way, but restricted by them in another. The information about Walt Disney is instructive pertaining to this. I never forget Michael's Killer Thriller speech when he says, "they didn't know I would outthink them? Who is "them". I would like to see if it's possible to identify whether FBI is friend, foe or both.

In Elvis' case the FBI became friend, but like Michael, with such expansive and spiritual ways of viewing the world and Michael's concern to protect and empower humanity, would the Bureau have been pleased or concerned with Michael's global influence? I believe this would be an issue of what they consider national security.

On “the FBI activities in Hollywood"
Finally, no single celebrity filled the government with more fear than did ex-Beatle John Lennon. Lennon's popularity, and hence his ability to influence popular opinion, coupled with his strong anti-war stance, made him a real threat in the event the United States decided it had to go to war. For this reason, Lennon was one of the most watched celebrities, and according to Lennon's youngest son, the victim of a government assassination plot.

I remember every movie I watched growing up always portrayed the FBI as good and the ultimate protection of citizens. It was engrained in us. That alone makes me suspicious now --propaganda. I know when TS first suggested that the FBI was involved in the hoax, my first reaction was that I connected the FBI with big government, the CIA which especially after 911, I also connect to Israel, the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati and TPTB with a non-benevolent agenda.

This article almost makes it seem that the killer of Lennon may be connected with the FBI, I'm thinking as a mind-controlled assassin like a manchurian candidate. My past reading has led me to connect evil with the CIA, but I never read FBI mentioned until this.

I agree with you SoldierofLOVE, that it is unsure whether the FBI is friend or foe to Michael, and whether he is using them or they are using him. Perhaps that is also why this hoax is delicate, and the family had to be so insistent that MJ was dead and murdered in a conspiracy with higher power groups than just Murray.

Thanks for all the pertinent info everyone! Very interesting!

Chapman was ex-military, so it wouldn't seem too out there to think that way. I do.

[~Souza~]

Now we're waiting for TS to BAM?!? :lol: Hope everything is fine with TS though. It would be great if he could inform us about what's going on with him, at least if he's ok or not.

BAM!   :lol:

Sorry I have been away for a couple of weeks, but things are a little better now.  However, I still won't be here every day; probably only once or twice a week.

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LMAO, we had a BAM! I can die in peace now :lol: Good to have you back TS, looks like we can get back on topic!

I think the biggest problem is that most of the people on here do not know what the FBI is capable of, and we can only assume what is going on behind closed doors. My assumption is that a team is investigating very high profile people, which makes me think they do not report what they have to report. I also can't seem to find the guidelines of a sting operation. I know it has to approved, I came that far, but I did not find anything about reporting to the President or now to the Director of National Intelligence. I can imagine, when looking at previous operations, that not everything is reported as long as the investigation is on-going. There has been a major sting operation against congress, I think they kept that pretty secret as well. And what if they would have a sting operation against the FBI director for example? In that case I think the team should be able to keep him out. I am not saying there is an investigation against the FBI director, not at all, I am just pointing out that the FBI has ways to go around the system. Otherwise an FBI Director would be untouchable. I hope I explained that in an understandable way.


We also don't know when this started. I did see two things that might be interesting. Freeh, the previous director of FBI, acquired Italian citizenship in october 2009 and the term of the present director of FBI, Mueller, ends on July 5, 2011. Might not have anything to do with all this, but I thought it was interesting nevertheless. Freeh was the lead prosecutor in the Pizza connection case in the 80's, where many  Sicilian organized crime members were put behind bars, so Italy seems like a strange choice to me. Mueller's religion is Episcopalian, which means he is against slavery and racism and pro equal rights. That is at least what I read on Wiki about this religion, I am not familiar with it.

Point is, I think a lot can be done by the FBI and I think they are pretty able to keep things in the closet, but that's really just assumption because I have too little knowledge about the FBI and stings.

Was that your point TS?


Here is an article about the sting against members of congress:

Abscam – The FBI Sting Operation Against Congress

ABSCAM was the codename given to an FBI sting operation in 1980. The operation was an investigation into several senators and corruption in Congress.

Two FBI agents posed as fictitious sheiks who would attempt, and succeed in bribing several members of Congress to protect investments and to unlawfully assist in immigration efforts. The whole operation spanned almost two years and had a final bill of almost $800,000.

First Sting Operation

The first of the two FBI agents central to the sting operation played Sheik Kambir Abdul Rahman and was responsible for bribing several members of Congress.

First up was Sen. Angelo Errichetti. ‘Rahman’ was able to bribe him with $400,000 in exchange for protecting the Sheik’s supposed investments in a Camden sea port and an Atlantic City casino.

The above sting would eventually lead to Sen. Harrison Williams being listed as a potential corrupt politician after his dealings with Errichetti. He was also targeted in a sting operation and was filmed accepting vast quantities of cash as well.

Both of these operations were conducted on a large yacht acquired by the FBI. It was kitted out with cameras and bugs to pick up the meetings, which would eventually be used as evidence during the ensuing prosecutions.
 

Second Sting Operation

The second operation would result in several members of congress being filmed accepting bribes in return for helping sheik Yasser Habib (the second undercover FBI agent) to gain a green card so he could live permanently in the US.

Each individual operation was almost identical. The FBI had acquired a house which would act as the sheik’s residence. They thoroughly bugged the house and had hidden cameras to capture the meetings.

Several members of Congress would then meet with the undercover FBI agent and accept bribes in return for influencing his green card application.

The camera technology was not very advanced at the time and needed huge amounts of light in order to be effective. Luckily, the FBI passed this off with a cover story that the ‘sheik’ liked plenty of lights overhead to remind him of the desert sun of his home country.

The senators who were caught in this phase of the sting, all from the Republican party, were:

●   Rep. Frank Thompson
●   Rep. Raymond Lederer
●   Rep. Michael Myers
●   Rep. John Murphy
●   Rep. John W. Jenrette
●   Rep. Richard Kelly

Each of them accepted various amounts of money and down payments in exchange for favors.

Sting Operation Turns Up a Hero

However, one person, Senator Murtha, who the FBI thought was corrupt turned out to be the opposite. He was led to the house upon the promise of a political donation. When the sheik said he didn’t know what such a donation entailed but wanted to give him money anyway, the senator backed out.

When the prosecutions came to light, the senator was reported to have said “I find it somewhat repulsive that I’m on tape, but now I’m called a hero. It’s a sad state of affairs when it’s heroic to turn down a potential bribery situation.”

The investigation was brought to an end in February of 1980 when various media outlets caught wind of it and decided to run with the story.

Eventually, seven of those politicians under investigation would be given prison sentences ranging from one to five years. They were also fined between $10,000 – $50,000 each.

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[paula-c]

~Souza~ wrote:

LMAO, we had a BAM! I can die in peace now Goodto have you back TS, looks like we can get back on topic!

I have to laugh with this <!-- s:lol: --> :lol: <!-- s:lol: -->

[paula-c]

Souza wrote: I also can't seem to find the guidelines of a sting operation. I know it has to approved, I came that far, but I did not find anything about reporting to the President or now to the Director of National Intelligence.

Now that you say it, i remember a video that public TMZ of Jermaine in Washington, what he said in the video if i am not mistaken is that he was going to "talk with the president " to make a statue to Michael

[mjj4ever777]

Dear applehead sending you hugs I really can imagine how you feel it must be too much for you to handle. i really think you should take time for yourself and your family I have sensed your breakdown coming in your last few posts. I hope for your brother to feel better soon...maybe talk to him and try to see what's wrong, sometimes it just takes that you share your feelings with someone to feel better (like you did just now   ) Michael knows you love him don't feel guilty of anything and don't apologize because WE LOVE YOU TOO and love is without condition (hugs).

Hello applehead...I agree with Sarahli, you really do need to take some time for yourself and your family! No one on here should be "neglecting" their family life, or losing sleep, or letting this hoax effect them to this degree! We all need to remember that our own lives are the only lives we have control over and if your personal life is suffering in any way, you really need to take a step back and re-examine what is really important...YOU!! I'm sure Michael would want you to look after yourself first and foremost, (although I am not claiming I know what Michael wants)the hoax will continue on it's path, even though we may to take breaks from time to time. So go and take some time for yourself and your family and know that we all love you, and I personally will be praying for you and your family! I'm so sorry you are having some issues, but think positive and know that everything will work out in the end... and it will!

I'm sending you some very positive energy applehead! Keep your chin up and know that you are Loved! Blessings and light to you also dear friend! I Love you! God Bless!! <3

[GINAFELICIA]

Hello GINAFELICIA!!!
Believe me that I know what you mean.I neglected my family also and after 2 years I've started to have big problems with my eyes.My job is with computes also ,so can you imagine  <!-- s:( --> <!-- s:( --> .I like very much this adventure but like ITS HER said family comes first.Also don't forget what Latoya said in 2009:for Michael family is first then the second are the fans,so for me it's prettey clear.Because of the ecomonic crise ,on my country alot of people are loosing their jobs,and soon I think I will loose mine  <!-- s:cry: --> :cry: <!-- s:cry: --> ,so this means I will have to leave this site and the HOAX also.My brother has emotional problems or a depresion and he is drinking also  <!-- s:cry: --> :cry: <!-- s:cry: --> .He was in England to work and now he is back .I have to put my life in order and try to help him ,together with my mother.
I would like so much to spent more time here ,because I discovered so many things about this hoax but my time is limited now .I have so many things to share with you my friends ,but like I said my family is first.Michael is very special for me,like for all of us,because of him I can go on in this life,and his music is like a medicine for me .
I APOLOGISE AND PLEASE TRY TO FORGIVE ME FOR THIS CONFESSION HERE ON THIS TOPIC, BUT I HAD TO DO THIS.You,My MJ FAMILY are the ony ones who I can tell this,because I feel I'm loosing my mind  <!-- s:cry: --> :cry: <!-- s:cry: --> .
Again I apologise.BYE

IT'S ALL FOR LOVE!!!

I know what you mean, it's a mess here where we live, the financial crises didn't reach its low, people still lose their jobs and we all are in danger, financially speaking .
Please don't worry, there's a little left of the worst, no depression lasts forever.
I don't know how "crippled" we'll be after it, in the meantime we have to survive and better days will come I hope.
My job also keeps me in front of the computer 9-10 hours a day, it's not healty, I know. We must find time to go to the gym or to take a walk or something.
I think nothing very important will happen till the trial so maybe we should do what TS is doing: being here once a week.

[MJonmind]

I'm wondering now if TS will entirely stop posting in this thread and let it fizzle out, but it does appear that he reads generally and takes excerps from all over. I don't know how he has the time to do all that reading (maybe speed reader and photographic memory) 8-) . But if you're reading TS, I so much appreciate you being here (not only brilliant but kind to us in our attempts, and funny :mrgreen: ) and have come to really trust your indepth knowledge of Michael's situation and heart. We're all afraid of being duped by super-clever trolls. Every now and then attempts by some try to find your achilles' heel but you have survived them all and seem to be only warming up for the spectacular show that's building before our eyes. I'm so glad you're here!

if the fbi is involved then what ever is goin on might be international. notice the phrase that is constantly repeated  "all over the world" by joe and michael himself many times. just a thought

Don't forget Akon's quote,

Akon told MTV News that it was an incredible privilege to work with the King of Pop. He said: "Just to be in the same room [with him], I felt everything I wanted to accomplish in life has been achieved. That aura... that's how incredible that aura is. We about to shake the world up, man. You know how you be with somebody and you can't even explain [the feeling]? I used to sit and think, 'How does somebody sell so many records and dominate a whole business genre to a point [where] nobody can't be a part of that without associating with you?' The way he thinks - some artists think regional, some think national, I was thinking international. He thinks planets. It's on another level."

Just thinking about the discussion on Arnold Schwarzennegger and an article I just read in my current issue of (Can) Macleans.

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The Governator lives on
He’s no longer California governor, but Arnold Schwarzenegger seems to be everywhere these days

by Jane Switzer on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:22pm - 0 Comments

When Arnold Schwarzenegger stepped down as governor of California in January after nearly eight years in office, he made Hollywood a promise: he’ll be back. Now, the actor-turned-politician is teaming up with Marvel Comics legend Stan Lee to create The Governator, a children’s comic book and television series featuring Schwarzenegger’s crime-fighting alter ego. The Governator will battle the evil G.I.R.L.I.E. Men (Gangsters, Imposters, Racketeers, Liars and Irredeemable Ex-cons) with the help of a uniquely talented teenage quartet, including Zeke Muckerberg, a 13-year-old computer genius inspired by Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg.

Political pundits first nicknamed Schwarzenegger “the Governator”—a play on his popular Terminator movies—when he ran for office in 2003. Though sometimes used negatively by critics, Schwarzenegger told Entertainment Weekly he’s fond of the moniker: “When I ran for governor back in 2003 and I started hearing people talking about ‘the Governator,’ I thought the word was so cool,” he says. “The word ‘Governator’ combined two worlds: the world of politics and the movie world. And [the comic] brings everything together.”

Since leaving the governor’s Sacramento mansion, Schwarzenegger has maintained a presence on the international political scene. While en route to Cannes last week, the long-time Republican met with British Prime Minister David Cameron and addressed Conservative MPs before attending former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s star-studded 80th birthday party at Royal Albert Hall.
Schwarzenegger also used his most recent U.K. trip to make amends with London Mayor Boris Johnson. The pair had a falling out in 2007 when Schwarzenegger was heard whispering to his aides about Johnson “fumbling all over the place” as he waited to address a Tory conference via video link. The clip went viral; Johnson dismissed Schwarzenegger as a “monosyllabic Austrian cyborg.” Now, Schwarzenegger and Johnson discussed teaming up for a promotional campaign aimed at boosting sports participation leading up to the 2012 Olympics. The two also took a lunchtime bike ride to promote Barclays Cycle Hire, a bicycle sharing scheme informally known as “Boris bikes.”

The environment continues to be a passion for Schwarzenegger, who won praise for his efforts to reduce California’s carbon emissions during his time as governor. Though critics chastised him for lacking a coherent economic plan and failing to address the state’s housing crisis, he pushed through two bills creating the first U.S. cap on greenhouse gas emissions as part of a plan to reduce California’s emissions by 25 per cent by 2020.

With several fresh scripts on his desk, Schwarzenegger told the Financial Times he’s also ready to develop a number of entertainment projects: “At the same time, I will continue doing policy stuff, environmental stuff, trying to move the U.S. to an energy policy for the future,” he said, denying the desire to trade his new-found superhero status for a mundanely mortal desk job. “I’m not interested in a job in Washington… but I’m more than happy to help.”

[Lemonbread904]

Guys, I just wanted to know if anyone heard of INTERPOL. Another thing that I want to know is this. If teh FBI kept files on Michael Jackson, would they not keep files on the people that he knows personally , ie Elizabeth Taylor. Did she not at one point dated a Sheik? You want is so interesting is that in the begininng of this whole scenario of june 2009, they had many of the major depts involved especially the DEA. It was talked about briefly about the abuse of prescription drugs and about putting specific drugs on the Control Substance List.  That story died down pretty quick. Someone or Somebodies or rather many bodies are making money off of the Celebrities in Hollywood. We all have to remember that Michael internationally known. He knows people in very high places around the world. At any point of time they will be willing to lend a helping hand. I may not said it before but many people consider Michael a very powerful person and are very frighten of him.  Michael has a greater pull on the entire humna population that any person in the world. It does not matter what country or who the leader is of that country. The FBI thought Mr. Lennon was very powerful,that was until Mr. Michael Jackson came along and now it is a whole new playing field.  The difference between Michael and Mr. Lennon is that Michael has a lot of international influential friends.

[paula-c]

... And have seen this video, look at the bodyguards yeesssssss,
! All went well!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpvJI33Vn8[/youtube]

[Kristina4LOVE]

... And have seen this video, look at the bodyguards yeesssssss,
! All went well!! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMpvJI33Vn8[/youtube]

Wow i've never seen this video before <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> How did they get this shot of bodyguards??