[mumof3]

I know its old ground and we have talked about it all so much but this makes you think yet again what they did and how they made one or two mistakes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuC-Q--u ... e=youtu.be

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[loyalfan]

THIS HAS MADE MY DAY..THANKYOU ...SEE WE ARE NOT MAD...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[trustno1]

Thanks for posting, we've been talking about all this for ages but when someone like the guy in this video explains it the way he does with the vids switching back and forth it makes it all the more obvious, I wish all the non-beLIEvers could see videos like this and give their explanantion, they'd have to have pretty vivid imaginations to come up with one!

[fordtocarr]

OMG...chills and tears :))))))  this is FANTASTIC!!!!!  How can anyone deny it now???  BeLIEve???  FACTS.
Now just questions and wait...

[loyalfan]

i have put this on my f/book...............if we all do it then loads more people will see ..................xxx

[DancingTheDream]

I can explain the building at the back of the chairs illusion.

FL is on a STEEP HILL and the road by Holly Terrace is very steep and sweeps to the right.  Therefore, the perception of shots from the ground will look very different from shots from the air.
The building you see from the shots on the ground is actually the archway that the bus came under.  Yes, the road is long and it looks closer in the photograph, but that is because of the steep incline of the road.

I was shocked when i went to FL and saw this myself.  I cant really explain to you just how steep this hill is.  I still havent figured out how the people sat on the chairs on that road, as it is very steep.

Remember when Prince got out of the vehicle and stumbled?  People speculated it was because he was sleepy.  It wasnt..  he stumbled because of how steep the hill is.

[angelshadow]

Really good Video!!! ;)

[DancingTheDream]

Its a good video, but i ask we all look objectively. x

Think about perspective. xx

Thanks for posting

[Heartbreaker]

Thanks for posting, it`s really a good Video!!!  ;)

[mumof3]

Sadly two people have told me they have been there and it the slope that make it look different  sorry

[DancingTheDream]

Sadly two people have told me they have been there and it the slope that make it look different  sorry

Yes, it really is interesting how the ariel shot can look so different - as you cannot see the hills from the air. xxx

[tonydub]

I can explain the building at the back of the chairs illusion.

FL is on a STEEP HILL and the road by Holly Terrace is very steep and sweeps to the right.  Therefore, the perception of shots from the ground will look very different from shots from the air.
The building you see from the shots on the ground is actually the archway that the bus came under.  Yes, the road is long and it looks closer in the photograph, but that is because of the steep incline of the road.

I was shocked when i went to FL and saw this myself.  I cant really explain to you just how steep this hill is.  I still havent figured out how the people sat on the chairs on that road, as it is very steep.

Remember when Prince got out of the vehicle and stumbled?  People speculated it was because he was sleepy.  It wasnt..  he stumbled because of how steep the hill is.

Exactly.
I was going to post that the only thing this video taught me was that the creator has no idea about perspectives in film.  The angles make things seem different than they are.
I've seen my neighborhood and my place of work from the air many times and they look completely different than when you are down at level.  Add in the fact that video equipment squeezes everything down to 2 dimensions, it can play tricks on the eyes.

[steffymjlove]

Thanks for posting, we've been talking about all this for ages but when someone like the guy in this video explains it the way he does with the vids switching back and forth it makes it all the more obvious, I wish all the non-beLIEvers could see videos like this and give their explanantion, they'd have to have pretty vivid imaginations to come up with one!

I agree a million percent! It gives us hope :)

[MJonmind]

So DancingTheDream, are you totally ruling out greenscreen for the funeral, or is it still a possibility because you say the road where they all sit is too steep an incline for that?  Also telephoto lens always made further away objects appear closer which would account for the 3-way in the road and the overpass structure, compressing the distance.

[DancingTheDream]

So DancingTheDream, are you totally ruling out greenscreen for the funeral, or is it still a possibility because you say the road where they all sit is too steep an incline for that?  Also telephoto lens always made further away objects appear closer which would account for the 3-way in the road and the overpass structure, compressing the distance.

I dont think it was green-screened.  I think they were really there.

I am puzzled as to how they all sat on those chairs, as the hill is very steep and the chairs would be at an uncomfortable angle.   :?

[Tink.I.Am]

thanks for posting.
I do believe that the funeral wasn't a real funeral. However I think all of it was taped at  FL and on in a studio set.
The "illusion" that the background changes is due to changes in the landscape, FL is in a very hilly area. The fact that this man is pointing out, that  at one point in  the vide  the  T-crossing  looks as to be jsut a few feet away, but in another shot you can see its much further away.... well thats because  its a steep edge  just where the cars pull up. Due to this you cant see all of the land from where the photographer stands, ( on top of the stairs of holly terrace)

[2MuchMJLuv]

Excellent points made in the vid.  I'm anxious to take a trip to FL just to get a feel for the steep hills and such, but I'm still having a hard time believing that the building wasn't a backdrop and the conflict with the fork in the road. If the camera was deceiving the eye, wouldn't it have been blurry as opposed to a phacade in plain view?   :?

[trustno1]

No matter how many times I see the footage the background just doesn't seem to "sit" right against the foreground, I thought the same about Oprah's most recent interview with LMP, the view outside the window when the camera panned round just didn't look right.  Even if and it's a huge IF the road being further away in this guy's video is caused by an optical illusion (and I don't think it is), that doesn't explain the disappearing tree, remember that?! I'd love a camera crew to go in there, set things up exactly as they were that day with the chairs etc and then film.  We'd then know for sure if the steep incline in fact exists and what the backsround looks like in comparison to the foreground.  I don't think the two pieces of footage would match.  The differences between the aerial footage and still pictures compared to what we saw on TV are many, and what about the building that disappeared?  Where'd that go?  To my mind a perfectionist such as MJ would have made sure there were no discrepancies, unless we were MEANT to notice them.  It wasn't a perfect match because then we'd never question.

[steffymjlove]

No matter how many times I see the footage the background just doesn't seem to "sit" right against the foreground, I thought the same about Oprah's most recent interview with LMP, the view outside the window when the camera panned round just didn't look right.  Even if and it's a huge IF the road being further away in this guy's video is caused by an optical illusion (and I don't think it is), that doesn't explain the disappearing tree, remember that?! I'd love a camera crew to go in there, set things up exactly as they were that day with the chairs etc and then film.  We'd then know for sure if the steep incline in fact exists and what the backsround looks like in comparison to the foreground.  I don't think the two pieces of footage would match.  The differences between the aerial footage and still pictures compared to what we saw on TV are many, and what about the building that disappeared?  Where'd that go?  To my mind a perfectionist such as MJ would have made sure there were no discrepancies, unless we were MEANT to notice them.  It wasn't a perfect match because then we'd never question.

Thank you.

[mumof3]

I am always confused by the disappearing tree glad I am not the only one  but maybe there is a logical answer I just don't know

[Loes]

Dancingthedream has good points, but still I see so much that doesn't make sense.
For me the building and the lamp are 2 things that bother me the most.

[DancingTheDream]

Ok.

Watch the video on this link:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... ocent.html

I know its about Conrad Murray.

At 0:55 they show the funeral scene from a camera shot on the ground.  It pans out from the flowers at the back and you can clearly see the road behind and the steep hill and the sweep to the right of the road.   See???   There is your proof that the cameras from the ground show there is no building directly behind the flower trees.
Its an optical illusion caused by 2D camera view - the building is not directly behind and this proofs it for you.

I hope this shot on this video can proof to people that this was not green-screened.

[MadneZ]

I have to say the thing that made me first belive he faked his death. and remember this, I have only started watching his interviews these past 2 weeks, starting listening to his music. (kinda obsessed at the moment haha) well, I came across the mamorial tvideo 3 days ago, thinkingI am just gonna watch this hoax stuff for fun.

Well, first off, everything felt FAKE! i would be sad, devestaded, crying, hugging people and so on.

Second. I saw the man in the fedora hat.
My heart stopped when I saw him.
The  they showed him waving to someone, and my heart sank, then he hugged a woman, and my jaw dropped!!!
I am not kidding, I was right away, THAT IS F*ING MJ no doubt!!! He moved, waved and hugged as MJ does!

It kinda freaked me out.

I was sold to him faking his death, but I want to remind that I am still 50/50 on this hehe.

Then I started watching the memorial set more closer and yeah, the background is even more fake than the acting!

Now, I belive MJ was the fedora man in the memorial. But at the funeral or the place where they sang and all that, he could easilöy been the blond woman.

Why take a chance and go as the same "person" on both events... nope ehh...

But everytime I see that man in the fedora hat on the memorial I just feel love. And that for me is a fact that it is Michael!

I hope he will return and show the media and people how easily it is to be fooled and manipulated by the media!

[MJonmind]

MadneZ
But everytime I see that man in the fedora hat on the memorial I just feel love. And that for me is a fact that it is Michael!

Welcome here!  First impressions are often accurate. I'm beginning to think also that hatman at the funeral is MJ. Every place (many) in this whole hoax where MJ has been in disguise, the camera has panned ever so briefly on him for hoaxers with quick hawk eyes can catch it. Remember MJ said that we see what he wants us to see, when he wants us to see it. There is no other person there at the funeral who (from all the discussion) could by MJ. There was talk that DD was there, since we have pics of him in the car on his way from LKL studio to the funeral, but we don't actually see him there. This hatman is dressed and disguised quite different from the one at the Memorial, where we've already established that MJ was the blond lady (at least for me). Then there's the fact that this hatman is wearing the same paisley tie that Murray is pictured wearing and TMZ made a big deal how ugly it was-- MJ clearly represents Murray in this whole hoax (or is him). Hatman is the only one there talking the whole time on his cellphone, and so if he's MJ, obviously he needs to be directing. The old man dancer in HT (apparantly John Edwards) is also the only one talking on his cell-phone the whole time in that scene--another mysterious character who keeps showing up in our view.

[MadneZ]

Oh man I still can't belive how fake the funeral was, I just keep watching it, amazed how fake but still... Did they maybe want us to understand it?

I noticed also in the helicopter view you can see spots on the grass, like stone spots or lighter grass spots. All over the whole grass. BUT in the close up video(the fake) they are nowhere to be found, only very nice green thick grass. And where does all of those smaller trees come from, because from the helicopter view I can't see any small trees, not that many all over...

Seriously... It feels as if it is some kind of joke, anyone who takes a close look see this (we do).

But could this just be a rehersal?

If so, it doesn't make sence to have a complete set with cars, road and green screen. That is just to much for a rehersal (and money).

And 4 minutes and 38 sec in the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8 the tree behind the man standing by the car LMAO is crooked! that thing loox funny! And yes the camera is in a specific angle but look at all the other trees!

And in the helicopter view you can see some of the people/dancers stand on the actual lawn/grass.
But on the fake video I havent yet spottet one person standing on the grass only up on the (cant find the word for it) edge of the sidewalk... But never touching the "grass". Correct me if I am wrong.

And now I just think I spottet something interesting. Cr'p It is 1 am here now and I need to sleep but I must do this, I spottet something in the fake video. Might be something maybe nothing.