TIAI December 30

[Sarahli]

Hi TS  
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?

[TheRunningGirl]

Hi TS  
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?

I agree with your interpretation Sarahli - and I would even go further in saying that no sins can be justified by the need for money!  Reputation is everything and needs to be defended!
When Michael "died" many many millions showed their Love for him and this had nothing to do with "money" but with Michael's reputation as a genuine Loving and caring person.
Michael restoration of His reputation is well on the way.
The "Death Date" is indeed much more meaningful in this case as it can be proven to be no coincidence through numerology, Michael's birth date has been questioned a number of times but no conclusions were drawn.
I still find it fascinating that the Pepsi accident is EXACTLY mid way through Michael's "life"... and TS you have NEVER said anything about it, will you give me an answer if I ask You WHY?

Thank You for this redirect TS -->      

With L.O.V.E

[Sarahli]

Hi TS  
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?

I agree with your interpretation Sarahli - and I would even go further in saying that no sins can be justified by the need for money!  Reputation is everything and needs to be defended!
When Michael "died" many many millions showed their Love for him and this had nothing to do with "money" but with Michael's reputation as a genuine Loving and caring person.
Michael restoration of His reputation is well on the way.
The "Death Date" is indeed much more meaningful in this case as it can be proven to be no coincidence through numerology, Michael's birth date has been questioned a number of times but no conclusions were drawn.
I still find it fascinating that the Pepsi accident is EXACTLY mid way through Michael's "life"... and TS you have NEVER said anything about it, will you give me an answer if I ask You WHY?

Thank You for this redirect TS -->      

With L.O.V.E

Thank you my dear    Maybe that there's no "rational" hoaxy interpretation/explanation and that it is "just" DESTINY in all its splendor, which if confirmed (by TS??), only proves that God's hand is in all of this  

[a18wheelslady]

Thank You TS
and Happy New Year to your and yours              

[ignisaeternus]

Thank you for the re-direct, TS- Happy New Year and all much Love, Faith, and Hope for the New Year. <3
I also liked E 7.8:
"The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
and patience is better than pride."
Thank you for all the patience and for reminding us of that value as well.

Thanks to all of you who help bring all those specs of lights into the darkess.  It's like each of you bringing a candle and brightening the darkness.

@ladymjc: Thanks for the great numerology analysis.  I am such an idiot at it- but you lay it out so even I can follow.  

I think the re-direct also points out that at birth- we have prediction and promise.  Upon death- we have a review of the life lost and a sort of evaluation of the promise given. As you guys pointed out, when Michael "died," the world saw an outpouring of love and refocusing on all he has given.  People who had been silent, stood up in their support and spoke out for him and their love for him.  One of the main lessons is to keep this message in our lives: to live each day in a way that would make us proud at the end.  Tomorrow is now; we need to lay the foundations now- every day, with every word and every action.  
My New Year's Resolution: to honor and appreciate every day the people and things that I have been blessed with in my life.  And to make sure that I live in a way that makes my life a blessing to others.  (well, as a social worker I do not have to worry about that wealth aspect- so I might as well continue to work on the reputation part..   ) HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

[MissG]

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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

Since the redirection is made during this holidays, I have a doubt.

Could this quote relate to the date when Christ was born?
It is said that Jesus was born around September (if one follows the textes when comes to the shepperds i.e) and that the date December 25th was just settled.

Could this redirection point towards MJs birth date not being the correct one? So Michael´s really birth as a man living a life starts from June 25th 2009? a New Michael? Reborn after his death?

Your death date tells more than your birth date.

In fact, we have learned and studied Michael ,the man, much more in detail after his death, we became to slowly know him, piece by piece.

June 25th is a new date telling who is Michael, a man better know by his actions than by his bankacount by now.

[PureLove]

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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. That being say, the first thing that came to my mind is that the hoax is more about cleaning up Michael's reputation and bringing him back into good graces with the world than it is about making money.

And, what people do and say about you when you die is very telling in terms of how you are really thought of because people will tend to be more true to their honest feelings.

I think it's evident by the way the world reacted on June 25, 2009 that Michael is well loved around the world.

As always, this message is multilayered, so in suggesting the following, I'm not in any way negating everyone else's comments, which are very valid.  But what popped up for me is that the 'death date' is more important than the birth date.  Could this be a suggestion that we look more closely at the DATE of Michael's 'death'?  Or am I too far off base?

Agree with you both. Thank you for this redirect TS.

[paula-c]

Prov. 22: 1 "more worth the good name that many riches, and the good reputation worth more than silver and gold"

[paula-c]

the Bible does not have nor a single record of birthday (if I am wrong that someone I created)
Is that it is not an important thing? The date of his death..., says more than your birth date.
Won't that birthday, it will be, holding, men commandments? What pagan customs adopted the churches of Christendom?, as for example 25 of dicienbre.
A good reputation is best one bank account, importantly as we will be remembered by our reputation and good works.

[onemoretime]

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
  A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

So much wisdom in only a few words. A lot of wise comments already made here.
Only hours separate us from a new year, a time when people contemplate about the past year and think about what the new year might bring, and nobody knows.

Don't Take Anything for Granted
Things may not remain the way, they were before. Change can happen anytime, for the good or the bad.
We wish each other a Happy New Year in the hope of achieving happiness, peace and understanding and often we have to admit, we 'can't take anything for granted'.
If we follow the example of Elvis and Michael, we see two humble human beings who touched others just by their appearance and their inner light, their aura. Not everyone was able to see it, only the "enlightened", some only after their "deaths", when they suddenly realized, how much they had been mislead by reports, which had shed a bad light on the two of them, who had become victims of a bad press.
Their reputation was in shambles, they were called drug addicts, one even a pedophile. They suffered and were deeply hurt by all the wrong allegations.
Times have changed and the bad press seems very silent.
The symbolic Bible verses are cited, Jesus' suffering comes into our minds. He was crucified and ridiculed, but rose as a king.
Are our heroes prophets, sent our way to guide us and help us to see things in a clearer light? Quite a few said they have learned since their "death" occured, they have become more aware of things around them, have developed new pespectives in their own lives. Would anyone have told them they would have matured so much in such a short time, many would have brushed it aside in disbelief.

A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

Both Michael and Elvis had it all, 'a fat bank account' as well as debts. Leeches were around them bloodsucking them until they could hardly stand it anymore. There were reports of them having been threatened, "taken care of" by bodyguards, who treated them badly and took away their freedom. They were controlled in every move they made, not everyone had access to them. And why? Not, because those who did this to them, loved and cherished them. They were interested in having a fat share of their bank account.
Their good reputation had to be destroyed in order for the world to see what weak creatures they were.
I don't believe in any of the drug-addiction stories. They may have been drugged against their will.
Both were against drugs, only for medical purposes. They were fighting drugs, you never know, they might be doing it still undercover and had to have a new identity not to be detected.
They could buy everything money could buy, yet they felt, there was more to life than wealth. They were well-read and spiritually interested. The bloodsuckers and those who tried to harm them, wanted to prevent them from becoming too spiritual. They had to function as a money machine. Elvis' books should be burned and Michael's library was destroyed.

Naturally

your death date tells more than your birth date.

You've left traces when you die, whereas your life-book is empty when you're born.
If the two had to escape from danger, still unknown to most, their new life, new identity began with their death date.
LMP's written words were that He Knew and that their death was following the exact same pattern and she was devastated. What did she mean? A lot of speculation had been going on to decipher the meaning.
Elvis and Michael had spent a long time of their lives on stage, being adored and seen as stars with an image created by their performance, their managers, their charisma.
It could have well been, they needed a break from the glitter and glamour, not to be burnt out too soon.
Many of us have experienced themselves in just one and half years, how much of a rollercoaster it can be.
They were in the limelight, every single move was watched and registrated, often misinterpretated.
The image had to be replaced by something else. If that was the case, their death date might have been the begining of a new awareness, a re-birth in order to survive, either literally or mentally.
If only we Knew.
Anyhow, whatever the reason for their disappearing was, I just hope they are safe now and have a good new year with all their dreams fulfilled.

[angel]

Thank you, TS.  I'm beginning to realize how important this is to you.  I believe it has always been a main objective of the hoax, if not the only one.  A pearl of great price that must be the legacy left when the time does eventually come.  I wish you a peaceful and happy New Year spent with your family and friends and, as always, L.O.V.E.

[bec]

I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

Come to think of it, he doesn't discuss the repeating 70 day periods either, that are clearly a pattern and not by random coincidence.

[emeraldcity]

Thank you TS for the multi-layered message which has given me much food for thought (I'll comment on it later).  Also thank you to my wonderful hoax family for all your interesting interpretations of this redirect.  I learn so much from you all every day and I am hopefully wiser because of it  

[MJonmind]

Gema
So Michael´s really birth as a man living a life starts from June 25th 2009? a New Michael? Reborn after his death?

Yes right after the date chosen by the church to represent the date that Jesus was born, which actually had more to do with Solstace celebration. The world's perception of MJ has forever been defined by his death date, so it's a birth for MJ's new living in this world. Jesus in John 3 talks about being born again, rebirth in faith.

I love the book of Eccl. thanks TS, written by the wisest man Solomon, who had it all and so gained perspective on wealth and meaning in life. Hopefully we'll understand your reasons for posting it.

Apparantly there are only 3 mentions of a birthday in the Bible. All negative, so maybe that's why JW's don't celebrate them, and TS and MJ are both still mindful of their teaching.

Birthdays in the Bible
Birthday celebrations are mentioned in the Bible on three separate occasions and, in each case, something terrible occurred. These three accounts bear brief examination.

The first account is in Genesis. Pharaoh, the Egyptian king, celebrated his birthday by executing his chief baker (Gen. 40:1-23). God gave Joseph special understanding of a dream by Pharaoh’s butler and baker, that the baker would lose his life three days after Joseph interpreted the dream. Joseph understood that Pharaoh would use this occasion—his own birthday party—to put his baker to death. As the dream had foretold, the baker was hung at the party.

In the second account, the New Testament figure Herod the tetrarch reluctantly ordered the beheading of John the Baptist (Matt. 14:3-11). Notice verse six: “But when Herod’s birthday was kept…” During the dancing and merry-making at his birthday party, Herod got carried away and eventually made a promise that he did not want to keep. As a result, a great servant of God lost his life.

The final account is found in the book of Job. The Bible says that Job’s seven sons “went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them” (Job 1:4). These parties were obviously not centered around any kind of celebration related to God, or Job would not have worried that his children may have sinned during these celebration feasts. He was not exactly sure what was going on in their minds, but the very celebration of their birthdays triggered great concern in him (1:5). Apparently, during the birthday party of Job’s oldest son, God allowed Satan to kill all ten of Job’s children through what appears to be a tornado (vs. 6-13, 18-19).

Further proof that these birthday celebrations displeased God is found in Job 3. Take time to read the entire chapter carefully. Job spends much time cursing every aspect of the day of his birth. The loss of all of his children, due to a birthday celebration, stunned and sobered him. His words make plain that there is nothing good about the day of a man’s birth. He openly cursed the day he was born. This will be shown to have greater meaning later in this article.

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[friendlikeme81]

I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.