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TIAI December 19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 10:51:43 AM
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
I admit, I was unwilling to consider the Elvis connection in a significant way until recently.  I've been reading and studying on my own and I finally get it.  Loud and clear.  The Elvis/MJ connection is quite astounding, yet very simple, when you think about it.    

There are some complex factors involved and I don't need to get into all that, but in the most basic way, if we believe that MJ was of sound mind and body (and I do), and that he was not addicted to drugs, why would he have ever told LMP that he would "end up like Elvis."    And why would she say, as she reports in her blog on 6/26/09, that "I told Michael it wasn't a good idea."   I don't think that would be a natural response or choice of words if someone tells you they might die of an overdose.  I just can't see saying, "you think you're going to die of an overdose?  Well, honey, that's not a good idea."   :lol:

Plus, we know that MJ faked his death.  He knew he would do it  so why would he say he'd end up like Elvis if it wasn't hoax related?  In another thread I was reflecting on MJ's thoughts about his faith and sense of duty to God. This has always been important to MJ.   It's impossible for me to believe that he would abandon his love of God to look into the future and think, "I'm going to die recklessly."  Let alone, to say this to his wife who he wants to have his children.  Would he have been that callous to tell this to LMP knowing that he would not live to raise his children?  Doesn't seem possible in the least.

And, I do understand the numerology.  I've never ignored the fact that numbers appear important to MJ in several instances.  You have to consider its importance when someone puts  numbers on their stage props, their clothes, their signatures and autographs.  I'm now learning that numerology was important to Elvis too.  Hmmmm.

I also watched the interview in 2003 with LMP on LKL.  King asked LMP if Elvis talks to her. She became visibly nervous. I don't see why.  I've been asked this before about my father who passed away and it's not an uncomfortable question, imo. I thought she was going to bolt out the room!  LKL meant in some sort of clairvoyant way does she feel his presence or talk to her father in a spiritual sense.    She stuttered to say that she couldn't answer that.  Very curious indeed.

Thank you, TS.

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
I agree with SoldierofLOVE that the MJ/Elvis connection is quite easy to see if one takes a few minutes to make a couple comparisons.  Why so many people just want to dismiss these connections makes no sense to me.  Unless they can't believe Elvis has been alive these past 33 years and never came back publicly and are afraid MJ will never come back too.  But that's the difference between these two faked deaths - Michael is planning to come back, and in a big way I'm sure.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 11:07:29 AM
I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 11:31:55 AM
I guess this is not with TS, I have never questioned the parallels between Michael and Elvis, even though I knew nothing of all this stuff about Elvis a few months ago that started all this.

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 11:37:52 AM
My respect for you TS has grown due to your response to the criticism and skepticism. I am impressed with how you have handled the situation and conducted yourself.

Thank you for seeing it through.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 01:07:56 PM
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I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I have felt we are "missing something" as well. Can't put my finger on it. But if I do I'll let you know  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 01:12:39 PM
Thanks TS, good to have you back and guiding us along, if we've missed an important part of the puzzle I don't think it'll be long before someone here figures it out, look at all we've already discovered/unearthed! ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
This was a very great post by SoldierOfLove.  ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 04:17:17 PM
Thank you TS! Quite simple and quite clear. Is it really that hard to believe there are two kings in this hoax? I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  If we believe michael hoaxed his death, why can't we believe  elvis did too? And if that's the case, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there would obviously be connections. Michael studied the greats. I think it's obvious people in general fascinate him. A man who faked his death and stayed "dead" would be awfully intriguing to michael, wouldn't you say?


Oh and TS I'm just so happy and grateful for whatever you post and whenever you redirect. Thanks for not giving up on us when you've been pushed up against a wall. I've still got open arms for you.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 04:34:30 PM
Thank you SOL for this well presented comment. I don't really know what to say apart from the fact the the Elvis parallel is UNDENIABLE  :D  God bless you all.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:08:13 PM
Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?

With L.O.V.E

PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:13:49 PM
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Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:20:10 PM
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Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
And I heard somewhere that TS is a girl right?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
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Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
And I heard somewhere that TS is a girl right?

Where? I think that's only an assumption because TS never said if he's male or female. I think TS is a man, too patient to be a woman :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:46:23 PM
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Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
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Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
And I heard somewhere that TS is a girl right?

Where? I think that's only an assumption because TS never said if he's male or female. I think TS is a man, too patient to be a woman :lol:

Haha...good point  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:49:09 PM
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Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "TheRunningGirl"
Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
And I heard somewhere that TS is a girl right?

Where? I think that's only an assumption because TS never said if he's male or female. I think TS is a man, too patient to be a woman :lol:
OH no he/she never said....someone here said it ..and yes it was that user's thought...which made me think that what if indeed it's a woman...
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 05:50:06 PM
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Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "TheRunningGirl"
Thank You TS,

Credit to you for your patience and perseverance, lesser others would have given up a long time ago but despite all the critics and skepticism that came your way, you are still here standing and helping us understand the facts and the message. It says a lot about you TS.

The Elvis connection was made on the first day of the Hoax by LMP on her Myspace page.
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As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.

--Lisa Marie Presley 6/26/09

Whilst I always saw the parallels between MJ and Elvis, I have to admit that I only recently started to accept that Elvis is likely to be Jesse and be alive; until then I thought it was a Hoax within the MJ Hoax... and I was reluctant to get too far into the rabbit hole.
It is true that we may be missing important elements of the connection as Souza pointed out, the question is which ones?
PS. And thank you SoldierofLOVE for your post.


I keep forgetting that part in LMP's blog...those two words are capitalized for no apparent reason...has to be intentional. I have always thought that TS could very well be  Elvis himself or someone in the "Elvis camp" instead of someone close to Michael. Or it could be both, like Lisa Marie herself. Also let's not forget how many times she brought up the Elvis connection in her interview with Oprah.. she was being so obvious!
And I heard somewhere that TS is a girl right?

NOBODY has come with any proofs to reveal TS identity... I heard some unproven claims by wolves in sheep clothing who could not back-up their claim with any one evidence - Fakes never can!  They are the Harry Potter equivalent of Dementors.
TS is whoever TS is! This does have no impact on this investigation, we all have the choice to investigate as we wish and interact with whoever we wish to interact with... as far as it is done with RESPECT.

With L.O.V.E

PS: And Yes! Too Patient to be a Woman! ---> I 100% agree! ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
Thanks everyone for commenting.  Thanks TS for the redirect which I think is meant to show how hoaxers like me are sometimes very slow to come around to important information.    :oops:   I appreciate the persistence.

I've never been an Elvis fan and that might be a generational or cultural thing.  I was a child in California when Jackson 5 came on the scene... Flower power, Black power, etc.  I grew up hearing that Elvis was a racist. I never looked into whether that was true or not, I just didn't give it alot of thought. I had a belief that Elvis was a talented entertainer and nothing more.   It's only now that I pay attention to the fact that he was deeply spiritual and into metaphysics, well-read, and in law enforcement.  It is this last 'eye-opener' that gives me pause.  

In thinking about the many parallels pertaining to a death hoax, that I've made a long list of -- and there are threads here about that as well,  we should carefully consider Souza's question about what we might be missing...

I'm curious to hear what you all think about what might be missing.  TS, a redirect in this regard would be very helpful, please.   Here's what I want to know ( unless it puts MJ in danger.  I do believe there are some things we probably shouldn't openly investigate in order to protect MJ so I put this out here cautiously and will understand if the trail goes cold and I need to investigate or observe quietly:

When it comes to Michael, is Elvis friend or foe?  Please don't be angry by my asking that but I honestly don't know the answer and perhaps I haven't yet read enough... It's interesting that Elvis wrote to Nixon to ask to be of federal service (in a Republican administration although Elvis reportedly worked for Carter too?) Elvis was anti-drugs and anti-communism.  Prior to Nixon appointment of Elvis in an official capacity, Elvis worked in law enforcement for police agencies in Memphis, Denver, Los Angeles...  
LA's law enforcement is CORRUPT under no uncertain terms.  Was Elvis a Republican? A conservative?  There's a letter where he says he was no friend of hippies, Black Panthers, etc. basically anything considered anti-establishment during the age of COINTELPRO.  Yet, he had close friends like Muhammad Ali and Jesse Jackson.  hmmm.  He also had an undercover officer pose as a his band member...  Maybe his friendships were "strategic".

Military, law enforcement, metaphysical, southern white male in the music industry.  Does this mean Elvis was/Jesse is, pro-NWO and Illuminati or did his hoax mean he did not want to play along with the industry's game? Certainly he was uber exposed to these forces.   Is this why Elvis/Jesse has such a keen connection to numerology? There could be other reasons why he's attracted to that - as I am interested in it and learning much these days -
and MJ is interested too,  but to what end is Elvis' involvement in it?  Which path?

Whereas, Michael is anti-drugs too but is he also anti law-enforcement and anti-NWO?   Is this where Elvis/MJ parallels end?  In writing this, I am reminded of a series I loved on Showtime called Carnival.  The war of good and evil during the Dust Bowl era depicted by two men warring for the control of minds and hearts.    Anybody familiar with it?  Sadly, it was only on for two seasons.

Anyway, I'm struck by the number of people close to Elvis who seem very clear that Elvis was a racist when it came to interracial dating, marriage and bi-racial children.  Is this true? IDK.  What was his reaction to the MJ/LMP marriage?  Did Elvis/Jesse work with law enforcement against MJ?  Did MJ figure it out, get rid of LMP and plot his escape that cleverly looks like Elvis' escape but not to the same end?  Is MJ mocking Elvis or are they on the same team for good against evil?

Forgive me if this has been covered and I've missed it.  I warned you I was slow but not obtuse so please bear with me and let's talk!  ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
That was such a great post SOL and very true. I do understand the fact that people do not want to interest in Elvis that much as they are not his fans. But the parallel btw MJ and Elvis Hoaxes are undeniable.

It's great to see you started redirecting again TS. Thank you so much for your patience and devotion. I'm so grateful.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 09:01:10 PM
WOW EXCELLENT POST  SoldierofLOVE

And Thank You TS for the redirect and staying with us.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Thanks everyone for commenting.  Thanks TS for the redirect which I think is meant to show how hoaxers like me are sometimes very slow to come around to important information.    :oops:   I appreciate the persistence.

I've never been an Elvis fan and that might be a generational or cultural thing.  I was a child in California when Jackson 5 came on the scene... Flower power, Black power, etc.  I grew up hearing that Elvis was a racist. I never looked into whether that was true or not, I just didn't give it alot of thought. I had a belief that Elvis was a talented entertainer and nothing more.   It's only now that I pay attention to the fact that he was deeply spiritual and into metaphysics, well-read, and in law enforcement.  It is this last 'eye-opener' that gives me pause.  

In thinking about the many parallels pertaining to a death hoax, that I've made a long list of -- and there are threads here about that as well,  we should carefully consider Souza's question about what we might be missing...

I'm curious to hear what you all think about what might be missing.  TS, a redirect in this regard would be very helpful, please.   Here's what I want to know ( unless it puts MJ in danger.  I do believe there are some things we probably shouldn't openly investigate in order to protect MJ so I put this out here cautiously and will understand if the trail goes cold and I need to investigate or observe quietly:

When it comes to Michael, is Elvis friend or foe?  Please don't be angry by my asking that but I honestly don't know the answer and perhaps I haven't yet read enough... It's interesting that Elvis wrote to Nixon to ask to be of federal service (in a Republican administration although Elvis reportedly worked for Carter too?) Elvis was anti-drugs and anti-communism.  Prior to Nixon appointment of Elvis in an official capacity, Elvis worked in law enforcement for police agencies in Memphis, Denver, Los Angeles...  
LA's law enforcement is CORRUPT under no uncertain terms.  Was Elvis a Republican? A conservative?  There's a letter where he says he was no friend of hippies, Black Panthers, etc. basically anything considered anti-establishment during the age of COINTELPRO.  Yet, he had close friends like Muhammad Ali and Jesse Jackson.  hmmm.  He also had an undercover officer pose as a his band member...  Maybe his friendships were "strategic".

Military, law enforcement, metaphysical, southern white male in the music industry.  Does this mean Elvis was/Jesse is, pro-NWO and Illuminati or did his hoax mean he did not want to play along with the industry's game? Certainly he was uber exposed to these forces.   Is this why Elvis/Jesse has such a keen connection to numerology? There could be other reasons why he's attracted to that - as I am interested in it and learning much these days -
and MJ is interested too,  but to what end is Elvis' involvement in it?  Which path?

Whereas, Michael is anti-drugs too but is he also anti law-enforcement and anti-NWO?   Is this where Elvis/MJ parallels end?  In writing this, I am reminded of a series I loved on Showtime called Carnival.  The war of good and evil during the Dust Bowl era depicted by two men warring for the control of minds and hearts.    Anybody familiar with it?  Sadly, it was only on for two seasons.

Anyway, I'm struck by the number of people close to Elvis who seem very clear that Elvis was a racist when it came to interracial dating, marriage and bi-racial children.  Is this true? IDK.  What was his reaction to the MJ/LMP marriage?  Did Elvis/Jesse work with law enforcement against MJ?  Did MJ figure it out, get rid of LMP and plot his escape that cleverly looks like Elvis' escape but not to the same end?  Is MJ mocking Elvis or are they on the same team for good against evil?

Forgive me if this has been covered and I've missed it.  I warned you I was slow but not obtuse so please bear with me and let's talk!  ;)
SoldierofLOVE,

I am going to try and address your concerns. I can not speak on whether or not Elvis is or was a racist. I have no clue. I do believe if he ever was, he is not now. He is 70 something years old now, I think he is ok with blacks.  ;)

I do not know of his political affiliation. I suppose that doesn't matter now either due to his age. I do believe he was in law enforcement. I do believe he is anti- NWO. I do believe Michael is anti-NWO. I do believe that they are friends. I have posted some material regarding factions. Government spy type stuff.

This "hoax" is deeper than most people realize. There are alot of truths unfolding. This is Gods work and design. Michael and Elvis/Jesse are essential in this plan.

[youtube:87jz1qzt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd6ejKfzEdw[/youtube:87jz1qzt]
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June 24th STAR - (AT YOUR NEWSTAND NOW! BUY ONE!)

ELVIS BLASTS SCIENTOLOGY: 'That s.o.b. group - all they want is my money'

Troubled Lisa Marie Presley has been living under the iron grip of Scientology - and friends fear she may be a danger to herself. Warning flags went up when Lisa Marie, 29, was hospitalized recently near her Florida home with stomach, liver and bronchial infections, soon after undergoing a grueling Scientology ritual known as "cleansing."

Now a special STAR investigation in Lisa Marie's bizarre life inside the "church" reveals the disturbingly lonely existence of Elvis' only child.

Among the most troubling discoveries:

*Lisa Marie had a cholesterol count so high, doctors feared she could end up having a stroke or heart attack.

*She is under constant observation from church members who virtually never leave her alone. One Scientologist pal even climbed into her hospital bed with her.

*Lisa Marie's life in Scientology is dangerous, according to an attorney for a former member, whose family is suing the church, blaming Scientology for her death at the age of 36.

*Old friends of Elvis are concerned about Lisa Marie's obsessive involvement in Scientology - especially since the King was one of the most vocal critics of the group before he died in 1977.

Despite this, his ex-wife Priscilla was persuaded by John Travolta to join the church just a couple of years after the King's death. Lisa Marie was taken along too.

This year, Lisa moved into a three-story house situated on a bay in Clearwater, Florida - one of the home bases for Scientology.

Sources say Lisa Marie paid $1.5 million for the house at 1100 North Osceola Ave. because she desperately wanted to live close to the church. It was in that house that she collapsed in pain and was eventually taken to nearby Morton Plant Hospital, not long after undergoing the Scientology "cleansing" ritual.

During her hospital stay, STAR has learned that the 100-lb. young woman had an alarmingly high cholesterol level of 490. Doctors say healthy cholesterol levels usually average around 200.

The Scientology cleansing program can consist of ingesting megadoses of vitamins and sitting for hours in saunas, which can cause dehydration.

According to Dr. Victor Herbert, a professor at New York's Mount Sinai hospital, starvation and malnutrition can dramatically increase cholesterol levels.

"If these conditions continue, it can be life-threatening," says Herbert. "It can cause blood clotting, heart attacks and strokes. She is killing herself."

Doctors also discovered that Lisa Marie is suffering from Epstein Barr syndrome, also known as Chronic Fatigue syndrome, and energy-sapping ailment that doctors have found difficult to explain. Cher, Nicollette Sheridan and Peggy Lipton are just some of the stars who have been plagued by the baffling illness that leads to an inability to concentrate, overwhelming fatigue, sore throats and muscle pain.

One of the strongest warnings against Scientology has come from the family of Lisa McPherson, who lived on the same street as Lisa Marie - and who they say died at the hands of church members.

McPherson's strange death has had Clearwater up in arms for months.

The woman's dehydrated body was delivered to a hospital 30 miles away by a van load of church members. Answers to why she died have never been forthcoming. According to police, this is what happened:

A Dallas native, the 36-year-old McPherson was involved in a minor traffic accident in the city. She wasn't hurt, but she bizarrely removed all her clothes at the scene, saying, "I need help. I need to talk to someone."

Police took her to Morton Plant Hospital for psychiatric evaluation, but within an hour a group of Scientologists turned up at her bedside. Despite a doctor's protests, they persuaded her to sign herself out, saying they would take care of her at their headquarters, the Fort Harrison Hotel.

Seventeen days later, on Dec. 5, 1995, a Scientology van delivered McPherson's body to a small hospital in New Port Richey. The emergency room doctor who handled the case is a member of the sect.

An autopsy showed that McPherson-who was heavily dehydrated-died of a thrombo-cmbolism, a blood clot in the chest.

Medical Examiner Joan Wood said McPherson had had no fluids for several days and was unconscious for at least two days before she died.

Her family is suing the church. Clearwater police are investigating her death, and a source close to the investigation says he believes arrests will be made within a couple of months.

Ken Dandar, the lawyer representing McPherson's family, tells STAR from his office in Tampa:

"My recommendation to any Scientologist would be to get out as fast as you can."

He says Lisa McPherson was trying to get out when she died, and claims in the lawsuit her death was caused by a church technique called "introspection rundown."

"In such cases the Scientologists follow a program of keeping the person in isolation till they snap out of it. But Lisa would not listen to them, and her health went down and down and down until she slipped into a coma."

Old friends of Elvis are concerned about Lisa Marie's obsessive involvement in Scientology - especially since the King was one the most vocal critics of the group before he died in 1977.

Lamar Fike, who was part of Elvis' "Memphis mafia," says: "He stayed away from Scientology like it was a cobra. He'd s*** a brick if he knew how far Lisa's gotten into it."

The Scientologists once tried to recruit Elvis, Fike says. He recalls that Elvis fumed: "The hell with those people. There's no way I'll ever get involved with that s.o.b. group. All they want is my money."

The Scientologists are with Lisa Marie virtually every day According to sources, one Scientologist pal even climbed into the hospital bed with her.

"This scruffy looking blond-haired guy was with her all the time," says an insider. "He would always be in bed with her whenever anyone went in. He would be wearing his dirty worn-out jeans and flannel shirt, but all she would have on was one of the skimpy hospital gowns.

"Nurses and other staff would walk in and he'd have his arm around her or cradling her head, and they'd be whispering with their faces close together.

"He was on top of the cover usually, and she'd be half hanging out from under the cover with just the gown on.

"They slept together nearly every night. He'd be there in bed with her at night and still be there at four in the morning."

Observers say Lisa Marie is regularly whisked to nearby church buildings in a blue Chevrolet van. Anyone who gets too close is surrounded by uniformed Scientologist security guards and pressured to move on.

Sources say Lisa Marie had hopes for a recording career and planned on releasing a record to coincide with the 20th anniversary of her father's death in August. But she gave up on the dream of becoming a singer after she heard that record company insiders were panning the recording.

Now she has made Scientology and her children - Danielle, 8, and Ben, 4 - the focus of her life.

Lisa Marie stands to inherit $100 million on her 30th birthday, next February 1. Friends fear she will be pressured into giving much of it to the Scientology sect.

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by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:29 pm

I am taking a shot in the dark and a guess at what might be the important connection and why TS is hinting so strongly at Elvis/ Michael parallels.

I am thinking it has alot to do with spirituality, numerology, and coming back as a different person. Michael is evolving from The king of Pop to a leader of The Army Of Love, etc. I am sure more...

Maybe the comparisons are to show that since Elvis gave up his old life so his brother could live, he had asked Linda if people would understand this?
Maybe Michael wants to know the same thing, will people understand him being a different person?

Jesse/Elvis wrote his book to explain to his fans why he did what he did, and he has seen the reactions of the people over the years and he has seen how people have used his name to make money. Now it seems like he wants to set these rumours, and money hungry dogs straight.

Perhaps that is what is going on with Michael, he is watching our reactions and he sees the rumours and the dirty dogs making money off his name. Perhaps he would like to set records straight too.

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13294

The Back Lash to The Presley Estate, Lisa, her mother, and Scientology is Huge!
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14844&p=249440#p249440

This is about the factions and alot of good info on law enforcement connections to Michael. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14140&p=239909#p239085
I posted above Reference threads with research material on the Scientology Cult. References on the factions.

There are some things that once you read enough about Michael and Elvis you can start reading between the lines. Also you will begin to understand that this is it! This really is about the final curtain call. Remember Elvis and Michael believe in the theory of 2012 and EOW..

I hope this helps.

Peace


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Furthermore, all who believe in God should also realize that He is fully capable of protecting both Elvis and MJ. And if MJ did not have a strong faith in God’s protection, he would’ve never planned any BAM at all. “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18). Remember: It’s All For LOVE!

I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
@i'm convinced.  Perfect.  I've been reading your other very astute posts on this subject, which are extremely helpful.  What you've posted here is exactly where I wanted this to take me and thank you for answering my questions so efficiently. Scientology had popped in my mind for a sec but I'd forgotten about it.  I'm hearing everything you're sharing loud and clear.  Thank you for saying that MJ and Elvis/Jesse are friends...  That's comforting.   Yes, I'm seeing just how deep this is.   I'm going to start reading all you've put here and will talk to you soon.    Bless you!  Grazie.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 19, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
I have to say my favorite part of this whole post is:
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
I've been reading and studying on my own and I finally get it.  Loud and clear.  
 :D

That's all... just kidding.  We HAVE to study for ourselves, independently, outside of this site, outside of the forum member blogs.   I refuse to surround myself with people who will support my findings.  I want to know all views and I want to decide for TRUTH... whatever that may be, whether I like what that TRUTH is or not.

2 Tim 4:3-4 says "For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths."  

Also I saw a TMZ stating Scientology won't leave me alone! http://http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/16/shayne-lamas-the-bachelor-church-of-scientology-bill-letter-lawyer-nik-richie-the-dirty/ and I made a mental note to start searching into Elvis, MJ, and scientology as my gut was telling me I need to dig here.  Then @Im_convincedmjalive posts a YT clip saying Elvis and Scientology.... I haven't watched it yet but I believe this is where the connecting the dots comes in.  Some of the things I believe we need to really grasp and connect together include (but are not limited to) Elvis, MJ, our governments, corruption, religion, false gods, scientology, media, media blackouts, strategic broadcasting, fear vs faith, music industry, hollywood, multinational corporations, the food industry, etc. and how the whole world works together to keep people enslaved but in such a way that we have the illusion of being free.  I truly believe that when we really have our eyes opened we are going to have one of two reactions.  Fear or faith.  Those without a spiritual belief will be fearful.  Those with a spiritual belief will know Who has their back... no matter what happens.

I agree with all of you who know that this is more than meets the eye... this is a spiritual battle.  What we are in the middle of is HUGE!!!

And for the record, my truth is still that MJ is ALIVE!!!  :D
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Fantastic post SOL!  And, as always, great to feel your presence TS...you're like a warm, hot chocolate (with marshmallows) on a cold, snowy night  :P

I, too, believe that there is much we have missed and that there are levels to this hoax which we are just beginning to grasp.  The more I read, the more I see and the more I shed my 'old skin'...the more I realize that this isn't big, this is stratospheric!  Grab hold and enjoy the ride  8-)

I wanted to post this cause I was reminded of it after reading TS' last update.  It's Plato's Allegory of the Cave and I think it speaks volumes...

[youtube:34i22tsc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfRdl3GTw4&feature=related[/youtube:34i22tsc]

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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Quote from: "~Souza~"
I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I agree. I'm starting to think that TS might be Elvis himself... :?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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I think you would be prettly close in assuming TS could be Elvis himself..

Some things that may not have been discussed before is that Elvis predicted his own death date....

At his last concert, he wore a white jumpsuit, with the specially designed mayan calander on the from and back.

On the back of his jumpsuit, you can clearly see the points on the mayan calender...it has 16 outer points marking the day, 8 inner points indicating the month....Elvis died August  16th, 1977.

MJ wore his famouse Lion with wings red shirt, with 3x 7's especially designed on it.

Just thought I'd throw that in if any of you are interested....


http://pakalahau.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... 3-part-ii/
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I agree. I'm starting to think that TS might be Elvis himself... :?
or maybe LMP.......
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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On the back of his jumpsuit, you can clearly see the points on the mayan calender...it has 16 outer points marking the day, 8 inner points indicating the month....Elvis died August  16th, 1977.

That's new to me, thanks for sharing!
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "jono"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I agree. I'm starting to think that TS might be Elvis himself... :?
or maybe LMP.......

I don't think it could be LMP. Unfortunately she is too much involved with Scientology  :roll:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Quote from: "2good2btrue"
I think you would be prettly close in assuming TS could be Elvis himself..

Some things that may not have been discussed before is that Elvis predicted his own death date....

At his last concert, he wore a white jumpsuit, with the specially designed mayan calander on the from and back.

On the back of his jumpsuit, you can clearly see the points on the mayan calender...it has 16 outer points marking the day, 8 inner points indicating the month....Elvis died August  16th, 1977.

MJ wore his famouse Lion with wings red shirt, with 3x 7's especially designed on it.

Just thought I'd throw that in if any of you are interested....


http://pakalahau.wordpress.com/2009/07/ ... 3-part-ii/


Lets see: http://starroot.com/cgi/daycalc.pl
Put in Elvis deathdate and do a reading.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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According to Lord Pakal, Elvis was definitely in tune with the 2012 Maya Prophecy.


On July 22, 2009, there will be a total solar eclipse, the longest of the 21st Century. Although Lord Pakal has never been a fan of Elvis or has collected memorabilia or records, he has made arrangements to visit Elvis Presley’s grave in Memphis, Tennessee, on that day.

There are some open questions to this article: Is Lord Pakal covering the truth in his diary and prefers to call it an apparition instead of a physical personal encounter with Elvis? Then, Is Elvis’ death an incredible hoax? Did Pakal meet the real Elvis in Memphis, Tennessee as he said after the apparition of the crop circles? Was Elvis captured by aliens as he said their world is not my world? Although we know Pakal travelled to Memphis he has never commented what happened then… Long live the King!UPDATE FROM THE EDITOR: According to FoxNews, The King will have his very own casino on the Las Vegas Strip. FX Real Estate and Entertainment is the company that owns the rights to his name and image, and they have big plans.

The project will cost well over 3 billion dollars, and is scheduled to begin in 2009, and end in 2012. You can read more in this article. Was Elvis right to his words to Lord Pakal Ahau? This is an amazing prediction story as we wrote this article with anticipation to the recent news. Thanks Lord Pakal!

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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.
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And an eclipse of moon, 2:10 a.m., hour of Venezuela

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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.


Tomorrow, 12/21/2010 is a total lunar eclipse.

The photo of Elvis with the Mayan calendar on his clothes is very interesting.  Thanks for that 2good...  I'm learning so much about him!

@Imconvinced: I appreciate the references and clarification re: Elvis/Jesse.  Very helpful.  I'd forgotten about The Factions, which I'd read awhile ago.  Good to be reminded about that.  Back to Connecting the Dots...   Spiritual Warfare.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Quote from: "~Souza~"
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Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.


Tomorrow, 12/21/2010 is a total lunar eclipse.

Yes, that too. And it's 12/21, half way the 4 years as mentioned in TII.
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NASA reports that this is the first time an eclipse has coincided with a solstice since December 21, 1638, and the next one won't come around again until 2094. The extravaganza in the sky doesn't end there, however, as the Ursids meteor shower will also be taking place.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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Quote from: "Glinda"
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.

No wonder I have been howling the whole day.....
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I agree. I'm starting to think that TS might be Elvis himself... :?
or maybe LMP.......

NOBODY NOTICED IT
[youtube:2ayafis6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuLKz3ZvLwQ&feature=related[/youtube:2ayafis6]

I heard broken footsteps
Was that you limping
Well, I wish that I had spent just a little bit more time with you

Tears on my ceiling
Weren't you watching
Well, I guess none of us will ever know what comes after this

You're still lovely
You were lovely then
All that you had to endure
I guess nobody noticed it

I know your resemblance
It's out there walking
And I wanted you to know that I haven't forgotten

Well, they tried to make you look broken
But not while I'm living
'cause I wanted you to know that
I heard what you said while it was raining

You're still lovely
You were lovely then
All that you had to endure
I guess nobody noticed it

You made me. I love you and
Did you know nothing has changed
And now everyone they notice it
Everyone notices

You're still lovely
You were lovely then
All that you had to endure
I guess nobody noticed it

You made me. I love you and
Did you know nothing has changed
And now everyone they notice it
Everyone notices
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:35:00 PM
Quote
Gema wrote:

~Souza~ wrote:
Glinda wrote:
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.

No wonder I have been howling the whole day.....

 :lol:  :lol:

Is that why this country convulsed dawned today, there are protests everywhere, now I'm caught in my work and unable to go to lunch.

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:39:23 PM
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Quote
Gema wrote:

~Souza~ wrote:
Glinda wrote:
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.

No wonder I have been howling the whole day.....

 :lol:  :lol:

Is that why this country convulsed dawned today, there are protests everywhere, now I'm caught in my work and unable to go to lunch.


What's happening where you live, Paula?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:40:04 PM
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Quote
Gema wrote:

~Souza~ wrote:
Glinda wrote:
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.

No wonder I have been howling the whole day.....

 :lol:  :lol:

Is that why this country convulsed dawned today, there are protests everywhere, now I'm caught in my work and unable to go to lunch.

La Loba Atrapada (Venezuelan soap)  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:52:31 PM
Quote
Gema wrote:

paula-c wrote:
Gema wrote:

~Souza~ wrote:
Glinda wrote:
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.

No wonder I have been howling the whole day.....

 

Is that why this country convulsed dawned today, there are protests everywhere, now I'm caught in my work and unable to go to lunch.

La Loba Atrapada (Venezuelan soap)

 :lol:  :lol:


SoldierofLOVE are protesting students, there is a sector that is also protesting workers in various sectors of Caracas including where I am now, and out of Caracas is a very tense situation between the National Guard and the owners of some land.

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:57:22 PM
Oh my.  I'm going to look it up.  Thanks Paula.  I pray for your strength and safety. May the blessed Mother protect your country.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:57:46 PM
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haah wtf...  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 01:59:32 PM
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I think you would be prettly close in assuming TS could be Elvis himself..

Some things that may not have been discussed before is that Elvis predicted his own death date....

At his last concert, he wore a white jumpsuit, with the specially designed mayan calander on the from and back.

On the back of his jumpsuit, you can clearly see the points on the mayan calender...it has 16 outer points marking the day, 8 inner points indicating the month....Elvis died August  16th, 1977.

MJ wore his famouse Lion with wings red shirt, with 3x 7's especially designed on it.

Just thought I'd throw that in if any of you are interested....


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ooh very intersting picture reminds me of 2012...
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 02:13:37 PM
Thanks SoldierofLOVE

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 03:50:53 PM
why are we still talking about this...it was clear from the beginning....
I was not so "in love" with MJ before but after June 25th I've been reading about the whole LMP and Michael discussions about Elvis and it was quite clear to me the similarities  between their deaths.
Only a blind couldn't see it!!
They "ended" the same way, yet this doesn't prove they are alive....
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Glinda"
Tomorrow is the shortest day btw
http://2012rising.com/article/21-12-201 ... ecy-or-not

It's also a full moon tomorrow.


Tomorrow, 12/21/2010 is a total lunar eclipse.

Yes, that too. And it's 12/21, half way the 4 years as mentioned in TII.

It is also the one year anniversary of TS joining MJHDI. TS joined the Forum on the 21st December 2009 and posted TIAI Revealed part 1 on the 21st December 2009 at 23:50.  The 21st December 2009 was also the date the FBI files were due to be released (http://http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/) although the release got delayed until the following day.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TS!!! To borrow from 007 ---> "Nobody does it better!"

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 07:44:05 PM
I’ve been trying to understand the significance of fireplaces and libraries.  

The ‘Ghost’ walks in front of a fireplace during LKL.  

Dr Murray gives a message via You Tube to his supporters in front of a fireplace. http://www.youtube.com/user/Houstoncriminallaw

The pictures used at the funeral show Michael next to a fireplace.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2u9LRyN ... re=related

The full artwork in the booklet of the ‘Michael’ album has the word Neverland with bookshelves below.

Various pictures and videos from November 2009 of the children leaving - a library.  

On the weekend, while looking for the part in the Oprah interview where LMP spoke about a home of Elvis’ that was across the street from the Carolwood Drive house,  I realized that the conversation she wrote about in her blog took place in the Neverland Ranch Library.
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Lisa-Mar ... -Jackson/7
‘We were sitting by the fire and he was telling me he was afraid he was going to end up like my father...’

Any ideas?

Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:17:52 PM
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Oh my.  I'm going to look it up.  Thanks Paula. I pray for your strength and safety. May the blessed Mother protect your country.


i join you in this SoldierofLOVE
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
I am glad to see TS doesn't give up and keeps reminding people of the significance of the Elvis connection. It also makes me think, and that is a feeling I have had for months, that we are missing an important part in this Elvis connection.

Thank you TS for your patience and determination, I admire you for it.

I agree. I'm starting to think that TS might be Elvis himself... :?

not gonna lie that would be badass...
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:27:47 PM
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Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010

Hi! Elsa,

Fireplaces have got ashes and they may be a contributing symbolism to the Phoenix, the mythologic bird that can be consumed in the flames and be reborn from his ashes.
See references to the Phoenix and MJ in the linked post http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14542&p=263261&hilit=phoenix#p263261

... I know CA is 8 hours behind UTC(and London winter time) ---> I just didn't want to be late!  ;)

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:38:52 PM
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Quote from: "2good2btrue"
On the back of his jumpsuit, you can clearly see the points on the mayan calender...it has 16 outer points marking the day, 8 inner points indicating the month....Elvis died August  16th, 1977.

That's new to me, thanks for sharing!

WoW I didn't know it either.  :shock:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
Means.

Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying himself with drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs, but he knew what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis's experience with the martial arts was such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for himself. He came to this county as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through various connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport, birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number. He would have known how to give Elvis a second life.
In addition to Elvis's ties to the government through his testimony against the Fraternity, Elvis was known to interact with the President of the United States. He was reported in government documents to use the name John Burrows as an alias when he wanted to travel. Some people believe that Elvis worked for the government as a drug agent. He did, after all have extensive contact with many people in the music business who, as we know, tend to dabble in illegal substances. (Remember Payola?.. ) And, of course, we must allow that Elvis's connections to the government gave him access to the Witness Relocation Program. If they can turn the Simpsons into the Thompsons, they can relocate anybody.

Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain - an astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he weighed about 250 pounds at the time of his "death," his death certificate lists him at a spry 170 pounds. The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate is dated two months after his alleged death.

Unusual Behavior.

Two hours after Elvis's death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly looked remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and used the name John Burrows: the same name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
Elvis had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions. He had a bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly Chiro's Book of Numbers and The Autobiography of Yogi which I will explain more about later. After Elvis's death was announced, these books disappeared and were never recovered.
In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis's actions were not those of a man who was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite having gained 50 pounds since his last tour, and he bid "adios" at his last show in Hawaii. He had never done this before. Adios, like the French adieu, has the significance of being a final good-bye as opposed to an "I'll be seeing you on my next tour" kind of good-bye.
Others were intrigued by the King's decision to sign a lucrative TV deal with NBC that would cover the tour. It was unprecedented for a network to pay such a large amount up front, in cash, for such a deal. Many wonder why Elvis even agreed to the deal since his vanity discouraged him from making public appearances due to his obesity.
RCA showed uncanny (and unbelievable) foresight by mass producing millions of Elvis's current and previous recordings and merchandise. This is standard practice for an act that is about to go on tour, but the numbers in this case were beyond reasonable expectations. The announcement of Elvis's death caused record sales to skyrocket.
Elvis did other unusual things that created suspicion. First, he fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time. Also, two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named Miss Foster. He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour. She asked him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he was ill, he said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell anyone anything, and that she should not believe anything she read. He told her that his troubles would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author of Elvis Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this story, and that she was not lying.
The day after Elvis's alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former lover of Elvis, received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the flower was from "El Lancelot." This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no one else knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave. This was Elvis's way of letting her know that he was not dead, even though he didn't want to be found.



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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 08:49:54 PM
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
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12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.


This is very sweet and special to hear, PureLove.  Happy MJHDI Anniversary, TS!  I decided to officially join this forum on the 22nd because of what TS posted on  12/21/2009.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Means.

Elvis had the means to fake his own death. He is accused of destroying himself with drugs. In reality, Elvis was a pharmaceutical expert. He took a lot of drugs, but he knew what he was doing and was extremely careful. He knew what drugs he could self-administer to create a deathlike state. Further, Elvis's experience with the martial arts was such that he could slow his heart rate and breathing in order to feign death.
Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, had once created a new identity for himself. He came to this county as an illegal immigrant from Holland, but through various connections managed to create an elaborate identity complete with a passport, birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number. He would have known how to give Elvis a second life.
In addition to Elvis's ties to the government through his testimony against the Fraternity, Elvis was known to interact with the President of the United States. He was reported in government documents to use the name John Burrows as an alias when he wanted to travel. Some people believe that Elvis worked for the government as a drug agent. He did, after all have extensive contact with many people in the music business who, as we know, tend to dabble in illegal substances. (Remember Payola?.. ) And, of course, we must allow that Elvis's connections to the government gave him access to the Witness Relocation Program. If they can turn the Simpsons into the Thompsons, they can relocate anybody.

Elvis was very vain, and he was embarrassed about his recent weight gain - an astonishing 50 pounds in the month before his so-called death. Even though he weighed about 250 pounds at the time of his "death," his death certificate lists him at a spry 170 pounds. The original death certificate disappeared, and the current death certificate is dated two months after his alleged death.

Unusual Behavior.

Two hours after Elvis's death was announced publicly, a man who reportedly looked remarkably like Elvis purchased a ticket for Buenos Aeries, paid in cash, and used the name John Burrows: the same name Elvis had used as an alias several times before.
Elvis had a few books that were considered to be his most prized possessions. He had a bible, several pharmaceutical books, books on death, and most importantly Chiro's Book of Numbers and The Autobiography of Yogi which I will explain more about later. After Elvis's death was announced, these books disappeared and were never recovered.
In the weeks preceding his alleged death, Elvis's actions were not those of a man who was about to embark on an extensive US tour. He ordered no new suits despite having gained 50 pounds since his last tour, and he bid "adios" at his last show in Hawaii. He had never done this before. Adios, like the French adieu, has the significance of being a final good-bye as opposed to an "I'll be seeing you on my next tour" kind of good-bye.
Others were intrigued by the King's decision to sign a lucrative TV deal with NBC that would cover the tour. It was unprecedented for a network to pay such a large amount up front, in cash, for such a deal. Many wonder why Elvis even agreed to the deal since his vanity discouraged him from making public appearances due to his obesity.
RCA showed uncanny (and unbelievable) foresight by mass producing millions of Elvis's current and previous recordings and merchandise. This is standard practice for an act that is about to go on tour, but the numbers in this case were beyond reasonable expectations. The announcement of Elvis's death caused record sales to skyrocket.
Elvis did other unusual things that created suspicion. First, he fired several employees that he had relied upon for a long time. Also, two days before his alleged death, Elvis telephoned a friend of his named Miss Foster. He told her that he wasn't planning on going on the upcoming tour. She asked him if he had canceled it, and he said that he had not. When she asked if he was ill, he said that he was fine, and that she should not ask any more questions or tell anyone anything, and that she should not believe anything she read. He told her that his troubles would all soon be over, and that he would call her in a few weeks. The author of Elvis Where Are You? writes that Miss Foster took a polygraph test regarding this story, and that she was not lying.
The day after Elvis's alleged death, a woman named Lucy De Barbon, a former lover of Elvis, received a single rose in the mail. The card indicated that the flower was from "El Lancelot." This had been her pet name for Elvis, and it was a name that no one else knew. Flowers can't be sent from beyond the grave. This was Elvis's way of letting her know that he was not dead, even though he didn't want to be found.



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hey i may have read a book by this De Barbon woman. seems like the part about the rose is how she ended the book. it also seems as though there was a daughter born to her during her affair with him (providing it is all true of course). maybe i still have it.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 20, 2010, 10:14:42 PM
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Quote from: "PureLove"
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.


This is very sweet and special to hear, PureLove.  Happy MJHDI Anniversary, TS!  I decided to officially join this forum on the 22nd because of what TS posted on  12/21/2009.

Thank you SOL. :) And HAPPY MJHDI Anniversary TS. Thank God that we have you here. God bless you and all of you.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
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12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 03:44:52 AM
Quote from: "PureLove"
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Also the Eclipse is on today, make sure your watching its gonna be beautiful :)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 04:33:20 AM
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Quote from: "PureLove"
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.

Same here.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.

Same here.

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
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Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010

Hi! Elsa,

Fireplaces have got ashes and they may be a contributing symbolism to the Phoenix, the mythologic bird that can be consumed in the flames and be reborn from his ashes.
See references to the Phoenix and MJ in the linked post http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14542&p=263261&hilit=phoenix#p263261

... I know CA is 8 hours behind UTC(and London winter time) ---> I just didn't want to be late!  ;)

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Thanks, TheRunningGirl for the link. I was aware of the t-shirt and belt but not all the other the phoenix references you've listed.  I think you're right about the meaning.  Michael wears the phoenix belt and leans on a fireplace in the Liberian Girl pictures that were displayed at the funeral. This is confirmation for me, that there is a return planned.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 11:35:04 AM
So it seems to me that Michael was aware or had some information or inkling that Elvis may have faked his death.  Do you think that maybe LMP may have confided in Michael about her father and assisted Michael in some way and that the interview or the message on her blog was some kind of hint to let his fans know that he is alive and ok thats why she made the peculiar comments she made on her blog.  I read the blog and some of the comments she made really didnt make sense if Michael did in fact die on 09/25/09.  Just my thoughts I may be wrong or just losing it.  Help me out here guys.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 12:03:16 PM
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Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010

Hi! Elsa,

Fireplaces have got ashes and they may be a contributing symbolism to the Phoenix, the mythologic bird that can be consumed in the flames and be reborn from his ashes.
See references to the Phoenix and MJ in the linked post http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14542&p=263261&hilit=phoenix#p263261

... I know CA is 8 hours behind UTC(and London winter time) ---> I just didn't want to be late!  ;)

With L.O.V.E


Thanks, TheRunningGirl for the link. I was aware of the t-shirt and belt but not all the other the phoenix references you've listed.  I think you're right about the meaning.  Michael wears the phoenix belt and leans on a fireplace in the Liberian Girl pictures that were displayed at the funeral. This is confirmation for me, that there is a return planned.

Elsa and Running Girl, the connections you two have made with the fireplaces and the phoenix are uncanny! It fits, perfectly, it clicks, well done, I'm going to just go ahead and say it:

You're Right!
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 01:36:13 PM
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Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010

Hi! Elsa,

Fireplaces have got ashes and they may be a contributing symbolism to the Phoenix, the mythologic bird that can be consumed in the flames and be reborn from his ashes.
See references to the Phoenix and MJ in the linked post http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14542&p=263261&hilit=phoenix#p263261

... I know CA is 8 hours behind UTC(and London winter time) ---> I just didn't want to be late!  ;)

With L.O.V.E


Thanks, TheRunningGirl for the link. I was aware of the t-shirt and belt but not all the other the phoenix references you've listed.  I think you're right about the meaning.  Michael wears the phoenix belt and leans on a fireplace in the Liberian Girl pictures that were displayed at the funeral. This is confirmation for me, that there is a return planned.

Elsa and Running Girl, the connections you two have made with the fireplaces and the phoenix are uncanny! It fits, perfectly, it clicks, well done, I'm going to just go ahead and say it:

You're Right!

Well it makes total sense, so until someone comes up with a better explanation, I think it's the right interpretation as well.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
Happy Anniversary TS!
I went out at 2:40am to look at the moon, it was gorgeous! :D
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 07:21:56 PM
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Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "Elsa"
Quote from: "TheRunningGirl"
Quote from: "Elsa"

Hi TheRunningGirl - may not be quite the 21st in TS time - I'm also thinking something will happen 12/21/2010

Hi! Elsa,

Fireplaces have got ashes and they may be a contributing symbolism to the Phoenix, the mythologic bird that can be consumed in the flames and be reborn from his ashes.
See references to the Phoenix and MJ in the linked post http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14542&p=263261&hilit=phoenix#p263261

... I know CA is 8 hours behind UTC(and London winter time) ---> I just didn't want to be late!  ;)

With L.O.V.E


Thanks, TheRunningGirl for the link. I was aware of the t-shirt and belt but not all the other the phoenix references you've listed.  I think you're right about the meaning.  Michael wears the phoenix belt and leans on a fireplace in the Liberian Girl pictures that were displayed at the funeral. This is confirmation for me, that there is a return planned.

Elsa and Running Girl, the connections you two have made with the fireplaces and the phoenix are uncanny! It fits, perfectly, it clicks, well done, I'm going to just go ahead and say it:

You're Right!

Well it makes total sense, so until someone comes up with a better explanation, I think it's the right interpretation as well.

@Bec, Elsa and Souza ... let's see! He is a man full of surprises so who knows... Breaking News: " Santa is Michael Jackson"  ;)

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 09:21:35 PM
Maybe you will send me back to reading but...
i don't get the connection between Michael and Elvis, except he married Lisa.
If Elvis faked his death, by the way how old is he not meaning to be rude, does that imply Michael's hoax too?
I enjoy Elvis' songs anyway, great songs.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
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12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.

Same here.

x10

It seems like there're some night people here :D At nights, while the world is sleeping, that silence, that calmness give me peace and make me think deeper and allows me to be more creative. I prefer to write my scripts at nights. To me Nights have a special Magic in it.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 10:48:48 PM
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Maybe you will send me back to reading but...
i don't get the connection between Michael and Elvis, except he married Lisa.
If Elvis faked his death, by the way how old is he not meaning to be rude, does that imply Michael's hoax too?
I enjoy Elvis' songs anyway, great songs.

http://www.elvisandmj.com/

Click on "Elivs & MJ the similarities".

Hope this helps.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 21, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
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Quote from: "PureLove"
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.

Same here.

x10

It seems like there're some night people here :D At nights, while the world is sleeping, that silence, that calmness give me peace and make me think deeper and allows me to be more creative. I prefer to write my scripts at nights. To me Nights have a special Magic in it.

I agree.  I work and study best late at night.  Right now, it's relatively early where I am 11:25 p.m  
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 22, 2010, 12:07:05 AM
PureLove, are you a screenwriter or plays?

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Quote from: "BeTheChange"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "bec"
Quote from: "PureLove"
12/21 has a special meaning to me always because my name's meaning is The Longest Night. 12/21 has a special name in my country and also in Kuran and that is my name also. And it is interesting that since I was born I never liked sleeping at nights. I love to sit and watch long, dark nights and I feel myself more creative at nights. It fits perfectly with my name. Sorry this is off topic. Just wanted to share it. 12/21 is special to me. And according to Mayan calender, that's going to be a special day for everyone too.

Interesting. Me too. I do my best work at night and have my best brain moments in the early morning hours like 2 or 3am. I always feel the sociological and cultural time clock that the rest of the world functions under  is off.

Same here.

x10

It seems like there're some night people here :D At nights, while the world is sleeping, that silence, that calmness give me peace and make me think deeper and allows me to be more creative. I prefer to write my scripts at nights. To me Nights have a special Magic in it.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 22, 2010, 12:17:12 AM
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Maybe you will send me back to reading but...
i don't get the connection between Michael and Elvis, except he married Lisa.
If Elvis faked his death, by the way how old is he not meaning to be rude, does that imply Michael's hoax too?
I enjoy Elvis' songs anyway, great songs.

Hi!

Bear with me because it gets complicated and it's best if I talk it out.

Elvis having faked his death (the notion of) has become a curiosity of sorts in American culture. It's cliche if you will, like a joke. It's a light hearted and funny fantasy, though the vast majority thinks it's just that, a joke or fantasy, the concept of Elvis still being alive is something that everyone can laugh about. It's a subject guaranteed to evoke a snicker or chuckle in a fun way. Haha Elvis is alive and rides the bus to bingo every Sunday...

In the late 70's there were a rash of Elvis "sightings" just like that, Elvis doing routine, mundane, every day people things and it became material for urban legends. Example: I saw Elvis at the Quick Pik buying eggs and milk. I saw Elvis driving an El Camino with steer horns on the grill. I saw Elvis hanging out at the bowling alley on fish fry night.

And then we have the Elvis impersonators.

Turned into a joke of course. As conspiracy theories go, it's unique in a way as the Elvis hoax death is one conspiracy everyone can smile about. How fun if it was true but how utterly ridiculous an idea...

So along comes MJ's death. And from day one multiple sources, media, family, friends, have all been drawing parallels between MJ's death and Elvis's death, and this is an example of a rabbit hole. A rabbit hole is a lead that draws players into an Interactive Web Based Alternate Reality Game. Elvis and MJ. Elvis and MJ. MJ died just like Elvis died. It's just like Elvis. Just like Elvis....

So then you take a closer look. How much is it just like Elvis? Well we have this and this and this.... and this...and this... and omg this this this this this... you get the idea.

Many of these things are things that MJ chose to do/wear/say/arrange and there are so many of them it leads one to wonder, why the F is MJ emulating Elvis so much?

And if MJ spends much of his life emulating Elvis, how crazy is it that his death seemed SO similar to Elvis's... the circumstances, the timing, the players involved...

So then as we investigate we find it is clear that MJ purposely emulated Elvis in multiple facets of his life, his art, his music, his clothes, his associations, his interests... even emulating his death? It's not a stretch of imagination, it seems the only logical conclusion. The mountains of similarities are overwhelming evidence. It's like if you fill your home with Beenie Babies, wear Beenie Baby themed clothes, spend time on Beenie Baby websites, have Beenie Babies on your desk at work, write poems about Beenie Babies, and then request that you be buried with Beenie Babies.... I can safely deduce that you like Beenie Babies and no one would accuse me of just jumping to that conclusion.

So why did MJ spend so much time emulating Elvis's last 6 months of life in his own last 6 months of life? From the press conference at the O2 to the doctors to the concert posters to the home he rented to the dates to the title of the productions to the way he walked/talked/moved on stage all of a sudden... coincidence then that he then up and ended up dying just like him?

Then after the death... the numerology... same for both men... same connections from life to death in the numbers, the Mayan calendar, Lisa Marie and the things she has said, now the court case and Jesse and maybe he isn't dead after all?

Elvis could actually be dead and it wouldn't matter. All that matters is the context in which American culture and the American populous regards Elvis and his hoax death idea.

I say the mountains of similarities between Elvis and MJ, live and dead, are not coincidental. I say the parallels were loaded up so that people would start to catch on to the joke. It's necessary for MJs death hoax to become just as much a joke as Elvis's death hoax. It's the biggest early hint in this whole thing. MJ is dead just like Elvis... who's memory has gone on to be forever linked in everyone's mind with DEATH HOAX. The connection starts everything off on the right foot and it's been paraded in front of us from Day One. In my opinion, the purpose is this: MJ intends to do what MJ always does and does best... he's going to one-up Elvis.

Because as we all know, a come back is sensitive. It must be done properly. The PR campaign is crucial. And it will be done right, have no doubt. Comparing MJs hoax death to Elvis's hoax death sets off the right tone. It's fun and light hearted and silly. Not shady and fraudulent and deceitful. It's all for love and all for fun.

He's going to do what Elvis did except he's going to do it better. Like Prince doing 20 O2 concerts? MJ is gonna do 50 (remember that report?). Elvis does a hoax death and stays dead. Big deal. Anyone can pull that off. MJ gonna do a hoax death and come back. Now THAT is a big deal.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 22, 2010, 01:21:50 AM
Bec, your post is wonderful, good thinking! Reminds me the movie Prestige, where the old magician tells the younger that the trick is you show the audience the bird, you make the bird disappear, but the hardest part is making the bird come back again (something like that). So MJ will one-up Elvis by being the bird (Pheonix) that comes back (from the ashes)!! Whoho!

Elsa, that is very observant about the fireplaces and libraries, and Runninggirl about the ashes and rise of the Pheonix. There are so many connecting points, so many similar patterns, so complex.

There was some brief discussion on TS being Elvis way back, and I do think it really has possibilities. We already know for a fact that he is/was very knowledgable about numerology as is Michael. Does a 77 year old seem likely to be such a computer whizz as TS is? He certainly has had 33 years to be exploring online while in hiding from the world, not much else to do.  Working for the government would have given him much computer savvy.  TS saying he knew how to keep Elvis safe and knew The Source, sounds like Elvis or a person close to him. It was once suggested that Hatman at the Memorial was Elvis as well, with Blond lady, Michael sitting close by. :o  :lol:  :shock:  :lol:  8-) Not fitting with this whole theory is the fact that Linda Mahood just posted that her Elvis site has absolutely no interest in Michael Jackson or his so-called hoax. It could be that Elvis/Jesse doesn't tell her everything. We've wondered why LMP had so much involvement though she is married to another man--the sunflowers message, interview with LKL and Oprah, and The Scenario quote. We know Elvis couldn't stand Scientology so Lisa has one foot in with her father and the other with her mother Priscilla's S. group.

Elvis was king of rock&roll back then and MJ now king of pop, but why would they need to do this hoax thing together. That's what puzzles me. Yes there's parallels in their love for God, numerology, and carrying out a death hoax. Is Elvis deferring to Michael, or vica versa--who is taking the lead/in charge? Who will take the greater lime-light? Are they working independantly or both under another greater authority such as God or the illuminati/some alien source? Do the crop circles indicate that this may have extraterrestrial involvement? Perhaps all the evil leeches around Michael are really after him, and some higher power is protecting him because they have higher authority. Sometimes when I'm thinking of all this, my head feels like it's going to explode! :shock:  :lol: If we started to really believe TS was Elvis, then much of TS's writings would make more sense, and perhaps other mysteries might start coming clearer as well. Hopefully...

On a lighter note, I know this is nothing, but a couple of months ago on Dragon's Den, they had this one strange dude come on as an Elvis impersonator. He was funny/entertaining and has performed in Las Vegas.  http://www.yukon-news.com/arts/20565/  He said a UFO zapped him with light and he took on the soul of Elvis. He has since changed his name to his. When he started talking about UFO's and aliens, the Dragons made fun of him. He actually did beautiful paintings, one of which was one of Elvis stepping out of a UFO. He said that's how the real one is going to make his entrance to the world some day. The Dragons said something like you can't talk about such stuff here, too kooky, but they thought his artwork was sellable. I guess there's probably many crazy Elvis wannabees out there. But you can't ignore the ET connection. :?  :shock:  :? JMO
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 22, 2010, 06:49:42 PM
If BACK is infamous and is quoted so can TS. lol
Some of my favorite TS quotes.

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“IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM ...”

Note: TIAI Revealed has 9 parts, and may take a couple of hours to read.  If that seems like too much, then please read at least this part 1 (Who Is Behind TIAI?) before deciding whether to read the rest.  To read the other 8 parts, click here: {http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}
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“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.” (John 14:29, NKJV).
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R6. The Final Curtain
{http://http://joeyskaggs.com/html/final.html}

Especially after the “EndGame” redirect, some who were watching TIAI began to think that TIAI was promoting the MJ murder theory (killed by the NWO powers).  So this redirect and the next one (Liberian Girl) were included to show that TIAI was promoting the hoax, not murder.  The Final Curtain was a hoax (about death), by Joey Skaggs who is a master at hoaxes.  One hoax forum post even connected this redirect with my S.T.U.D.Y. post, about the Final Curtain hoax parallels with the MJ hoax {http://http://mjdeathoax.forumotion.com/this-is-it-f9/thisisalsiitcom-t89.htm}.

Another reason for this redirect was the word “Final” in the title: relating again to the end of the world in the “2012” film, as well as the “EndGame” film.  This hoax is about more than just the “final curtain call” for MJ, it is about the “final curtain” wake-up call for the whole world.
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1-2. The Timing of TIAI Update #1
Quoting from TIAI Revealed, Part 1: “For the most part, I will not be involved personally in the discussions; but I will occasionally answer objections to what I am revealing now.”

I knew that there would be objections; and (as stated above) I was planning on giving time for people to read all 9 parts, and let the dust settle, before responding to anyone. In fact, some hoax believers were able to answer many of the objections, without any direct help from TIAI—which shows that in many cases the truth is not so hard to find, if you really want to know it.

Now, there has been time for the dust to settle. And in fact, the date today is 1-11 (TII movie was 111 minutes long); also, today is one week until 1-18-10 (MLK day), and two weeks until 1-25-10 (seven months since “death”). So as you can see, it was already planned for today to be the next TIAI update. Further below in this update, we will look at the importance of today’s date being the planned day for the next update.

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1-3. What Does the Username “TS” Stand For?
Not Elvis/Jesse

As far as the person(s) operating TIAI (dot-com): many people are not concerned who it is; they just see the importance of the message, and the evidence that it is genuine, and that is sufficient for them.

Others have tried to name a specific person behind it—such as Marlon Jackson, or someone with the personal initials of “TS”. If it really is Marlon, then surely TIAI would be genuine; however, even if I claimed to be Marlon, this would not prove that I really am Marlon. This is why I asked people to go by the evidence that the information is genuine, and not by my claim of who I am or where I got the information.

On the other hand, if I claimed to be someone with the initials of “TS”—this would not prove that I really have those initials; in fact, it wouldn’t even prove that I am not Marlon! And even if I really did have these initials, how could that be any evidence whatsoever that TIAI is or is not genuine??? And yet several have dismissed TIAI, merely on this idea that I have these personal initials!

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that I do have these personal initials—and if this fact became known, then that alone would prove TIAI to be a fake. Do you suppose that if this were actually the case, I would be so careless as to use “TS” for a username??? After all of the time and thought that was put into TIAI and STUDY: would “TS” thoughtlessly be picked for a username, if it would (supposedly) prove that TIAI is fake? Have any of you TIAI objectors stopped to think about how flimsy your objections really are? And by the way: did any of you sharp investigators notice that “TS” is an abbreviation for T-IAI and S-TUDY??

Several people misunderstood the following statement, which was in TIAI Revealed, Part 1: “I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.”

The point here, especially taken in the wider context, is that I am not asking anyone to believe the information based upon my claim of who is behind TIAI, and/or where the information came from. For example, if I claimed to be Marlon, many would not believe that I am Marlon just because I say so. The words “many would not believe me if I told you”, refer to the previous phrase: “how I got this information”—it is not the information itself that many would not believe, if I told you where I got it.

So once again, the information itself has abundant evidence in the 9 parts, that the information is genuine; so any claim of where I got it is not needed. What is needed, however, is a clear understanding of the evidence which does show the information to be valid. This evidence was understood fairly well by some, but almost completely overlooked and ignored by others—including some who said they read all 9 parts. I have to wonder how quickly they skimmed over it. So in this update, I will go over the evidences that TIAI is genuine; many of these will be repeats taken from portions of the 9 parts (which quite a few people missed and/or ignored), but there will also be a few new ones.

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1-4. Why Do You Believe the Hoax?

It’s true that a few things can happen by random coincidence; but when they keep piling one on top of another, that’s when you say it can’t all be a coincidence. In fact, this is one of the main reasons why so many believe in the MJ hoax—because there are too many “coincidences”. And if you are going to dismiss all the TIAI evidence as merely “coincidences”: then why don’t you dismiss the MJ hoax “coincidences” as well?

So we will review the TIAI (and STUDY) “coincidences”, all of which are backed up with very solid evidence. For those who want to continue opposing TIAI, you are more than welcome to do so as long as your opposition is based on solid evidence—not mere ridicule, or shallow complaints, etc. And also please step up to the plate, and explain all of these “coincidences”—instead of just ignoring them, and pretending that they don’t exist. And if you think anything is incorrect, then please document why it is wrong. People shouldn’t be expected to trust what you say, merely because you say it—anymore than people should be expected to trust what TIAI says, without solid evidence.
Very Interesting statement TS.  ;)
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“Can Ye Not Discern the Signs of the Times?”

Jesus said: “… ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3).  Jesus also said: “… when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh [near], even at the doors.  … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:29-32).

So we don’t know the exact day or hour of the end of the world—maybe not even the exact year.  But if we can “discern the signs of the times”, we should be able to know when it is near!  The exact date of 12-21-2012 for the end of the world is fiction; it could happen on that date, but unlikely.  However the end of the world being near is a very real concept, and not merely fiction.  So let’s look at some of the “signs of the times”, which show that the end is near.

Speaking of fleeing at the end of time, Jesus said: “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:20,21).  Did you know that 12-21-2012 will be the first day of winter (northern hemisphere)?  And did you know that 12-21-2012 will be a Friday?  And did you know that in the Bible, the Sabbath day begins at sunset on Friday??  Is it a coincidence, that both of the things which Jesus mentioned (winter and Sabbath) will begin on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends?

Again, this does not necessarily mean that the world will end on 12-21-2012; in fact, Jesus asked us to pray that we would not have to flee on that day.  Nevertheless, the fact that all these things line up on the same day is almost certainly a clue (sign) that the end is near.

The NWO is another huge sign that the end is near.  It was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago in the book of Revelation; read the whole book, especially the last half—and most particularly Revelation chapters 17 & 18.  Here are a couple verses: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:” (17:13,14).

Also very well known, from the book of Revelation, is 666 and the mark of the beast (see Revelation 13 & 14).  The mark is related to finances: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark …” (13:17).
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Why did God protect MJ, and not JFK, MLK, etc?  Perhaps only God understands that fully; but it could well be that God has a special plan for MJ, in the final battle against the NWO.  Maybe God has a mission for MJ, and has protected him from his enemies “for such a time as this” (Esther 4:14).
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Michael is well aware of these NWO powers, their corruption, their tremendous power, and their conspiracies (see R29).  And he knows that these powers control the mass media; which means that if you do a hoax to expose the mass media corruption, you are inherently going to come under the wrath of the powers that control the media—you can’t do one, without having the other.  So he has to be very careful with when and how he returns to the public eye.
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R27. “WHEN the Disciples Gathered Around Him …”
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“However, WHEN the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.” (Acts 14:20, NKJV).  As usual, not only was the quoted verse important, but also the context (previous verse): “Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.”

Here again we have parallels, like with David: enemies trying to kill him, God saving him from death, yet they think that he is dead (like most think MJ is dead), and then a “resurrection” and return to public life (he rose up, etc).

Although many saw the parallels here, it seems that nobody noticed the key word “WHEN” (which is why I have emphasized it here).  Do you want to see MJ return to public view?  Of course, we all do!  Then we need to “gather around him” by joining Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. (see R28 & R39).
Therefore the need for truths to unfold in a timed and planned manner so his return is done as safely as possible. Michael's Army of L.O.V.E. is coming together and he will need us when the time is right.

Peace

P.S. On a sidenote today as I was reading new threads, new topics, speculations, Murray's trial looming (oh the court date on dec. 29) hmm ok stalling...anyways I started to laugh out loud when I thought about how Michael must feel reading all this news about himself as if he is dead...he has the most absolute power right now. He can see what it will be like when he really is gone. That is powerful. I also thought about how nice it must be for him to be able to be hands on in this "hoax death" I have heard more than once Michael is hands on.  ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 26, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
I am still trying to catch up on all this, so bear with me (I guess I am a newbie here and a re-awakened death hoax believer...if that makes sense).

I wonder, with the connection to scientology mentioned, is it possible that Lisa, while having been indoctrinated (or was she?) from early on, could be an important plant into the "church?"  

I have to say, the Elvis connection seemed, up to a couple of days ago, "crazy" to me- but now, having read much of what is here and on other sources, I am more and more convinced, that indeed, it seems logical.  I also was blown away by the realization that, indeed, Lisa had T and S capitalized on her blog.  That one gave me chills.
The beginning post from soldiergirl was so captivating- esp when you pointed out the "I told him it was a bad idea" quote.  OF COURSE- it makes such sense now.

I have been wondering for days now, how Lisa Marie fits in if Michael is alive.  She is the most obvious link in his connection to Elvis of course.  I also have always believed that Lisa and Michael have shared a very deep connection.  Her recent Oprah interview cinched it.  Even before I read this thread- I have wondered about the fireplace references she threw out there.  At one point, I asked- how many things DID happen in Neverland in the library before the fire????  And yes, she was more than obvious in pointing out the parallels between her  father and Michael.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

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cont:
Lisa also mentioned that Michael told her his life may be in danger- and gave her names.  And we are to believe that Oprah just dropped that morsel?  And Lisa, if that is so- how have you not been interviewed?  Furthermore, would such knowledge and public admittance put her in grave danger?  I was a bit baffled by her words on this one (and still am not clear on what to think).

So, I am very tempted to think Lisa is on the "inside"- obvioulsy with Elvis, and if I go down that route- then also with Michael.  She is one of the only people having inside Forest Lawn privileges outside the family.  She pops up in places where Michael's children are (most recently in Hawaii a couple of months back).  We have the sunflowers, and the we have the interview.  We have her talking about how he is stubborn like her- in present tense.  We have the fireplace references.  We have her talk about missing being united with him- against outsiders.  
So, I am very tempted to think she might be TS...  As far as being patient:  If she has known all her life that her Dad is alive and could stand to live with it- she is very patient.  
Oh- some mentioned, it can't be her due to her being a Scientologist: BUT what if she is a plant?  She has always been an odd scientologist (wearing crosses, saying God Bless...)- knowing she adored her father and how Elvis was very religious...it always seemed odd to see her as a Scientologist. Maybe I see patterns now where there are none...but isn't this what this investigation is about? ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 26, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
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Lisa also mentioned that Michael told her his life may be in danger- and gave her names.  And we are to believe that Oprah just dropped that morsel?  And Lisa, if that is so- how have you not been interviewed?  Furthermore, would such knowledge and public admittance put her in grave danger?  I was a bit baffled by her words on this one (and still am not clear on what to think).

So, I am very tempted to think Lisa is on the "inside"- obvioulsy with Elvis, and if I go down that route- then also with Michael.  She is one of the only people having inside Forest Lawn privileges outside the family.  She pops up in places where Michael's children are (most recently in Hawaii a couple of months back).  We have the sunflowers, and the we have the interview.  We have her talking about how he is stubborn like her- in present tense.  We have the fireplace references.  We have her talk about missing being united with him- against outsiders.  
So, I am very tempted to think she might be TS...  As far as being patient:  If she has known all her life that her Dad is alive and could stand to live with it- she is very patient.  
Oh- some mentioned, it can't be her due to her being a Scientologist: BUT what if she is a plant?  She has always been an odd scientologist (wearing crosses, saying God Bless...)- knowing she adored her father and how Elvis was very religious...it always seemed odd to see her as a Scientologist. Maybe I see patterns now where there are none...but isn't this what this investigation is about? ;)

LMP as TS...interesting thought!  You never know, if there is one thing I've learned from this hoax is that anything is possible.  I believe that we will not find out TS's identity until after the BAM.  TS kind of reminds me of V from V for Vendetta but instead of a mask, there is a computer screen.  But the message to me is the same - think for yourselves and question what's really going on.  "Words will always retain their power".  To see that there is something terribly wrong with the world we live in.  The complacency of Earth's citizens has to end in order for us to move forward as the free beings we are meant to be.

About the scientology and the possibility of LMP being a plant...I find it interesting that she moved to England.  I don't think the UK acknowledges scientology as a religion and the government there has openly criticized it, seeing it as a cult.  I don't know how scientology is seen there these days but if you wanted to get away from scientology, doesn't it make sense to move to a country that basically shuns it?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
8-)
No offense intended to anyone but, you gotta dig deeper.  ;)

http://www.lronhubbard.org/heritage-sites/fitzroy.html
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In late 1956, 35/37 Fitzroy Street was acquired by the Hubbard Association of Scientologists International and served as L. Ron Hubbard’s London office and headquarters for Scientology organizations of the time. The five-story structure included a Hubbard Communications Office to service the Commonwealth, as well as Scientology course rooms and administrative spaces for the London and United Kingdom Churches.

The original Hubbard Communications Office, located on the ground floor, was designed to advance the Scientology religion while keeping Scientology data and information “clean and clear.” It was from this office that L. Ron Hubbard’s worldwide communications for the burgeoning religion were sent and received, and his articles and bulletins were published.

The fully renovated and restored rooms at Fitzroy present displays chronicling the growth of Scientology throughout the United Kingdom and the milestones achieved by L. Ron Hubbard through his London years.

The landmark building is visited by Scientologists to learn more about these milestones of LRH research. It also serves as a meeting place for local and national officials—to introduce them to the Scientology religion and L. Ron Hubbard’s developments and discoveries in the fields of drug rehabilitation, criminal reform and education.
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On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts.
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However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt?

Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2
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See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726
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6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837 One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
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You don't have to be a christian to see the reason for the bible scripture with the name Michael in it and it clearly states that Daniel has said Michael your prince is "the one" who holds the truth.

I also wanted to add to this and help you out to understand the scripture,
I change the intial scripture to Amplified so I can understand it easier. Just a suggestion.

Daniel 10:21 (Amplified Bible)
21But I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth or the Book of Truth. There is no one who holds with me and strengthens himself against these [hostile spirit forces] except Michael, your prince [national guardian angel].
I wonder: is it easier for those who want a different person (LMP or Elvis/Jesse..Joe Esposito) to be TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.


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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 04:58:59 PM
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TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.[/b]

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We are not 100% sure with no doubt that MJ is alive (even if I think 99.99% that he is, still there is a chance that he is not), so, followin that theory, that MJ could be TS won´t work for me, but you make sense. So far, I think that you are right, Michael would trust himself (and his kids) over any other.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 05:16:05 PM
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TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.

Peace

We are not 100% sure with no doubt that MJ is alive (even if I think 99.99% that he is, still there is a chance that he is not), so, followin that theory, that MJ could be TS won´t work for me, but you make sense. So far, I think that you are right, Michael would trust himself (and his kids) over any other.

We? or You?

Im_convincedmjalive... ;)

I do not fall into the WE are not sure category. I respect that you haven't come to that conclusion 100% but I believe he is ALIVE 100%, no doubts.

Peace
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 05:20:54 PM
WE as many people in this forum having still doubts or are unsure that MJ is alive  :D

Your name it´s clear  :D
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 05:26:52 PM

Frankly - people can beLIEve that MJ is alive, but no one here has 100% proof of MJ actually being alive.  So far it's all theoretically and speculation.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 05:32:19 PM
We will know as soon as he is presenting himself in a program or something live.

At times I wonder, if even a concert would be enough. Still people will think that is a double or an impersonator.

MJ in Oprah, without sunglasses, may be?. That would be the only proof. Or the family telling that he is not dead. I can´t think in other way.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
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TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.

Peace

We are not 100% sure with no doubt that MJ is alive (even if I think 99.99% that he is, still there is a chance that he is not), so, followin that theory, that MJ could be TS won´t work for me, but you make sense. So far, I think that you are right, Michael would trust himself (and his kids) over any other.

We? or You?

Im_convincedmjalive... ;)

I do not fall into the WE are not sure category. I respect that you haven't come to that conclusion 100% but I believe he is ALIVE 100%, no doubts.

Peace

Totally Agree Im_convinced - No doubt in my mind either! Michael is 100% alive and is (amongst others) TS... and I am enjoying the journey very much!


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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 06:08:24 PM
Until I'm proven the contrary, i 100% believe that Michael is alive.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 08:06:15 PM
Exactly, there's no way you can "100% believe Michael's alive" and if you do, then you're pretty gullible. Because I will never be 100% sure unless the real Michael Jackson says "I'm alive." which has not happened yet. ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 08:10:05 PM
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Exactly, there's no way you can "100% believe Michael's alive" and if you do, then you're pretty gullible. Because I will never be 100% sure unless the real Michael Jackson says "I'm alive." which has not happened yet. ;)

MJFAN7 --- I respect your opinion PLEASE RESPECT "mine" and those who beLIEve 100%! Gullibility is not part of my "make-up"!

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
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TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.

Peace

We are not 100% sure with no doubt that MJ is alive (even if I think 99.99% that he is, still there is a chance that he is not), so, followin that theory, that MJ could be TS won´t work for me, but you make sense. So far, I think that you are right, Michael would trust himself (and his kids) over any other.

We? or You?

Im_convincedmjalive... ;)

I do not fall into the WE are not sure category. I respect that you haven't come to that conclusion 100% but I believe he is ALIVE 100%, no doubts.

Peace

+1, no doubts at all! If Michael Jackson is dead, then i am too and I ended up in the Twilight Zone. There is no logical explanation of him being dead, yet there are many logical explanations him being alive. I have bee 100% sure for over a year and I will actually NEVER believe he is dead until I see the dead body with my own eyes PLUS I have to be able to touch it to make sure it's not a dummy. Until then, Mike is alive and kicking. That's not gullible, it's just logic.

About TS' identity: it's not important to me. He has proven to be supportive, his posts are helpful and accurate and there is no doubt in my mind that he knows what he is talking about. And if I were him I would have wanted to to something like that myself as well, so who knows.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 08:27:29 PM
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Exactly, there's no way you can "100% believe Michael's alive" and if you do, then you're pretty gullible. Because I will never be 100% sure unless the real Michael Jackson says "I'm alive." which has not happened yet. ;)

MJFAN7 --- I respect your opinion PLEASE RESPECT "mine" and those who beLIEve 100%! Gullibility is not part of my "make-up"!

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I don't mean it disrespectfully ;) I'm just trying to say that "I" will never be 100% convinced until after Michael has "bammed" ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 08:48:52 PM
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Exactly, there's no way you can "100% believe Michael's alive" and if you do, then you're pretty gullible. Because I will never be 100% sure unless the real Michael Jackson says "I'm alive." which has not happened yet. ;)

MJFAN7 --- I respect your opinion PLEASE RESPECT "mine" and those who beLIEve 100%! Gullibility is not part of my "make-up"!

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I don't mean it disrespectfully ;) I'm just trying to say that "I" will never be 100% convinced until after Michael has "bammed" ;)

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 09:15:56 PM
Just my opinion, I tend to agree with Im_convincedmjalive, TheRunningGirl, and Souza.  If you take into consideration that some of the redirects seem to affirm things (for example those referring to MJ's thoughts, feelings, concerns, etc.) which no one except Michael would really know.
I think MJ has difficulty delegating anything important.  He knows he's the only one who can get it right, he's not satisfied with anything less than perfection.
Yes, it is very interesting.  I often wonder, how does it feel to watch your own memorial, your own funeral, to see and hear with your own living eyes and ears the impact of your "death" upon the world?  Michael had the resources, the intelligence, the time, the patience, the passion and motivation to get this thing not just right, but perfect.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 10:15:06 PM
I'm in the 100% convinced camp, I have no doubts at this time based on all the evidence of him planning this out! Some might be tempted to say I'm convinced he faked his death and pulled off a hoax, but what if something happened to him after that and he really died?!? I say NO WAY, because I believe GOD is behind this and has a BIG purpose for all of this and HE won't let anything like that happen to MJ!!! Looking forward to 2011, will it be the BAM year??

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 27, 2010, 11:38:02 PM
I don't have 100% proof that any of you are alive.

That said I'm pretty convinced that you are.

And I'm 100% convinced that Michael is as well. In fact I'm more sure that he's alive then sure that half of you are what you pretend to be.

So really, to the nay-sayers. What's the proof that is required? For the media to report it? That's not proof. Does he need to do a press conference? That's not proof either, we aren't even sure that was MJ at the last press conference he did when he was supposed to be alive. What if he signs today's paper. That's not proof, it's prob a fake siggy. How about if his family says so. Well that's not proof, they aren't to be trusted either. What if his producer says so? Not proof. What if he makes a statement on YouTube. Not proof, Murray may have been enhanced or someone else in disguise. Perhaps CGI animation.

So what is proof? When he comes back, how in the hell will we know?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 03:28:48 AM
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I don't have 100% proof that any of you are alive.

That said I'm pretty convinced that you are.

And I'm 100% convinced that Michael is as well. In fact I'm more sure that he's alive then sure that half of you are what you pretend to be.

So really, to the nay-sayers. What's the proof that is required? For the media to report it? That's not proof. Does he need to do a press conference? That's not proof either, we aren't even sure that was MJ at the last press conference he did when he was supposed to be alive. What if he signs today's paper. That's not proof, it's prob a fake siggy. How about if his family says so. Well that's not proof, they aren't to be trusted either. What if his producer says so? Not proof. What if he makes a statement on YouTube. Not proof, Murray may have been enhanced or someone else in disguise. Perhaps CGI animation.

So what is proof? When he comes back, how in the hell will we know?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he'll "silently" bam, that's pretty silly. I think when he comes back EVERYONE will know, just like with his death. I think he will enter with a BANG (or BAM I should say ;)) Like not privately either, I think he will pop out at an event everyone will be watching... like the ball drop on New Years Eve, for example. But the thing is, how will we know it's him & not an impersonator? The family could 'confirm' it I guess. :?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 03:32:38 AM
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I don't have 100% proof that any of you are alive.

That said I'm pretty convinced that you are.

And I'm 100% convinced that Michael is as well. In fact I'm more sure that he's alive then sure that half of you are what you pretend to be.

So really, to the nay-sayers. What's the proof that is required? For the media to report it? That's not proof. Does he need to do a press conference? That's not proof either, we aren't even sure that was MJ at the last press conference he did when he was supposed to be alive. What if he signs today's paper. That's not proof, it's prob a fake siggy. How about if his family says so. Well that's not proof, they aren't to be trusted either. What if his producer says so? Not proof. What if he makes a statement on YouTube. Not proof, Murray may have been enhanced or someone else in disguise. Perhaps CGI animation.

So what is proof? When he comes back, how in the hell will we know?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he'll "silently" bam, that's pretty silly. I think when he comes back EVERYONE will know, just like with his death. I think he will enter with a BANG (or BAM I should say ;)) Like not privately either, I think he will pop out at an event everyone will be watching... like the ball drop on New Years Eve, for example. But the thing is, how will we know it's him & not an impersonator? The family could 'confirm' it I guess. :?

Yeah and we're going to believe them? They also said he's dead, and that's not his voice on Michael, and they were in NY, I mean Orlando.

I think we have a conundrum. I literally cannot brain storm a venue in which Michael can prove, instantly, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it's really him and he's really back. People will think he's an impersonator. We will think he's a double.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 03:34:53 AM
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I don't have 100% proof that any of you are alive.

That said I'm pretty convinced that you are.

And I'm 100% convinced that Michael is as well. In fact I'm more sure that he's alive then sure that half of you are what you pretend to be.

So really, to the nay-sayers. What's the proof that is required? For the media to report it? That's not proof. Does he need to do a press conference? That's not proof either, we aren't even sure that was MJ at the last press conference he did when he was supposed to be alive. What if he signs today's paper. That's not proof, it's prob a fake siggy. How about if his family says so. Well that's not proof, they aren't to be trusted either. What if his producer says so? Not proof. What if he makes a statement on YouTube. Not proof, Murray may have been enhanced or someone else in disguise. Perhaps CGI animation.

So what is proof? When he comes back, how in the hell will we know?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he'll "silently" bam, that's pretty silly. I think when he comes back EVERYONE will know, just like with his death. I think he will enter with a BANG (or BAM I should say ;)) Like not privately either, I think he will pop out at an event everyone will be watching... like the ball drop on New Years Eve, for example. But the thing is, how will we know it's him & not an impersonator? The family could 'confirm' it I guess. :?

Yeah and we're going to believe them? They also said he's dead, and that's not his voice on Michael, and they were in NY, I mean Orlando.

I think we have a conundrum. I literally cannot brain storm a venue in which Michael can prove, instantly, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it's really him and he's really back. People will think he's an impersonator. We will think he's a double.

Well, I don't know about the family. I was also thinking that someone could be having a master plan to make a fake Michael Jackson, like a double, and pretend it's the real Michael and force the family to say it's him, maybe with a threat or something against them. :?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 03:54:49 AM
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I'm in the 100% convinced camp, I have no doubts at this time based on all the evidence of him planning this out! Some might be tempted to say I'm convinced he faked his death and pulled off a hoax, but what if something happened to him after that and he really died?!? I say NO WAY, because I believe GOD is behind this and has a BIG purpose for all of this and HE won't let anything like that happen to MJ!!! Looking forward to 2011, will it be the BAM year??

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I wonder: is it easier for those who want a different person (LMP or Elvis/Jesse..Joe Esposito) to be TS than to just except the possibility that TS is in fact Michael?

Do you honestly think he would TruSt anyone else other than himself to make sure this very IMPORTANT hoax goes as planned? The updates are planned, the redirects are planned, etc. this is something that is so important that the creator and master of this hoax would be the only one to have his hands on it.
I would be completely happy if he were Michael. I waver around 50% chance it's him. And in hindsight I'd see thousands of hints and clues in things he wrote.  It's almost like I don't dare to hope. Yes there's a computer screen between us so we are guessing who he/she is--no voice, no handwriting, no visuals. On TS I may not be sure, but I am 100% convinced MJ's alive.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 10:07:34 AM
To the point.
What is the absolute proof that MJ is alive? If someone has that absolute proof, please, give me.

His death makes no sense, the stories coming up after his death makes no sense either, but the only proof I have up to now that is absolute is that I have not seen a living Michael Jackson yet, like any of you.

Some empirical approach must be used here pls.

The deduction that MJ is alive goes within faith and analyzing how the events presented by the media has been shown to us up to today but no confirmation, declaration or so called proof has been shown to us by the subject of debate, Michael Jackson himself.

We can go on understanding the events since his death as a joke but untill Michael "bams" any of the assumptions about him being alive will stay just as theories and speculations.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
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I don't have 100% proof that any of you are alive.

That said I'm pretty convinced that you are.

And I'm 100% convinced that Michael is as well. In fact I'm more sure that he's alive then sure that half of you are what you pretend to be.

So really, to the nay-sayers. What's the proof that is required? For the media to report it? That's not proof. Does he need to do a press conference? That's not proof either, we aren't even sure that was MJ at the last press conference he did when he was supposed to be alive. What if he signs today's paper. That's not proof, it's prob a fake siggy. How about if his family says so. Well that's not proof, they aren't to be trusted either. What if his producer says so? Not proof. What if he makes a statement on YouTube. Not proof, Murray may have been enhanced or someone else in disguise. Perhaps CGI animation.

So what is proof? When he comes back, how in the hell will we know?

I don't know. I mean, I don't think he'll "silently" bam, that's pretty silly. I think when he comes back EVERYONE will know, just like with his death. I think he will enter with a BANG (or BAM I should say ;)) Like not privately either, I think he will pop out at an event everyone will be watching... like the ball drop on New Years Eve, for example. But the thing is, how will we know it's him & not an impersonator? The family could 'confirm' it I guess. :?

Yeah and we're going to believe them? They also said he's dead, and that's not his voice on Michael, and they were in NY, I mean Orlando.

I think we have a conundrum. I literally cannot brain storm a venue in which Michael can prove, instantly, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it's really him and he's really back. People will think he's an impersonator. We will think he's a double.
I offer the following as explanations to your questions and doubts.
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"This Is It … The Final Curtain Call"

The "final curtain call" is a very interesting phrase, which was used during the London press conference for the O2 "This Is It" performances (note: even if it was a double, MJ himself was still the author of the message given).
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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
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But again, if people would take the Elvis connection seriously: they would understand a lot more
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I do want to emphasize very strongly the importance of the mentions of numerology in Jesse's introduction to his book. Jesse wanted the readers to see that he was handing them the information and the tool which they would need to decipher that date 8-16-1977 and recognize that only Elvis himself would have understood and known the many, many significant numbers derived from that "Perfect Date". This was his way of proving to each reader that he really is Elvis. The numbers don't lie.

You will see as you read on that 8-16-1977 was indeed "THE PERFECT DAY". Elvis said many times that he could feel God directing his life...and so he knew that this date was given to him by God as a sign.
I think if people took what TS says more seriously when he says you would understand alot more by understanding the Elvis "death" parallels (doubts would disappear). If you apply how Elvis/Jesse has told us who he is through his book, and clues he says to Linda (things to look out for in his movies and songs), telling her things before they came out publically; you will begin to see that you will have your answer to know for sure when the time comes when Michael reveals himself (visually that is).

This is my belief when speaking on trusting TS:

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he is "the one" who has been telling us his secrets this whole time in clues.

And he is "the one" who has hinted to us about where the "inside info" came from when he ref. Numerology and directed to Elvis' friend's website. Her page on his book specifically stated that Elvis would be the "ONLY" one to have the answers about the numerology clues and he would be the "ONLY" one to use that as his explanation (evidence) on his TRUE identity.
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Again look at Elvis' friends website especially NOW it has been up dated with more info on his clues to numerology and identity and his way of showing fans who he is.
TRUE identity.

If Michael learned his "death" plan from Elvis and the parallels are there. Look to Elvis' friends website and read page 33. New clues for us.
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I can’t help but to keep thinking about all the similarities between Elvis and MJ.
So I search Linda’s website for relevant info and these always stand out to me.

I read them and just insert Michael’s name where Jesse/Elvis name is and it fits to find clues.

http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15
I do want to emphasize very strongly the importance of the mentions of numerology in Jesse's introduction to his book. Jesse wanted the readers to see that he was handing them the information and the tool which they would need to decipher that date 8-16-1977 and recognize that only Elvis himself would have understood and known the many, many significant numbers derived from that "Perfect Date". This was his way of proving to each reader that he really is Elvis. The numbers don't lie.

You will see as you read on that 8-16-1977 was indeed "THE PERFECT DAY". Elvis said many times that he could feel God directing his life...and so he knew that this date was given to him by God as a sign.

http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33
Elvis/Jesse has suggested that we watch all of his movies with the idea in mind to look for significant numbers within the movies...such as the gravestone in "Loving You". I have found the numbers which he referred to in Jail House Rock. As you can see, the numbers behind and to the left of him 1313 again add up to the "8".

I spoke with Elvis/Jesse this week and we discussed something which he had brought up in our last prior conversation. It is involving Numerology which is a topic to which he wants his fans to pay attention. I promise that anyone, who takes the time to look back over the dates and name numbers in Elvis' life, will readily recognize why he trusts in and uses Numerology in his life still to this day. It is very fascinating once one looks into it. Also, I feel that most people will be like me... begin seeing that numbers have had a very strong influence in their own life... even when they were totally unaware of it.

He told me in our prior conversation that the gravestone in the movie "Loving You" even correlated with the August 16, 1977 date. I recalled that somewhere, in his book, he had mentioned that we all should look at the numbers in all of his movies. Since I have been primarily using my copy of the rough draft for references in doing this web site, it wasn't until yesterday that I remembered that there are several letters from Jesse in the published book which do not exist in my rough draft. I received my copy of the rough draft on September 20, 2000. The letters which I did not look at for a very long time were written by Jesse to Dr. Hinton after the rough draft was sent to me, and so there were more pages added to the book after I received my rough draft copy. I recalled that somewhere in the book, Jesse made the comments about checking out the numbers in his movies. But, I had totally forgotten that he specifically mentioned the gravestone in "Loving You". So, when I did not find the comment about the movies in my copy of the draft, I went looking in the published book and found that it was in one of the letters which Jesse wrote to Dr. Hinton in October, 2000.

I will place below the copies of several more letters from Jesse. In these letters, you will see that he greatly stresses the importance of Numerology.
*I do have the handwritten copy of one of the typed letters below and I will insert it at the very end of this article.

He has asked me to be his spokesperson and his "voice". So, I always want to make sure that I am putting the emphasis on the points which he wants to get across. The two most important thoughts which he definitely wants the fans to know are:

(1) The very significant part which Numerology has played in all of his life... even before he knew anything about Numerology i.e. the numerical translation of his name, the date of his birth, the number of times that the number 18 occurred in his life such as his year of birth 1+9+3+5 = 18, and the month and day of his birth 1-8...on and on.

(2) His "dying" was not done as a hoax,..he had to do so in order to even continue to physically survive. His life was in such a state of misery and he knew the only way to save his life was to "die". So he "died" in order that he might truly live...as Jesse.

If everyone will just stop and digest this gift which Elvis has just given us, surely the bickering can stop and everyone can just be so happy for him...and happy for each other, we who love him so much.
 

http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page35
I have attempted to convince people that there are so many, many reasons why I KNOW that Jesse is Elvis. Much of what he shared with me was over the phone, so I cannot prove that. There are his letters to me, but again, I will not place any of his private letters on my web site with out his explicit permission. That would be a betrayal of his trust.

But, in thinking back, I have been able to locate an example of the fact that he knew things and told us things which were going to be taking place LONG before the events were public knowledge in any way.

I have located one of his letters to Dr. Hinton in which he stated a fact that I can document showing that he is aware of private information prior to anyone knowing about it.

I will insert below full copies of two pages of a letter which Jesse wrote on May 13, 1999. In this letter, he states that there is going to be something in the news about Graceland and there is nothing he can do about it. In October, 1999 (five months after Jesse told us this), the huge auction of very private memorabilia took place. I will insert several Internet articles which document the dates of the auction.

Obviously this was not something of which Elvis/Jesse approved. It never made sense for them to sell such a huge lot of his personal possessions.  

It was after this that Elvis/Jesse made the trip to Memphis and to Graceland to retrieve the pair of cuff links which he later sent to Dr. Hinton for Christmas in that same year...1999. Farther below you will see excerpts from the Christmas note which he sent to Dr. Hinton accompanying the cuff links in which he references not wanting them "to be sold in any auction".  

 
I only copied some things from her website. If you click the links and go to those pages and read everything there it will make alot of sense on how useful it will be to us to find clues from MJ.

Peace
I hope this helps.

Pretend to be bec? lol, I don't pretend to be anything or anyone other than who I really am, I have not hid my true identity.  ;)

Peace
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
Good points Imconvinced. That many Elvis parallels and I haven't even thought about that part, makes sense. Now wouldn't that be something huh? TS being the master himself, The Subject. I guess time will tell who he is, patience is a virtue... 8-)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
Thank you, Im_convincedmjalive.  Good post.   :)   My opinion:  It takes much more faith to believe he is dead, and any assumptions about him being dead are theories and speculations.  Gema said we have not seen a living Michael Jackson.  I ask have any of us seen a dead MJ?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 11:23:33 PM
Imconvinced, it was a fairly tongue-in-cheek phrase, if you will.

Excellent break down of TS and Elvis connections in regards to my posts. I'll reread it a few times. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 28, 2010, 11:43:47 PM
Great post Im_convincedmjalive...the connection between MJ and Elvis is pretty blatant.  The possibility of MJ being TS becomes more and more plausible each time I reread TS' posts.  And just like Elvis put out his 'death' in print, I believe we may be already reading a 'Moonwalker II' book...I wonder what page we're at right now?  ;)

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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 29, 2010, 01:24:02 AM
Great post Imconvinced!! ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 29, 2010, 08:56:10 AM
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 03:12:44 PM
To whom  it may concern,

Your welcome for the post of information that is already said.  ;)

Here is another thought of mine.

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There would be no reason for an informer named TS posting for MJ needing to prove who is is after the BAM unless of course he is MJ.

It is this statement from TS that makes me think that way.

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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 06:46:45 PM
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To whom  it may concern,

Your welcome for the post of information that is already said.  ;)

Here is another thought of mine.

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There would be no reason for an informer named TS posting for MJ needing to prove who is is after the BAM unless of course he is MJ.

It is this statement from TS that makes me think that way.

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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
He at least points out with that statement that he is someone we all know, otherwise there is no point in saying that. TS knows a shit load about MJ and the hoax, so it's just logic that he is Mike himself. But he could also still be someone very close to him. Either way there is no point in knowing who he is for now. We should look at his information, and not who he is. All we need to know is that he is genuine and supportive. He already proved that.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 07:47:08 PM
Well I'm 1500% sure that Michael is alive. To me, the numerology and the behaviour of the family proves that MJ is alive. But still I would want MJ to BAM, not only for my own relief but also for the message to be spreaded world wide. He needs to come back and lead his army. Will I believe it is MJ himself or not himself after he Bams? Definitely I'll be sure if it's him. There're very unique parts of him that makes him recognizable. I never believed the 02 guy was a double. It was MJ himself, in TII as well. I know where to look to be sure if that's Michael or not. So I would definitely recognize him if he BAMS. It was already proved to me that Michael is alive and if he BAMS, that would be an ultra double proof. :)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
To whom  it may concern,

Your welcome for the post of information that is already said.  ;)

Here is another thought of mine.

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There would be no reason for an informer named TS posting for MJ needing to prove who is is after the BAM unless of course he is MJ.

It is this statement from TS that makes me think that way.

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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
He at least points out with that statement that he is someone we all know, otherwise there is no point in saying that. TS knows a shit load about MJ and the hoax, so it's just logic that he is Mike himself. But he could also still be someone very close to him. Either way there is no point in knowing who he is for now. We should look at his information, and not who he is. All we need to know is that he is genuine and supportive. He already proved that.
This I agree on however that isn't my point when I said what I did. Right now we here on the forum are saying it doesn't matter who he is because we have read the info and weighed it and it adds up so we don't worry about TS' identity (for now).

 My point is if it is this hard to prove yourself trust worthy under an alias on a forum discussing your death: how hard will it be when the time comes to really take off the mask? How many people right now would believe him if he said who he was tomorrow?

I wonder...

Peace
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 08:47:06 PM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
To whom  it may concern,

Your welcome for the post of information that is already said.  ;)

Here is another thought of mine.

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There would be no reason for an informer named TS posting for MJ needing to prove who is is after the BAM unless of course he is MJ.

It is this statement from TS that makes me think that way.

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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
He at least points out with that statement that he is someone we all know, otherwise there is no point in saying that. TS knows a shit load about MJ and the hoax, so it's just logic that he is Mike himself. But he could also still be someone very close to him. Either way there is no point in knowing who he is for now. We should look at his information, and not who he is. All we need to know is that he is genuine and supportive. He already proved that.
This I agree on however that isn't my point when I said what I did. Right now we here on the forum are saying it doesn't matter who he is because we have read the info and weighed it and it adds up so we don't worry about TS' identity (for now).

 My point is if it is this hard to prove yourself trust worthy under an alias on a forum discussing your death: how hard will it be when the time comes to really take off the mask? How many people right now would believe him if he said who he was tomorrow?

I wonder...

Peace

At least one very persistent person...  ;)
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: December 31, 2010, 09:17:57 PM
Couple persistent people. 3 or 4. Maybe a few.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 07:20:48 AM
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Well I'm 1500% sure that Michael is alive. To me, the numerology and the behaviour of the family proves that MJ is alive. But still I would want MJ to BAM, not only for my own relief but also for the message to be spreaded world wide. He needs to come back and lead his army. Will I believe it is MJ himself or not himself after he Bams? Definitely I'll be sure if it's him. There're very unique parts of him that makes him recognizable. I never believed the 02 guy was a double. It was MJ himself, in TII as well. I know where to look to be sure if that's Michael or not. So I would definitely recognize him if he BAMS. It was already proved to me that Michael is alive and if he BAMS, that would be an ultra double proof. :)
WOW you feel the way I feel!Plus all other clues :not only the numerology and the family...I want him to comeback also because some fans think we are crazy...and the thing that makes me mad is that these fans are the one that followed him everywhere on the streets concerts etc! and dare to call us mad! what will they do when Michael comes back?? they would call him a fake? start a war??  :?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 10:01:20 AM
IDK. Would not be the right enviroment for Michael to post under a name which no one would find who he is?

TS´s posts are very elaborated and looks to me that people think about Michael straight the way.

Who knows! Michael could post under the name of a lovely 13 year old girl, very active in the forum as well.

With this I mean that if Michael reads the forum, could be any one.

I read TS´s posts and I find a person in the know predicting events before are shown in certain medias, that´s the only link regarding the hoax. Also, the numerology has been explained but would it be possible to keep things as simple as could get?  :D

To this point I just want to know in what way I could help or contribute to something positive regarding Michael (beyond the web "make that change"already up).

This clue solving up to each ones interpretation did not help much.

Does Michael want us to DO something? and, what?
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 01:15:07 PM
Maybe that I am reading too much into it but I understand it a little differently when TS says:

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Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identityto help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.

This is not the identity itself that people will not believe imo but rather what TS will say about himself. I don't know if you get what I am trying to say. There is the "identity" part (name; first name) + "what I say about myself" (??). Well maybe that I'm going too far here but why does TS say that the predictions are for helping the people believe what he will say about himself and not just to help us believe who he is?? There is clearly a difference expressed here. But well I can be wrong of course.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
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IDK. Would not be the right enviroment for Michael to post under a name which no one would find who he is?

TS´s posts are very elaborated and looks to me that people think about Michael straight the way.

Who knows! Michael could post under the name of a lovely 13 year old girl, very active in the forum as well.

With this I mean that if Michael reads the forum, could be any one.

I read TS´s posts and I find a person in the know predicting events before are shown in certain medias, that´s the only link regarding the hoax. Also, the numerology has been explained but would it be possible to keep things as simple as could get?  :D

To this point I just want to know in what way I could help or contribute to something positive regarding Michael (beyond the web "make that change"already up).

This clue solving up to each ones interpretation did not help much.

Does Michael want us to DO something? and, what?

Hi! Gema,

Considering the Teddy Riley and Diddy tweets, Michael seems to want to raise awareness that he is alive.  I have been thinking on how to best help Michael and I think that we need to sow the seeds that he may be alive to the broader public.  This may do nothing but it may also make more and more people researching the net and asking questions. Either way, I don't think it can hurt Michael, it can only make his return safer.

Another friend beLIEver suggested that we could distribute little flyers in our communities, I also like the idea of little Posters left in places where a lot of people walk past or even getting an advert published in a local magazines/free papers.
It could be a simple message (See example below) and it could easily be changed/translated to meet local needs.
We could mobilise the Army of Love easily using the group email address.  The exercise could be repeated as many times as we wish and in as many areas as we want.

[center:3ro5fztc]------------------------------------------------------[/center:3ro5fztc]
Do You Know That MICHAEL JACKSON IS STILL ALIVE and WILL RETURN !!

Did you know that Michael Jackson loves illusion, mystery and showmanship? Did you know that he left many CLUES behind that reveal he is currently in the midst of his GRANDEST ILLUSION EVER !! Look beyond the media LIES that were presented as TRUTH and see the inconsistencies for yourself. Many people have already become enlightened--- do not wait and be the last to know. Search the internet NOW and become informed. THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON'S GREATEST PERFORMANCE EVER --- AND REMEMBER :

TRUTH IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT IT SEEMS

from Michael's Army of Love (add web address)


[center:3ro5fztc]------------------------------------------------------[/center:3ro5fztc]

I think we do need to do a bit more work on the Army of Love website first,there are still some "bare patches". It would be good if we could find a way to point gently to the Hoax or give a first clue.

Any thoughts anybody?

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 04:05:23 PM
RunningGirl, I think that's a great idea, and the wording is perfect, but I don't think we should include any web address at the bottom. I think the fact that this site comes up near the top on relevant Google searches is enough, and readers of the info are encouraged to search the internet, otherwise we risk coming across hypocritical, "the truth is not always as it seems... so come read our version of it", you know?

It's more powerful, in my opinion, to plant the seed of doubt and let them come find us.
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 01, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Quote from: "PureLove"
Well I'm 1500% sure that Michael is alive. To me, the numerology and the behaviour of the family proves that MJ is alive. But still I would want MJ to BAM, not only for my own relief but also for the message to be spreaded world wide. He needs to come back and lead his army. Will I believe it is MJ himself or not himself after he Bams? Definitely I'll be sure if it's him. There're very unique parts of him that makes him recognizable. I never believed the 02 guy was a double. It was MJ himself, in TII as well. I know where to look to be sure if that's Michael or not. So I would definitely recognize him if he BAMS. It was already proved to me that Michael is alive and if he BAMS, that would be an ultra double proof. :)
WOW you feel the way I feel!Plus all other clues :not only the numerology and the family...I want him to comeback also because some fans think we are crazy...and the thing that makes me mad is that these fans are the one that followed him everywhere on the streets concerts etc! and dare to call us mad! what will they do when Michael comes back?? they would call him a fake? start a war??  :?

Well probably some of them would think that he is a fake but sooner or later they will all understand that he's Michael himself. But I definitely would love to see their faces when Michael appears :lol:
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 02, 2011, 05:40:54 AM
You're right, Purelove!!!! Me tooo!!!!
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Re: TIAI 12/19

  • on: January 02, 2011, 09:08:44 PM
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RunningGirl, I think that's a great idea, and the wording is perfect, but I don't think we should include any web address at the bottom. I think the fact that this site comes up near the top on relevant Google searches is enough, and readers of the info are encouraged to search the internet, otherwise we risk coming across hypocritical, "the truth is not always as it seems... so come read our version of it", you know?

It's more powerful, in my opinion, to plant the seed of doubt and let them come find us.

Thank you for the feedback Bec, an anonymous "note" adds even more Mystery and is true to the message.

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