March 24, 2011: Jury Selection for Murray Trial Starts

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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 10, 2011, 03:44:54 PM
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what's up with the "believer, soldier etc." under our avatars? I know it's no big deal but I'd prefer to not have a label and why do you believe these are necessary?

It's to bring some color to the forum and not to 'label' anyone. But if it's an issue for you I can delete yours if you like.

yeah that would be nice, since I don't consider myself a believer but if it's complicated just leave it. Thanks for listening  ;)

Then....no offense...but why are you here? This is after all a HOAX forum. We believe MJ hoax his dead and it's alive dear. We welcome non-believers too! Have a lovely day!  :D

I don't think everyone on this forum believes Michael hoaxed his death but they're keeping their minds open. I also think the term "belLIEver" has gotten out of hand, just because you believe something won't make it the truth. You know, I don't consider the urge to find out what happened to Michael as some kind of religion. I hope this is an satisfying answer to you? I don't mind others being believers that's all up to every individual but let's not forget the aim.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 10, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
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Doesn't the fact there'll actually be a trial make you question things? Every date can be connected to a random historical event so I don't get it...

Not being difficult or anything but isn't there anyone that thinks about what a real life trial actually involves? i'm curious...

Are you kidding me? :lol: This courtroom looks more like a kindergarten to me with all the toys around. And you think the trial can be real? :lol:

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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 10, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
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Doesn't the fact there'll actually be a trial make you question things? Every date can be connected to a random historical event so I don't get it...

Not being difficult or anything but isn't there anyone that thinks about what a real life trial actually involves? i'm curious...

I don't have much reason to believe that this Murray trial thing is real. I think it is staged.

Equal curiosity on my side, what makes you think the trial is real?

Well, what I do know is that in real life things don't end like they do in films, as much as we want them to. And who is actually capable of staging all of this?! It does involve too many elements to be controlled by ONE man. I know we've discussed the whole LAPD being involved, or Michael being under threat but do you really believe these things would be necessary if any of those options were the actual case, really?

Besides that reversed psychology thing could be applied on anything. "There's not enough evidence to prove Michael is dead and there's not enough evidence that proves he's alive", one might believe Hitler killed himself (which is what our history books tell us) or did he actually kill himself, enough proof? There's proof Jesus existed, or is there? You see what I'm getting at?

Also, Mo and Souza, what's up with the "believer, soldier etc." under our avatars? I know it's no big deal but I'd prefer to not have a label and why do you believe these are necessary?


I don't know what kind of "concrete" proof you are looking for to believe that Michael is alive but to me you can only be satisfied if you see Michael alive in flesh and bone, nothing else can. We have had hundreds of FACTS that prove he is alive and after 19 months you are still not sure.  And yes, the ONE and ONLY Man is pulling the strings of this hoax. Why underestimating Michael, his abilities and his power? I don't get it.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 10, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
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Doesn't the fact there'll actually be a trial make you question things? Every date can be connected to a random historical event so I don't get it...

Not being difficult or anything but isn't there anyone that thinks about what a real life trial actually involves? i'm curious...

I don't have much reason to believe that this Murray trial thing is real. I think it is staged.

Equal curiosity on my side, what makes you think the trial is real?

Well, what I do know is that in real life things don't end like they do in films, as much as we want them to. And who is actually capable of staging all of this?! It does involve too many elements to be controlled by ONE man. I know we've discussed the whole LAPD being involved, or Michael being under threat but do you really believe these things would be necessary if any of those options were the actual case, really?

Besides that reversed psychology thing could be applied on anything. "There's not enough evidence to prove Michael is dead and there's not enough evidence that proves he's alive", one might believe Hitler killed himself (which is what our history books tell us) or did he actually kill himself, enough proof? There's proof Jesus existed, or is there? You see what I'm getting at?

Also, Mo and Souza, what's up with the "believer, soldier etc." under our avatars? I know it's no big deal but I'd prefer to not have a label and why do you believe these are necessary?


I don't know what kind of "concrete" proof you are looking for to believe that Michael is alive but to me you can only be satisfied if you see Michael alive in flesh and bone, nothing else can. We have had hundreds of FACTS that prove he is alive and after 19 months you are still not sure.  And yes, the ONE and ONLY Man is pulling the strings of this hoax. Why underestimating Michael, his abilities and his power? I don't get it.


Just Jermaine slipping up that proves the Michael is alive. You don't need any more proof than that. Reiley said that Michael is alive. Need I continue. I understand you bec I have been to court to support my friend last month, and in the Canadian court, (Montreal) did not have any stuffed animals, we saw the Canadian flag, the lawyers, a stenographer the judge and the jury. Maybe this is not a movie, but it is not real. How can you have a trial when  Michael is alive?
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 10, 2011, 10:33:18 PM
Hey just noticed, we need to change this title to the new date, the 24th.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 11, 2011, 12:16:17 AM
So I looked up what else happened on March 24 in history and -


March 24, 1874   HARRY HOUDINI'S BIRTHDAY!
Harry Houdini was born in Budapest, Hungary, to a Jewish family. A copy of his birth certificate was found and published in The Houdini Birth Research Committee's Report. (1972). As to his birth date, from 1907 onwards, Houdini claimed in interviews to have been born in Appleton, Wisconsin, on April 6, 1874. He was really born on March 24, 1874.
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http://timelines.com/1874/3/24/harry-houdini-is-born


March 24, 1958 - Elvis Presley inducted into the U.S. Army -  The rock 'n roll star was drafted in 1953 but received two deferments before going to serve.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-happened-on-march-24.htm


This is also interesting...
March 24, 1949
The 21st Academy Awards features numerous firsts. It was the first time a non-Hollywood production won Best Picture, Hamlet. It was the first time an individual (Laurence Olivier) directed himself in an Oscar-winning performance. ;)
http://timelines.com/1949/3/24/21st-academy-awards
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 12, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
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Doesn't the fact there'll actually be a trial make you question things? Every date can be connected to a random historical event so I don't get it...

Not being difficult or anything but isn't there anyone that thinks about what a real life trial actually involves? i'm curious...

Are you kidding me? :lol: This courtroom looks more like a kindergarten to me with all the toys around. And you think the trial can be real? :lol:



The pic of the courtroom kills me.  Is it 'Toys 'R Us' court? LOL  This is totally Michael and his love of animals.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 12, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
I just noticed something that I think I should have picked it up much sooner!
Maybe another coincidence, but MJ mentioning 4 years in TII in his speech, and Murray's "maximum" conviction period is 4 years.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 05:26:36 AM
Agree with PureLove, we have had so many evidences of MJ being alive, what more do we need?the only thing that is left is MJ popping up in front of the media and announcing that he is alive. About the courtroom thing-it's really too hilarious, i have never seen a courtroom filled with so may toys, it's like a zoo or a kindergarten, this is really funny, it's all  Michael's style, what other proof do we need?
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
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Doesn't the fact there'll actually be a trial make you question things? Every date can be connected to a random historical event so I don't get it...

Not being difficult or anything but isn't there anyone that thinks about what a real life trial actually involves? i'm curious...

Are you kidding me? :lol: This courtroom looks more like a kindergarten to me with all the toys around. And you think the trial can be real? :lol:


Would it be very difficult to photoshop (i.e adding) those toys? Because I'm assuming those pics are from TMZ...
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 07:15:01 PM
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Would it be very difficult to photoshop (i.e adding) those toys? Because I'm assuming those pics are from TMZ...
They are in the video, too, so they cannot be photoshopped...
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/25/dr-conrad ... rial-case/
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 07:28:19 PM
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I don't know what kind of "concrete" proof you are looking for to believe that Michael is alive but to me you can only be satisfied if you see Michael alive in flesh and bone, nothing else can. We have had hundreds of FACTS that prove he is alive and after 19 months you are still not sure.  And yes, the ONE and ONLY Man is pulling the strings of this hoax. Why underestimating Michael, his abilities and his power? I don't get it.

Well yes, SEEING Michael alive (no fakes, no blurry pictures, just the REAL Michael) would convince me. I've never underestimated Michael's abilities but I'm just being realistic. However, I do question if this would even be possible but my main question is why? If Michael is indeed alive why would he want to hide? And, I've mentioned being under threat as not convincing enough. Neither is, the theory of him spreading some kind of message (he's been doing that his whole life, no need to hide for that), or the "Murray represents Michael -  theory" (way too complicated). Getting out of the show contract (maybe but I don't think you'de need to go to such extremes)? Then what other theories does that leave?

I think Michael seemed kind of satisfied the last years just spending time with his kids and doing his thing. Perhaps he missed the attention for his art and therefore decided on TII but he also said that he wanted to do it for his kids. So if this so called hoax has been planned for a while I just don't get it... I'd think he'd rather relax with his kids leading the life he was living before all the hoopla, than go off and hide and play some kind of elaborate game with people... but that's just my thoughts.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 07:37:30 PM
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Would it be very difficult to photoshop (i.e adding) those toys? Because I'm assuming those pics are from TMZ...
They are in the video, too, so they cannot be photoshopped...
http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/25/dr-conrad ... rial-case/

I didn't see all those toys in the video but if you've seen them I guess TMZ couldn't just place them there in there videos right?

Guys, I reallly do wish I had the mindset of a beLIEver because that clip made me want to cry and also strangle him! But I know that wouldn't do any good...  :cry:  :( I hope you're all right but for the sake of my heart and mind I'm still keeping my scepticism.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 08:35:44 PM
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I don't know what kind of "concrete" proof you are looking for to believe that Michael is alive but to me you can only be satisfied if you see Michael alive in flesh and bone, nothing else can. We have had hundreds of FACTS that prove he is alive and after 19 months you are still not sure.  And yes, the ONE and ONLY Man is pulling the strings of this hoax. Why underestimating Michael, his abilities and his power? I don't get it.

Well yes, SEEING Michael alive (no fakes, no blurry pictures, just the REAL Michael) would convince me.

How would you know it's the real Michael Jackson?

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I've never underestimated Michael's abilities but I'm just being realistic.

So are the rest of us. Please don't suggest that we aren't. We've spent (some of us) 19 months keeping it realistic. A theory is useless if it isn't realistic. And logical too.

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or the "Murray represents Michael -  theory" (way too complicated).  

Too complicated for you perhaps but this is Michael's hoax.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
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I didn't see all those toys in the video but if you've seen them I guess TMZ couldn't just place them there in there videos right?
There are hoax videos on youtube where the video is slowed down so everyone can see all the toys.

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Guys, I reallly do wish I had the mindset of a beLIEver
What kind of mindset does a believer have in your opinion?  :? I don't think there is something like a common mindset. There are many different people on this forum (and many different opinions, too - for example, many users think that Dave Dave was Michael, many don't), and I know many very intelligent people here that are very realistic and yet think that this is a hoax, so I don't really know what you mean.
There are so many clues, and maybe many of them could be explained as a simple coincidence, yes - but this huge AMOUNT of "coincidences"?
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 09:22:00 PM
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I don't know what kind of "concrete" proof you are looking for to believe that Michael is alive but to me you can only be satisfied if you see Michael alive in flesh and bone, nothing else can. We have had hundreds of FACTS that prove he is alive and after 19 months you are still not sure.  And yes, the ONE and ONLY Man is pulling the strings of this hoax. Why underestimating Michael, his abilities and his power? I don't get it.

Well yes, SEEING Michael alive (no fakes, no blurry pictures, just the REAL Michael) would convince me. I've never underestimated Michael's abilities but I'm just being realistic. However, I do question if this would even be possible but my main question is why? If Michael is indeed alive why would he want to hide? And, I've mentioned being under threat as not convincing enough. Neither is, the theory of him spreading some kind of message (he's been doing that his whole life, no need to hide for that), or the "Murray represents Michael -  theory" (way too complicated). Getting out of the show contract (maybe but I don't think you'de need to go to such extremes)? Then what other theories does that leave?

I think Michael seemed kind of satisfied the last years just spending time with his kids and doing his thing. Perhaps he missed the attention for his art and therefore decided on TII but he also said that he wanted to do it for his kids. So if this so called hoax has been planned for a while I just don't get it... I'd think he'd rather relax with his kids leading the life he was living before all the hoopla, than go off and hide and play some kind of elaborate game with people... but that's just my thoughts.

Sorry but you're definitely wasting your time here then. All of the facts were given and you missed them all or you saw a couple of them but you're in a denial to accept them. We're showing you the pictures and videos and you still refuse to believe their authenticity. It is so obvious that this place is not for you. I'm sure Justice4MJ group would love to welcome you.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 13, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
I agree with PureLove.

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for the sake of my heart and mind I'm still keeping my scepticism.

This I don't understand. I have to do the exact opposite. For the sake of my mind I can't live in denial and pretend this isn't a hoax. Sure would be easier to pretend it wasn't happening and go on with my life.

And if you want to bring up the more sentient side, I do not accept that Michael Jackson WAS a drug addict neglectful father, who made foolish, risky decisions, and hired a bad Doctor, and knowingly put his own life in danger, after living for a decade in massive debt due to lavish spending despite having 3 young children as a single parent, forcing him to agree to perform despite his poor physical health rather then simply release another album or DVD, which also indicates that he has no business sense either, nor any advisers with any business sense. Because if you think he's dead that's exactly what you accept is the truth about who he WAS. There is no middle ground.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 02:48:15 AM
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I agree with PureLove.

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for the sake of my heart and mind I'm still keeping my scepticism.

This I don't understand. I have to do the exact opposite. For the sake of my mind I can't live in denial and pretend this isn't a hoax. Sure would be easier to pretend it wasn't happening and go on with my life.

And if you want to bring up the more sentient side, I do not accept that Michael Jackson WAS a drug addict neglectful father, who made foolish, risky decisions, and hired a bad Doctor, and knowingly put his own life in danger, after living for a decade in massive debt due to lavish spending despite having 3 young children as a single parent, forcing him to agree to perform despite his poor physical health rather then simply release another album or DVD, which also indicates that he has no business sense either, nor any advisers with any business sense. Because if you think he's dead that's exactly what you accept is the truth about who he WAS. There is no middle ground.

Exactly Bec....I so agree with you on this. I personally do not believe that Michael was this gullible to let these
foolish things happen. That is why we must have the upmost faith that he is doing this for a greater purpose.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 03:05:20 AM
I'm a strong BeLIEver but there is one thing I do not beLIEve and that is the cats, bunnies, dogs and all of the animals in that court room. I think someone shopped them there for shi*s and giggles and to fire the hoax. THAT is the sort of crap I'm tired of. It's misleading as hell especially when we do not know who is planting it in the photos or we are not being told. It could be someone among us doing it or TMZ for the sake of getting their jollies for the day.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 04:42:39 AM
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I'm a strong BeLIEver but there is one thing I do not beLIEve and that is the cats, bunnies, dogs and all of the animals in that court room. I think someone shopped them there for shi*s and giggles and to fire the hoax. THAT is the sort of crap I'm tired of. It's misleading as hell especially when we do not know who is planting it in the photos or we are not being told. It could be someone among us doing it or TMZ for the sake of getting their jollies for the day.

I don't think they were photoshopped this time.  Twiggy from MJHoax live, was actually in the courtroom, reporting every detail, and even Twittered about it as the court was  in recess...

Recently, Lindsay Lohan was at the same courts as the first preliminary trials, with the same Judge, and he still had a yellow sunflower on his desk, and the same calender in the background......it may have been the LA Airport courts...this is the video:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national ... ot-guilty/
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 04:47:33 AM
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I think Michael seemed kind of satisfied the last years just spending time with his kids and doing his thing.

alovesmichael, I understand where you're coming from with your doubts and questions, sometimes it all seems too complicated for one mind to have devised, and for our minds to comprehend! But I sense you're viewing this through your eyes and what you would or wouldn't do. If you try to see things from MJ's viewpoint you may see things differently.

I believe you hit the nail on the head with your statement above, but maybe not in the way you intended it (if that makes sense!).

I wonder, what did you have in mind when you wrote 'doing his thing'?

In almost every interview he ever gave, MJ came over as driven by his need to be creative, whether that be in music, dance, film whatever. He was a perfectionist ever striving to learn and move things on, to be a pioneer and an innovator, to do things no-one had ever done before, to take things to another level. [Indeed, I believe this was fundamental to his relationship with God (which he also mentioned in almost every interview he ever gave)]. This, in my opinion, is 'his thing'. Genius creative minds don't just stop or retire. They can't.

So to go back to your statement, if 'he seemed satisfied these last years doing his thing', could you entertain the idea that maybe he was happy to be quietly finalising his plans for this biggest, most shocking, never done before production that we are in the middle of right now?

That scenario fits for me far better than the one Bec brilliantly outlined:

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........ that Michael Jackson WAS a drug addict neglectful father, who made foolish, risky decisions, and hired a bad Doctor, and knowingly put his own life in danger, after living for a decade in massive debt due to lavish spending despite having 3 young children as a single parent, forcing him to agree to perform despite his poor physical health rather then simply release another album or DVD, which also indicates that he has no business sense either, nor any advisers with any business sense.

(Bec, clearly I know you don't accept this, but for the sake of my post I cut out the bit at the beginning where you said that! Hope that's ok!)

The further I get into this hoax, the less I need 'clues' such as animals in court, tenuous TMZ articles or cryptic tweets from random people etc. to strengthen my belief. All I really need to do is to go back and look and hear what MJ himself has said and done - and then it's only a tiny step to believe he faked his death (as part of 'the best' that he promised was 'yet to come') rather than he died a pathetic, broken, drug-addicted has-been.

I hope you stick with us alovesmichael, I believe you're only a tiny step away!
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
Well thanks guys for taking your time to reflect on my doubts and thank you curls, I liked the "tone" of your reply  :)

I just want to explain that I've been on this forum for quite a while and that I've been through pretty much everything there is (therioes, pictures, quotes etc.) so I'm not just questioning without having actually looked things up beforehand. At the end of 2009 and beginning of 2010 (wow already seems like such a long time ago  :( ) I really did entertain the idea that Michael could be alive but that initial feeling has faded. I know it might not make sense to everyone because we all interpret things differently but I can't help my own thoughts and feelings. I know you are all different so I appologise if it sounde like I generalised everyone. By a believer mindset I meant someone who sees clues instead of mourning, possibilities instead of heartache... You know what I mean?

By "doing his thing" I meant recording music, films, arts in general... I do still consider the idea of Michael being addicted to drugs but without judgement (and if he's gone that still doesn't have to be the cause of death). There are different kinds of addictions so I don't just see it as black or white. Also why do you believe Michael would do this? I know ya'll might have different opinions on that question and I'm interested to hear it. And what about the large amount of people that love him but would feel offended if he did fake it? I always got a feeling that Michael tried so hard to never offend or hurt anybody, except Tommy Mottola i.e.  :lol:
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 08:07:43 PM
@alovesmichael

With this hoax Michael wanted to open a third eye on us all. He wanted us to see the invisible and wanted us to believe the unbelievable. And very few of his fans could do this. That is the reason why there're only a couple of thousands of believers and millions of non-believers. I do understand that you do not see things like us but I do not get why you're torturing yourself after 19 months still trying to understand if he's alive or not. You already wrote that you would be sure only IF you see Michael in flesh and bone. This means NOTHING can satisfy you and make you become sure that he is alive. I'm trying to understand what your purpose is being on a hoax forum. I'm not arguing with you but just trying to understand your intention. That was the reason why I wrote Justice group would welcome you because it is so obvious that the clues we find or you find yourself don't satisfy you. And if they haven't satisfied you till now, they will not after all. You wrote that you are negative only about Teddy Riley but on this post, all I can see is your negativeness again. You evaluate things from your point of view only. But this is not our hoax, it is Michael's. It is about understanding him. Being on the same track with him. If you don't get the clues, you don't get them. No need to force to understand them or be negative about them since others understand what the clue is about. I do not know how you first started to think that he could be alive but maybe you should go back to the beginning and check out everything you have found out. It is better for you to make up your mind if you're a believer or a non-believer because being in the middle is the worst torture you can do to yourself. Hope you find the truth that will make you happy soon.
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 14, 2011, 09:57:21 PM
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Agree with PureLove, we have had so many evidences of MJ being alive, what more do we need?the only thing that is left is MJ popping up in front of the media and announcing that he is alive. About the courtroom thing-it's really too hilarious, i have never seen a courtroom filled with so may toys, it's like a zoo or a kindergarten, this is really funny, it's all  Michael's style, what other proof do we need?


That would be nice if Michael will pop out and say Hello I am here, it is me.. Honestly this court is a joke a circus. Let the fun begin
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Re: March 28, 2011: Murray Trial Starts

  • on: February 15, 2011, 07:18:51 PM
@Purelove

I guess it's that tiny bit of hope that's keeping me here... You know, the fact that I really want you to be right because I really do have a hard simply accepting it the way most of the world have accepted it. I don't have any bad intentions posting what I do, I just still wonder about things and sometimes I also get upset. I'm only human (pun intended  ;) ).

I hope you don't mind if I ask you WHY you think Michael would want us to see the invisible and believe the unbelievable knowing that only a few 1000 would? I just want to hear your opinion on that, definitely not trying to argue or anything. And your right about being in the middle and torturing oneself but being a non-believer that has accepted things the way they are must be equally painful I guess... I'm still a mess when it comes to Michael no matter what I believe, sadly enough.
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