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Because some people accuse me of blindly following TS without questioning, I decided to take the challenge and calculate the chance of coincidence. I can see the chance is astronomical small without having to calculate, but maybe others are not that good with math, so here it's all calculated so you can see why I am certain it's not all coincidence. The person that gets this chance under 1 in a million, will receive an additional $999 from me. I wish you good luck! :lol: Quote from: "TS"$999 Reward!!!On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.Be sure to include:a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999j. 777 + 999 = 1776k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21At this time we didn't hear anything yet, the 911 call started the hoax. If he planned on doing the hoax on June 25 and the time is just a coincidence, we must keep in mind the following:June 25 had 24 hours. 24 hours are 1,440 minutes which equals 86,400 seconds. The chance the 911 call was placed at exactly 12:21:04 is therefore 1 in 86,400. But the seconds are not planned, which leaves us to 1 chance in 1,440. But we need to devide that in 2, because the clock will show us 12:21 (which is the 'coincidence' here) twice every day. so we write down for our final calculation: 1/720. Let's go on...b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7Still keeping in mind that he planned his death on June 25, there are 11 hours and 39 minutes left, which equals 699 minutes. That means that it is a chance of 1 in 699. 2:26 is chosen iMO because February 26 was the date that Thriller became #1, but let's forget about that. He also could have chosen 0 hours and 7 minutes, 1 hour and 6 minutes, 3 hours and 4 minutes, 4 hours and 3 minutes 5 hours and 2 minutes, 6 hours and 1 minute and 7 hours and 0 minutes. In that case I am not taking into account the likeliness of dying withing a certain amount of time after you had a cardiac arrest. That means that after 12:21 there were 8 times of death that would reduce to 7. So the chance that the hour and minute would make 7 is 8/699.c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7This one is quite simple, the chance that a 4 digit number reduces to 7 is 1 in 9 (it can never reduce to 0). But here we have the 2:26 back. Let's see what happens if we use the other 7 possible times of death and add them to 1,221, to make sure my calculation above (point b) is correct and that 2:26 as a number should not make a difference, or that I need to change 8/699.1,221 + 1,228 (12:28 is 0 hours and 7 minutes after 12:21) = 2,449. 2+4+4+9=19, 1+9=10, 1+0=11,221 + 127 (1:27 is 1 hour and 6 minutes after 12:21) = 1,348. 1+3+4+8=16, 1+6=71,221 + 325 (3:25 is 3 hours and 4 minutes after 12:21) = 1,546. 1+5+4+6=16, 1+6=71,221 + 424 (4:24 is 4 hours and 3 minutes after 12:21) = 1,645. 1+6+4+5=16, 1+6=71,221 + 523 (5:23 is 5 hours and 2 minutes after 12:21) = 1,744. 1+7+4+4=16, 1+6=71,221 + 622 (6:22 is 6 hours and 1 minutes after 12:21) = 1,843. 1+8+4+3=16, 1+6=71,221 + 721 (7:21 is 7 hours and 0 minutes after 12:21) = 1,942. 1+9+4+2=16, 1+6=7So conclusion is that besides 2:26, 6 other times would make 77. All besides 7 minutes after 12:21. That does mean my former calculation under point b needs to be changed to 7/699.d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)The chance that this is 777 is as follows:chance that it is the 7th day: 1/31 (July has 31 days)Chance that it is the 7th month: 1/12 (a year has 12 months)chance that it is 7 years after 2002 will is impossible to calculate, because there are endless years after 2002. But to calculate with something, let's reduce the number of years to 7, which makes it more likely to be 7 years. Of course we all know that's not true, but I don't want to calculate with big numbers so people can say later that I cheated. So 1/7.Chance that it is a full moon: 1/27 (It takes roughly 27 days for the moon to travel around the earth)Chance that this is all happening at once: 1/31 x 1/12 x 1/7 x 1/27 = 1/70,308e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09Again, there are endless days before 9/9, but let's focus on the year he chose to 'die': 2009. September 9 is the 252nd day of the year, that means that there are 251 other days before 9/9 in 2009. The chance that the day of death is 77 to 9/9 is therefore 1/251. Because we can calculate with inclusive reckoning, we should again divide this by 2, because June 24 would be 77 days from 9/9 as well, without inclusive reckoning. So we note for our calculation a chance of 2/251f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)Between 'death' and 9-9-09 are 75 possible burial dates (77 days -/- June 25 itself and -/- 9/9 itself) So the chance that the burial is 7 days to 9-9-09 is 1/75. But not really, because again we should take inclusive reckoning into account, which makes the chance 2/75.g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999There are 3 vowels in This Is It, all the exsisting vowels in the alfabet are a, e, i, o, u & y, so 6 in total. The chance that all 3 vowels in This Is Is are one and the same (i) is therefore 1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6 = 1/216. In this scenario I am not looking at all at sentences that are possible, or combinations of letters to make a sentence, because my math doesn't reach that far and the chance would only become smaller. So in this case the chance that all 3 vowels in a sentence with 3 vowels in total are one and the same is 1/216.h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998Mike chose himself to have an album/tour name like this, with 3 letters in CAPS. Again this is impossible form me to calculate because my brain is frying already, but let's say he could have chosen any 3 letters in caps in any kind of title and that this is just a coincidence. Let's see first which combinations would make 1998:HIS (backwards) 8-9-19SIH 19-9-8HIIA (backwards) 8-9-9-1AIIH 1-9-9-84 different combinations are possible, although as you can see only one makes sense but I am only looking at chances here and not if words make sense, but to make the chance as likely as possible, let's calculate with the 3-letter-words.The chance he choses 3 letters (consonant - vowel - consonant) that makes 1998 either forward or backwards:First letter is a consonant and makes 19 or 8: 2/20 (20 consonants in total, only the H and S qualify)Second letter is a vowel and makes 9: 1/6 (6 vowels in total, only the I makes 9)First letter is a consonant and makes 19 or 8: 2/20 (20 consonants in total, only the H and S qualify)So the chance that those 3 letters combined make 1998 is 2/20 x 1/6 x 2/20 = 4/2400 which reduces to 1/600.i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999The chance that a 4-digit number makes 999 when you calculate with this formula is 1/10,000 (0000-9,999) because 1998 is the only one that makes 999 with this formula. Try it with every 4-digit number yourself. But because people might object and say that 0000 is simply nothing and 0009 and 0999 for example would reduce to 9 and 999 and is not really a 4-digit number, let's say the chance is 1/9,000 (1,000-9,999).j. 777 + 999 = 1776The chance that 777 + 999 makes 1,776 is simply 1, but that's not the point. In the hoax we are constantly reminded or 3-digit numbers like 111, 333 etc. and both 777 and 999 used repeatedly in relation to TII. But let's see what the chances are that 2 3-digit numbers (3 the same numbers) makes 1,776. The only possibility is 888+888 (reminds me of Elvis...)All the other 3-digit numbers with 3 the same numbers are: 111, 222, 333, 444, 555 and 666. This means that there are 81 different combinations possible (9x9). Only 3 combinations make 1776 (777+999, 888+888 & 999+777). So the chance that a combination would make 1776 is 3/81.k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111The duration time of the movie is 111 minutes, the other numbers are constantly repeating throughout the hoax. Let's say (to make the chance as likely as possible again) that 1,998 is the last number, that there are no other numbers after 1,998. What are the chances that the 7 numbers most dominant in the hoax are all divisible by 111? That would be 1,998 to the power 7 = Approx. 1/127,106,684,000,000,000,000,000 (I might have missed one or two 0's...) l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)This is a hard one. I will have to calculate myself because I seriously can't remember the formula for this. Let's start with Elvis. What is the chance that Elvis would 'die' on a date that equals his reference to 2001 during his last concerts? For that I have checked the statistics for the avarage average life expectancy for men. "In the U.S., average life expectancy at birth is about 79 years for women and about 72 years for men." http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/199 ... veLon.htmlSo according to this Elvis had a life expectancy of 72 years from 1/8/1935 on. There are 26,663 days in between his birth date (1/8/1935) and his expected day of death (1/8/2008) http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... =1&y2=2008. But the chance his death date would reduce to 2001 with this formula (month+date+year) is not 1/26,663, because there are more dates that make 2001. We also need to reduce the amount of days, because he was clearly not dead yet when he sang it. Let's see how many days are in between June 26, 1977 (date of his last concert) and his expected death date (1/8/2008). There are 11,153 days in between. http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... =1&y2=2008So we already reduced it to 1/11,153. But all dates after 1/1/1999 won't work, because this is the last date that makes 2001, all other dates will be higher. So we can reduce it to 1/7,859 http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... =1&y2=1999Here is where my math education is failing me, because I can't remember how I can find out in a quick formula to see what other dates would make 2001, so I need to do it like this, starting at June 26, 1977:1977 2001 - 1977 = 24. Dates that make 24 after June 26, 1977 are 7/17, 8/16, 9/15, 10/14, 11/13 and 12/12. So 1977 had 6 dates that reduced to 2001.19782001 - 1978 = 23. Dates that make 23 in 1978 are 1/22, 2/21, 3/20, 4/19, 5/18, 6/17, 7/16, 8/15, 9/14, 10/13, 11/12 and 12/11. So 1978 had 12 dates that reduced to 2001. This will keep this way from 1979 to 1988, because 2001 -/- one of those dates makes 13 (2001-1988) or more, which means all months have a possible date, with 12/1/1988 being the last date in December. After that each year will loose a date, for example 2001-1989=12, so 12/1 is not possible anymore, and 2001-1990=11, which means in that year both November and December have no possible date. So that means:1979: 12 dates1980: 12 dates1981: 12 dates1982: 12 dates1983: 12 dates1984: 12 dates1985: 12 dates1986: 12 dates1987: 12 dates1988: 12 dates1989: 11 dates1990: 10 dates1991: 9 dates1992: 8 dates1993: 7 dates1994: 6 dates1995: 5 dates1996: 4 dates1997: 3 dates1998: 2 dates1999: 1 dateThat means that in total there were 204 dates between June 26, 1977 and January 1, 1999. So that means that the chance that Elvis would coincidentally die on a date that would make 2001 with the formula that is used, is 204/7,859Same calculation for Mike, with October 15, 1997 being the starting date (last HIStory gig) and August 29, 2040 being the end date (expected death).1997 2040 - 1997 = 43. Dates that make 43 after October 15, 1997? Just one: 12/31.19982040 - 1998 = 42. Dates that make 42 in 1998 is only 12/30, because 11/31 doesn't exsist.19992040 - 1999 = 41. Dates that make 41 in 1999 are 12/29 and 11/30, 2 Dates20002040 - 2000 = 40. Dates: 12/28, 11/29 & 10/30. 3 Dates20012040 - 2001 = 39. Dates: 12/27, 11/28, 10/29 & 9/30. 4 Dates20022040 - 2002 = 38. Dates: 12/26, 11/27, 10/28, 9/29, 8/30. 5 DatesEvery year a date will be added. In 2008 Februari should be added, but since Februari only had 29 days in 2008, and 2040-2008=32, February doesn't have a possible date in 2008, but January is added (1/31). 2003: 6 Dates2004: 7 Dates2005: 8 Dates2006: 9 Dates2007; 10 Dates2008: 11 Dates2009: 11 Dates (2040 - 2009 = 31 and because 2009 was not a leap year, there was no 2/29, so again no possible date in February)2010: 12 DatesThen each year will have again 12 possible dates, until 2027. So after 2010 there are 27 x 12 = 324 more possible dates.2040 - 2028 = 12, so from this year on we will loose a date each year, because 12/0 does not exsist.2028: 11 Dates2029: 10 Dates2030: 9 Dates2031: 8 Dates2032: 7 Dates2033: 6 Dates2034: 5 Dates2035: 4 Dates2036: 3 Dates2037: 2 Dates2038 1 Date (1/1/2038 as last possible date)That means that in total there are 480 possible dates between October 15, 1997 and January 1, 2038. In total there are 14,688 days between those 2 dates http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duratio ... =1&y2=2038, so the chance that Mike would coincidentially die on a date that would make 2040 is 480/14,688This means that the chance that both Elvis & MJ would die on a date that made the year referred to on their concert intro, would be 204/7,859 x 480/14,688 = 97,920/115,432,992Conclusion: I did not win the $999, because the chance that all the above were merely coincidences, is astronomical little:Chance of a: 1/720Chance of b: 7/699Chance of c: 1/10Chance of d: 1/70308Chance of e: 2/251Chance of f: 2/75Chance of g: 1/216Chance of h: 1/600Chance of i: 1/9000Chance of j: 1/81Chance of k: 1/127106684000000000000000 (forget about this one for a second)Chance of l: 97920/1154329921/720 x 7/699 x 1/9 x 1/70308 x 2/251 x 2/75 x 1/216 x 1/600 x 1/9000 x 3/81 x 97920/115432992 = 8225280/65381426700000000000000000000000000 or in other words a chance of 0,000000000000000000000000000125804535% (http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=822 ... =&gs_rfai=)IF we also take point k into account, the chance would be even smaller: 8225280/65381426700000000000000000000000000 x 1/127106684000000000000000 = 8225280/8310416340000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000So actually the chance that all the above was just a coincidence is 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466%That's 1 in a gaziliabilionzilliontrillion.I know I didn't calculate parts the exact way it should, but as you can see I always tried to make the possibility as likely as possible.viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067&p=234983&

$999 Reward!!!On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.Be sure to include:a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999j. 777 + 999 = 1776k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!

During his tenure, he transformed Sony into one of the most successful global music companies, expanding its businesses into over 60 countries, while creating one of the strongest management teams in the industry. He revitalized Sony Music's publishing division by making such acquisitions as the Beatles catalogue and enabled Sony to become the first major music company to make available commercial digital downloads. He is widely well-known for signing, developing, and nurturing the careers of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Destiny's Child, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, Gloria Estefan, the Dixie Chicks, Marc Anthony, Barbra Streisand, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, among others. He also worked with Michael Jackson briefly while he recorded his Invincible (2001) album. He later stated he did not like working with Tommy and that he was a racist and devil.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Mottola#Sony

In March 2006, the main house at the Neverland Ranch was closed as a cost-cutting measure. There were numerous reports around that time that Jackson was having financial problems. Jackson had been deliquent on his repayments of a $270 million loan secured against his music publishing holdings, even though those holdings were reportedly making him as much as $75 million a year. Bank of America sold the debt to Fortress Investments. Sony reportedly proposed a restructuring deal which would give them a future option to buy half of Jackson's stake in their jointly owned publishing company (leaving Jackson with a 25% stake). Jackson agreed to a Sony-backed refinancing deal in April 2006, although the exact details were not made public. Jackson did not have a recording contract in place with Sony or any other major record label at the time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ja ... 80.9309.29

It is also odd that Eliza's DNA results were good enough for the judge in Memphis to allow Vernon Presley's estate to be reopened. And yes, it definitely was reopened. I followed the case on a daily basis. Did any of you know that Lisa Marie and Sandy Miller (attempted) were both contacted through the court? But all of this is not good enough for all of you.http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1

Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.In other words, what if she's making the whole thing up? That's something I've thought about at length (I am a lawyer, after all). If Eliza invented all of this, and the DNA isn't from Presley relatives but is really from her own cousins, and none of them are Elvis relations, then all of the following would have to be true:Jesse would have to be "in on it," because his DNA matches Eliza's -- so they really are half-siblings.That would mean either she or Jesse would have had to track the other down, despite their age difference, because Eliza was adopted as a baby and didn't know she had a brother.They would have also had to track down cousins from both sides of Jesse's family, which again would have been tough because Eliza was adopted.The would-be-scam would have been started back in at least 2001, because that's when the Dr. Hinton book about Elvis being alive was published.The scammers would have had to fool Suzanne Stratford and her bosses at FOX 8 TV News (unless they're in on it, of course), because they never would have done the stories if they thought Eliza and Jesse were committing fraud.They would had to have fooled Dr. Yates and his DNA company, as well as Shirley Mason (the graphologist), among many others -- not to mention the Missouri Attorney General.Plus, they would have had to plan to submit the Jesse DNA to FOX 8 TV News back in 2002 and then wait to spring their master plan into action in 2008, because Eliza's 2008 sample from the pink Elvis envelope and the 2002 Jesse sample that FOX 8 TV News had tested match each other. Why begin a scam in 2001 only to wait until 2008 to see it through?Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it's not true ... unless, of course, it IS true. In other words, if this was a fraud, it would be so easy for the "Presley" camp to disprove it that no one would think they could get away with it Yet no one has come forward in the court case to stop Eliza. http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html

ok so thank you for sharing your views and opinions, and reminding people of MJ and numerologymay I ask what is circled in the last pic on the left, from the pic of the album cover?

AMEN SOUZA!!! APPLAUDING YOU SO LOUDLY!!! SUCH AN AMAZING POST!!! Thank you so much for such an effort, spending your time and making this very enlightening post!!!If I could do it, I would love to applaud your effort like this dude :lol:[youtube:32u6218z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZP7fOylH4[/youtube:32u6218z]

And about Michael's numerology, may I add this spaceship which directly points to the "death" date. :D25+06+2009=2040

Quote from: "CrazyBanana"ok so thank you for sharing your views and opinions, and reminding people of MJ and numerologymay I ask what is circled in the last pic on the left, from the pic of the album cover?the one with Bubbles? a 7

Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"Quote from: "CrazyBanana"ok so thank you for sharing your views and opinions, and reminding people of MJ and numerologymay I ask what is circled in the last pic on the left, from the pic of the album cover?the one with Bubbles? a 7oh no , the circle on the tux

Quote from: "CrazyBanana"Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"Quote from: "CrazyBanana"ok so thank you for sharing your views and opinions, and reminding people of MJ and numerologymay I ask what is circled in the last pic on the left, from the pic of the album cover?the one with Bubbles? a 7oh no , the circle on the tuxIt's the dangerous autograph code.

I would hate to get slapped by him than anyone else. :shock:

Quote from: "PureLove"AMEN SOUZA!!! APPLAUDING YOU SO LOUDLY!!! SUCH AN AMAZING POST!!! Thank you so much for such an effort, spending your time and making this very enlightening post!!!If I could do it, I would love to applaud your effort like this dude :lol:[youtube:1nafnj4r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZP7fOylH4[/youtube:1nafnj4r]I would hate to get slapped by him than anyone else. :shock:

AMEN SOUZA!!! APPLAUDING YOU SO LOUDLY!!! SUCH AN AMAZING POST!!! Thank you so much for such an effort, spending your time and making this very enlightening post!!!If I could do it, I would love to applaud your effort like this dude :lol:[youtube:1nafnj4r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZP7fOylH4[/youtube:1nafnj4r]

Souza, your post is very eloquent.Imo, People just panic at times and can´t find clearly what they panic from.I still don´t understand why TS involved Elvis with this hoax on the first place. The chaos starts from there.

Could be. May be TS could redirect to the answer to the question someday.Also I would like to know, why "LIE" in "beLIEve" are used in versals?

Quote from: "~Souza~"Hmmm, let's see...Option 1: There is a chance he needs to wait for the Eliza case/Vernon exhumation, and the planning for his own exhumation as well. I do hope he is ready though, by that I mean he knows we're here for him when he needs us and he feels safe and supported enough to come back. I haven't seen TS redirect to Mr. Marley yet, so despite yesterday's redirect, I'm still a liddle worried. In this case Mike might have had several dates in mind, some of which have already passed, some still to come. There are many factors he can't control, so in this case he has some buffers.Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.Option 3: He is deciding if he will be back at all.I haven't made up my mind yet. I am leaning towards option 2, but it could be option 1 as well, simply because it makes sense. Although I would definitely understand option 3, I don't think that's the case, because then all of this would have been in vain. I don't see him starting something without finishing it, most certainly not something like this where he has put his heart and soul in.I LIKE the combo of Option 1 and 2.It is MY belief that when Michael began planning and preparing for this "hoax" he indeed knew the "perfect day" to "die". Based on what I know about him and his love of numerology, he could pinpoint the "perfect day" to "die" and during his planning phase, (the years from the start, all the way up to today) he probably has added some things and deleted some things to his plan according to circumstances out of his control. Flexibility is key. ;) Think about ALL the shit he has endured since roughly 1991. While planning this "hoax" I am thinking he probably adjusted the original plan to include REVENGE and Personal VENDETTAS that came about as a result of The Conspiracies towards him.These things NEED to be finished and ticked off a list before this is over. 8-) It is my opinion that Michael indeed has a rough timeframe for his "BAM" (whatever that means to him.) I believe that the year 2012 is a major clue for the rough draft timeframe of a "BAM" and the intial end of the "hoax". I also believe that there are exact planned dates still to come for certain things to play out accordingly but, what happens in between those dates to this "hoax" is out of Michael's hands (kind of), he has no control over how we as "hoax" players are gonna act, or respond to any of this. He can influence us, by clues or TS Updates, TMZ articles, his own family but, when it comes down to it THIS HOAX has a LIFE of it's own.There is ALOT of things ALL happening and being accomplished at the same time.What better way to Get A Message out to The World? Fake your death and get people involved in the world's biggest classroom and educate them while entertaining them, so we don't go completely NUTS, lol.PURE GENIUS :mrgreen: Seriously though if Mike had done his concerts in London and it was rumoured that he wanted to use that as a platform for a message, only the people at the concerts would hear the message. Doing it the way he has, SHOCK FACTOR, by Faking his death, getting the publics attention, getting them involved in a game, ARG, teach them ALL (over the net) about ALL the corrupt shit in the world. Recruit for the ARMY of L.O.V.E.AWESOME! :ugeek: Lead by example, that is what Mike has done his whole LIFE, he has lead by example and he continues to LEAD right now. Just read this whole forum, look at his videos, interviews, he is leading the Army of L.O.V.E. RIGHT NOW.Peacesorry I am long winded this has been on my mind for a while.

Hmmm, let's see...Option 1: There is a chance he needs to wait for the Eliza case/Vernon exhumation, and the planning for his own exhumation as well. I do hope he is ready though, by that I mean he knows we're here for him when he needs us and he feels safe and supported enough to come back. I haven't seen TS redirect to Mr. Marley yet, so despite yesterday's redirect, I'm still a liddle worried. In this case Mike might have had several dates in mind, some of which have already passed, some still to come. There are many factors he can't control, so in this case he has some buffers.Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.Option 3: He is deciding if he will be back at all.I haven't made up my mind yet. I am leaning towards option 2, but it could be option 1 as well, simply because it makes sense. Although I would definitely understand option 3, I don't think that's the case, because then all of this would have been in vain. I don't see him starting something without finishing it, most certainly not something like this where he has put his heart and soul in.

Quote from: "Gema"Could be. May be TS could redirect to the answer to the question someday.Also I would like to know, why "LIE" in "beLIEve" are used in versals?You should ask the beLIEvers who started it. I use it because we need to believe MJ being dead is a lie, along with many other things we have been fed by the media.[/color]

Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "Gema"Could be. May be TS could redirect to the answer to the question someday.Also I would like to know, why "LIE" in "beLIEve" are used in versals?You should ask the beLIEvers who started it. I use it because we need to believe MJ being dead is a lie, along with many other things we have been fed by the media.[/color]I think it started with the Criss Angel posters! what happened with that?

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."We're in stage two and all we have to do is keep using our brains, think for ourselves and keep the faith that one day we will be in stage three.