FBI Files Will Be Released 12/22

on: December 19, 2009, 07:49:38 PM

Quote from: "Lorrie"

You're quite welcome, DontBelieveTheHype. I'm glad I could help. It's easy to forget that every forum member isn't a native English speaker, especially when they write as well as you do in English. If you hadn't said that English wasn't your first language, I would have never guessed. You definitely had me fooled!

Aw Lorrie thats so sweet of you. I seem to have fooled alot of people on english speaking MJ forums. :lol: Im fortunate to have a really good english teacher in school and Im always up for learning the same kind of terms and words that you use in everyday speaking. I always aim to have the ability to speak in conversations as anyone else from America/England would, Im from Scandinavia. Im glad I could ask you for an easier translation of what this topic was even about.

on: December 19, 2009, 07:57:53 PM

Quote from: "Happy Feet"

The examiner.com already has an article on this. The FBI is only releasing 333 pages of the report. There are 343 pages that remain classified and kept private.

Here's a link to the article. Please read.

Here's a snippet of the article. I'm not sure what to make of it :cry: :cry: :cry:

"Jackson died on June 25,2009 in Los Angeles County, and was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center.

Law enforcement agents have been investigating allegations that the Jackson had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants that may have contributed to his death at age 50. Law enforcement agencies including the federal Drug Enforcement Administration and California Attorney General Jerry Brown are helping Los Angeles police officers investigate the possible involvement of prescription drugs in Jackson's death."

http://www.examiner.com/x-30199-Rock-Mu ... -Christmas

im sorry but i thought the the drug propophol was the cause?? so this is a FALSE record

on: December 19, 2009, 08:11:56 PM

I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)

All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.

Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.

I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.

I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.

Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!

I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.

on: December 19, 2009, 08:19:57 PM

Quote from: "Christiana"

I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)

All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.

Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.

I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.

I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.

Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!

I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.

Thank you very much for settling that :D I do mean that sincerely ;)

on: December 19, 2009, 08:23:43 PM

Thank you so much Christiana for your very clear explanation ( English is not my native language.)
I guess we just have to wait till the 22th and read a lot then (Well it keeps me of the street right :lol: )

on: December 19, 2009, 08:48:36 PM

Quote from: "LLJ"

I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?

Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?

on: December 19, 2009, 08:49:46 PM

Thanks for providing the layout of what to expect. I have never had a reason to make such a request so I was unaware that it was something that the average person could do. Your points are well taken since it is highly unlikely that the FBI would provide random citizens with top secret information. As most people should understand that level of information is on a need-to-know basis. Mjs fans aren't on the need-to-know list.

Quote from: "Christiana"

I saw that other gal's info on the FBI files from MJJC too. She and I have talked. We both have Elvis' FBI files so have talked about that, and about MJ's of course. :)

All of you who are worried, I think you need to calm down. I'll just say this again, having said it before: MJ could very well be dead. I accept that, and frankly, I think every person here should accept that very real possibility. But at the same time, we all know the major inconsistencies and convoluted information surrounding MJ's "death." We all know he could also very well be alive. There is MUCH to suggest that is in fact the case.

Whatever is in the FBI files, it will not tell you he is alive and it will not tell you he is dead. You're not going to see a death certificate in there (that is NOT public information freely accessible via the invocation of the Freedom of Information Act, nor will it EVER be). There will be no autopsy photos. There will be no open casket photos. There will be nothing in there that would serve as proof that he is dead. And there will be nothing about the investigation into his "death" because that is NOT public information. And, if he is alive, there's not going to be ANYTHING in there that would prove that: no information on the Witness Protection Program. No information pointing to his location. Nothing whatsoever that would prove or even suggest that MJ is still alive and that his death was hoaxed, and/or that the FBI or CIA or any other government agency had ANYTHING to do with it.That's NOT what those files are about.

I will also say that when the FBI first replied to me in letter form, they told me that there are 591 pages in MJ's FBI file. I have this in writing. Their letter did not say that all 591 pages would be accessible or available, only that there are "591 pages which are potentially responsive" to my request. How many we will have access to, we will know for sure on December 22 when the files are available online.

I would also like to point out that just because MJ was involved in allegations of molestation, that does NOT mean that information linked to those allegations will appear in the FBI files. There is no way to know that for sure until the files are released. But considering that he was never formally charged in 1993, and signed a legal settlement with specific stipulations about confidentiality (for both parties), I would be very, VERY surprised if ANY of that information is in there. And even if it is, it is very, VERY likely that this information will be redacted (BLACKED OUT or completely removed), because otherwise it would violate the Privacy Act and the rights of all parties involved--which they CAN NOT DO!). And anything that happened in 2003 is already public record and readily available on the Internet, so there would be nothing new or earth-shattering in that regard.

Everyone just needs to chill out about the FBI files. They're obviously releasing them because there is such a demand for them. So by making them available for download it frees them from the task of photocopying those files every time any Tom, Dick, or Harry writes and asks for them. They'd have to hire people just to photocopy MJ's files on a regular basis, I'm sure. They don't want to be doing that!

I would be beyond surprised if there is ANYTHING in those files that is shocking or scandalous. In my mind, MJ was trashed every which way from Sunday pre-June 25th. There's nothing revelatory that could be exposed in those files that isn't already available for pubic consumption. And there's nothing that is going to prove that he's dead, anymore than there will be anything that will prove he's alive.

on: December 19, 2009, 10:11:09 PM

I'm intrigued. I've marked it on my calender. :geek:

I do hope we get a more comprehensive look at all the Ish Michael has been through, even if we already know most of it. It will be interesting to get the information from the perpective of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).

Learning about Michael and all he has been thought has really open my heart, and made me respect him more and more. :oops:

on: December 19, 2009, 11:27:41 PM

Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"

Aw Lorrie thats so sweet of you. I seem to have fooled alot of people on english speaking MJ forums. :lol: Im fortunate to have a really good english teacher in school and Im always up for learning the same kind of terms and words that you use in everyday speaking. I always aim to have the ability to speak in conversations as anyone else from America/England would, Im from Scandinavia. Im glad I could ask you for an easier translation of what this topic was even about.

Again, no problem, DontBelieveTheHype. Your teacher must be excellent because you really do use a lot of everyday colloquial expressions in English correctly, which is very difficult to do when you're not fluent in a language. I have two degrees in Linguistics and years of experience studying quite a few languages, but I can only pull that off in a couple of them. Kudos to you!

on: December 20, 2009, 01:05:09 AM

Quote from: "Harleyblonde"

Quote from: "LLJ"
I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?

If you read my previous posts on this, I've already answered your question. The FBI files have NOTHING to do with the investigation into MJ's "death." There will be no information on that in there.

on: December 20, 2009, 06:36:59 AM

So the FBI were carrying out there own separate investigations into federal crimes that a)Michael supposedly was accused of or b) attempts of crimes against him. It'll be interesting to compare the findings from the FBI with the court findings (if it's possible to even compare the two) I have access to law database and have been reading up on cases brought against Michael some of the stuff is so stupid it made me cry with laughter. Because im not a tease , i'll give you an example

United States District Court,
E.D. Louisiana.
Joseph Thomas BARTUCCI, Jr.
Versus
Michael J. JACKSON.
Civil Action No. 04-2977

This case arises out of events that allegedly took place between May 19 and 27, 1984. Plaintiff Joseph Bartucci alleges that, while Defendant Michael Jackson was in New Orleans for a concert, Mr. Jackson and his representatives falsely imprisoned
Mr. Bartucci and transported him to California. During that period, Mr. Bartucci alleges
that Mr. Jackson sexually assaulted him repeatedly, both in Mr. Jackson's limousine and in an unknown building in California. In particular,Mr. Bartucci alleges that Defendant and his agents inflicted a wide range of abuse and violence upon him, including allegations that the Plaintiff was cut with razor blades, jabbed with steel wires, bitten, and drugged, and that his head was beaten on concrete by one of Mr. Jackson's
bodyguards. Mr. Bartucci claims he has suffered severe and debilitating physical and psychological injuries due to these events, and has brought claims for assault, battery, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.Mr. Bartucci alleges that his claims survive prescription.

Mr. Bartucci alleges that, due to repressed memories, he had no knowledge of the
1984 events until November 29, 2003. In 2003, Mr. Bartucci recalled what had allegedly
happened to him as he watched a Court TV special regarding Mr. Jackson's recent trial in California.Thus, Mr. Bartucci argues that because of his repressed memories he suffered under a disability and was rendered incapable of bringing suit.

on: December 20, 2009, 01:14:05 PM

Quote from: "Happy Feet"

Thats a pretty quick release date isn't it, considering there's supposed to be an ongoing homicide investigation? I'm not to familiar with how the FBI release works, but according to the link you posted, they only released Anna Nicole Smiths files this year and she passed away 2 years ago.

Maybe this is a good thing yes/no?

I'm sure it was due to demand. It's just easier to do it this way. I know that whenever I've filed for papers using FOIA it's taken quite a while but multitudes of people weren't filing for the same paperwork as I.

on: December 20, 2009, 01:15:56 PM

Quote from: "Harleyblonde"

Quote from: "LLJ"
I don't feel so good right now. Dont know what to think?
Same here. I really don't want perhaps proof that he probably is dead. That would be devastating for us all.
How can they release these files when there has been no court case yet?

This doesn't have anything to do with that.

on: December 20, 2009, 03:33:06 PM

this is the UK interpritation of it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... reats.html

they said with john lennons file they made a book and a film from it.. :shock:

on: December 21, 2009, 01:29:32 PM

FBI Delays Release of MJ Extortion Documents
Posted December 21 by TMZ Staff

The FBI will not release Michael Jackson documents relating to the molestation investigations as well as extortion attempts -- at least not today.

The 333 pages of formerly-classified documents were supposed to be released today but the snow in Washington D.C. has caused a delay of at least one day.

As for what's in the documents ... sources tell TMZ during the 1993 Michael Jackson child molestation investigation, the late great Johnnie Cochran contacted the FBI, claiming the accuser's family was trying to extort money from Jackson with false allegations. It's likely Cochran's contact with the agency will show up when the documents are released.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0aLiFVeVO

on: December 21, 2009, 01:31:24 PM

I'm not surprised...

on: December 21, 2009, 01:41:50 PM

:lol: OH MY GOD DELAYED BY SNOW :lol:

on: December 21, 2009, 01:44:58 PM

This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.

It is a bad dream!!

on: December 21, 2009, 01:47:37 PM

Quote from: "KeepTheFaith"

This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.

It is a bad dream!!

:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:

on: December 21, 2009, 01:51:22 PM

Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"

Quote from: "KeepTheFaith"
This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.

It is a bad dream!!
:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:

Ohh thanks I was not able to express myself so nicely because I don't speak English.
I am just trying...

I will learn that language from this site?? :D

on: December 21, 2009, 01:54:40 PM

Quote from: "KeepTheFaith"

Quote from: "SPAKKLE29FUL"
Quote from: "KeepTheFaith"
This is ridiculous, no FBI files released, and i am waiting for 19 hours the next redirect of TIAI.

It is a bad dream!!
:lol: NO ITS A BLOODY NIGHTMARE :lol: :lol:

Ohh thanks I was not able to express myself so nicely because I don't speak English.
I am just trying...

I will learn that language from this site?? :D

:lol: NO PROBLEM I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE 19 HOURS YOUR ENGLISH IS GOOD DONT WORRY

on: December 21, 2009, 02:04:00 PM

BTW, I find the title of TMZ's latest article interesting. Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".

The truth will prevail...

on: December 21, 2009, 02:19:42 PM

Hmmm it sounds as though Mr Bartucci might have been hanging out in the New Orleans French Quarter on Bourbon Street and having a fair share of Hurricane drinks when he contrived this tale. Nice try Mr Bartucci.

Quote from: "the_gloved_one"

So the FBI were carrying out there own separate investigations into federal crimes that a)Michael supposedly was accused of or b) attempts of crimes against him. It'll be interesting to compare the findings from the FBI with the court findings (if it's possible to even compare the two) I have access to law database and have been reading up on cases brought against Michael some of the stuff is so stupid it made me cry with laughter. Because im not a tease , i'll give you an example

United States District Court,
E.D. Louisiana.
Joseph Thomas BARTUCCI, Jr.
Versus
Michael J. JACKSON.
Civil Action No. 04-2977

This case arises out of events that allegedly took place between May 19 and 27, 1984. Plaintiff Joseph Bartucci alleges that, while Defendant Michael Jackson was in New Orleans for a concert, Mr. Jackson and his representatives falsely imprisoned
Mr. Bartucci and transported him to California. During that period, Mr. Bartucci alleges
that Mr. Jackson sexually assaulted him repeatedly, both in Mr. Jackson's limousine and in an unknown building in California. In particular,Mr. Bartucci alleges that Defendant and his agents inflicted a wide range of abuse and violence upon him, including allegations that the Plaintiff was cut with razor blades, jabbed with steel wires, bitten, and drugged, and that his head was beaten on concrete by one of Mr. Jackson's
bodyguards. Mr. Bartucci claims he has suffered severe and debilitating physical and psychological injuries due to these events, and has brought claims for assault, battery, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.Mr. Bartucci alleges that his claims survive prescription.

Mr. Bartucci alleges that, due to repressed memories, he had no knowledge of the
1984 events until November 29, 2003. In 2003, Mr. Bartucci recalled what had allegedly
happened to him as he watched a Court TV special regarding Mr. Jackson's recent trial in California.Thus, Mr. Bartucci argues that because of his repressed memories he suffered under a disability and was rendered incapable of bringing suit.

on: December 21, 2009, 07:28:14 PM

Look what I find
A secret FBI file about Michael Jackson is to be released.

Around half of the 679-page document is set to be declassified within the next two days.

The files contain information about the late Thriller singer's extensive lawsuits and information about his 1993 and 2004 child molestation investigations.

"People are still questioning many things about the private life of this secretive pop star. Jackson was an enigma and lived in riches and a lifestyle unlike anyone since Elvis Presley.

"This dossier is an incredibly important key to understanding what happened behind closed doors, and may help the world better understand Michael," a source said.

Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.

Two cameras were placed on the plane, which was taking Jackson to hand himself over for police questioning.

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However, some parts of the document will remain hidden - including information relating to his death earlier this year - as it is part of an ongoing inquiry.

on: December 21, 2009, 07:34:30 PM

Quote

Instead of referring to vague "FBI Files", they are now calling it specifically "Extortion Documents".

The truth will prevail...

Quote

Also included in the pages of the report are details of death threats made to the singer and efforts by a private jet company to profit from the alleged child abuse charges against him by installing hidden cameras in a plane used by the star.

I am loving this. The truth will finally prevail!!! The only reason this would get the attention would be to set a death hoax. Unfortunatley this is true. People would not pay attention to the truth unless Michael ''died''. He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve when making this death hoax. The truth is coming out... Soon.. Very soon...

FBI Files Will Be Released 12/22

*Mo*

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