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TIAI December 30

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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 10:50:08 AM
The writing of Ecclesiastes is attributed to King Solomon but there is debate and some believe that the words are those of the Messiah.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastes

THE PURPOSE: Is life really worth living? Can I possibly find peace and purpose in this life? The author of Ecclesiastes attempts to answer these questions by proving that satisfaction in life can only be found by looking beyond this world. Ecclesiastes gives an analysis of negative themes but it also develops the positive theme of overcoming the vanities of life by fearing a God who is good, just, and sovereign (12:13-14).
(to be God-fearing in the biblical sense is not necessarily to "fear" but may be interpreted to be devout, respectful, obedient etc towards the creator and his laws.)


The message is called “words of truth,” (12:10) given by “one Shepherd” (12:11). Christ called Himself, “the truth,” “the good shepherd” (John 10:14), and “a greater than Solomon” (Luke 11:31), coming to show the true meaning of life.
http://http://bible.org/seriespage/%E2%80%9C-good-life%E2%80%9D-ecclesiastes-overview

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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.
So you can be wealthy but that doesn't mean you are good person at all. Your reputation is a reflection of your deeds. It is better to be recognized for the good, kind, caring compassionate etc things you have done in your life than for the amount of money you may have accumulated.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 10:59:09 AM
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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. That being say, the first thing that came to my mind is that the hoax is more about cleaning up Michael's reputation and bringing him back into good graces with the world than it is about making money.

And, what people do and say about you when you die is very telling in terms of how you are really thought of because people will tend to be more true to their honest feelings.

I think it's evident by the way the world reacted on June 25, 2009 that Michael is well loved around the world.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 11:02:18 AM
I do like that message very much TS. I read all of the message and I especially like the part below.  ;)

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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=MSG

18 It's best to stay in touch with both sides of an issue. A person who fears God deals responsibly with all of reality, not just a piece of it.

 19 Wisdom puts more strength in one wise person
   Than ten strong men give to a city.

 20 There's not one totally good person on earth,
   Not one who is truly pure and sinless
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 11:09:32 AM
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%207:1&version=MSG
Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. That being say, the first thing that came to my mind is that the hoax is more about cleaning up Michael's reputation and bringing him back into good graces with the world than it is about making money.

And, what people do and say about you when you die is very telling in terms of how you are really thought of because people will tend to be more true to their honest feelings.

I think it's evident by the way the world reacted on June 25, 2009 that Michael is well loved around the world.

This passage may be about Michael but I felt it was more a message to all of us. That material gain, which is highly valued in our society, is not really what life is about. But that is just my take on it, of course it is open to interpretation and everything is relevant.  :D
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 11:10:23 AM
I so agree.  To add to that, if you look at what Michael did with his wealth, a very large portion of it was given back.  It almost seems to me that God granted Michael all the tools required and then some to do conquer his purpose in life.  And that purpose was to take care of the children and bring peace and hope and love to many, many unfortunate human beings.  In my eyes, his main expenditure was charity.  He cared less about worldly things.  He simply loved beauty and peace and children.  They called him eccentric in his spending, but what he saw as beautiful (though many termed them gaudy) he admired and took unto himself.  Money was no issue to him.  It was the beauty attached to it.  He was just as at home in the trenches as in the palaces.  And that speaks volumes.  Though  he is known for mega, unimaginable wealth, his goodness and love outshines that by leaps and bounds.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
As always, this message is multilayered, so in suggesting the following, I'm not in any way negating everyone else's comments, which are very valid.  But what popped up for me is that the 'death date' is more important than the birth date.  Could this be a suggestion that we look more closely at the DATE of Michael's 'death'?  Or am I too far off base?
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 12:47:13 PM
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As always, this message is multilayered, so in suggesting the following, I'm not in any way negating everyone else's comments, which are very valid.  But what popped up for me is that the 'death date' is more important than the birth date.  Could this be a suggestion that we look more closely at the DATE of Michael's 'death'?  Or am I too far off base?


Good Point  :shock:   :?
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
Oh my.  I woke up thinking about Ecclesiastes but I was thinking of the most popular verse: for everything there is a season...3:1. And then I log in to TIAI.  

I like everything you all have said here about TS' redirect to Ecc. 7:1. The passage seems to have multiple applications and meanings for us.    I went to bed thinking about Conrad Murray after having read many of the comments on TMZ. I'm working on my patience when it comes to understanding where we are now in the messy Murray debacle...
It's painful to read some of the negative, hurtful, brainless comments, and of course many people see how ridiculous Murray's defense strategy is, but many don't.  Generally, Michael's reputation is of a brilliant master of music who was a tortured soul, addicted to drugs.  This is hard for me to handle and it crushes me in unspeakable ways.    I was trying to grapple with the lingering perception of the public in both Elvis' and Michael's "death" that they were drug addicts.  I've had a hard time with why Elvis would have chosen to leave with the perception out there that he was a drug addict when apparently he was far from that, in fact, he helped to enforce drug laws and for all we know, Michael may have been doing the same thing with the DEA...who knows?  Certainly, it would be considered a valiant reputation vs. the label, "drug addict."

For 33 years, the general public has thought that Elvis' died tragically due to his own weaknesses and addictions.   And I think, we all have to play some part in making sure that those around us don't have a negative view of Michael based on media reports and here the seed is planted that he may have accidentally or even intentionally killed himself due to his addiction to propofol?  Murray will use a defense that Michael had all kinds of addictions?  We have to hear about needle marks everywhere, etc. etc?  It just can't go down like that. I thought, Michael's not going to let it go down like that.  His children will not grow up living with that.  We must play our part now like never before.  TS said "keep the faith no matter what happens!"

And that's how I woke up with "for everything there is a season..."  This "defense strategy" has to be allowed before the BAM.  It has to be that way.  In due time,  7:1 is a blessed assurance.

This debacle of a court case will result in righting many wrongs to Michael's reputation and perhaps that is true of the Eliza court case too?


It helped me to read all of Chapter 7, Eccl.  Thank you very much for this blessing today, TS.


Ecclesiastes 7 (New International Version, ©2010)


Wisdom
 1 A good name is better than fine perfume,
   and the day of death better than the day of birth.
2 It is better to go to a house of mourning
   than to go to a house of feasting,
for death is the destiny of everyone;
   the living should take this to heart.
3 Frustration is better than laughter,
   because a sad face is good for the heart.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
   but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure.
5 It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person
   than to listen to the song of fools.
6 Like the crackling of thorns under the pot,
   so is the laughter of fools.
   This too is meaningless.
 7 Extortion turns a wise person into a fool,
   and a bribe corrupts the heart.

 8 The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
   and patience is better than pride.
9 Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit,
   for anger resides in the lap of fools.

 10 Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?”
   For it is not wise to ask such questions.

 11 Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing
   and benefits those who see the sun.
12 Wisdom is a shelter
   as money is a shelter,
but the advantage of knowledge is this:
   Wisdom preserves those who have it.

 13 Consider what God has done:

   Who can straighten
   what he has made crooked?
14 When times are good, be happy;
   but when times are bad, consider this:
God has made the one
   as well as the other.
Therefore, no one can discover
   anything about their future.

 15 In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:

   the righteous perishing in their righteousness,
   and the wicked living long in their wickedness.
16 Do not be overrighteous,
   neither be overwise—
   why destroy yourself?
17 Do not be overwicked,
   and do not be a fool—
   why die before your time?
18 It is good to grasp the one
   and not let go of the other.
   Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes.[a]

 19 Wisdom makes one wise person more powerful
   than ten rulers in a city.

 20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
   no one who does what is right and never sins.

 21 Do not pay attention to every word people say,
   or you may hear your servant cursing you—
22 for you know in your heart
   that many times you yourself have cursed others.

 23 All this I tested by wisdom and I said,

   “I am determined to be wise”—
   but this was beyond me.
24 Whatever exists is far off and most profound—
   who can discover it?
25 So I turned my mind to understand,
   to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things
and to understand the stupidity of wickedness
   and the madness of folly.

 26 I find more bitter than death
   the woman who is a snare,
whose heart is a trap
   and whose hands are chains.
The man who pleases God will escape her,
   but the sinner she will ensnare.

 27 “Look,” says the Teacher, “this is what I have discovered:

   “Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things—
 28 while I was still searching
   but not finding—
I found one upright man among a thousand,
   but not one upright woman among them all.
29 This only have I found:
   God created mankind upright,
   but they have gone in search of many schemes.”
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 01:09:15 PM
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Quote from: "gwynned"
As always, this message is multilayered, so in suggesting the following, I'm not in any way negating everyone else's comments, which are very valid.  But what popped up for me is that the 'death date' is more important than the birth date.  Could this be a suggestion that we look more closely at the DATE of Michael's 'death'?  Or am I too far off base?


Good Point  :shock:   :?

Just a stab in the dark, but using inclusive reckoning, there are 555 days between 6/25/09 and 12/31/10.  We're probably all familiar with P Diddy's tweet now erased.  

Here are some meanings of 555 that I found on the internet:

555 - When you see this sign a life changing thought or event has just occurred. You may not like it, or you may. Whatever the case your Spirit Guides are notifying you that a change in your life path direction has just occurred and it is time for you to change too.  Move with it, follow these thoughts.

555 — You are in for a major change in your life. This could be any type of change and could seem negative at first glance. Maybe there are reasons it is time for you to move…neccessary for you to move but you haven’t been getting your but in gear. Change comes whether you cooperate with it or not. So possibly if you resisted the change of needing to move then possibly the change will come in the form of being required to move without a choice. At frist it all may seem distaerous and negative but could lead to the positive change that is needed.

555 Is an Odd-number which explains the Universe
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 01:51:49 PM
This website suprised me very much this morning and I agree that it is multilayered. Please read my other post from this morning on what I came up with using his death date:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=16859
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 01:59:18 PM
Great Scripture redirect (Thanks TS) & discussion esp concerning the death date...
I found some interesting info on 555:

Symbolism

    * Discernment of the spirits, both good and evil.
    * Desire, lust.
    * Swift attack.
    * An expression of emotion, laughing or crying.

History

Latakia, Syria is devastated by an earthquake in 555 AD. Latakia is the Biblical Laodicea which is addressed as one of the seven churches in Revelation. It's criticized for being neither hot or cold but lukewarm (Revelation 3:14-19). The Laodiceans are also referenced in Colossians. The Epistle to the Laodiceans mentioned in Colossians 4:14 is thought to have been lost.

Gematria

The Hebrew contraction הַנֶּ֨שֶׁר adds up to 555. הַנֶּ֨שֶׁר is translated as "an eagle" and is transliterated as hanesher. Not to be confused with the Hebrew נֶּ֨שֶׁר (nesher) which is translated as just "eagle" and has a sum of 550.

The specific structure which adds to 555 can be found in Proverbs 30 where it takes on a negative connotation when compared to "the way of a man with a maid" and "an adulterous woman [who claims] no wickedness" (Proverbs 30:19-20). This context evokes an image of lust and hidden sin.

It is said that an eagle will hover gracefully before attacking it's prey swiftly -- much like the lustful man hovering over his maid and the adulterous woman who makes quick work of her meal. The swift attack of an eagle (555) can also be found in Hosea 8:1, Deuteronomy 28:49, and Ezekiel 17:3. Interestingly, Israel Aircraft Industries developed the Nesher fighter plane in the 1970s; it was soon replaced by the U.S. made F-15 Eagle.

Isopsephy

The Greek διάκρισις adds up to 555. διάκρισις is translated as "discernment" and transliterated as diakrisis. See 1 Corinthians 12:10, Hebrews 5:14.
The Greek ἐπιθυμία adds up to 555. ἐπιθυμία is translated as "desire" or "lust" and is transliterated as epithumia. See Mark 4:19, Luke 22:15, James 1:15, 1 John 2:16-17, etc. From ἐπί epi "in" and θυμιάω thumiaó "to burn", with root θύω thuó "sacrifice", "slay", "kill".
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu555.php

The Number 555 - Walking with God

And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Genesis 5 (vs. 5)

The idea of walking - Heh KeyWord pic (Halekh = 55) - is closely related to the Number 5 (cf. Spoke 5 article Walking with God.
We also have a strong link to the Rulers of the Government, as discussed under the Number 550.

The Number 555
And Enoch walked [Gen 5.24]
The people who walked in darkness [Is 9.2]
Desire, lust [1Joh 2.16]
Discerning [G1253]
Hand of Israel [Jud 3.30]
The Eagle [Pro 30.19]
The Rulers
The kingdoms of nations [Is 13.4]
Before the king (Full) [Est 1.11]

 http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_555.asp
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 02:14:18 PM
 1958 -    
We're still at the dash.  The actual death date of Michael Jackson has not yet occurred. Until that fateful day -- that I hope is many decades in the future -- I pray his strength in the Lord.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 02:18:14 PM
Thank you TS.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 02:52:31 PM
Blessings to you TS! I just wanted to take this time to thank you for not giving up on us! I hope that the New year brings you Peace, LOVE, Health and Happiness! God Bless You for all you have done for us over the last year, I've learned so much from you, and I just wanted to make sure that you know how much I appreciate you! Happy New Year dear friend!
Sending you LOVE and LIGHT always! :P
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 03:55:14 PM
Hi TS  :)
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  :D

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 04:50:14 PM
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Hi TS  :)
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  :D

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?

I agree with your interpretation Sarahli - and I would even go further in saying that no sins can be justified by the need for money!  Reputation is everything and needs to be defended!
When Michael "died" many many millions showed their Love for him and this had nothing to do with "money" but with Michael's reputation as a genuine Loving and caring person.
Michael restoration of His reputation is well on the way.
The "Death Date" is indeed much more meaningful in this case as it can be proven to be no coincidence through numerology, Michael's birth date has been questioned a number of times but no conclusions were drawn.
I still find it fascinating that the Pepsi accident is EXACTLY mid way through Michael's "life"... and TS you have NEVER said anything about it, will you give me an answer if I ask You WHY?

Thank You for this redirect TS -->  :)  :)  

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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 04:59:34 PM
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Hi TS  :)
Very interesting comments...

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

I totally agree to not take anything for granted. A fat bank account can rapidly melt like snow under the sun. Wealths and powers have been destroyed since the beginning of time and if one built his/her life exclusively on the accumulation of the material things of this world then he has no share in what is everlasting. A good reputation is far better because not material and hence can't physically melt like snow under the sun, a good reputation is more solid than any material things.

The death date tells more because when you die this is the time where people recognizes the man or woman you really are/were. Death "materializes" the good reputation, it makes it more real, more present and of course missed.

Just my interpretation  :D

Now hoax related??  :lol:  Michael's "death" has shown that what is inscribed in the collective consciousness about Michael Jackson is very positive despite the damages done by tabloids and the media at large. The majority of the people love Michael, there's no denying it for me.

The second part emphasizes the fact that Michael's death date is numerology-stamped so yes it tells a LOT in terms of Michael being still alive and that it is all a hoax (6+25+2009=2040) ... but we know it already ... so this must be for something else ... what can this date tell us more than the fact that Michael is alive? The birth date tells something too maybe?

I agree with your interpretation Sarahli - and I would even go further in saying that no sins can be justified by the need for money!  Reputation is everything and needs to be defended!
When Michael "died" many many millions showed their Love for him and this had nothing to do with "money" but with Michael's reputation as a genuine Loving and caring person.
Michael restoration of His reputation is well on the way.
The "Death Date" is indeed much more meaningful in this case as it can be proven to be no coincidence through numerology, Michael's birth date has been questioned a number of times but no conclusions were drawn.
I still find it fascinating that the Pepsi accident is EXACTLY mid way through Michael's "life"... and TS you have NEVER said anything about it, will you give me an answer if I ask You WHY?

Thank You for this redirect TS -->  :)  :)  

With L.O.V.E

Thank you my dear  :)  Maybe that there's no "rational" hoaxy interpretation/explanation and that it is "just" DESTINY in all its splendor, which if confirmed (by TS??), only proves that God's hand is in all of this  ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 06:27:42 PM
Thank You TS
and Happy New Year to your and yours  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Thank you for the re-direct, TS- Happy New Year and all much Love, Faith, and Hope for the New Year. <3
I also liked E 7.8:
"The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
and patience is better than pride."
Thank you for all the patience and for reminding us of that value as well.

Thanks to all of you who help bring all those specs of lights into the darkess.  It's like each of you bringing a candle and brightening the darkness.

@ladymjc: Thanks for the great numerology analysis.  I am such an idiot at it- but you lay it out so even I can follow.  

I think the re-direct also points out that at birth- we have prediction and promise.  Upon death- we have a review of the life lost and a sort of evaluation of the promise given. As you guys pointed out, when Michael "died," the world saw an outpouring of love and refocusing on all he has given.  People who had been silent, stood up in their support and spoke out for him and their love for him.  One of the main lessons is to keep this message in our lives: to live each day in a way that would make us proud at the end.  Tomorrow is now; we need to lay the foundations now- every day, with every word and every action.  
My New Year's Resolution: to honor and appreciate every day the people and things that I have been blessed with in my life.  And to make sure that I live in a way that makes my life a blessing to others.  (well, as a social worker I do not have to worry about that wealth aspect- so I might as well continue to work on the reputation part..  ;) ) HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 07:15:17 PM
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Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

Since the redirection is made during this holidays, I have a doubt.

Could this quote relate to the date when Christ was born?
It is said that Jesus was born around September (if one follows the textes when comes to the shepperds i.e) and that the date December 25th was just settled.

Could this redirection point towards MJs birth date not being the correct one? So Michael´s really birth as a man living a life starts from June 25th 2009? a New Michael? Reborn after his death?

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Your death date tells more than your birth date.

In fact, we have learned and studied Michael ,the man, much more in detail after his death, we became to slowly know him, piece by piece.

June 25th is a new date telling who is Michael, a man better know by his actions than by his bankacount by now.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%207:1&version=MSG
Ecclesiastes 7:1 (The Message)

Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
 1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)

This is one of my favorite books in the Bible. That being say, the first thing that came to my mind is that the hoax is more about cleaning up Michael's reputation and bringing him back into good graces with the world than it is about making money.

And, what people do and say about you when you die is very telling in terms of how you are really thought of because people will tend to be more true to their honest feelings.

I think it's evident by the way the world reacted on June 25, 2009 that Michael is well loved around the world.

Quote from: "gwynned"
As always, this message is multilayered, so in suggesting the following, I'm not in any way negating everyone else's comments, which are very valid.  But what popped up for me is that the 'death date' is more important than the birth date.  Could this be a suggestion that we look more closely at the DATE of Michael's 'death'?  Or am I too far off base?

Agree with you both. Thank you for this redirect TS.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 07:48:45 PM
Prov. 22: 1 "more worth the good name that many riches, and the good reputation worth more than silver and gold"

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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 30, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
the Bible does not have nor a single record of birthday (if I am wrong that someone I created)
Is that it is not an important thing? The date of his death..., says more than your birth date.
Won't that birthday, it will be, holding, men commandments? What pagan customs adopted the churches of Christendom?, as for example 25 of dicienbre.
A good reputation is best one bank account, importantly as we will be remembered by our reputation and good works.

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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 12:17:26 AM
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Ecclesiastes 7
Don't Take Anything for Granted
  A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.

The Message (MSG)


So much wisdom in only a few words. A lot of wise comments already made here.
Only hours separate us from a new year, a time when people contemplate about the past year and think about what the new year might bring, and nobody knows.

Don't Take Anything for Granted
Things may not remain the way, they were before. Change can happen anytime, for the good or the bad.
We wish each other a Happy New Year in the hope of achieving happiness, peace and understanding and often we have to admit, we 'can't take anything for granted'.
If we follow the example of Elvis and Michael, we see two humble human beings who touched others just by their appearance and their inner light, their aura. Not everyone was able to see it, only the "enlightened", some only after their "deaths", when they suddenly realized, how much they had been mislead by reports, which had shed a bad light on the two of them, who had become victims of a bad press.
Their reputation was in shambles, they were called drug addicts, one even a pedophile. They suffered and were deeply hurt by all the wrong allegations.
Times have changed and the bad press seems very silent.
The symbolic Bible verses are cited, Jesus' suffering comes into our minds. He was crucified and ridiculed, but rose as a king.
Are our heroes prophets, sent our way to guide us and help us to see things in a clearer light? Quite a few said they have learned since their "death" occured, they have become more aware of things around them, have developed new pespectives in their own lives. Would anyone have told them they would have matured so much in such a short time, many would have brushed it aside in disbelief.

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A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.
Both Michael and Elvis had it all, 'a fat bank account' as well as debts. Leeches were around them bloodsucking them until they could hardly stand it anymore. There were reports of them having been threatened, "taken care of" by bodyguards, who treated them badly and took away their freedom. They were controlled in every move they made, not everyone had access to them. And why? Not, because those who did this to them, loved and cherished them. They were interested in having a fat share of their bank account.
Their good reputation had to be destroyed in order for the world to see what weak creatures they were.
I don't believe in any of the drug-addiction stories. They may have been drugged against their will.
Both were against drugs, only for medical purposes. They were fighting drugs, you never know, they might be doing it still undercover and had to have a new identity not to be detected.
They could buy everything money could buy, yet they felt, there was more to life than wealth. They were well-read and spiritually interested. The bloodsuckers and those who tried to harm them, wanted to prevent them from becoming too spiritual. They had to function as a money machine. Elvis' books should be burned and Michael's library was destroyed.

Naturally
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your death date tells more than your birth date.
You've left traces when you die, whereas your life-book is empty when you're born.
If the two had to escape from danger, still unknown to most, their new life, new identity began with their death date.
LMP's written words were that He Knew and that their death was following the exact same pattern and she was devastated. What did she mean? A lot of speculation had been going on to decipher the meaning.
Elvis and Michael had spent a long time of their lives on stage, being adored and seen as stars with an image created by their performance, their managers, their charisma.
It could have well been, they needed a break from the glitter and glamour, not to be burnt out too soon.
Many of us have experienced themselves in just one and half years, how much of a rollercoaster it can be.
They were in the limelight, every single move was watched and registrated, often misinterpretated.
The image had to be replaced by something else. If that was the case, their death date might have been the begining of a new awareness, a re-birth in order to survive, either literally or mentally.
If only we Knew.
Anyhow, whatever the reason for their disappearing was, I just hope they are safe now and have a good new year with all their dreams fulfilled.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 12:24:34 AM
Thank you, TS.  I'm beginning to realize how important this is to you.  I believe it has always been a main objective of the hoax, if not the only one.  A pearl of great price that must be the legacy left when the time does eventually come.  I wish you a peaceful and happy New Year spent with your family and friends and, as always, L.O.V.E.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 01:16:06 AM
I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

Come to think of it, he doesn't discuss the repeating 70 day periods either, that are clearly a pattern and not by random coincidence.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 01:19:06 AM
Thank you TS for the multi-layered message which has given me much food for thought (I'll comment on it later).  Also thank you to my wonderful hoax family for all your interesting interpretations of this redirect.  I learn so much from you all every day and I am hopefully wiser because of it  :)
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 03:05:34 AM
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So Michael´s really birth as a man living a life starts from June 25th 2009? a New Michael? Reborn after his death?
Yes right after the date chosen by the church to represent the date that Jesus was born, which actually had more to do with Solstace celebration. The world's perception of MJ has forever been defined by his death date, so it's a birth for MJ's new living in this world. Jesus in John 3 talks about being born again, rebirth in faith.

I love the book of Eccl. thanks TS, written by the wisest man Solomon, who had it all and so gained perspective on wealth and meaning in life. Hopefully we'll understand your reasons for posting it.

Apparantly there are only 3 mentions of a birthday in the Bible. All negative, so maybe that's why JW's don't celebrate them, and TS and MJ are both still mindful of their teaching.
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Birthdays in the Bible
Birthday celebrations are mentioned in the Bible on three separate occasions and, in each case, something terrible occurred. These three accounts bear brief examination.

The first account is in Genesis. Pharaoh, the Egyptian king, celebrated his birthday by executing his chief baker (Gen. 40:1-23). God gave Joseph special understanding of a dream by Pharaoh’s butler and baker, that the baker would lose his life three days after Joseph interpreted the dream. Joseph understood that Pharaoh would use this occasion—his own birthday party—to put his baker to death. As the dream had foretold, the baker was hung at the party.

In the second account, the New Testament figure Herod the tetrarch reluctantly ordered the beheading of John the Baptist (Matt. 14:3-11). Notice verse six: “But when Herod’s birthday was kept…” During the dancing and merry-making at his birthday party, Herod got carried away and eventually made a promise that he did not want to keep. As a result, a great servant of God lost his life.

The final account is found in the book of Job. The Bible says that Job’s seven sons “went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them” (Job 1:4). These parties were obviously not centered around any kind of celebration related to God, or Job would not have worried that his children may have sinned during these celebration feasts. He was not exactly sure what was going on in their minds, but the very celebration of their birthdays triggered great concern in him (1:5). Apparently, during the birthday party of Job’s oldest son, God allowed Satan to kill all ten of Job’s children through what appears to be a tornado (vs. 6-13, 18-19).

Further proof that these birthday celebrations displeased God is found in Job 3. Take time to read the entire chapter carefully. Job spends much time cursing every aspect of the day of his birth. The loss of all of his children, due to a birthday celebration, stunned and sobered him. His words make plain that there is nothing good about the day of a man’s birth. He openly cursed the day he was born. This will be shown to have greater meaning later in this article.
http://www.thercg.org/articles/abcc.html
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 06:30:16 AM
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I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 08:09:45 AM
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I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.
I agree with you and this is one of the easiest ways to explain your views with other people.
Thank you, TS.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 08:44:24 AM
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Quote from: "bec"
I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.


I don't think TS owes anyone an explanation. He has given us tons of information already and I firmly believe all will be revealed in due time. This is all planned and everything will come out when the time is there. And what should he say about it? That there are 9282 days before Pepsi and 9282 after? That the sum of 9282 makes 21 (=777)? That his B-day probably isn't really 8/29/1958, but that this date was created for the sake of the hoax? (I still haven't found anything related to this birthday before 1988) We already discussed all that and I think it's just not time to reveal certain things.

The message in this redirect is very true. Money can't buy love, money can't buy respect, money can't make you happy. Even if you have all the money in the world, you still have to whipe your own ass and you still can be the unhappiest and lonely person on the planet. Respect needs to be earned and a good reputation will be achieved when you deserve it, like Mike. He earned respect and he deserved his good reputation. He should be treated according to his deeds and he should have gotten a statue in Washington DC by now if you look at what he did for others and what he donated to charity. Instead of that they still try to discredit and trash him with their filthy lies. It's how it works in the world these days, and that is exactly why this hoax is so needed. To bring LOVE back into the world.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace"

TS, I hope you have a wonderful evening tonight and I wish you all the best for 2011. Please stay with us. I know we must give you a headache at times, but we mean well. Much love to you and thank you.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
I think it could be saying that our relationships or reputation with others is more significant than whether you have money. Also it could be saying that it helps you re-evaluate yourself if you ask yourself how will people view me?...you have no reputation at all when you are born but you do when you die.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 10:23:48 AM
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Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "bec"
I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.


I don't think TS owes anyone an explanation. He has given us tons of information already and I firmly believe all will be revealed in due time. This is all planned and everything will come out when the time is there. And what should he say about it? That there are 9282 days before Pepsi and 9282 after? That the sum of 9282 makes 21 (=777)? That his B-day probably isn't really 8/29/1958, but that this date was created for the sake of the hoax? (I still haven't found anything related to this birthday before 1988) We already discussed all that and I think it's just not time to reveal certain things.

You are right, Souza, of course TS owes us nothing. He/she even might have left this important revelation for us in order not to burden it with our doubts about his/her reliability, because he/she knows about its importance!?

It also beginns to dawn on me that TS might have told us about the "9282 days thing" in exactly the last paragraph, the 7th one (!) of his update 5'3.

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5-3. Seven Layers Embedded in]

Okay, so now it’s time to reveal another big “piece” in the “piece by piece” return process (see 5-5, below).  The title “THIS IS IT” has several layers of hoax information embedded in it; most are already aware of layers one and two, but the other layers will now be revealed for the first time.

Before going into the specific layers, notice that the title is the same forwards and backwards—except for the letter “H”.  Layers one and two are based upon the first letter of each word: “THIS IS IT”.  Layers three and four are based upon the other letters in the first word: “THIS IS IT”.  Layers five and six are based upon the only vowels in the title: “THIS IS IT”.  And layer seven is the other letters, which are not underlined in the previous layers: “THIS IS IT”.

Layer one: TII = THIS IS IT (which has more than one meaning: it means the “end”, or “death”; it also means “this is what MJ has been planning”, etc).

Layer two: TII = Thriller II (“II” for Roman numeral “2”); the real-life Thriller!

Layer three: starting with the “H” (which is unique, because it’s the only letter not repeated), you have a three-letter word “HIS”.  These same three letters were emphasized in the “HIStory: Past, Present, and Future” album in 1995 {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory}.  Layers three through six here all show that “THIS IS IT” has been in the planning since the early 1990’s (or before).

Layer four: Since “THIS IS IT” is nearly the same forwards and backwards: we look at these same three letters backwards (SIH), and find something very interesting.  If we use a very common system of putting a numerical value to each number (A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, etc), we come up with: S = 19; I = 9, and H = 8; 1998!  This is the same number that is on the “Dangerous” album cover in 1991 {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_(album); http://http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/710568}—and also the same number that MJ signed in various autographs {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7064}.  This fact should leave no doubt that 1998 is indeed a coded number which MJ intended for the TII death hoax.

Layer five: Using the same system of numerical values in layer four, we see that the only vowels in “THIS IS IT” are the letter “I” (= 9) three times—999!  This is yet another strong evidence of 9-9-09 and the hoax; and it is also another very strong connection between 1998 (layer four) and 999 (layer five).

Layer six: Notice that the font used for “THIS IS IT” is rather simple {http://http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/mj_final_show/mj_final_show_stage.jpg}, so that the “I” could be either the 9th letter of the alphabet (capital “I”, not lower case “i”)—or it also looks like a simple sans-serif number “1” {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_serif}.  Hence, the three vowels are also three numbers: 111.  One hundred and eleven is the length of the TII movie; and it is also the basis for all of the MJ hoax numerology: 333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998 {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=7124}.  The fact that all of these numbers can be divided evenly by 111 proves, with tsunami force, that it could not possibly be just the result of random chance—it positively had to be planned!  This also verifies that the Dangerous autograph formula is indeed three sixes, not “600” or “660”.

Layer seven: Other than the letter “H”, there are seven letters that read the same forwards and backwards: T I S I S I T.  Three of these letters are vowels (layers five and six); and the other four letters are two very interesting consonants, mirrored forwards and backwards.

That's what I read out of these phrases:

In the first sentence concerning layer 7, TS advises us to leave the vowel "I" out because it is a part of layer 5 and 6. This leaves only the letters TSST to layer 7.

In the last sentence he tells us to mirror these two "very interesting" (because self- referring  ;) ) consonants forwards and backwards. I interpret the mirroring forwards and backwards as an infinite process, which means that actually TSST could be represented by T S (sign of infinity).
TS and ST appear to be of the same gematrical value, because TS speakes of mirroring (the basis is the same picture or idea, the TS/21). This means that both TS and ST mean actually 21 and 21 which would equal the 9282 (=21) days from Michael Joseph Jackson's birth until the Pepsi hoax/accident and the 9282 (=21) days from this date until the date of his hoaxed death.

Another interesting effect of this mirroring process is:
The infinity sign in T S looks like a Möbius Strip, but also like 2 Os, or O2 (oxygen). (So we now might get an idea why the "This is it" concerts were planned to be held in the O2-Arena and also the announcement took place there.)  
And T S  can also be represented by 21. We know the significance of 2001 (Space Odysse Intro, Elvis' last concerts).
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
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I'm with you Running Girl. I too want to know about the 9282 days thing and why TS has never chosen to address it. It is 100% legit and it seems exactly TS's style so I'm surprised at the non-mention.

I agree with Running Girl and Bec. The "9282 days thing" is the ultimate hoax proof, it is easy to comprehend (much easier than other calculations that TS presented) and it is completely no coincidence. It shows that the life if Michael Joseph Jackson is "designed", I even said it is designed like the archaic shape of a pyramide (but nobody followed me with that so far).
Anyways, this "9282 days thing" is sooooo important and far-reaching in it's implications, but is has not been mentioned by TS yet. First I thought it was a test of TS if we can think for ourselves and figure it out without his/her direct help, but if it was, I think TS would have redirected to it someday at least or would have included it into his last update. But he/she didn't!!
I really appreciate TS's hard work, but this makes me unsure regarding his/her role in this hoax game and I would also approve a clarification.


I don't think TS owes anyone an explanation. He has given us tons of information already and I firmly believe all will be revealed in due time. This is all planned and everything will come out when the time is there. And what should he say about it? That there are 9282 days before Pepsi and 9282 after? That the sum of 9282 makes 21 (=777)? That his B-day probably isn't really 8/29/1958, but that this date was created for the sake of the hoax? (I still haven't found anything related to this birthday before 1988) We already discussed all that and I think it's just not time to reveal certain things.

You are right, Souza, of course TS owes us nothing. He/she even might have left this important revelation for us in order not to burden it with our doubts about his/her reliability, because he/she knows about its importance!?

It also beginns to dawn on me that TS might have told us about the "9282 days thing" in exactly the last paragraph, the 7th one (!) of his update 5'3.

Quote from: "TS"
5-3. Seven Layers Embedded in]

Okay, so now it’s time to reveal another big “piece” in the “piece by piece” return process (see 5-5, below).  The title “THIS IS IT” has several layers of hoax information embedded in it; most are already aware of layers one and two, but the other layers will now be revealed for the first time.

Before going into the specific layers, notice that the title is the same forwards and backwards—except for the letter “H”.  Layers one and two are based upon the first letter of each word: “THIS IS IT”.  Layers three and four are based upon the other letters in the first word: “THIS IS IT”.  Layers five and six are based upon the only vowels in the title: “THIS IS IT”.  And layer seven is the other letters, which are not underlined in the previous layers: “THIS IS IT”.

Layer one: TII = THIS IS IT (which has more than one meaning: it means the “end”, or “death”; it also means “this is what MJ has been planning”, etc).

Layer two: TII = Thriller II (“II” for Roman numeral “2”); the real-life Thriller!

Layer three: starting with the “H” (which is unique, because it’s the only letter not repeated), you have a three-letter word “HIS”.  These same three letters were emphasized in the “HIStory: Past, Present, and Future” album in 1995 {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory}.  Layers three through six here all show that “THIS IS IT” has been in the planning since the early 1990’s (or before).

Layer four: Since “THIS IS IT” is nearly the same forwards and backwards: we look at these same three letters backwards (SIH), and find something very interesting.  If we use a very common system of putting a numerical value to each number (A = 1, B = 2, C = 3, etc), we come up with: S = 19; I = 9, and H = 8; 1998!  This is the same number that is on the “Dangerous” album cover in 1991 {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_(album); http://http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/710568}—and also the same number that MJ signed in various autographs {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7064}.  This fact should leave no doubt that 1998 is indeed a coded number which MJ intended for the TII death hoax.

Layer five: Using the same system of numerical values in layer four, we see that the only vowels in “THIS IS IT” are the letter “I” (= 9) three times—999!  This is yet another strong evidence of 9-9-09 and the hoax; and it is also another very strong connection between 1998 (layer four) and 999 (layer five).

Layer six: Notice that the font used for “THIS IS IT” is rather simple {http://http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/mj_final_show/mj_final_show_stage.jpg}, so that the “I” could be either the 9th letter of the alphabet (capital “I”, not lower case “i”)—or it also looks like a simple sans-serif number “1” {http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_serif}.  Hence, the three vowels are also three numbers: 111.  One hundred and eleven is the length of the TII movie; and it is also the basis for all of the MJ hoax numerology: 333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998 {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=7124}.  The fact that all of these numbers can be divided evenly by 111 proves, with tsunami force, that it could not possibly be just the result of random chance—it positively had to be planned!  This also verifies that the Dangerous autograph formula is indeed three sixes, not “600” or “660”.

Layer seven: Other than the letter “H”, there are seven letters that read the same forwards and backwards: T I S I S I T.  Three of these letters are vowels (layers five and six); and the other four letters are two very interesting consonants, mirrored forwards and backwards.

That's what I read out of these phrases:

In the first sentence concerning layer 7, TS advises us to leave the vowel "I" out because it is a part of layer 5 and 6. This leaves only the letters TSST to layer 7.

In the last sentence he tells us to mirror these two "very interesting" (because self- referring  ;) ) consonants forwards and backwards. I interpret the mirroring forwards and backwards as an infinite process, which means that actually TSST could be represented by T S (sign of infinity).
TS and ST appear to be of the same gematrical value, because TS speakes of mirroring (the basis is the same picture or idea, the TS/21). This means that both TS and ST mean actually 21 and 21 which would equal the 9282 (=21) days from Michael Joseph Jackson's birth until the Pepsi hoax/accident and the 9282 (=21) days from this date until the date of his hoaxed death.

Another interesting effect of this mirroring process is:
The infinity sign in T S looks like a Möbius Strip, but also like 2 Os, or O2 (oxygen). (So we now might get an idea why the "This is it" concerts were planned to be held in the O2-Arena and also the announcement took place there.)  
And T S  can also be represented by 21. We know the significance of 2001 (Space Odysse Intro, Elvis' last concerts).



Good post  :shock:   this thing is getting way to complicated for me :?
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 11:13:38 AM
Actually, I am finally getting it--especially the TS ST part--a major clue for 9282.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 12:10:52 PM
Interesting observation. I think there are also many layers in TS' words... 8-)
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: December 31, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Thank you TS for helping to make this message plain to us.
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Re: TIAI 12/30

  • on: January 13, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
1 A good reputation is better than a fat bank account. Your death date tells more than your birth date.



I may be off here, but I actually think T.S. is trying to tell us that June 25th was chosen, because it is exactly 6 months after the article that prophesied that Michael had only 6 months to live.
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