O2 Guy and MJ - differences

on: January 23, 2011, 07:33:52 AM

Quote from: "MJonmind"

For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?

That was my ever first clue to doubt about MJ "personas". At first I thought he had DID, then I thought it was a double, then I thought he got botox here and there, still I have no idea, but those "Michaels" are different imo.

on: January 23, 2011, 08:17:14 AM

The whole Bashir interview distubs me, it's very hard to watch

@Bec Well exactly....

on: January 23, 2011, 08:33:48 AM

Quote from: "MJonmind"

For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:2eutvjdd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:2eutvjdd]

I agree MJonmind. This is usually sidepassed, but there is something really strange about this interview. Why did MJ get so upset when they went to Germany? A complete mystery.

on: January 23, 2011, 08:39:48 AM

I also find it difficult to watch for various reasons, it almost seems as though Bashir was given a script and was playing the bad guy, the way he phrased some things made him seem like a villian in some melodrama. And then of course there was the betrayal of MJ after he let him into his world, and the comeback video by MJ's team of what actually happened. Showing the world that things can be manipulated to affect their opinion of someone? That things aren't always as they appear even if they see it on a TV screen? I still wonder about how involved Bashir is in the hoax, whether the whole thing was a part of the big picture. And then there's the differences between the MJs. The man we never knew LOL. ;)

on: January 23, 2011, 08:40:35 AM

Quote from: "liegi"

Quote from: "MJonmind"
For me the biggest mystery is the two MJ looks in the Bashir interview, especially since the first red shirt MJ says he knows and has a relationship with Blanket's mother, and the second wine shirt MJ says she doesn't know him and he doesn't know her. Their mouths are just totally different. :? If there's 2, I love them both. :? :?
[youtube:2akkyssm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:2akkyssm]

I agree MJonmind. This is usually sidepassed, but there is something really strange about this interview. Why did MJ get so upset when they went to Germany? A complete mystery.

I've seen these two looks many times, as I've already said - it's so weird how his face completely changes - I know the film was made over a few months and he could have had some botox or something within the duration of the filming, but something bothers me about it.

on: January 23, 2011, 08:48:16 AM

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The jump from 0:44 to 0:46, 2 different people. To me, the "real" Michael is the 1st one and the 2nd one I have my doubts about. Can surgery change a person that much? is not only the looks, it is also the behaviour. Different personalities.

:mrgreen: back to point 0, i am going in circles. I just feel like svearing :evil:

on: January 23, 2011, 09:05:30 AM

It wasn't just how his face changed,I mean..it looks almost like he had surgery mid way through the film or put weight on or something,it's also what he was saying.I sat there watched it,I was much younger than I am now...but even then I was like
MICHAEL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
It was 100% made to make him look,deranged,unstable,and basically weird...confirming all the rumours about him and then the aftermath sealed the deal.
I only watched it once in full,I couldn't watch it again.

Shall I swear for you Gema?

FUCK BASHIR and his documentary.

there you go.haha

on: January 23, 2011, 09:12:19 AM

:lol: that felt virtually good. Next stop KF :lol:

Yes, Michael 1 talking about Blanket´s mom and Michael 2 on the deny about Blanket´s mom.
What about Michael 3, the Michael in the train? From minute 5:00
[youtube:3kstzm2m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAaUC5IVfzU&feature=related[/youtube:3kstzm2m]

on: January 23, 2011, 09:19:11 AM

Oh,You'd need a censor for my true feelings on KF lmao!

on: January 23, 2011, 11:46:57 AM

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Quote from: "Gema"
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrytqCu5VTk[/youtube:15gfi6bq]

The jump from 0:44 to 0:46, 2 different people. To me, the "real" Michael is the 1st one and the 2nd one I have my doubts about. Can surgery change a person that much? is not only the looks, it is also the behaviour. Different personalities.

:mrgreen: back to point 0, i am going in circles. I just feel like svearing :evil:

I respect your opinion. But for me is the first MJ (red) 99% a double/FAKE. The second MJ (wine) is 99% REAL deal!!
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkZt5W7aNlQ[/youtube:15gfi6bq]

[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCKixAtO5M&feature=related[/youtube:15gfi6bq]
[youtube:15gfi6bq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp9KRtkVgOo&feature=related[/youtube:15gfi6bq]

on: January 23, 2011, 12:05:02 PM

See...I couldn't even watch all of that 1.45 clip then,I skipped through it.
He says things in such an innocent way with no intent...and they are turned into something awful.
As soon as Bashir says you have them on your computer...that was it.
I know this thread isn't about that whole incident but i'm just saying.

Back to doubles and non 02 MJ....
My brain is going to literally explode with all of this I think.

on: January 23, 2011, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: "Sinderella"

See...I couldn't even watch all of that 1.45 clip then,I skipped through it.
He says things in such an innocent way with no intent...and they are turned into something awful.
As soon as Bashir says you have them on your computer...that was it.
I know this thread isn't about that whole incident but i'm just saying.

Back to doubles and non 02 MJ....
My brain is going to literally explode with all of this I think.

Well, At least we are sure now about the fact that MJ owned a computer... :lol:

on: January 23, 2011, 12:46:35 PM

Quote from: "frogh777"

Well, At least we are sure now about the fact that MJ owned a computer... :lol:

LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.

on: January 23, 2011, 02:03:22 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times

Quote from: "Sinderella"

LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.

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@frogh777,
It´s Michael with a "fuller" face but what about the eyes?
I am awared that surgery can change ones expression, but the shy aura that Michael 1 (red shirt) has in his eyes is not the same than the one Michael 2 (wine shirt) has.
If it´s the same man there is a huge personality change there.

on: January 23, 2011, 05:12:07 PM

Quote from: "Gema"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times
Quote from: "Sinderella"
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.

Were you not thinking online grocery shopping whilst in the bath no?

hahaha

on: January 24, 2011, 07:10:32 AM

Quote from: "Gema"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you are the voice of the thoughts circulating around here at times
Quote from: "Sinderella"
LOL,yeah,he had about 14 in total,well that they took from the house.Who needs 14 computers?there was one in the bathroom in a hidden compartment too,I can only imagine what that was used for...haha.

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@frogh777,
It´s Michael with a "fuller" face but what about the eyes?
I am awared that surgery can change ones expression, but the shy aura that Michael 1 (red shirt) has in his eyes is not the same than the one Michael 2 (wine shirt) has.
If it´s the same man there is a huge personality change there.

The MJ in the wine shirt has much fuller lips too (he looks a little sleepy) but more like the MJ I know and love. The other MJ has unkempt hair and thinner lips - you can only see his bottom teeth. It almost looks like has has no upper teeth at all - you don't get this with the MJ in the wine shirt). It's so weird.

on: January 24, 2011, 07:50:28 AM

I had an Uncle who's looks would change completely if he got drunk. His face would swell, his eyes and mouth would twitch etc...
I'm starting to wonder if Michael had a drinking problem. I do not believe the drug problem mess except maybe for just the time right after the Pepsi accident but was he maybe getting sauced during the Bashir interview? God knows I love Michael but we are looking for truth here.

on: January 24, 2011, 08:11:23 AM

Quote from: "Gema"

Please, check from 0:55
Michael falls down or hides or he has been injured. Tohmé also bends down to assist Michael.
[youtube:2ata93js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdzCd_Pc17Y&feature=related[/youtube:2ata93js]

Maybe he was afraid that ripped off his wig!
He never hid from the public. Whenever I saw him walking with his bodyguards, but that attitude was very strange. He seemed afraid enfrerntar people!

The major differences in the face of O2 were the shape of the face (even skinny, Michael had a pretty face square and it has not changed, because we can see in TII), the way you walk ede speak. When Michael would make a statement, he spoke many things, his voice was soft, did not laugh much and never appeared in dark glasses.

Perhaps the idea was to make people believe he was ill and heavily drugged, and it seems they have achieved. If he appeared so cute and acting like Michael Jackson, no one would believe that he was very ill and addicted.

For me, he called a fake to make a fake ad.

on: January 27, 2011, 09:32:06 AM

Why MJ would have wanted to start a new tour if he was so "sick"? I just don't get it.

on: January 28, 2011, 02:07:25 AM

Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.

The wine coloured shirt MJ is much fuller in the face.....If he is taking cortisone for Lupus, that could explain the puffiness in the face and around the eyes. My mother had lupus....Cheers

on: January 28, 2011, 06:57:17 AM

Quote from: "2good2btrue"

Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.

Yup!!!!!Spot on,it was never going to be a tour

on: January 28, 2011, 07:26:41 AM

Quote from: "2good2btrue"

Maybe because TII was never supposed to be a tour/concert....it was always supposed to be a movie.

The wine coloured shirt MJ is much fuller in the face.....If he is taking cortisone for Lupus, that could explain the puffiness in the face and around the eyes. My mother had lupus....Cheers

Very good observation!

Michael would be the 1st person I see that looks great after cortison intake!

on: January 28, 2011, 08:26:47 AM

Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.

on: January 28, 2011, 11:16:31 PM

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Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.

TONS

That is one of the fascinations for me and I am sure other's as well.
Especially when you are my age and literally watched him from the time
the Jackson5 hit Motown and the record charts and their lead singer
happened to be a skinny kid who grew up and made himself a super rich
mega star.

on: January 29, 2011, 06:43:17 AM

Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"

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Notwithstanding injections, I still think there's more to this than meets the eye.

TONS

That is one of the fascinations for me and I am sure other's as well.
Especially when you are my age and literally watched him from the time
the Jackson5 hit Motown and the record charts and their lead singer
happened to be a skinny kid who grew up and made himself a super rich
mega star.

You and I must be around the same age --ish