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TIAI November 23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:17:17 AM
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Source: http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/response-to-tiai-1121/

Talking about Jackie O and new memoirs….

Well it looks like there is gonna be some unfolding of mysteries. :-)

So just to review some redirects where TS talked about re: JFK.

R31 – George Cover

R32 – Google Search George

R33 – Murder JFK Jr.

R35 – Conspiracy Murders

R99 – JFK Assassination Cover Up

See http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com “Thisisalsoit.com – to date” for all the redirects.

TIAI Revealed Pt. 7 NWO Powers Control the Media: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572

TIAI Update #5B DO you Think 4 your Self? Section 5-6: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763&p=163734#p163734

To summarize it talks about corruption among leaders, media control, money control, funding agendas, grassy knoll theories and how many know there is a larger conspiracy behind JFK’s death.

Jackie O knew stuff.  I pray she told all in her memoirs.  Jackie O and MJ were friends.  I’m sure MJ was made aware of the corruption and like so many others, they took MJ down (so they thought… hee hee)

And on the 47th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, let’s watch this video with an open mind and allow our eyes to be opened.

[youtube:qjjwbz4v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVYgLjlboU[/youtube:qjjwbz4v]

This is a good video, the JFK speech is very much about tearing apart the NWO to bring freedom back to the World; a message that it also very important to MJ.

Today's redirect makes the link between the anniversary of JFK assassination and the release of Vision.  TS is showing us that the JFK assassination is an important event for MJ and that's why HE decided to release HIS Vision DVD on the same day.
Again, it shows that everything is planned!
The choice of article with the tapes to be be revealed next year may also imply that there is a hidden message in the DVD... to be unveiled at a later date.

Thank You TS

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:22:28 AM
Is TS promoting SONY again…?
I have to remind you that the hidden message in the DVD -famous easter eggs - can be open only from a LEGIT DVD played by a DVD player, and you can't do that with the downloaded version….. I'm going to ask you, is this a marketing idea to sell more copies…?
And about Vision.. they have presented it as a collection of old MJ videos with just one new video, that has been already published all over the web…. So TS is promoting Vision….? Probably, because now people are curious about its hoax connection….
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:34:41 AM
Quote from: "Puff"
Is TS promoting SONY again…?
I have to remind you that the hidden message in the DVD -famous easter eggs - can be open only from a LEGIT DVD played by a DVD player, and you can't do that with the downloaded version….. I'm going to ask you, is this a marketing idea to sell more copies…?
And about Vision.. they have presented it as a collection of old MJ videos with just one new video, that has been already published all over the web…. So TS is promoting Vision….? Probably, because now people are curious about its hoax connection….

Yeah, I think Sony will get mighty rich from a few hundred regular hoaxers...

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http://websiteoutlook.com/www.thisisalsoit.com
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:42:56 AM
My comment here is just this, for TS, maybe he will not deliberately ingore what's been discussed here anymore, and give an answer

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15871&start=0
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:43:46 AM
i knew this would be a redirect. great job lilwendy. you impress me every time.

there's no doubt in my mind that michael has a connection with the kennedys. JFK was one of the most, if not THE, well loved president the US has had. can you imagine when the truth finally comes out- no cryptic clues- and everyone realizes who has been behind what?
 chaos.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:45:15 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
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Is TS promoting SONY again…?
I have to remind you that the hidden message in the DVD -famous easter eggs - can be open only from a LEGIT DVD played by a DVD player, and you can't do that with the downloaded version….. I'm going to ask you, is this a marketing idea to sell more copies…?
And about Vision.. they have presented it as a collection of old MJ videos with just one new video, that has been already published all over the web…. So TS is promoting Vision….? Probably, because now people are curious about its hoax connection….

Yeah, I think Sony will get mighty rich from a few hundred regular hoaxers...

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"thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day"
http://websiteoutlook.com/www.thisisalsoit.com

Maybe SONY will not get rich ( those 776 visitors will generate $21720.24 if they all buy Vision at amazon.com and €29891.52 if 776 people buy it through the official Michael Jackson website and that's easy earning), it has been already getting rich just with the release of TII- cinema and DVDs- but the point is still the same.... SONY is promoting the hoax..... and Michael is using SONY to send us hoax clues...... I have hard times to believe that....
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:21:01 AM
thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:26:31 AM
Quote from: "Tarja"
thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening


i don't know what that's all about, but if TIAI was related to a mega corporation like SONY, i think the worth would be more than 1700 dollars. 1700 dollars to SONY is pocket change. but this is interesting nonetheless.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:38:32 AM
or maybe we actually take TS too in serious to believe he might be related to Sony (even when I write it sounds strange)  when it might only be just someone else who likes to play games.  I now analyze every possibility
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:43:04 AM
I don't think TS is promoting Sony as such because I think Sony is in on the whole thing.  I don't believe for a second all they've done so far is just to con some hoaxers out of a few thousand dollars.  Nor do I think they're covering anything up.  They have far too much to lose by going about it in the way they have if they actually did have something to cover up. They'd be a lot less conspicuous.  IMO anyway.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: "Tarja"
thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening


I really can't believe what is happening on this board lately. What about relax and take a breath and THINK again?

TS is not making money, he needs to sell that domain first, and who is paying 1700$ for it? No one. This site is worth a lot more, and I am not rich either.

The 2.33$ a day is only when you have Google Ads on your site. TS doesn't even HAVE a site, so he doesn't make money with it. He only redirects.

People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.

TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...

Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.

Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:49:43 AM
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thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening

You got to be kidding me? If Sony is covering up a crime then the Jackson family is doing the same thing... You got to put all the pieces together, not just a few of them.

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:58:28 AM
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I really can't believe what is happening on this board lately. What about relax and take a breath and THINK again?

TS is not making money, he needs to sell that domain first, and who is paying 1700$ for it? No one. This site is worth a lot more, and I am not rich either.

The 2.33$ a day is only when you have Google Ads on your site. TS doesn't even HAVE a site, so he doesn't make money with it. He only redirects.

People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.

TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...

Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.

Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.

How are people supposed to debunk him? By trying it mathematically. I am not good at maths and I don't have a diabolical mind to find the logic in how this can be done.

If you are aware of all the scary timings and numbers involved with the 11/9 attacks, then you can see that a horrible plot can happen.

I am not good at math, so how am I supposed to debunk all those numbers? the debunk itself can be just this, plain and simple: it's TS's WORD.Words don't mean facts, and the fact that TS said that doesn't make it truth either. How do you know that those numbers haven't been tried and streched like hell to find a connection with them all? If you spend all your time finding connections in numbers then how am I supposed to explain it? You can search and search until you find a connection and then present it as "strong evidence".If the "STRONG evidence" that TS provided (as he says) is so strong, where is it? a diabolical work of the numbers is EVIDENCE?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:02:02 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.

TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...

Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.

Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.


The other evidences NOT connected to TMZ, are connected to SONY......
In which way the family is promoting the hoax? Randy, for example, is promoting the hoax..?
BTW the estate signed those big deals with SONY, TII and those songs, but which will gave the power to Branca and Mc Clain...? Do you remember what Randy said about the will...? and what the estate's lawyer Weitzman said about it..? Randy said the will was not signed by Michael, beacuse he was in NY, while the will was signed in LA... but Wieztman said the he saw Michael singed the will...... and there it pop up again the bad double hired by someone maybe...?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:07:09 AM
It's my opinion regarding TS and it's "autenticity". I admitt it made me angry the latest things that are showing day by day TS is not as valid as people though, but at the same time I  didn't get into this because of TS, either I put my hope in him. It was just someone who explained some things and inconsciously people  admitted his theories as valid just because they don't have how to prove him wrong. This doesn't actually prove him right so in my opinion TS is just someone to analyze.
Maybe the Sony relation was a bit too much but I am that kind of person who really has her ears open to every single possibility and I don't stick to one thing no matter what.

It's sad to see how many people out there are just making fun of this and how people still fall into their games. TS always said " what bigger evidence you want?? If THIS is not a proof then what else could be??". Don't know if anyone has read psichology regarding human mind and human body language, but this is one of the most common things that shows  a person is lying. I won't jump into conclusions, but the way TS always talked was almost on purpose, in my opinion, that who didn't believe him  would feel crazy not to.

"If THIS is not a proof then what else could be??"- in none of the 150 word pages in my computer, written by TS, is any single BIG proof he was talking about. What proof? Words? Sorry, I was talking about proofs. What relevance? autenticity?  

Some people dropped hope just because the TS theory is falling down and he is sinking. It makes me angry to discover day by day how "trustful" TS is (and I still wait for a conclusion), but my hope doesn't rely on his "great" numerology
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:42:03 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that.

That the DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way changes EVERYTHING about the case itself.  It shows that the persons who submitted the DNA are NOT identified, and despite testing showed a family connection it's NOT proven that the DNA came from in example Elvis/Jesse, Donna Presley and Brenda Smith.

Although there have been a few threads about Elvis since the start of the hoax forums, it wasn't until TS posted Update #6 that people really started looking into it.  It was TS who literally shoved the Elvis/MJ issue down our throats, and who kept on redirecting to Eliza's court case related websites.

While calling Linda Hood Sigmon Jesse's informer, TS suggested to get media attention for this court case.  It was already KNOWN last year that Linda did no longer support Eliza because Eliza refused to drop the case, despite Jesse's request to drop it.  TS even said that Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy, yet still he suggested getting media attention for this court case.

And now it turns out that there's not even Legal Evidence supporting Eliza's case I'm not surprised that people are starting to doubt TS' intentions and credibility.  I myself have a LOT of unanswered questions as well, yet TS prefers to keep redirecting like nothing happened while several people have already asked him for an explanation.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:03:56 AM
To TS:

If you made up all this, to cover your crimes, then don't you think it's the fucking time to come and have the balls to SPEAK? People called me crazy because I always felt you are involved in something BAD. I just think we DESERVE an explanation, so drop the stupid redirects and Bible quotes and come and SPEAK!
Don't you think it's the time yet? What do you want? To gather millions of people blindly believing you and then your mission will be fulfilled? (to cover the crimes)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:50:03 AM
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To TS:

If you made up all this, to cover your crimes, then don't you think it's the fucking time to come and have the balls to SPEAK? People called me crazy because I always felt you are involved in something BAD. I just think we DESERVE an explanation, so drop the stupid redirects and Bible quotes and come and SPEAK!
Don't you think it's the time yet? What do you want? To gather millions of people blindly believing you and then your mission will be fulfilled? (to cover the crimes)

PLEASE READ

5-10. Hoax, Accident, Murder, or Suicide?

Speaking of truth: some have questioned why the TIAI information is cold or mechanical, and not very flowery or intimate; and a similar question has been asked, why I don’t respond to PM’s, etc. When the time is right, the reasons for these things will be very clear. Yet to a certain extent, I will attempt to explain (or re-explain) these things now; and then more fully, at the right time.

I already spend a very large amount of time on the redirects and updates, etc. So I really don’t have time left to communicate on other levels, as well (PM, e-mail, etc); sorry, but that’s just the way that it is (at least for now).

If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart. In fact, although I have complimented numerous people by name (or username) in this forum and elsewhere: I have never once mentioned any forum member by name in a negative context. At times, I have responded to specific complaints, etc; but in those cases, I have not given any name (or link to the statement that I am responding to). I have done this because I’m not here to hurt anyone’s feelings; I’m only here to defend truth.

Since this website is for MJDH INVESTIGATORS: I do my best to provide cold-hard tangible evidence for the sake of investigation—not for the sake of exhilaration! If investigation leads to truth which makes you happy, that’s great! But consider it as a bonus, and not the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose for genuine investigation is to find out the truth—regardless of whether the truth you find makes you happy or sad, etc.

In fact, many non-believers have accused us of thinking that MJ is alive merely because we are in denial, and don’t want to accept that he is dead. But if we are real investigators, then our feelings should not get in the way of our investigation. We should want to know if he is really dead; and if he’s really alive, then we should be able to back it up with cold-hard facts, not mere wishful fantasies.

This is why the information that I provide is, for the most part, cold-hard evidence. In fact, beware of anyone who tries to convince you of anything whatsoever (whether related to MJ or not)—based primarily upon warm fuzzies, and not upon good solid evidence. Personally, I never have and never will try to convince you of anything, without some fairly strong evidence to back it up.

And this is why I have spent a lot of time on the hoax numerology. It may seem cold, dry, and mechanical; but it is tangible evidence, that you can sink your teeth into. It is positively not based upon feelings; and at least for those who understand statistics, it is a category of hard evidence stands head and shoulders above all of the other evidence. As stated in the title of Update #4, it truly is the “Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder”.

One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like “pains” in the memorial. This person most likely has not spent years in music production. If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the “s” sound into the audio. We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital, it’s a thousand times easier.

The “s” may be evidence that something is strange; but it isn’t the least evidence against murder. And there are many other clues that have been found and discussed, and yet could be from a murder plot, not a hoax plot. This is why I focus mainly on the clues from MJ himself before the “death”, and from the rest of the family; these are the sources for clues that are the most reliable (least likely to be involved with murder).

Much of the numerology and timing came from MJ before the “death”; and even after 6-25-09, the family was involved in the memorial and burial timing (as well as the Liberian Girl pictures, etc).

Next to the numerology, Gilda is the greatest proof of hoax, not murder—because it comes from MJ himself. Being a big fan of old movies: no doubt MJ knew that Mundson/Macready, who faked his death, shared the same birthday with MJ {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}. Yet this is not nearly as strong as the numerology—because Gilda by coincidence is one chance in thousands (the quantity of Hollywood movies available for MJ to remake, especially old ones); but the numerology timing by chance is one chance in trillions or more.

Quite the opposite of the numerology being useless, it is actually the key which unlocks the rest of the hoax: when, why, how, who, etc. It shows the “when”, with all the times that were planned; and it also shows that it was planned for many years—which rules out the idea that MJ got sick, and all of sudden decided to fake his death, or any other “last-minute” fake death theories (almost died, but was revived at UCLA, etc).

The 12:21 and the 9-9-09 show some of the major “why’s” of the hoax: the end of the world is near (12-21-2012); turn the NWO upside down (666 to 999); and 777 + 999 = 1776 represents the greatest demonstration for freedom (July 4, 1776), as well as exposing the Illuminati (May 1, 1776), etc.

Although the “how” and “who” of the hoax are not as important as the “when” and especially “why”—yet the numerology does give a few clues even in these areas. It shows some of the “how”—such as no MJ double just happened to die at the exact year, day, and hour. It shows that MJ does have some help from government agents: 333 FBI pages released (the Dangerous formula); and on top of that, it was planned for release on the end of the world date: 12-21 (except it got delayed one day by bad weather). This in turn helps to explain some of the legality questions, etc.

The numerology even shows some of the “who”: such as Kenny Ortega, TII director; he would be the one to have the poster come out on 9-9-09, and release the film 7 weeks later, and edit the duration to 111 minutes (and add the bam after the credits, etc). This also explains why Kenny was closely involved with the memorial and burial {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Ortega; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=675UewpIJtU}. The family did not think that he was a murderer, even though some had already mentioned murder before the burial.

Last but not least: the numerology shows very powerfully that the MJ “death” was not an accident (homicide), or murder (intentional), or suicide. It couldn’t be an accident, because few if any of the times would’ve happened by chance. Murder is a little more plausible, because it would provide a source for all the timing being planned. However, the huge problem here is that the family was involved in at least some of the timing (like the burial).

Worse yet, MJ is the source of much of the numbers and timing; so if MJ was involved in planning his own murder, it would qualify more as assisted suicide. And again, would the family help him carry out a suicide plan? Would they go along with the Liberian Girl pictures, as well as the hoax numerology timing?

For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence. Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!

So for those who just can’t resist the urge to think that MJ is really dead, here is some excellent advice from jacilovesmichael (redirect for 4-8). “And think of this: even if he did kill himself, there’s no way it was an accident. I would never believe in that theory. But either way, he has exposed the lies in the media and the corruption in our world. And either way, everything was planned. Dead or alive, I’ve been awakened by what ever happened or didn’t happen on June 25th.”
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:02:10 AM
Quote from: "jono"
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To TS:

If you made up all this, to cover your crimes, then don't you think it's the fucking time to come and have the balls to SPEAK? People called me crazy because I always felt you are involved in something BAD. I just think we DESERVE an explanation, so drop the stupid redirects and Bible quotes and come and SPEAK!
Don't you think it's the time yet? What do you want? To gather millions of people blindly believing you and then your mission will be fulfilled? (to cover the crimes)

PLEASE READ

5-10. Hoax, Accident, Murder, or Suicide?

I already spend a very large amount of time on the redirects and updates, etc. So I really don’t have time left to communicate on other levels, as well (PM, e-mail, etc); sorry, but that’s just the way that it is (at least for now).

Redirecting a website only takes a few minutes.  TS' posts are long, but it's 75 days ago since he last posted.  I can't imagine he's been writing on a new post for 75 days already, if so then he's writing a novel.

My days have 24 hours like everyone else's, yet I do have the time to write long posts, reply here on the boards, answer my emails & PMs, spend time on other forums, get my work done and take care of two children, the dogs and the cats.  I even have time to go out, attend gigs and spend time with family in the weekends.

So the "I don’t have time left to communicate on other levels" comment is a pretty week excuse to avoid giving some answers.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:11:22 AM
@Mo - That is one fierce post  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:16:51 AM
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thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening


I really can't believe what is happening on this board lately. What about relax and take a breath and THINK again?

TS is not making money, he needs to sell that domain first, and who is paying 1700$ for it? No one. This site is worth a lot more, and I am not rich either.

The 2.33$ a day is only when you have Google Ads on your site. TS doesn't even HAVE a site, so he doesn't make money with it. He only redirects.

People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.

TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...

Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.

Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.


This is exactly what I don't understand. If TS is fooling us then what exactly are Sony gaining? Not that much money from us and the small amount of people who follow TS not even everyone is even ok with the new album. (I'm not loving it to be honest as I have said before). I think it would make more sense for TS to be a crazed fan than part of a murder cover up. (which would indeed have to be an extemely crazed fan to have lasted this long and to have come out with so much info). What I cannot for the life of me understand is why people have switched from being believers and following TS, to doubt being created, to 'BAM' ok actually TS might be covering up a murder?? Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said? And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:20:42 AM

Okay, since this is all only because of Mo's recent post about the DNA evidence, I will try again. I already replied in that thread that the fact that Eliza's DNA proof didn't go through a court progress wasn't new at all. The lawyer would have mispresented the case, Eliza is a fake, now TS is a fake and Sony, TS and TMZ are covering up a murder plot. All because Mo posted something that has been available to you all since the start. Mo, as you were a little pissed off that I never posted that information, here it is and notice you have had this info since day 1.


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The Elvis Presley Conspiracy (Part IV): What does it all mean?

Many people have contacted me wondering about the final installment in The Probate Lawyer Blog's coverage of Eliza Presley and her efforts to prove she's telling the truth about The Elvis Presley Conspiracy.  Here are the prior installments to refresh your memory.  I promised I would share my personal thoughts about Eliza's DNA and other evidence.

Now I am able to report that I have read all of Eliza's reports from the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada, which analyzed the DNA.  In fact, it's only one of many labs that have examined the DNA at different times.  But it's the only lab to have issued reports about all the various samples.

This Paleo-DNA lab reports show:

Eliza and "Jesse" are "1.6 x 10 [to the fifth power] times more likely to be half-siblings as compared to an untested, unrelated person of the general population.  These statistics indicate that these two individuals are likely to be biologically related as half-siblings sharing one parent."  The report shows a match of 9 out of the 13 "loci" tested.
The likelihood of Jesse being Eliza's father is zero (apparently 11 out of 13 matching "loci" is needed for that).
Jesse and Brenda Smith [the recognized maternal first cousin of Elvis] are 418 times more likely to be related than someone from the general population, suggesting they are biologically related.  6 out of 13 "loci" match.
Jesse and Donna Presley [the recognized paternal first cousin of Elvis] are 45.7 times more likely to be related than the general public, again indicating they are likely to be biologically related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
Eliza and Donna Presley are 31.95 times more likely to be related, so once again, they are likely to be related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
The 2002 FOX TV Jesse sample was a 100% match with the 2008 Jesse sample (the pink envelope sent to Eliza).  All 13 out of 13 "loci" match.
The matching number of "loci" determines if there is a genetic match of kinship.  The closer the relationship between people tested means more "loci" will match.  Each person would match himself or herself 100%, and no one else (unless there was an identical twin).

With these reports, there are way too many matching "loci" for all of this to be a coincidence.

These reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as "Jesse" are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley.  Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself.

Think about it -- who else is related that close to your cousins on both sides of your family?  Only you and your siblings.  Even your children and parents wouldn't match as close because they only share half of your DNA.

And I'm not the only one who read the reports and came to this conclusion.  Suzanne Stratford did another report for FOX 8 TV News about Eliza's DNA evidence, which you can watch here.  This report concludes that the samples do match.

Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results.  The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza's claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis.  And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive.  Here's a Memphis newspaper article about it.

Does this mean the world is ready to believe Eliza?

Not quite yet.
Elvis' death is a "truth" that has been accepted for more than 30 years.  Eliza is literally trying to rewrite history.  She's going to need absolute, undeniable proof before she can garner widespread acceptance.  But, she's spent too many years of her life battling those who don't want the truth to come out to stop now.

While the evidence I've seen is strong and compelling, I believe the public will need to see something more direct and concrete to prove a conspiracy this strong.  Relying on blind samples provided by cousins, outside of the court process, is not enough to change the history books.

There are only two ways to do so.


One would be for Lisa Marie Presley to come forward and provide a little saliva for a DNA test. The attorney for Elvis Presley Enterprises said in the past that Lisa Marie won't, because once she does it for one person, then she'll have to do it for everyone claiming to be related to Elvis.

The problem with that excuse is that Eliza is the only one who has ever presented enough evidence to convince a judge to reopen a Presley Estate.  No one else has gotten that far.

Second, if Lisa Marie provides her DNA once, there would be a record of it and she wouldn't have to ever submit it again.  The one sample could be tested against anyone claiming to be related to Elvis.  So why not do it?

So far, she refused to cooperate when asked by the FOX TV News team in Cleveland, even though it would have quickly ended this entire debate.  In fact, Lisa Marie moved to London shortly after Eliza Presley's lawsuit was refiled last August.

Eliza tells me that she will try to compel Lisa Marie to provide her DNA through the ongoing court case, but if Lisa Marie remains in Europe, that's not going to happen.

Which means there is only one other option to conclusively expose the conspiracy to the world.  Vernon's grave would have to be exhumed and his body tested.  And while they're at it, Elvis' grave should be opened as well.

I know, it sounds very distasteful, and I've asked Eliza about doing that very thing.  She doesn't want to do it, unless she absolutely has to.  When I first asked her about that possibility, she said it was "unthinkable".

I for one believe there is no choice if Eliza wants to prove she's telling the truth ... unless Lisa Marie Presley changes her mind and donates a little saliva.

Exhuming bodies of famous people for DNA testing has been done before.  Here's an article I wrote about famed football player George "The Gipp" Gipper.  His body was exhumed for testing because of people claiming to be heirs.

In the book I co-wrote with Danielle Mayoras, Trial & Heirs:  Famous Fortune Fights!, we include the story of Sonny Bono.  A sample was taken from his body for paternity testing, based on a claim of someone who said he was Bono's secret love-child.

Will Eliza's journey come to this?  We'll have to see.  Eliza Presley's court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer.  Hopefully, Lisa Marie will reconsider her position and not force Eliza to do what she really doesn't want to do -- seek court permission to exhume Vernon's body.

Until that moment comes, we have to examine the evidence that's there.  Is the DNA evidence foolproof?  No.  While Dr. Yates and others are prepared to say, under oath, that it's definitive, there is the issue of proof in terms where the samples came from.  

Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.


In other words, what if she's making the whole thing up?  That's something I've thought about at length (I am a lawyer, after all).  If Eliza invented all of this, and the DNA isn't from Presley relatives but is really from her own cousins, and none of them are Elvis relations, then all of the following would have to be true:

Jesse would have to be "in on it," because his DNA matches Eliza's -- so they really are half-siblings.
That would mean either she or Jesse would have had to track the other down, despite their age difference, because Eliza was adopted as a baby and didn't know she had a brother.
They would have also had to track down cousins from both sides of Jesse's family, which again would have been tough because Eliza was adopted.
The would-be-scam would have been started back in at least 2001, because that's when the Dr. Hinton book about Elvis being alive was published.
The scammers would have had to fool Suzanne Stratford and her bosses at FOX 8 TV News (unless they're in on it, of course), because they never would have done the stories if they thought Eliza and Jesse were committing fraud.
They would had to have fooled Dr. Yates and his DNA company, as well as Shirley Mason (the graphologist), among many others -- not to mention the Missouri Attorney General.
Plus, they would have had to plan to submit the Jesse DNA to FOX 8 TV News back in 2002 and then wait to spring their master plan into action in 2008, because Eliza's 2008 sample from the pink Elvis envelope and the 2002 Jesse sample that FOX 8 TV News had tested match each other.  Why begin a scam in 2001 only to wait until 2008 to see it through?

Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart?  Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it's not true ... unless, of course, it IS true.

In other words, if this was a fraud, it would be so easy for the "Presley" camp to disprove it that no one would think they could get away with it   Yet no one has come forward in the court case to stop Eliza.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam.  As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.

But again, no one will believe it for certain unless Lisa Marie Presley cooperates or Vernon's body is exhumed.

That will silence all the doubters.  There would be no way to fake that DNA.

Stay tuned until this summer.  That's when the real fun begins.

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html

What redirect or explanation should TS give you and for what? This info we all already had for months, if only people would READ before they freak out.

So, why were we attacking TS again?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:31:22 AM
I think TS is going to keep it....in the closet
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I think he only gets out of there when he has no paper left to...........
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:40:06 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Okay, since this is all only because of Mo's recent post about the DNA evidence, I will try again. I already replied in that thread that the fact that Eliza's DNA proof didn't go through a court progress wasn't new at all. The lawyer would have mispresented the case, Eliza is a fake, now TS is a fake and Sony, TS and TMZ are covering up a murder plot. All because Mo posted something that has been available to you all since the start. Mo, as you were a little pissed off that I never posted that information, here it is and notice you have had this info since day 1.


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The Elvis Presley Conspiracy (Part IV): What does it all mean?

Many people have contacted me wondering about the final installment in The Probate Lawyer Blog's coverage of Eliza Presley and her efforts to prove she's telling the truth about The Elvis Presley Conspiracy.  Here are the prior installments to refresh your memory.  I promised I would share my personal thoughts about Eliza's DNA and other evidence.

Now I am able to report that I have read all of Eliza's reports from the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada, which analyzed the DNA.  In fact, it's only one of many labs that have examined the DNA at different times.  But it's the only lab to have issued reports about all the various samples.

This Paleo-DNA lab reports show:

Eliza and "Jesse" are "1.6 x 10 [to the fifth power] times more likely to be half-siblings as compared to an untested, unrelated person of the general population.  These statistics indicate that these two individuals are likely to be biologically related as half-siblings sharing one parent."  The report shows a match of 9 out of the 13 "loci" tested.
The likelihood of Jesse being Eliza's father is zero (apparently 11 out of 13 matching "loci" is needed for that).
Jesse and Brenda Smith [the recognized maternal first cousin of Elvis] are 418 times more likely to be related than someone from the general population, suggesting they are biologically related.  6 out of 13 "loci" match.
Jesse and Donna Presley [the recognized paternal first cousin of Elvis] are 45.7 times more likely to be related than the general public, again indicating they are likely to be biologically related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
Eliza and Donna Presley are 31.95 times more likely to be related, so once again, they are likely to be related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
The 2002 FOX TV Jesse sample was a 100% match with the 2008 Jesse sample (the pink envelope sent to Eliza).  All 13 out of 13 "loci" match.
The matching number of "loci" determines if there is a genetic match of kinship.  The closer the relationship between people tested means more "loci" will match.  Each person would match himself or herself 100%, and no one else (unless there was an identical twin).

With these reports, there are way too many matching "loci" for all of this to be a coincidence.

These reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as "Jesse" are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley.  Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself.

Think about it -- who else is related that close to your cousins on both sides of your family?  Only you and your siblings.  Even your children and parents wouldn't match as close because they only share half of your DNA.

And I'm not the only one who read the reports and came to this conclusion.  Suzanne Stratford did another report for FOX 8 TV News about Eliza's DNA evidence, which you can watch here.  This report concludes that the samples do match.

Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results.  The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza's claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis.  And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive.  Here's a Memphis newspaper article about it.

Does this mean the world is ready to believe Eliza?

Not quite yet.
Elvis' death is a "truth" that has been accepted for more than 30 years.  Eliza is literally trying to rewrite history.  She's going to need absolute, undeniable proof before she can garner widespread acceptance.  But, she's spent too many years of her life battling those who don't want the truth to come out to stop now.

While the evidence I've seen is strong and compelling, I believe the public will need to see something more direct and concrete to prove a conspiracy this strong.  Relying on blind samples provided by cousins, outside of the court process, is not enough to change the history books.

There are only two ways to do so.


One would be for Lisa Marie Presley to come forward and provide a little saliva for a DNA test. The attorney for Elvis Presley Enterprises said in the past that Lisa Marie won't, because once she does it for one person, then she'll have to do it for everyone claiming to be related to Elvis.

The problem with that excuse is that Eliza is the only one who has ever presented enough evidence to convince a judge to reopen a Presley Estate.  No one else has gotten that far.

Second, if Lisa Marie provides her DNA once, there would be a record of it and she wouldn't have to ever submit it again.  The one sample could be tested against anyone claiming to be related to Elvis.  So why not do it?

So far, she refused to cooperate when asked by the FOX TV News team in Cleveland, even though it would have quickly ended this entire debate.  In fact, Lisa Marie moved to London shortly after Eliza Presley's lawsuit was refiled last August.

Eliza tells me that she will try to compel Lisa Marie to provide her DNA through the ongoing court case, but if Lisa Marie remains in Europe, that's not going to happen.

Which means there is only one other option to conclusively expose the conspiracy to the world.  Vernon's grave would have to be exhumed and his body tested.  And while they're at it, Elvis' grave should be opened as well.

I know, it sounds very distasteful, and I've asked Eliza about doing that very thing.  She doesn't want to do it, unless she absolutely has to.  When I first asked her about that possibility, she said it was "unthinkable".

I for one believe there is no choice if Eliza wants to prove she's telling the truth ... unless Lisa Marie Presley changes her mind and donates a little saliva.

Exhuming bodies of famous people for DNA testing has been done before.  Here's an article I wrote about famed football player George "The Gipp" Gipper.  His body was exhumed for testing because of people claiming to be heirs.

In the book I co-wrote with Danielle Mayoras, Trial & Heirs:  Famous Fortune Fights!, we include the story of Sonny Bono.  A sample was taken from his body for paternity testing, based on a claim of someone who said he was Bono's secret love-child.

Will Eliza's journey come to this?  We'll have to see.  Eliza Presley's court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer.  Hopefully, Lisa Marie will reconsider her position and not force Eliza to do what she really doesn't want to do -- seek court permission to exhume Vernon's body.

Until that moment comes, we have to examine the evidence that's there.  Is the DNA evidence foolproof?  No.  While Dr. Yates and others are prepared to say, under oath, that it's definitive, there is the issue of proof in terms where the samples came from.  

Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.


In other words, what if she's making the whole thing up?  That's something I've thought about at length (I am a lawyer, after all).  If Eliza invented all of this, and the DNA isn't from Presley relatives but is really from her own cousins, and none of them are Elvis relations, then all of the following would have to be true:

Jesse would have to be "in on it," because his DNA matches Eliza's -- so they really are half-siblings.
That would mean either she or Jesse would have had to track the other down, despite their age difference, because Eliza was adopted as a baby and didn't know she had a brother.
They would have also had to track down cousins from both sides of Jesse's family, which again would have been tough because Eliza was adopted.
The would-be-scam would have been started back in at least 2001, because that's when the Dr. Hinton book about Elvis being alive was published.
The scammers would have had to fool Suzanne Stratford and her bosses at FOX 8 TV News (unless they're in on it, of course), because they never would have done the stories if they thought Eliza and Jesse were committing fraud.
They would had to have fooled Dr. Yates and his DNA company, as well as Shirley Mason (the graphologist), among many others -- not to mention the Missouri Attorney General.
Plus, they would have had to plan to submit the Jesse DNA to FOX 8 TV News back in 2002 and then wait to spring their master plan into action in 2008, because Eliza's 2008 sample from the pink Elvis envelope and the 2002 Jesse sample that FOX 8 TV News had tested match each other.  Why begin a scam in 2001 only to wait until 2008 to see it through?

Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart?  Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it's not true ... unless, of course, it IS true.

In other words, if this was a fraud, it would be so easy for the "Presley" camp to disprove it that no one would think they could get away with it   Yet no one has come forward in the court case to stop Eliza.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam.  As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.

But again, no one will believe it for certain unless Lisa Marie Presley cooperates or Vernon's body is exhumed.

That will silence all the doubters.  There would be no way to fake that DNA.

Stay tuned until this summer.  That's when the real fun begins.

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html

What redirect or explanation should TS give you and for what? This info we all already had for months, if only people would READ before they freak out.

So, why were we attacking TS again?

Word!!  :D
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:45:12 AM
Quote from: "trublu"
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:49:22 AM
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Quote from: "trublu"
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Thank you for replying. Ok then I think we need to stat a whole new thread on our evidence that we have gathered on our own without TS and see what conclusion we come to. We need to let go of our feelings and go after the truth.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:53:28 AM
I still wonder which lies people mean. About what exactly did TS lie?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "trublu"
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]

She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples.  During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.

Again:
Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.

Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.

Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it.  Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.

The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.

You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody.

The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test.  Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400.  
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
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I still wonder which lies people mean. About what exactly did TS lie?

Nobody can prove that TS Has lied I don't think. I certainly am not. But as this doubt seems to have caused some people to now think MJ was murdered I think it will be a good idea to see what we have been able to learn on our own without TS 'guiding' us.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:12:59 AM
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Quote from: "~Souza~"
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]

She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples.  During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.

Again:
Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.

Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.

Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it.  Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.

The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.

You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody.

The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test.  Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400.  

Why aren't you just admitting that you missed this? CLEARLY it has been there all along.
As the Lawyer says:

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Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.

You attacked me for not posting it, I just showed you it was there all along. Maybe it is just right to say: Sorry Souza, you were right, we DID know it all along.[/color]
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:14:47 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "trublu"
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:
Quote
1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......


What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]

She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples.  During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.

Again:
Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.

Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.

Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it.  Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.

The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.

You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody.

The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test.  Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400.  

Why aren't you just admitting that you missed this? CLEARLY it has been there all along.
As the Lawyer says:

Quote
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.

You attacked me for not posting it, I just showed you it was there all along. Maybe it is just right to say: Sorry Souza, you were right, we DID know it all along.[/color]

You didn't see that before on Mayoras' blog either ;)
Quote from: "~Souza~"
There have been many blogs and threads on Elvis forums already about the validity of the DNA evidence, so this is really nothing new.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
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Quote from: "Tarja"
thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlook

so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening


I really can't believe what is happening on this board lately. What about relax and take a breath and THINK again?

TS is not making money, he needs to sell that domain first, and who is paying 1700$ for it? No one. This site is worth a lot more, and I am not rich either.

The 2.33$ a day is only when you have Google Ads on your site. TS doesn't even HAVE a site, so he doesn't make money with it. He only redirects.

People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.

TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...

Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.

Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.


Souza - I am in full agreement with you on the above as well as on your comments referring to Andrew Mayoras' Blog part 4.
Mo's excellent investigation has simply shaded the light on the relevance of the so called DNA evidence in the Elvis/Eliza case and pointed towards the fact that the case is possibly much weaker than many thought... My first reaction was "Oh No!, does it mean the Elvis story was a total Hoax?";  a few hours later after re-reading everything and re-associating myself to my belief that this is all part of a Big magnificent production, I took my sit back and decided to "KEEP WATCHIN" to see where the Master is taking us to on this one...  ;) XX

It amazes me how beLIEvers can suddenly turn against TS, Eliza...etc and still feel the right to laugh at the non-beLIEvers behaviours and attack on the likes of Teddy Riley and others!  
All this sudden FLICK into NEGATIVITY and jumping to conclusions is absolutely amazing!  
What does it say about human nature...

And TS... THANK YOU for redirecting my post.  XX

JFK had an important message to the World, He wanted to bring Freedom back to the people, a message that is also very important to MJ and that 's why the release date of the DVD was done on the anniversary of the JFK assassination.
The redirected article discussed the release of content of the Jackie Onassis' tapes next year and this may infer that there is a hidden message (Easter Egg)  in the Vision DVD to be unveiled at a later date... or a message associated with the DVD. (Please look BACK --- BACK had a Vision... "Of a tHeOry or Vision" written on the 18th November 2009)

It is THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH....!

With L.O.V.E
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: "Puff"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "_Anna_"
Quote from: "trublu"
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:
Quote
1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......


What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...

So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?
All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??

Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.

Connect the dots.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:31:02 AM
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Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:
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1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......


What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...

So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?
All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??

Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.

Connect the dots.


Who said the Jackson family are in this with TMZ and SONY...? Re-read Randy's tweets,please... They speak volumes....
WHY they never gave us a little hint about TIAI and TS if this hoax is SO important?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:33:32 AM
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Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]

She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples.  During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.

Again:
Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.

Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.

Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it.  Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested.  Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.

The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.

You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody.

The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test.  Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400.  

Why aren't you just admitting that you missed this? CLEARLY it has been there all along.
As the Lawyer says:

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Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.

You attacked me for not posting it, I just showed you it was there all along. Maybe it is just right to say: Sorry Souza, you were right, we DID know it all along.[/color]

You didn't see that before on Mayoras' blog either ;)
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There have been many blogs and threads on Elvis forums already about the validity of the DNA evidence, so this is really nothing new.

At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.

So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:41:44 AM
Long before the TS began their post and I thought that Michael is alive, I do not doubt that Eliza samples with DNA testing to be true. The problem here is how it is handling this case, all sequenced and necessary formal steps to be performed in these proceedings (custody chain), we assume that this is to demand that the person does not run the risk of be unknown and you can get a fair trial. If this has not been met, how you can get (if hypothetical, I know Eliza said it was unthinkable) to exhume the body of Vernon Presley or "Elvis"?.
Perhaps neither LMP nor Elvis Presley Enterprises (they must be very well advised by their lawyers) were not concerned about this case because they know very well that the chain of custody is not fulfilled and therefore the case of Eliza will be rejected.
A TS, explanations allow us to eliminate the problematic nature of things.

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:49:00 AM
Ok so everybody is talking about TS's authenticity on this thread now instead of the today's re-direct so I will too!  :D

We all think Michael is alive, right?  That he faked his death?  I'll answer for us and  say YES.

Would it not make sense then, that Michael also provided us with an informer, to show all the "coincidences" and to open our eyes and minds to what's going on in the world, if that is part of the reason for the hoax?  If Michael has planned this hoax meticulously (which he obviously has), wouldn't he want people to not only figure out that he faked his death but also some reasons WHY?  I was aware of a lot of the conspiracies in the world today long before June 25th but a lot of people weren't.  Many had no idea until TIAI was re-directing to some conspiracies and it made people start to wonder how it's connected to Michael and him faking his death.  He wants people to wake up and a whole lot more of us need to in order for him to come back.

Whether or not you think TS is legit (and I do), we really do need to think for ourselves and not be blindly led by those who have been lying to us our whole lives.  It just makes sense to me that if Michael has planned this hoax so well, he would also give us someone to help us out.  But TS can't give everything away, that's not part of the plan and it's very possible that TS doesn't have all the answers.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.
So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.
If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BS
BTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:08:35 AM
This is incredible, it really is.  How many people REALLY put all their faith in TS and TIAI being 100% genuine? Show of hands?  I chose to think he likely was, not because of the Elvis stuff or the numerology or the bible redirects (anyone could have done that), but because of the predictions he made which seemed to be accurate. Or at least pretty close. However never once did I get my hopes up that he was Michael or acting on behalf of him, because we simply don't know, he could be anyone.  Nor did I come here every day hanging on his every word, hoping for another redirect.  I took notice of them but they are not why I was ever here. And they weren't what I put my faith in, I put my faith in my own common sense.
 Someone could very well be stringing us along, keeping us all coming here day after day looking for another "sign", but I'd never put so much faith in any person I have never met to actually follow them completely with no reservations.  If he had never appeared I'd still be here and if he turns out to be a fraud I won't be devastated, I'd take my hat off to him for being very clever. It's amazing that so much is being made of the Eliza evidence when we have yet to see how that all plays out.  There could be more to it than we know.  I refuse to believe for a second Michael was murdered by Sony or anyone else and that this is all a cover up because if it is it's not a very professional one.  IMO Sony is in on the whole thing just as much as the Jacksons are. Whether TS is or isn't genuine isn't an issue for me because I never put too much importance on him in the first place.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:21:53 AM
I never thought that Michael was killed by SONY or TMZ, in fact I still think he is alive, the problem is that if Eliza is a set of stages in the process were not met, and put much emphasis on TS their post about the case of Eliza, do not speak of the parallels between Elvis and Michael obviously there, I mean the case of Eliza.

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
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This is incredible, it really is.  How many people REALLY put all their faith in TS and TIAI being 100% genuine? Show of hands?  I chose to think he likely was, not because of the Elvis stuff or the numerology or the bible redirects (anyone could have done that), but because of the predictions he made which seemed to be accurate. Or at least pretty close. However never once did I get my hopes up that he was Michael or acting on behalf of him, because we simply don't know, he could be anyone.  Nor did I come here every day hanging on his every word, hoping for another redirect.  I took notice of them but they are not why I was ever here. And they weren't what I put my faith in, I put my faith in my own common sense.
 

I am putting my Hand up to say that I beLIEve in TS being 100% part of the Hoax and 100% Michael... and I am really, really enjoying the journey!  ;) XX

Does it mean that I beLIEve everything TS says? NO! not at all! I see TS as a SILENT Teacher & a guide who shows us the various "theatres" where various part of the Greatest Show on Earth are being played ... and invite us to "play" and "live" the Hoax... it is a trip of constant discovery where we have to Think for ourselves and where we learn from our mistakes... Sometime, the fall into a rabbit hole is... sort of painful... how did get there? Please get me out of here?... but resurfacing gets better each time!

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
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Quote from: "~Souza~"

At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.
So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.
If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BS
BTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....

You could have known it, because it was on the blog all along.  remember I read it on multiple blogs and I even discussed this with Mo moths ago. I was attacked for not sharing info, while all of us have already seen this, TS even shard this blog in his posts.

For your information: I am pretty busy in my personal life at the moment and don't have time to defend myself when you or Mo are attacking me for things untrue every second of the day. Sometimes things in real life are more important and the hoax discussions need to be put on hold. You can not blame me for the fact that you both missed this information in the blogs. After people kept saying I withheld information, I started to search where I read the information and started with the blogs of the lawyers.

My sincere apologies you had to wait 4 whole days for it, but you could have read the blogs yourselves. Since you were discussing what the lawyer had said, I assumed you did read the blogs. Apparently I was wrong, my bad. Never assume things.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:28:38 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Puff"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.
So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.
If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BS
BTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....

You could have known it, because it was on the blog all along.  remember I read it on multiple blogs and I even discussed this with Mo moths ago. I was attacked for not sharing info, while all of us have already seen this, TS even shard this blog in his posts.

For your information: I am pretty busy in my personal life at the moment and don't have time to defend myself when you or Mo are attacking me for things untrue every second of the day. Sometimes things in real life are more important and the hoax discussions need to be put on hold. You can not blame me for the fact that you both missed this information in the blogs. After people kept saying I withheld information, I started to search where I read the information and started with the blogs of the lawyers.

My sincere apologies you had to wait 4 whole days for it, but you could have read the blogs yourselves. Since you were discussing what the lawyer had said, I assumed you did read the blogs. Apparently I was wrong, my bad. Never assume things.


You have missed a part of my previous reply maybe.....
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We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for.
And I think I don't have to explain again why....
We are going nowhere, those things are here now.... I've explained my point of view many times already...Mo did the same.. You are free to believe whoever and whatever you want... not being disrespectful, but we can't twist things in the way we like because sometimes the truth is in front of our eyes, crystal clear....
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Puff"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.
So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.
If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BS
BTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....

You could have known it, because it was on the blog all along.  remember I read it on multiple blogs and I even discussed this with Mo moths ago. I was attacked for not sharing info, while all of us have already seen this, TS even shard this blog in his posts.

For your information: I am pretty busy in my personal life at the moment and don't have time to defend myself when you or Mo are attacking me for things untrue every second of the day. Sometimes things in real life are more important and the hoax discussions need to be put on hold. You can not blame me for the fact that you both missed this information in the blogs. After people kept saying I withheld information, I started to search where I read the information and started with the blogs of the lawyers.

My sincere apologies you had to wait 4 whole days for it, but you could have read the blogs yourselves. Since you were discussing what the lawyer had said, I assumed you did read the blogs. Apparently I was wrong, my bad. Never assume things.

Indeed, we should never assume things.  You assume you discussed this months ago with me, but you did not.

This is where my participation in this little "who's wrong / who's right" game ends.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
i myself can only say i hope all of the anger and confusion leads everyone to go back and examine the initial reasons why they believe in the hoax from the beginning. i also hope that it does not all lead to the destruction of the forum. it would be a shame for everyone to just walk away at this point. i unfortunately have a bad feeling about the survival of the forum over this.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:38:24 AM
Wow. Wowwwwwwww.......

I really think it might be a good idea for everyone to take a few deep breaths, maybe even take a couple day break from the forum, and just calm down.

I still don't get how this changes everything. I really really don't. Especially now that Souza pointed out that blog and the fact that we were already given that information. I personally did not notice it at first, but like Souza said that doesn't change the fact that it was there.

Does it change that Elvis faked his death? No
Does it change that Michael was inspired by Elvis' faked death? No!
And have we learned more about both cases and the world in general because of this connection? YES! Even if Eliza's case is dismissed, does that change the fact that Elvis is alive and so is MJ? No way. Do you know how many people still wouldn't believe Elvis is alive even if he showed up at their door? They would somehow think it was still a big lie. I don't see how this can make or break things. Maybe TS was wrong to put so much emphasis on it, but MAYBE NOT. It is not over yet.

Not to mention, isn't it possible that Michael DID pull off a fake death and then Sony caught on to it and are trying to mess with Michael's plan to return? Or that there really was a plan to murder MJ but he escaped before they could get to him... so they just went on with their plan of him being dead. Who knows, but it's not always cut and dry... we could all be right to an extent. Multiple things could be going on at once. I just think we really need to regroup and not freak out. Like I said in the other thread, Michael needs us now more than ever. Whether he is dead or alive he needs us to fight for him.

And I gotta agree wtih Souza again about the Dave Dave thing... how do you explain that?! That dude wasn't Dave...so if it wasn't Mike either then I'm stumped as to what the point of that would have been if Michael isn't alive.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:46:25 AM
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Wow. Wowwwwwwww.......

I really think it might be a good idea for everyone to take a few deep breaths, maybe even take a couple day break from the forum, and just calm down.



If you're right, let's all calm down a bit ..............

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:56:15 AM
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At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.
So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...

It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.
If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BS
BTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....

You could have known it, because it was on the blog all along.  remember I read it on multiple blogs and I even discussed this with Mo moths ago. I was attacked for not sharing info, while all of us have already seen this, TS even shard this blog in his posts.

For your information: I am pretty busy in my personal life at the moment and don't have time to defend myself when you or Mo are attacking me for things untrue every second of the day. Sometimes things in real life are more important and the hoax discussions need to be put on hold. You can not blame me for the fact that you both missed this information in the blogs. After people kept saying I withheld information, I started to search where I read the information and started with the blogs of the lawyers.

My sincere apologies you had to wait 4 whole days for it, but you could have read the blogs yourselves. Since you were discussing what the lawyer had said, I assumed you did read the blogs. Apparently I was wrong, my bad. Never assume things.

Indeed, we should never assume things.  You assume you discussed this months ago with me, but you did not.

This is where my participation in this little "who's wrong / who's right" game ends.

I can't help you have a selective memory. Good to hear you are finally done denying you made a mistake.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
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That dude wasn't Dave...so if it wasn't Mike either then I'm stumped as to what the point of that would have been if Michael isn't alive.

How many times have we proven that doubles were used?  And in all these past 14 months after the appearance of Dave Dave on Larry King Live it hasn't crossed anyone's mind that THAT could have been one of MJ's good doubles as well..?  I'm not saying it was a double, I'm just pointing out to the possibility.

We all assume it was MJ on LKL, but the ONLY thing we DO know is that was NOT Dave himself.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
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That dude wasn't Dave...so if it wasn't Mike either then I'm stumped as to what the point of that would have been if Michael isn't alive.

How many times have we proven that doubles were used?  And in all these past 14 months after the appearance of Dave Dave on Larry King Live it hasn't crossed anyone's mind that THAT could have been one of MJ's good doubles as well..?  I'm not saying it was a double, I'm just pointing out to the possibility.

We all assume it was MJ on LKL, but the ONLY thing we DO know is that was NOT Dave himself.

Fair enough. I do think that is extremely unlikely, but I cannot deny it as a possibility. That raises more questions... why would the real Dave Dave allow that? For money? What about his friendship with Michael Jackson? I know people will do crazy things for money, I guess I just haven't lost all faith in humanity just yet... Plus, those eyes. I know that there are probably very convincing doubles in existence. But I can't get over the eyes no matter what I do. And yes I suppose that could go both ways as well. TMZ pointed out the eyes to us saying "the eyes have it" and if this was a big murder plot made to look like a hoax then yes maybe we were supposed to notice the eyes and how much they look like Mikes.  My intuition just tells me otherwise... but of course I could be wrong. But I might not be wrong either...
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 11:50:09 AM
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That dude wasn't Dave...so if it wasn't Mike either then I'm stumped as to what the point of that would have been if Michael isn't alive.

How many times have we proven that doubles were used?  And in all these past 14 months after the appearance of Dave Dave on Larry King Live it hasn't crossed anyone's mind that THAT could have been one of MJ's good doubles as well..?  I'm not saying it was a double, I'm just pointing out to the possibility.

We all assume it was MJ on LKL, but the ONLY thing we DO know is that was NOT Dave himself.

Fair enough. I do think that is extremely unlikely, but I cannot deny it as a possibility. That raises more questions... why would the real Dave Dave allow that? For money? What about his friendship with Michael Jackson? I know people will do crazy things for money, I guess I just haven't lost all faith in humanity just yet... Plus, those eyes. I know that there are probably very convincing doubles in existence. But I can't get over the eyes no matter what I do. And yes I suppose that could go both ways as well. TMZ pointed out the eyes to us saying "the eyes have it" and if this was a big murder plot made to look like a hoax then yes maybe we were supposed to notice the eyes and how much they look like Mikes.  My intuition just tells me otherwise... but of course I could be wrong. But I might not be wrong either...

There has been so much talk about Dave's motives since that LKL appearance, we can only guess about that.  And indeed - it could have been MJ, it could have been not.  Maybe we'll never know...
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
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Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:
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1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......


What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...

So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?
All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??

Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.

Connect the dots.


Who said the Jackson family are in this with TMZ and SONY...? Re-read Randy's tweets,please... They speak volumes....
WHY they never gave us a little hint about TIAI and TS if this hoax is SO important?

Again. Use your common sense and also read.

4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???

If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929}

More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers); so I guess it didn’t work very well, if they were trying to convince all the fans that it was a death hoax.

But far more even than the fans, the murderers would need to shield themselves from detection by the family; because the family would be motivated to catch the murderers, as much or more than most fans. And in this case, several family members are already well known in the music industry (Jackson Five, Janet Jackson, etc). So as much or more than any other family, the murderers would want to avoid detection by the Jackson family—because they have the influence to do something about it.

Now get ready for the murder-theory destroying question: if they planned a murder to look like a hoax, what is the likelihood that they could http://succeed in convincing the http://family that MJ faked his death???????

The only way that a murder (made to look like a hoax) could work, is if the family was in on the murder plot—whether for money, or their own lives were threatened, or because they all hated him and wanted him dead, or something. I’m not trying to say that any of these things are true; but we are turning every stone, so to speak.

It is quite unlikely that even one family member would want MJ dead, much less the entire family. It is also unlikely that any family member could be bought with money to help in a murder plot; and again, certainly not the entire family. The threat of death is no doubt a stronger motivation than money; but true love is stronger than death—so if there’s even one family member that truly loves MJ, then the whole family could not be in on a murder plot.

Yet another problem is that we have Jermaine and others saying that they know all about it, and they are going to spill the beans. So I guess the huge, long-term, and very complicated plot to murder MJ and make it look like a hoax—it didn’t work! And they had to be planning it for many years: including the will dated 7-7-02, and the 1998 autographs (somehow they convinced or forced MJ to do this). All that ingenuity, and it failed!

Yet another problem is the many indications not only of the hoax, but also of the return and bam. Wouldn’t it be better to make it look like a hoax with no return, so that the hoax believers would not be expecting to see MJ again (then they could believe the hoax for decades, and not wonder what happened to MJ)? In fact, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier to murder MJ with an entirely different plan—having nothing to do with a death hoax? They could make it look like an accident (car or airplane), or maybe a suicide; perhaps a “crazy” person could just shoot him (Lennon), etc.

Also consider this:

1. The Jacksons did "re-post" the tweet. Remember they deleted posts on purpose so that the tweet would show up at the bottom of the page again.
2. It doesn't make sens to have all the numerology if this where only a cover up. Why refer to the bible, Illuminati and Elvis Presley if you want to make a believable cover up? Not wise.
3. Why all the slip-ups and happy faces??
4. Why the Gilda connection, surely that was Michaels idea.
5. Why would someone like TS spend so much time on something like this?? He doesn't get any money or fame out of it and he is not covering anything up. Quit the opposite! TS want's to expose the Illuminati and promote a message of LOVE.
6. If you can connect the dots you can clearly see that there is a Christian message behind all of this, a message of LOVE.
7. The list goes on and on and on...

I don't have time to list them all but... Use common sens people!  ;)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15929&start=50#p270358


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Talking about Jackie O and new memoirs….

Well it looks like there is gonna be some unfolding of mysteries. :-)

So just to review some redirects where TS talked about re: JFK.

R31 – George Cover

R32 – Google Search George

R33 – Murder JFK Jr.

R35 – Conspiracy Murders

R99 – JFK Assassination Cover Up

See http://http://lilwendy.wordpress.com “Thisisalsoit.com – to date” for all the redirects.

TIAI Revealed Pt. 7 NWO Powers Control the Media: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572

TIAI Update #5B DO you Think 4 your Self? Section 5-6: http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763&p=163734#p163734

To summarize it talks about corruption among leaders, media control, money control, funding agendas, grassy knoll theories and how many know there is a larger conspiracy behind JFK’s death.

Jackie O knew stuff.  I pray she told all in her memoirs.  Jackie O and MJ were friends.  I’m sure MJ was made aware of the corruption and like so many others, they took MJ down (so they thought… hee hee)

And on the 47th anniversary of JFK’s assassination, let’s watch this video with an open mind and allow our eyes to be opened.

[youtube:1uyb6mxn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVYgLjlboU[/youtube:1uyb6mxn]

This is a good video, the JFK speech is very much about tearing apart the NWO to bring freedom back to the World; a message that it also very important to MJ.

Today's redirect makes the link between the anniversary of JFK assassination and the release of Vision.  TS is showing us that the JFK assassination is an important event for MJ and that's why HE decided to release HIS Vision DVD on the same day.
Again, it shows that everything is planned!
The choice of article with the tapes to be be revealed next year may also imply that there is a hidden message in the DVD... to be unveiled at a later date.

Thank You TS

With L.O.V.E

I don´t agree at all in the way the video uses the Speech of JFK. What a mess.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 12:55:08 PM
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Also consider this:

1. The Jacksons did "re-post" the tweet. Remember they deleted posts on purpose so that the tweet would show up at the bottom of the page again.
2. It doesn't make sens to have all the numerology if this where only a cover up. Why refer to the bible, Illuminati and Elvis Presley if you want to make a believable cover up? Not wise.
3. Why all the slip-ups and happy faces??
4. Why the Gilda connection, surely that was Michaels idea.
5. Why would someone like TS spend so much time on something like this?? He doesn't get any money or fame out of it and he is not covering anything up. Quit the opposite! TS want's to expose the Illuminati and promote a message of LOVE.
6. If you can connect the dots you can clearly see that there is a Christian message behind all of this, a message of LOVE.
7. The list goes on and on and on...

I don't have time to list them all but... Use common sens people!  ;)

Too bad I've read those posts bilion times already, and I'm using common sense...
The Army of Love tweet disappeared.. Marlon tweeted a lot of non sense tweets, and if it was  a proof why didn't they delete tweets again to let it reappear...?
You love slips-up but you are totally ignoring Randy....
How can you be sure that TS is not hiding something...? I can't be....
Gilda connection into a SONY movie.....  
Illuminati and NWO things are all over the web do you think TS has exposed them? I don't think so....
The message of love is something that mj has spread during all his life, so it's anything new...
I can go on for hours.... but I keep repeating myself over and over again......
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:07:09 PM
My goodness...I feel like doing a poll (but I won't) It would go like:

How many people here were only here because of TS and now that there is doubt think that MJ was murdered BY Sony and TMZ are part of it covering it up??

Option A: Yes, now that I don't believe Eliza obviously MJ was murdered and we have been part of the cover up by going along with TS

Option B: I don't know, I am just going along with the strongest arguments put forward

Option C: You're kidding right?? I was here because of my OWN investigations and some doubt over the Eliza case isn't going to change all the hard work I have done over the last year and a half

Option D: Do not care anymore. I am going to get myself sectioned before I start accusing Bubbles of murdering MJ....
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
My 2 cents  :)

It hurts to see people so upset. I understand if when people put blind faith on TS and he turns to be a bad player the dissapoinment is high, but please, consider that we are supossed to have a critical mind and even the most trustable can have a hidden agenda, so everything needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

See the positive side of it. It happened over the internet, we are safe and sound  ;) and whe don´t know what TS´s intentions are/were. TS just gave opinions about the truth and made it plausible linking events.

TS made posts regarding his/ her views of the truth and took the leader position because people allowed that, and why it happened was because people found some "release" or "light" towards the truth scenario supporting that MJ is alive.

Said that, I do think that is time that TS also talks to people beyond redirections.
A Post with an honest answer regarding all the questions i´ve been reading will be more than welcome in order to stop the bad vibe.

IDK why, but i get the feeling that TS is awared of how legal procedures work and also awared of the next "breaking news".

TS, consider that people put their trust and faith on you and every leader needs to face the critics at some point and "defend" its position in order to gain back the trust os its followers.
You created the thread calling members to/for the "Army of Love". The responsabiliy lies on you now  :|
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:10:56 PM
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My goodness...I feel like doing a poll (but I won't) It would go like:

How many people here were only here because of TS and now that there is doubt think that MJ was murdered BY Sony and TMZ are part of it covering it up??

Option A: Yes, now that I don't believe Eliza obviously MJ was murdered and we have been part of the cover up by going along with TS

Option B: I don't know, I am just going along with the strongest arguments put forward

Option C: You're kidding right?? I was here because of my OWN investigations and some doubt over the Eliza case isn't going to change all the hard work I have done over the last year and a half

Option D: Do not care anymore. I am going to get myself sectioned before I start accusing Bubbles of murdering MJ....

hahahahaaha!!

Option C for me!  ;) ALMOST to the point of option D, but not quite!  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:12:16 PM
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My goodness...I feel like doing a poll (but I won't) It would go like:

How many people here were only here because of TS and now that there is doubt think that MJ was murdered BY Sony and TMZ are part of it covering it up??

Option A: Yes, now that I don't believe Eliza obviously MJ was murdered and we have been part of the cover up by going along with TS

Option B: I don't know, I am just going along with the strongest arguments put forward

Option C: You're kidding right?? I was here because of my OWN investigations and some doubt over the Eliza case isn't going to change all the hard work I have done over the last year and a half

Option D: Do not care anymore. I am going to get myself sectioned before I start accusing Bubbles of murdering MJ....

Oh mi guuuuuuud! it was da Chiiiiiimp, da chiiiiiimp!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:13:31 PM
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hahahahaaha!!

Option C for me!  ;) ALMOST to the point of option D, but not quite!  :lol:

Me too but it won't be long before I cross that line I can tell you!  :lol:  :?  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:14:51 PM
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Oh mi guuuuuuud! it was da Chiiiiiimp, da chiiiiiimp!

ROFL!!!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:19:43 PM
Now that we know he needs to kill us all

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:20:37 PM
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Now that we know he needs to kill us all



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

omg...thank you! I needed that!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:22:16 PM
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My goodness...I feel like doing a poll (but I won't) It would go like:

How many people here were only here because of TS and now that there is doubt think that MJ was murdered BY Sony and TMZ are part of it covering it up??

Option A: Yes, now that I don't believe Eliza obviously MJ was murdered and we have been part of the cover up by going along with TS

Option B: I don't know, I am just going along with the strongest arguments put forward

Option C: You're kidding right?? I was here because of my OWN investigations and some doubt over the Eliza case isn't going to change all the hard work I have done over the last year and a half

Option D: Do not care anymore. I am going to get myself sectioned before I start accusing Bubbles of murdering MJ....

Option C for me for sure!  

I strongly feel that Michael is alive and nothing will change my mind and people I know and love have tried to argue it with me to no avail on their part.  Maybe there's something wrong with me but NOTHING has shaken my resolve in the past 17 months.

As for TS, I don't blindly follow him and expect he will answer all our questions.  I do think, however, that TS is doing his part in the hoax for Michael, meaning he's in contact with Michael.  I think TS has opened a lot of doors that may have remained shut without his posts and he has brought up info we may not have thought to look into.  But my belief in Michael being alive has nothing to do with TS although I am grateful for his posts.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:30:20 PM
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My goodness...I feel like doing a poll (but I won't) It would go like:

How many people here were only here because of TS and now that there is doubt think that MJ was murdered BY Sony and TMZ are part of it covering it up??

Option A: Yes, now that I don't believe Eliza obviously MJ was murdered and we have been part of the cover up by going along with TS

Option B: I don't know, I am just going along with the strongest arguments put forward

Option C: You're kidding right?? I was here because of my OWN investigations and some doubt over the Eliza case isn't going to change all the hard work I have done over the last year and a half

Option D: Do not care anymore. I am going to get myself sectioned before I start accusing Bubbles of murdering MJ....

Option C for me for sure!  

I strongly feel that Michael is alive and nothing will change my mind and people I know and love have tried to argue it with me to no avail on their part.  Maybe there's something wrong with me but NOTHING has shaken my resolve in the past 17 months.

As for TS, I don't blindly follow him and expect he will answer all our questions.  I do think, however, that TS is doing his part in the hoax for Michael, meaning he's in contact with Michael.  I think TS has opened a lot of doors that may have remained shut without his posts and he has brought up info we may not have thought to look into.  But my belief in Michael being alive has nothing to do with TS although I am grateful for his posts.

Agreed. I didn't know who TS was for the longest time and had lot of catching up to do once I found out. TS' posts just solidified my beliefs, and inspired me to research a lot of things other than Michael Jackson that I may not have done otherwise.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:33:18 PM
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Oh mi guuuuuuud! it was da Chiiiiiimp, da chiiiiiimp!



queeeeeeeeee? :lol:

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:35:42 PM
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Oh mi guuuuuuud! it was da Chiiiiiimp, da chiiiiiimp!



queeeeeeeeee? :lol:


Da Chimp Bubbles, he holds the secrets, he knew it all...and...never liked Tatiana´s hair style either  :twisted:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:39:04 PM
I am very uncomfortable with the mods having open differences. While each one is right to argue their point, it is just fodder for all these disgusting trolls who have tried to malign the forum owners and mods.

Lets keep the peace please, I remember reading the part Souza posted waay back, just cos I remember all that I read, though I cannot remember the source. I now skip Eliza threads, cos I have no time for two hoaxes, one is enough for me, and I obviously prefer MJs.

TS too is interesting to a point, but when he has these redirects that are Elvis related, I just ignore them. TS lost lots of credibility after the Elvis redirects but he did not heed he was losing followers. So he may not respond now either.

After realising there are so many posers out there who actually seemed genuine, I don't want to put my hope in TS or TMZ. I did not like the TMZ live where they discussed if MJ faked his death, Harvey yawned and the fat guy said 100% Michael, Elvis and Tupac are dead.

Still, I am here to get the truth, irrespective of what any of even the leaders may say. I will plod along till I get all my answers and I know that Michael is safe or gets justice.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:47:37 PM
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Quote from: "jono"

Also consider this:

1. The Jacksons did "re-post" the tweet. Remember they deleted posts on purpose so that the tweet would show up at the bottom of the page again.
2. It doesn't make sens to have all the numerology if this where only a cover up. Why refer to the bible, Illuminati and Elvis Presley if you want to make a believable cover up? Not wise.
3. Why all the slip-ups and happy faces??
4. Why the Gilda connection, surely that was Michaels idea.
5. Why would someone like TS spend so much time on something like this?? He doesn't get any money or fame out of it and he is not covering anything up. Quit the opposite! TS want's to expose the Illuminati and promote a message of LOVE.
6. If you can connect the dots you can clearly see that there is a Christian message behind all of this, a message of LOVE.
7. The list goes on and on and on...

I don't have time to list them all but... Use common sens people!  ;)

Too bad I've read those posts bilion times already, and I'm using common sense...
The Army of Love tweet disappeared.. Marlon tweeted a lot of non sense tweets, and if it was  a proof why didn't they delete tweets again to let it reappear...?
You love slips-up but you are totally ignoring Randy....
How can you be sure that TS is not hiding something...? I can't be....
Gilda connection into a SONY movie.....  
Illuminati and NWO things are all over the web do you think TS has exposed them? I don't think so....
The message of love is something that mj has spread during all his life, so it's anything new...
I can go on for hours.... but I keep repeating myself over and over again......

You are not getting my point. If you put all the pieces together one of the theories makes MUCH MORE sens then the other.
I can't explain all the details but I can see the big picture in this. I think the problem is that you don't want to believe in the evidence that TS provides. You said you where a skeptic from the start and that's good! You are free to believe whatever you believe, I'm just saying that one of the theories makes much more sens then the other because one of them presents a big picture, the other doesn't.

Btw. No one trying to cover up a crime would tell us to look for the truth in the bible, tell us to follow to the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6, a prophesy about Jesus Christ)... A person covering up a murderer wouldn't have that biblical knowledge and insight in my opinion because it is not in their nature. Again. Doesn't make any sens.

And as for the Randy quote (about the new album I guess?).. Doesn't change the big picture.

Not trying to "convert" anyone. Just expressing what I believe :)

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:50:18 PM
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I am very uncomfortable with the mods having open differences. While each one is right to argue their point, it is just fodder for all these disgusting trolls who have tried to malign the forum owners and mods.



All this is true, now I imagine the nasty bulldog :oops:

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:58:00 PM
wonder which is easier to believe sometimes conspiracy theories or truth. i have heard mj mention so and so its a conspiracy a few times. it seems somewhere in the trial they said he was going to conspiracy sites on internet. perhaps the whole idea is to see how people with believe fiction over truth. idk just thinking.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: "jono"

And as for the Randy quote (about the new album I guess?).. Doesn't change the big picture.

Oh no no.....

Here are just few tweets:

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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Sitting in court & I'm sad. Those profiting most from my bro’s death: AEG, Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors r nowhere in sight
8 Feb
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Ok Can’t say 2much. WHY WHY WHY r LAPD & DA ignoring evidence that goes beyond Dr. Murray? Wondering who they r protecting. Hmmm. Talk to me
17 Feb
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Let me be clear, there is an investigation pending…. I keep my cards close to my chest.
17 May
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Keep in mind, the evildoers are reading my tweets too… But, I will not stop until justice is served. It goes way beyond Murray.
17 May
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
The will: Me knowing my brother, Yes I believe its fake. I’d love 2 talk more in depth, but can’t. Am I doing something about it? of course
7 Jun
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Re: Mesereau. Tom’s been a friend for 20 yrs. I hired him 4 the 05 trial. We discuss all of the discrepancies about my brother’s passing.
7 Jun
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:02:40 PM
Gema you crack me up!! Really!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I can't stop laughing! And today MY head hurts!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:04:21 PM
Randy's tweets are not the big picture.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: "Sarahli"
Gema you crack me up!! Really!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I can't stop laughing! And today MY head hurts!

I knew my serious post to TS would be taken as a joke  :evil:  
:lol:  ;)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:14:45 PM
8-)

Wow!  

I am not surprised by all this in-fighting and confusion happening now. I am really learning alot about Human Nature. At the first sign of trouble, the family falls apart instead of rallying together. The NWO doesn't have to do a thing to us, we are doing it to ourselves and falling nicely into the chaos.

None of what has happened in History is TS' fault. I take his information as a blessing. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn about these horrific crimes upon humanity by the real enemy.

Some people will never be satisfied and I realized that a while ago when I tried to comfort a few members by letting them know they weren't alone. LOL... that fell on blind eyes to the very ones I was addressing.

There is absolutely NOTHING that TS could say now that would be good enough for those who are unwilling to live without fear.

Some people expressed fear over the redirect to Bahrain, thinking that would expose Michael to the enemy and say where he is hiding. LOL... come on. We are speculating he is hiding there. We have absolutely no proof he is there. A redirect from TS does not prove he is in hiding there. It does explain that IF he is there, he won't be extradited to USA because there is no extradition treaty. That is GENIUS. Pointing out a possible place won't necessarily put him in danger either. If anything drawing more public attention to this "hoax" and exposing the NWO for what they are is like shining a bright light on the dirty rats.

Do you honestly think they would dare try something now when we are aware of them? I will be the first to snitch on them if they dared to make an attempt now on Michael's life. He is safer now than he has ever been. People now know of the plots on his life and ours. He has so much security around him, it is probably like Fort Knox. 8-)


http://mystery-babylon.org/psychology.html

"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."
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How do people end up adopting these ways?

It all begins in the human mind! The people of Noah's day knew of God,
and His judgment on the world. Evidence of their world-wide flood was
everywhere. Some of their ancestors who lived through it were still alive.
Yet, all it took was a couple of hundred years to bring them together once
again - united against God! Why?

What caused the people to turn so quickly against the God who created
them? What was behind all of their rising animosity? Simply, there was
ideology being pumped into the masses on a large scale - the same ideology
which individually produced a change of heart before the flood. This
ultimately, again, worked to seduce the overall majority of the populous.

This became their own, ancient version of "political correctness"

Culture - a definition:
“… a pattern of behavior, learned, developed or otherwise… that has
worked well enough to be considered valid and, therefore, to be taught to
new members as the correct way to perceive, think and feel in relation to
those problems.”

Edgar H Schein,
Organizational Culture and Leadership 201,
p. 1

The great "veil" that Mystery Babylon hides behind, back then as well as
today, often involves "political correctness". Certain views are flooding into
our society. Today, it is through a propaganda "machine" - a progressively
left-leaning news media, entertainment media, and academia. The
political bombardment by these media outlets have the same effect on our
world as Hitler's propaganda "machine" did in the 1940's! Back then, people
were seduced by certain ideologies, and wanted to feel good about being
"politically correct", so they began to adopt whatever the 'movers and
shakers' around them told them was right. It's all the same today - only
from a different theological viewpoint.

There is one fact about the human mind - it is divided into two halves, with
a "left" and "right" brain. One side or the other usually dominates the
individual's thought. Those with "right-brain" dominance often seem to think
with their "heart", or their emotions. They can be more passionate, artistic,
and open to new experiences. Those with "left-brain" dominance, however,
may often tend to think with their "head" - with logical, rational thoughts;
with less emotion.

Funny, those with this "right-brain" dominance seem to run parallel with
those who adopt a number of ideals of this "left" wing. As stated in
Politically Correct Babylon, those who take on these political views often
look at the world in terms of how compassionate or fair something is, or
how much impact something would have on their individual freedom. Again,
emotions, compassion, and freedom of ideology often come into play, in
these cases. Facts often mean little to these people - it's perception that
matters; how they feel about it.

What begins to lead a person to follow these modems of thought often starts
at a young age - when their mind is young. All it may take is one or two
traumatic events in childhood to start to turn someone towards these ways
of thinking. Sure, bad things happen to all people. It's how we react to the
negative aspects life that matter. Those who begin to go down the
"politically correct" way of Babylon and, ultimately, the "Ways of Cain",
begin to take on the same mindset as many people did back in the Tower of
Babel.

Many who maintain these "left" thoughts often want the world to be a
certain way, and just plain cannot accept the reality that it isn't. Any fool
can see that we are not the same - we have differences in culture and ways
of life that separate us - some that can be downright negative. True, we
should all get along. True, we all have rights; but, collectively, we have to
put something into a society before we get something out of it! A lot of
people think they are entitled to "40 acres and a mule" without having to
work to achieve it. Some scream out "where's my program" and "where's
my money", but cannot understand, nor would be willing to accept, personal
sacrifice. There is truly no honor - in the classical sense - in many people,
now a days.

True, life is not fair, but we also must realize it became that way because of
Adam and Eve's sin. Our world is this way because of man's sin, not God.
Some people want to continually blame God for their own situations and
failures. True, some things happen that are truly not our fault, but, more
often than not, people get themselves in their own situations.

As with Cain, people also begin to believe the world begins to revolve
around themselves, and not God.

These "Way of Cain" are truly coming back to us - full circle.

What do we do about it, to stop our world from collapsing under the weight
of these detrimental ways of life? First, realize it's so easy to "play the
victim" as Cain did, and avoid the real truths of life. It's so easy to twist the
reality of things, to try to get away from personal responsibility. Be strong;
don't cower at the first sign of bad weather.

It is this whole sense of "entitlement without effort" that drains money and
strength from any society - this happened in the past, collapsing so many
cultures and empires before us; and it is happening again, in our modern day.

Why can't more of us see through this political "veil" of Mystery Babylon?
Why are people acting just like they did when Semiramis and Nimrod ruled?
It's because there are a number of people in key positions around us,
intentionally or unintentionally contributing to our own blindness. A person
in the media, for example, might not like something or someone around
them. They will make the politics of the entire situation sound as favorable
to their beliefs as possible. These people might report on the exception of
the story, rather than the rule. Instead of reporting on the 99 times out of
100 something works, they concentrate on the 1 time it didn't - all to make
the entire system look bad. This is one of the easiest ways to twist a story,
destroy authority, and bring others on the same ideological band wagon!

Once someone, by these manipulations, begins to concentrate on how
negative the 1 exception is, they begin to consider the political thoughts of
the agitator. This is how ideological change slowly manipulated the masses
in Nazi Germany; this is how it works today.

What results, on a grand scale, is that the ways of God and the Bible are
twisted, and made to look bad. God and the Bible now become a person's
"oppressor" - a way to take away individual freedoms; a way to stifle
compassion! As a result, the ways of Babylon and Cain become the keys to
"true" ways to compassion and freedom!

Just notice how many Christian values are being shunned, today - the
ideologies taking it's place are none other than these self-centered, pagan
concepts. We, at Mystery-Babylon.org, ask the individual to not be
influenced by empty thoughts of "political correctness", and not fall to the
political morals portrayed by much of the media, but rather discover where
these ideological thoughts actually might come from.

We need to discover what actually are the "Ways of Cain"; we need to
decipher what actually comes from Babylon. The more we know, the closer
to understanding the true direction the world is heading, as well the ancient
force that's continually heading us there!

In the end, we need to ask ourselves a couple of questions: where do many
of these "politically correct" ideologies and political thoughts come from if
they don't come from the Bible and God? Also, in what direction would
these thoughts ultimately head us towards if not God? Could they being
heading us, not forwards, but backwards - towards the same "one world
government" that was once Babylon?
                         
Please get it together family.

Peace
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:33:18 PM
Why do all the posts that I read makes me LOL today??? I have lost my mind for sure.  :lol: Well good to see you Im convinced I second what you said. Well there are times of confusion I bet that soon we will be back all together stronger than ever. This is very entertaining LOL.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:36:04 PM
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Quote from: "jono"

And as for the Randy quote (about the new album I guess?).. Doesn't change the big picture.

Oh no no.....

Here are just few tweets:

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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Sitting in court & I'm sad. Those profiting most from my bro’s death: AEG, Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors r nowhere in sight
8 Feb
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Ok Can’t say 2much. WHY WHY WHY r LAPD & DA ignoring evidence that goes beyond Dr. Murray? Wondering who they r protecting. Hmmm. Talk to me
17 Feb
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Let me be clear, there is an investigation pending…. I keep my cards close to my chest.
17 May
Quote
randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Keep in mind, the evildoers are reading my tweets too… But, I will not stop until justice is served. It goes way beyond Murray.
17 May
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
The will: Me knowing my brother, Yes I believe its fake. I’d love 2 talk more in depth, but can’t. Am I doing something about it? of course
7 Jun
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randyjackson8 Randy Jackson
Re: Mesereau. Tom’s been a friend for 20 yrs. I hired him 4 the 05 trial. We discuss all of the discrepancies about my brother’s passing.
7 Jun

Like Sarahli said: "Randy's tweets are not the big picture". I am sure they all have their part to play until it all unfolds :)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
You guys.   I don't believe  that the little spat between Mo and Souza is real. Sit back and think about it...  If it's not real, why isn't it?

But, anything's possible and if it is real, something's going on either way so be on ALERT. I hesitated to say anything at first but the more transparency the better.  Being truthful in this regard isn't going to hurt me or you.

I'm saying something now because I'm noticing a few patterns emerging that I won't speak of publicly right now - it'd be too long -   but something's up not just here everywhere on other blogs and forums and with Riley, etc.    For our beloved forum here, It doesn't help  that all of a sudden the chat no longer exists just recently and now Mo and Souza are at odds?  Old members, what does this remind you of?       I'm just saying there are a few interesting things going on recently and the way certain developments have followed each other... well, my antennas are up.  Sequencing is important.  Certain silences from certain people at a time when normally there would be no silences is interesting too.  

I would prepare for anything at this point. For instance, if all of a sudden this site is no longer here, let's figure out how we reach each other or is that already planned for us?  ;)  

But, no one needs to lead us - we can think for ourselves.   Maybe there will be no explosion around this, but you prepare if you hear there might be.  I'm not old enough to know about bomb shelters, but I was raised in earthquake country and we had drills when I was a kid.... just sayin'....   Always good to PREPARE for the worse, hope for the best.
Whatever just happend here, it's not a good sign (canaries in the mine always give the warning first)

Do we need to give out email addresses or what so, if necessary, we can find each other again and regroup?  And, to be on the safe side, if you think there's something on this forum you want to keep, SAVE IT NOW.

Perhaps this is no big deal but what's gone down in this thread is not sitting right with me so just in case,  what's the plan?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:56:36 PM
I think it is a good idea for everyone (who wishes to do so) to PM each other with email addresses, twitter accounts, etc.

I am also uncomfortable with what is going on here. Perhaps it's nothing but clearly we can't be sure of anything these days.

Please PM me if you would like my email address and if you'd like to give me yours. I am going to start a list and save it somewhere safe.

As far as saving information goes, it's going to be near impossible to save everything that is on the forum. Perhaps we could divide it up somehow so that all the important parts of the forum are saved.

We may be overreacting, but anything can happen on the internet. With one simple click, 16 months of investigation could be swiped away like it never existed.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 02:58:16 PM

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
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Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.


That's right.  I agree with you Jaci.   Being prepared and jumping to conclusions is TWO very different things.  Being prepared doesn't hurt anybody.  We love this forum and we hope for the best, but I'm no fool.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.

whoa how did i miss this ? who shifted in that direction ?   :shock:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
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Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.

whoa how did i miss this ? who shifted in that direction ?   :shock:

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.

Who said that this is a murder made to look like a hoax?  I did?  I think not Jaci...

The only thing I stated regarding "hoax" was:

Quote from: "*Mo*"
There are several "clues" we clamp on to, which in fact don't hold any standing but are merely based on believe instead of on solid proof.
I stick to that.  People are very easily accepting anything that supports the hoax theory, but when someone posts something that isn't "hoaxie" enough or a good reason as to why something shouldn't be considered a clue it gets ignored or people come up with the most absurd "reasons" as to why it should support the hoax.  That's not very realistic.  After all we're here to investigate, and not to just accept something because it comforts our beliefs.

That is why I said yesterday:
Quote from: "*Mo*"
I think it's about time that we start assessing ALL the "evidence" we have been provided with by the "evidence" itself, and not by the person who brought it.
So as far as I'm concerned it's back to investigation mode, whatever the outcome may be.[/b]
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:21:19 PM

Just to be clear: I myself do NOT believe in a murder theory and I can assure you that this site will not disappear. This is the MJ death hoax forum and it will stay. Please do not worry about that.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:22:44 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to be clear: I myself do NOT believe in a murder theory and I can assure you that this site will not disappear. This is the MJ death hoax forum and it will stay. Please do not worry about that.

Ok, I feel slightly reassured that the site will stay. Thanks :)

We may not always agree but this site is amazing with so many intelligent people.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:25:16 PM
That's good news Souza, but those of us who were around with the first forum, we prepare for anything, you know?  I don't know what it means for two owners of a site to fight in public.  

Mo, you seemed to take on TS too in one of the posts on this thread.  I'm certainly not defending him at all but that appears to be a big shift for you?  Also, Mo and Souza fighting on the forum?  You can't do that privately?   Makes me think there is a reason for it, so I prepare is all... No biggie if this all blows over, I hope so...
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:30:11 PM
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Mo, you seemed to take on TS too in one of the posts on this thread.  I'm certainly not defending him at all but that appears to be a big shift for you?

What's so strange about having questions for TS..?  Just because I'm one of the website owners I can't ask him questions without people jumping to conclusions?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:32:57 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.

Who said that this is a murder made to look like a hoax?  I did?  I think not Jaci...

The only thing I stated regarding "hoax" was:

Quote from: "*Mo*"
There are several "clues" we clamp on to, which in fact don't hold any standing but are merely based on believe instead of on solid proof.
I stick to that.  People are very easily accepting anything that supports the hoax theory, but when someone posts something that isn't "hoaxie" enough or a good reason as to why something shouldn't be considered a clue it gets ignored or people come up with the most absurd "reasons" as to why it should support the hoax.  That's not very realistic.  After all we're here to investigate, and not to just accept something because it comforts our beliefs.

That is why I said yesterday:
Quote from: "*Mo*"
I think it's about time that we start assessing ALL the "evidence" we have been provided with by the "evidence" itself, and not by the person who brought it.
So as far as I'm concerned it's back to investigation mode, whatever the outcome may be.[/b]

Ok, fair enough. Thank you for clearing that up, Mo. Nobody actually said the words about the murder theory, I didn't say that you did. But it was implied several times and people got carried away with it. I know exactly what you mean about people dismissing any information that doesn't fit their beliefs, but I just think so much emphasis has been put on this that we're forgetting EVERYTHING we've learned so far, and could be missing out on other things that are going on because we're so focused on this.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:33:57 PM
What the heck is going on round here?  I go away for a couple of days and suddenly all hell's broken loose. I can't believe the things I've been reading here today. I don't know what to say. I'm in shock.

I think we all need to go back to basics, to weed out the things that personally we may have started to believe that actually carry no weight. We need to quietly think for ourselves.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.


? Did I miss something :?:  :shock:  please explain  "murder made to look like a hoax"   :?
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:38:13 PM
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That's good news Souza, but those of us who were around with the first forum, we prepare for anything, you know?  I don't know what it means for two owners of a site to fight in public.  

Mo, you seemed to take on TS too in one of the posts on this thread.  I'm certainly not defending him at all but that appears to be a big shift for you?  Also, Mo and Souza fighting on the forum?  You can't do that privately?   Makes me think there is a reason for it, so I prepare is all... No biggie if this all blows over, I hope so...

I understand completely, but believe me when I say that the site will stay.

And fighting privately doesn't seem to be possible, not my choice, sorry for that. I could have kept my posts and opinions to myself, but in my opinion this whole issue was getting out of hand while it wasn't even true that the lawyer posted false information. I was attacked by Mo and a moderator for not sharing information, I pointed out it has always been there for anyone to see, that they didn't read the blogs clearly they were addressing, because the info was clearly in there. I can shut my mouth for a long time, until people get accused of lying while it's not true. If someone would say it about me, I would appreciate it too if someone could set the record straight.

I have no problem with discussing a possible murder plot, because i think there has been one (even though they were not succesful), but this was turning into something where people wanted to convince others that that was the point, and people were accused of whatever, based only on assumption. Sorry, but I don't like that and I felt the urge to say something. I am not someone to sit quietly in the corner watching a war unfold.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
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Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Talking about jumping to conclusions and assuming things...  :?

Can you really blame us? I think that precautions are a good thing no matter what is or isn't going on here. I have not come to any conclusion and I tend to think that you and Souza probably disagree on more than we know about...you are two different people afterall. But with this huge shift in opinion that this is a murder made to look like a hoax, then it's only natural for people to question the motives/involvement of those who created this hoax forum. Can it be justified? Maybe, maybe not, but it's human nature.


? Did I miss something :?:  :shock:  please explain  "murder made to look like a hoax"   :?

I'm sorry that I chose those words. Nobody actually SAID that, it was implied. You can read the entire thread started by Mo about Eliza's DNA evidence to see how we got to this point. Obviously the murder theory is nothing new though.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
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Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Mo, you seemed to take on TS too in one of the posts on this thread.  I'm certainly not defending him at all but that appears to be a big shift for you?

What's so strange about having questions for TS..?  Just because I'm one of the website owners I can't ask him questions without people jumping to conclusions?

Nothing is "so strange" about that necessarily. I do say it appears to be a "shift" all of a sudden and I'm just noticing the pattern of things in the last few days.    I'm with you with what you asked of TS. I'm glad you did it.   What is strange is the public fight  eventhough we know that Mo and Souza are two different people who obviously differ from time to time but the difference in thought about TS and Eliza stuff is quite striking - to me.  Something just stands out about all this today is all, but now that it's happened, we shall move on -- prepared for anything.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:49:15 PM

Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information.  Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:

"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."

As we know by now, this is not possible.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Well... I sure am looking forward to tomorrows redirect  :lol:

Goodnight everyone!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information.  Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:

"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."

As we know by now, this is not possible.

You mean proof of Chain of Custody, not the Chain of Custody itself. It's not the same.

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The movement and location of physical evidence from the time it is obtained until the time it is presented in court.

Judges in bench trials and jurors in jury trials are obligated to decide cases on the evidence that is presented to them in court. Neither judges nor jurors may conduct their own investigations into the underlying facts of a given case. In fact, state and federal court rules prohibit judges and jurors from being swayed by, or even taking into consideration, extrajudicial evidence—that is, evidence that is not properly admitted into the record pursuant to the rules of evidence—in rendering their decisions.

Similarly, parties to civil and criminal litigation depend on judges and juries to impartially weigh the evidence, and only the evidence, that is properly admitted into the record. Every day, across the United States, litigants stake their reputations, livelihoods, bank accounts, homes, Personal Property, and freedom on the premise that the outcome to their judicial proceedings will be one that is reached fairly and justly, according to the evidence.

Court-rendered judgments and jury verdicts that are based on tainted, unreliable, or compromised evidence would undermine the integrity of the entire legal system if such outcomes became commonplace. One way in which the law tries to ensure the integrity of evidence is by requiring proof of the chain of custody by the party who is seeking to introduce a particular piece of evidence.

Proof of a chain of custody is required when the evidence that is sought to be introduced at trial is not unique or where the relevance of the evidence depends on its analysis after seizure. A proper chain of custody requires three types of testimony: (1) testimony that a piece of evidence is what it purports to be (for example, a litigant's blood sample); (2) testimony of continuous possession by each individual who has had possession of the evidence from the time it is seized until the time it is presented in court; and (3) testimony by each person who has had possession that the particular piece of evidence remained in substantially the same condition from the moment one person took possession until the moment that person released the evidence into the custody of another (for example, testimony that the evidence was stored in a secure location where no one but the person in custody had access to it).

Proving chain of custody is necessary to "lay a foundation" for the evidence in question, by showing the absence of alteration, substitution, or change of condition. Specifically, foundation testimony for tangible evidence requires that exhibits be identified as being in substantially the same condition as they were at the time the evidence was seized, and that the exhibit has remained in that condition through an unbroken chain of custody. For example, suppose that in a prosecution for possession of illegal narcotics, police sergeant A recovers drugs from the defendant; A gives police officer B the drugs; B then gives the drugs to police scientist C, who conducts an analysis of the drugs; C gives the drugs to police detective D, who brings the drugs to court. The testimony of A, B, C, and D constitute a "chain of custody" for the drugs, and the prosecution would need to offer testimony by each person in the chain to establish both the condition and identification of the evidence, unless the defendant stipulated as to the chain of custody in order to save time.

Chain of custody need not be demonstrated for every piece of tangible evidence that is accepted into the trial court's record. Physical evidence that is readily identifiable by the witness might not need to be supported by chain-of-custody proof. For example, no chain-of-custody foundation is required for items that are imprinted with a serial number or inscribed with initials by an officer who collected the evidence. Similarly, items that are inherently distinctive or memorable (for example, a holdup note written in purple crayon) might be sufficiently unique and identifiable that they establish the integrity of the evidence.

Whether the requisite foundation has been laid to establish chain of custody for an exhibit is a matter of discretion on the part of the trial judge. Possibilities of misidentification and adulteration must be eliminated, not absolutely, but as a matter of reasonable probability. Where there is sufficient testimony that the evidence is what it purports to be, and that testimony is offered by each responsible person in the chain of custody, discrepancies as to accuracy or reliability of testimony regarding the chain of custody go to the weight of the evidence and not to its admissibility, meaning that the evidence would be admitted into the record for the judge or jury to evaluate in light of any conflicting testimony that the chain of custody somehow had been compromised. While the party who offers the evidence has the burden of demonstrating the chain of custody, the party against whom the evidence is offered must timely object to the evidence when it is first introduced at trial, or the party will waive any objections as to its integrity based on a compromised chain of custody.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information.  Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:

"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."

As we know by now, this is not possible.

You mean proof of Chain of Custody, not the Chain of Custody itself. It's not the same.

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The movement and location of physical evidence from the time it is obtained until the time it is presented in court.

Judges in bench trials and jurors in jury trials are obligated to decide cases on the evidence that is presented to them in court. Neither judges nor jurors may conduct their own investigations into the underlying facts of a given case. In fact, state and federal court rules prohibit judges and jurors from being swayed by, or even taking into consideration, extrajudicial evidence—that is, evidence that is not properly admitted into the record pursuant to the rules of evidence—in rendering their decisions.

Similarly, parties to civil and criminal litigation depend on judges and juries to impartially weigh the evidence, and only the evidence, that is properly admitted into the record. Every day, across the United States, litigants stake their reputations, livelihoods, bank accounts, homes, Personal Property, and freedom on the premise that the outcome to their judicial proceedings will be one that is reached fairly and justly, according to the evidence.

Court-rendered judgments and jury verdicts that are based on tainted, unreliable, or compromised evidence would undermine the integrity of the entire legal system if such outcomes became commonplace. One way in which the law tries to ensure the integrity of evidence is by requiring proof of the chain of custody by the party who is seeking to introduce a particular piece of evidence.

Proof of a chain of custody is required when the evidence that is sought to be introduced at trial is not unique or where the relevance of the evidence depends on its analysis after seizure. A proper chain of custody requires three types of testimony: (1) testimony that a piece of evidence is what it purports to be (for example, a litigant's blood sample); (2) testimony of continuous possession by each individual who has had possession of the evidence from the time it is seized until the time it is presented in court; and (3) testimony by each person who has had possession that the particular piece of evidence remained in substantially the same condition from the moment one person took possession until the moment that person released the evidence into the custody of another (for example, testimony that the evidence was stored in a secure location where no one but the person in custody had access to it).

Proving chain of custody is necessary to "lay a foundation" for the evidence in question, by showing the absence of alteration, substitution, or change of condition. Specifically, foundation testimony for tangible evidence requires that exhibits be identified as being in substantially the same condition as they were at the time the evidence was seized, and that the exhibit has remained in that condition through an unbroken chain of custody. For example, suppose that in a prosecution for possession of illegal narcotics, police sergeant A recovers drugs from the defendant; A gives police officer B the drugs; B then gives the drugs to police scientist C, who conducts an analysis of the drugs; C gives the drugs to police detective D, who brings the drugs to court. The testimony of A, B, C, and D constitute a "chain of custody" for the drugs, and the prosecution would need to offer testimony by each person in the chain to establish both the condition and identification of the evidence, unless the defendant stipulated as to the chain of custody in order to save time.

Chain of custody need not be demonstrated for every piece of tangible evidence that is accepted into the trial court's record. Physical evidence that is readily identifiable by the witness might not need to be supported by chain-of-custody proof. For example, no chain-of-custody foundation is required for items that are imprinted with a serial number or inscribed with initials by an officer who collected the evidence. Similarly, items that are inherently distinctive or memorable (for example, a holdup note written in purple crayon) might be sufficiently unique and identifiable that they establish the integrity of the evidence.

Whether the requisite foundation has been laid to establish chain of custody for an exhibit is a matter of discretion on the part of the trial judge. Possibilities of misidentification and adulteration must be eliminated, not absolutely, but as a matter of reasonable probability. Where there is sufficient testimony that the evidence is what it purports to be, and that testimony is offered by each responsible person in the chain of custody, discrepancies as to accuracy or reliability of testimony regarding the chain of custody go to the weight of the evidence and not to its admissibility, meaning that the evidence would be admitted into the record for the judge or jury to evaluate in light of any conflicting testimony that the chain of custody somehow had been compromised. While the party who offers the evidence has the burden of demonstrating the chain of custody, the party against whom the evidence is offered must timely object to the evidence when it is first introduced at trial, or the party will waive any objections as to its integrity based on a compromised chain of custody.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... of+custody

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:18:47 PM
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"]Well... I sure am looking forward to tomorrows redirect  :lol: [/size]Goodnight everyone!

yeah won't the next one be interesting ;)

all the confusion the guy could now say the grass is green and we will all be paranoid :?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
You didn't get my point Mo, I pointed out the lawyer did post the right information, while you said he didn't and were calling his information distorted. I never opposed the fact that the DNA evidence wasn't obtained through a legal procedure. Please read my post and stop this madness against me. This is not doing any good to anyone. I already told you that if you have issues, you have my e-mail address.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:21:51 PM
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"]Well... I sure am looking forward to tomorrows redirect  :lol: [/size]Goodnight everyone!

yeah won't the next one be interesting ;)

all the confusion the guy could now say the grass is green and we will all be paranoid :?

GREEN, did you say green?

like in the visions  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:24:05 PM

I rest my case and move on to the next thing that needs to be investigated.

Make piece, not war  :)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:24:55 PM
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Well... I sure am looking forward to tomorrows redirect  :lol:


Me too jono!  I'd had a long tiring day and checked the TIAI thread before heading to bed, looking forward to some inspiring thoughts and next thing I know it was like the ground had shifted under me and I'd fallen into "the weird chamber" located somewhere in the Labyrinth where no-one can hear you scream  :lol:

Having said that, I'm glad I was able to check in this morning and see that others had felt the same way as me.  Things ARE shifting and I feel we are entering a new phase of the hoax.  Remember the saying "united we stand, divided we fall".  Let's keep the faith ... I know it will be worth it in the end.  Peace to all, emerald xo
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:29:49 PM
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Quote from: "jono[size=150
"]Well... I sure am looking forward to tomorrows redirect  :lol: [/size]Goodnight everyone!

yeah won't the next one be interesting ;)

all the confusion the guy could now say the grass is green and we will all be paranoid :?

GREEN, did you say green?

like in the visions  :lol:

Gema STOP!  :lol:  :lol: OMG this emoticon fits well!!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:41:50 PM
Just when the investigators despair, and think that they have been deceived, the answer comes to them. But they have to be steadfast and persevere. The road never meant to be easy. Through our burdens and confusions we will definitely see the light. It just takes that we stay strong because we will get over. We must keep the faith in what brought us here in the first place. Please keep in mind why we are here for, okay it's an investigation site but some trust and most of all some faith is absolutely needed or we will not last longer. What is about to come may be even more confusing than the actual confusion so I really believe that people should hang on what brought them here, should grasp a strong evidence, clue or hint and never waiver until the end. We will know for sure what it is all about. It is all for LOVE and remember that THE TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:52:39 PM
Peace to all heated souls.
We do not have any reason to divide our unity.
We can agree to disagree.
If needed, we can continue to clarify disagreements on PM.
This thread hurts as much as what I had to read about the mods on other occasions.

We do not know why Eliza is following her path like she does and we do not know why the information about that path is being published as is.
There is no logical reason to conclude that Eliza will not be successful DESPITE what we know so far.
There is no logical reason to conclude that any outcome of Eliza's case - which way ever - will have any impact on Michael.
It is possible that all of these side show rooms are only pointers to the main lobby.

Every excellent novel has many many side show rooms - just like a museum.
If you don't keep walking, you might miss the key of the exposition.
Keep walking, keep watching and don't lose faith.
It is all for L.O.V.E. and nothing to be worried or afraid of.
God is on our side. How breathtaking beautiful this is.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:55:18 PM
A small reminder to my beautiful MJ family:

Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
And now faith, hope, and love abide, but the greatest of these is love.

BELIEVE and KEEP THE FAITH!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
Peace to all heated souls.
We do not have any reason to divide our unity.
We can agree to disagree.
If needed, we can continue to clarify disagreements on PM.
This thread hurts as much as what I had to read about the mods on other occasions.

We do not know why Eliza is following her path like she does and we do not know why the information about that path is being published as is.
There is no logical reason to conclude that Eliza will not be successful DESPITE what we know so far.
There is no logical reason to conclude that any outcome of Eliza's case - which way ever - will have any impact on Michael.
It is possible that all of these side show rooms are only pointers to the main lobby.

Every excellent novel has many many side show rooms - just like a museum.
If you don't keep walking, you might miss the key of the exposition.
Keep walking, keep watching and don't lose faith.
It is all for L.O.V.E. and nothing to be worried or afraid of.
God is on our side. How breathtaking beautiful this is.


AMEN! God Bless You Grace!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
maybe we all just need a little hoilday from this for a day or two. concentrate on being thankful for something in our lives.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
What a typo - "exposition"
I thought of an "exhibition" and the same time of all that is being exposed in this journey, so welcome to the new word "exposition" ... or "ex-position"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:10:18 PM
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maybe we all just need a little hoilday from this for a day or two. concentrate on being thankful for something in our lives.

Yes let's all go to Bahrein!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
i am packed.who else is...???? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:33:40 PM

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:38:13 PM
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maybe we all just need a little hoilday from this for a day or two. concentrate on being thankful for something in our lives.

Yes let's all go to Bahrein!

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i am packed.who else is...???? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.

Or he is not even considering Bamming. So far, his sales are like rockets, going high and all of this without the need to do some concerts or being stalked. Should feel like paradise.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:03:14 PM
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Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.

Or he is not even considering Bamming. So far, his sales are like rockets, going high and all of this without the need to do some concerts or being stalked. Should feel like paradise.

Hmmmm, I still think this hoax is the first interactive real-life movie and I think this will smash all records possible. I also think he has been planning this too long not to bam, there is a good reason behind all this.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.

Or he is not even considering Bamming. So far, his sales are like rockets, going high and all of this without the need to do some concerts or being stalked. Should feel like paradise.

Hmmmm, I still think this hoax is the first interactive real-life movie and I think this will smash all records possible. I also think he has been planning this too long not to bam, there is a good reason behind all this.

I agree Souza.  With all that we've learned, I can't really see this hoax not having a bam.  Or a point to the hoax without the bam.  Yes, a lot of us have had our eyes opened but there are too few of us to make a real difference, especially with so many people rolling their eyes at us.  Michael knows what he's doing and I think now he is waiting for the right moment.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.

Or he is not even considering Bamming. So far, his sales are like rockets, going high and all of this without the need to do some concerts or being stalked. Should feel like paradise.

Hmmmm, I still think this hoax is the first interactive real-life movie and I think this will smash all records possible. I also think he has been planning this too long not to bam, there is a good reason behind all this.

I agree Souza.  With all that we've learned, I can't really see this hoax not having a bam.  Or a point to the hoax without the bam.  Yes, a lot of us have had our eyes opened but there are too few of us to make a real difference, especially with so many people rolling their eyes at us.  Michael knows what he's doing and I think now he is waiting for the right moment.

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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:44:08 PM

Just looked at the booklet of ´Vision´ and something odd is in there. For all pictures it says `courtesy of ...'. For Liberian Girl there are lots of pictures, yet they only point out to 2 of them: only the two where Mike is behind the camera and they totally forgot about the other pictures.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 06:59:30 PM
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Just looked at the booklet of ´Vision´ and something odd is in there. For all pictures it says `courtesy of ...'. For Liberian Girl there are lots of pictures, yet they only point out to 2 of them: only the two where Mike is behind the camera and they totally forgot about the other pictures.


Why do I get the feeling that we are about to be led even further down the "rabbit Hole?" :?
No offense Souza, but with the way things have been going lately... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Seriously though...I have no doubt, that "most" are going to be in for the "BIGGEST BAM," they could ever imagine!!!!! This will definitely be a "Universal" BAM...one that will go down in HIStory!!! ;)
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Re: TIAI 11/23

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That's very true RunningGirl.  I think those who dare to dream big are the ones who can make a difference in the world.  What I had meant in my previous post was nobody takes us seriously and they themselves won't see the light until after Michael comes back.  

Another MM quote I love:

"Prayer does not use up artificial energy, doesn't burn up any fossil fuel, doesn't pollute. Neither does song, neither does love, neither does the dance."
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Just to get back on topic... I have always loved this speech by JFK, although it might have caused him his life. I was thinking about Vision. TS talked about DVD easter eggs earlier and I always assumed it would be on TII, and maybe it is. Maybe Mike indeed wanted to bam last year and had an easter egg on the TII DVD with a code that can't be found by coincidence. As time goes by, the hoax develops and things get changed and postponed. Maybe there is a new easter egg on the Vision DVD box. It's just a thought. I don't think it was ever Mike's intention to Bam so shortly after his 'death', but you never know, it's just a thought.

Or he is not even considering Bamming. So far, his sales are like rockets, going high and all of this without the need to do some concerts or being stalked. Should feel like paradise.

Hmmmm, I still think this hoax is the first interactive real-life movie and I think this will smash all records possible. I also think he has been planning this too long not to bam, there is a good reason behind all this.

I agree Souza.  With all that we've learned, I can't really see this hoax not having a bam.  Or a point to the hoax without the bam.  Yes, a lot of us have had our eyes opened but there are too few of us to make a real difference, especially with so many people rolling their eyes at us.  Michael knows what he's doing and I think now he is waiting for the right moment.

Not to mention this is not about money. Is money being made? Yes. But does any of that matter in the scheme of things? No. I don't think this is about sales at all. But do I think this is about breaking records? For sure. Actually, it's more like creating new records to be broken. But good luck trying...  :D  :lol:


I agree that this is a REAL LIFE movie and there is good reason behind all of this. Is it going to be difficult for MJ when he returns? Maybe, but maybe not. I mean, think about what the man endured his entire life...and somehow he managed to use all of that negative energy as fuel for creativity in his music AND with this hoax. I don't mean this to sound insensitive at all, but I think Michael Jackson can handle any damn thing that comes his way. And that is precisely why he is the human being chosen for this incredible journey. Don't underestimate him!
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
So I wanted to learn more about easter eggs. I vaguely remember the redirect earlier from TIAI so here is what I found (so far)

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What is an "Easter Egg"?
In the context of software (get that Cadbury Bunny out of your head!), an Easter Egg is a hidden feature or novelty that the programmers have put in their software. In general, it is any hidden, entertaining thing that a creator hides in their creation only for their own personal reasons. This can be anything from a hidden list of the developers, to hidden commands, to jokes, to funny animations. You'd be surprised just how many things contain Easter Eggs... just look at the list that has accumulated here!
A true Easter Egg must satisfy the following criteria:

   1. Undocumented, Hidden, and Non-Obvious
      An Easter Egg can't be a legitimate feature of a product, or be an obvious part of a storyline. Easter Eggs will usually stand out either because they totally don't fit with their context (like a pinball game in a word processor), or because they have a deeper hidden personal meaning to the creators, so they threw it in for entertainment.
   2. Reproducible
      Every user with the same product or combination of products must be able to produce the same result given the instructions. If others can't reproduce an Egg, then it doesn't belong in this archive.
   3. Put There by the Creators for Personal Reasons
      The Egg must have been put there on purpose, and furthermore have a personal significance to the creators beyond just making a better product (movie, TV show, software program, etc).
   4. Not Malicious
      Easter Eggs are there for fun, not to do damage.
   5. ENTERTAINING!
      The most important element... if it's not there for entertainment, it's not an Egg.

Now that you have the idea of what an Egg is supposed to be, it might be easier to narrow things down by listing some types of hidden, entertaining things that would NOT be considered Easter Eggs.

    * It isn't really hidden. In a movie, for example, obvious references to other movies aren't Easter Eggs, even if some people don't pick up on the references. This includes references that would be considered "obvious" to any fan of the series or genre, but not to others.
    * It isn't something personal to the creator(s). Corporate logos and references to other famous people are in tons of things and aren't Eggs. Eggs have to have that "personal touch".
    * It was accidental. Eggs are there on purpose. Accidents belong on www.slipups.com.
    * It is symbolism, foreshadowing, or any other literary technique like this. Storytellers use these all the time to tell a good story, and they certainly don't count as Eggs.
    * It fits in with the context of the work in question. For example, creative and obscure references to other shows and famous people is standard for shows like "The Simpsons" and "South Park", so these can't be considered Eggs given their context. Eggs stand out as being different from their surroundings.
    * It is a plot inconsistency, or just some wierdness you can't explain. These may or may not be real Eggs, but without knowing good reasons for WHY they are there they can't be considered Eggs.
    * It is interesting background information, but doesn't stand out in the work in question at all. For example, an ad-libbed scene and how it happened might be great trivia, but it isn't an Egg.

Sometimes examples speak louder than rules. Here are some examples of genuine, indisputable Easter Eggs, and you should use them to guide your gut feeling about what is or isn't a true Easter Egg.

    * A Flight Simulator and Credits in Microsoft Excel$
    * A Pinball Game in Microsoft Word 97
    * George Lucas Reference to his First Movie
    * Al Hirschfield's Daughter's Name in Every Pictur$
    * Weird Al Yankovic and the Number 27

There are links of the listed easter eggs on the site.



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Why do people hide Easter Eggs in their creations?
Everyone has their own reasons, so there is no easy answer. But we can offer some theories:
# As a Signature - In the software world, many programs are released simply under a company brand, with no mention of the individuals who put in a lot of work on the product. So you often see Easter Eggs listing the people who worked on the project as a sort of hidden "We made this!" signature.
# As an Inside Joke - Most groups of people who work together for a while develop their own inside jokes. Sometimes these inside jokes get slipped in as Easter Eggs, into Software, Movies, Music, etc. Often, an outsider would either not notice or be confused and not understand these Eggs, but that's the point - they are inside jokes.
# Vanity - Directors will sometimes make uncredited appearances in their own movies as some bit part, and only people who actually know the director are be able to tell. Sometimes they'll also cast friends or relatives in parts also for kicks.
# Tribute - An author or director might want to pay subtle tribute to someone or something they admire. For example, if a book is made into a movie, the original author may appear in an uncredited bit part. (Possibly JFK or Elvis or Charlie Chaplin, etc.)
# To Add Something Personal - They put something in for no good reason other than just because they want to. Like Jerry Seinfeld hiding a Superman reference in every episode of his show.

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How are most Easter Eggs discovered?
On this site of course! Seriously, the best way to find Easter Eggs is to come to a site like this one and see if others have discovered them first. Many eggs are almost impossible to find on your own, so check the archive first.
How are most Easter Eggs discovered originally? There isn't a lot of hard evidence, but our guess is that the information is often leaked by the people responsible for the Egg. They tell a few friends, who tell a few more friends, and eventually the information ends up here.
Of course, some Eggs are discovered accidentally or by piecing together detailed background information to uncover an Egg. Some people have accidentally stumbled across the right key combinations to activate some software Eggs. Also, people who happen to know a lot of background on a particular director might spot Eggs they have hidden in their movies. But usually you need some "inside information" to discover an Egg.

How can I find Easter Eggs on my own?

If you are determined to hunt down some Eggs on your own, here are a few tips:

    * Try what worked in the last version - Especially for software, the way to activate an Egg is often similar to the way an Egg was activated in the previous version of that product.
    * Look for Patterns - Check common Easter Egg patterns, like poking around the About Box for software programs.
    * Do Background Research - If you know a lot about a particular film, director, producer, etc., you are more likely to spot something they have hidden in their films, or recognize them if they make a cameo.
    * Explore the Unexplored - Eggs will often be hidden in places you wouldn't think to look. Try browsing around ALL the menus in DVDs, even in directions where you don't expect a menu item. Look in every nook and cranny within video games. Look in the background, or freeze-frame quick shots in movies to discover hidden Eggs. Eggs are meant to be hidden, so explore everywhere.


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Why do companies allow Easter Eggs in their products?
Most companies don't allow Easter Eggs, and claim that they will remove any Easter Eggs they find and discipline the programmers who put them in. These affairs are internal to the company, however, and we have little data to confirm or deny this stance with many companies. Indeed, some companies (like Microsoft) seem to have had passive approval of Easter Eggs in their software, considering the many elaborate Eggs they have produced in the past. Although it is rumored that Microsoft has become very hard-line against Easter Eggs in its own software, Office 2000 still managed to contain a great Egg. You go, Office Team! Fight the power!

Source: http://www.eeggs.com/faq.html#definition

I am going to look more into this.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:39:44 PM
So I started my first post about the connection to the transcripts being released in Sept. of 2011.....and Oprah's last show also being in Sept.....hmmmmm.....maybe nothing.......

Does Oprah know something about Mike that we don't?   hmmmmm.....maybe.

Oprah's show this thurs. (Thanksgiving in the states)  is "Remembering John Kennedy Jr."....an old show she did with him.......

Of ALL the possibilities for lady O's last season, is this a little odd??????  hmmmmmm...maybe

OR

MAYBE NOT.....IF SHE IS LEADING UP TO A GRAND FINALE OF UNVEILING SOME VERY INCREDIBLE INFORMATION (AND/OR SOME VERY INCREDIBLE PEOPLE!!!!!)

a little odd that the redirect is to the Kennedy's and Oprah has an OLD show about John Jr 3 days later....

I have no answers.....only questions

Also....thurs. is the 25th (2+5)  7  :D
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 08:44:33 PM
Apparently, according to this Easter Egg website, there are a few Easter Eggs in Thriller, which makes me think that TS and others are onto something when saying that This Is It (TII) can stand for Thriller II with Easter Eggs and all. A lot of things that are going on now as far as dates are concerned go back to things that happened while he was here so it wouldn't be surprise if TII would have Easter Eggs on purpose just to tie something else back to the possible  original inspiration when he was planning this -- Thriller.

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Thriller (Michael Jackson) Easter Egg - Directors Trademark
During the scene when Michael Jackson's date gets up and leaves you can hear one of the police say the phrase "See you next Wednesday". This is John Landis's trademark phrase that can be found in many of his movies. When Michael Jackson catches up with her and asks what is the matter when they are outside the theater, the movie poster in the background is for a movie called "Schlock". This is John Landis's first feature film.

Source: http://www.eeggs.com/items/30868.html

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Thriller (Michael Jackson
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In the movie theater when it shows that wide view of the audience watching the movie look in the bottom right hand side the guy with the glasses is none other than John Landis himself.

Source: http://www.eeggs.com/items/50302.html


Here is a cool Easter Egg via Simpsons (Which I think some of you guys knew)

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Simpsons, The Easter Egg - Uncredited Voices
In episode 7F19, Dustin Hoffman supplied the voice for Lisa's substitute teacher, but was not credited on screen (I forget the reason, now). Instead, they used the phony name Sam Etic. In the next season, Michael Jackson supplied the voice for a man in an insane asylum that thought he was Michael Jackson (episode 7F24). Due to contractual obligations, they were unable to give an on-screen credit to Jackson. Instead, the show credited the voice to John Jay Smith, another person that doesn't exist. The egg lies in episode 9F09 when Lisa is talking about the new Itchy and Scratchy movie. "It was the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life! And you wouldn't believe the celebrities who did cameos. Dustin Hoffman, Michael Jackson...of course they didn't use their real names, but you could tell it was them."
Source: http://www.eeggs.com/items/2279.html
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:06:42 PM
This video may help us guys! This video is on Easter Eggs in other DVDs.
[youtube:fj1xs3x0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tawU2VMwI7c[/youtube:fj1xs3x0]
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:16:39 PM
Okay I have tons of things to write. I hope I can put them all together in this post. I'm personally a skeptical person. I do not judge or ignore someone from the start but do not believe anyone blindly either. I prefer to wait what he's gotta say and then decide what to make of it. I must admit that I had doubts about TS' authenticity because of TMZ's articles about Michael. I found some of them very disrespectful and I couldn't believe why Michael would allow this if TMZ is on MJ's side. But when I have doubts I prefer to go to back, to the beginning and take a look what I had found till today. And I have to say that TS helped a lot in filling the empty spaces about the hoax. And no disrespect but to me, you guys are despise the things TS has done for us. I can not write or paste everything TS posted but how did you forget the times when you were reading his posts and thanking him, appreciating him? Did you forget all of it? Do not flatter yourselves that much like you found everything by yourselves. TS showed us many many things which were never ever found by ANY of us!!! How soon did you forget them all? Why don't you go and read his posts once more before you start to judge him like he's someone from Sony, a member of the murder plan etc. I know you read his posts many times but what will you lose if you read them once more?

I did think myself about the murder plot many many times. Whenever Randy tweets or when I see Mrs Jackson crying on tv, I question myself once more about all possibilities. I go back to the beginning of everything and think about it all. And finally everything brings me to the hoax at the end again and again.

Okay first of, if there's a murder, the family is definitely in on the murder plan too. Why? Here's my explanation. You guys say that AEG and Kenny Ortega arranged the memorial and the funeral, so they could put all the hoax clues there like the Liberian Girl pictures etc, right? And you say that Randy makes tweets about the murder plot, so the family can not be in on it, right? So why any member of the family asked why there was only Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and the funeral? They couldn't change the pictures? Why were everyone smiling, almost laughing behind the memorial backstage and also at the funeral? Sony-AEG paid money to everyone like friends and family to look happy just to make the fans believe that this is a hoax? Sony pays Joe Jackson to make him laugh so hard just a day after his son's death? Sony tells Katherine and Joe to wear the same outfits they wore during Michael's trials? And Sony pays Janet to make her forget where she was when she had heard about her brother's "death"? Sony also pays for Jermaine, and Latoya to make all those slip-ups? (Also the dancers, Larry King and so many people). Sony told Jermaine to make the annoucement at the hospital? The list goes on... Sorry but if this is a murder, then the family HAS TO BE in on it! Sony is a big company and they can be greedy but they can NOT establish all of these. At least without the help of the family members. And I do not believe MJ's family would kill him. If you believe that they could do it for money or fame, it's your opinion but I have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. Let's go on what else Sony is doing to make us believe to this "hoaxed hoax", ok? Sony is paying Akon and Teddy Riley too and that's the reason why they say Michael is alive. But guess what. The media started to call Teddy with this name: "INSANE PRODUCER". Is this his profit? And what's Akon's profit? Do they really need it? Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!

I have to write a little about the numerology part of the hoax. You have to accept that Michael is into numerology. Nothing can change this fact even if you like or dislike it. Remember his 1998 autograph, remember his 2040 spaceship during the History tour? 2040= 25+06+2009!!! I know some of you dislike it but I want you to know that I'm terrible in maths too. But you do not have to be a mathematician to understand these. Let's begin with the 911 call. It was made definitely at 12:21 The end of the World. Sony decided for this call too? 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and it was 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09. Sony decided for this too? And ANY of the family members opposed to this idea? They didn't question why the funeral was delayed that long and why it was made on that day with a Full Moon in the sky? Sony decided for the autopsy report finalized on 9.9.9?

I have many things to add to this list. But I believe that these must be enough evidence to you guys to understand that this can not be a murder. If you believe the family is in on the murder, I've got nothing more to say to you. But it is not that hard to see the murder plan could never ever walk without the help of the family. And what a big waste of money and time Sony spends by getting the family members, friends and lots of companies into this murder plot! And why do they do this to look like a hoax? To make just a thousand of fans believe that this is a hoax and to make them buy the products. We were already going to buy everything related to Michael if he was really gone or was alive. Did Sony need to make it look like a hoax? And would Sony pay much much more money to earn just a few back? Would family make a deal with the killers of their son and brother? Would they say some of the songs are fake in the new album and sit back and do nothing against Sony?

I know that it's been too long and we're all tired and confused. But sometimes it is good to step back to move forward. Do not make a sudden decision, do not jump to conclusions. Go back to the beginning and think of every possibility once more. You will see the big picture. Michael is Alive and TS helped us a lot in understanding the hoax. Do not underestimate the information he has given us. I don't know where would we have been today without TS.

About today's redirect; maybe I'm weird but I never thought that TS was trying to sell Vision. I thought that he redirected to that post because he wants to show how conspiracy theories are important for Michael. Michael knows who exactly murdered Kennedy and that is the reason why he released the Dangerous album on this date as well as the Vision. He knows what's going on and also "WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON", don't we?

Peace and Love to all of you.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:17:07 PM
Here's another video
[youtube:3o1q6icw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZiHdIp6ysw[/youtube:3o1q6icw]

Going by this interview, I have a feeling that some of the Easter Eggs that are hidden in TII and The Vision and perhaps other DVDs and maybe even CDs that will come out, will be more complex like the Harry Potter one at the end. I think the codes will be based on certain key things that only believers would know. I also think that some of the eggs will be funny, others may be cryptic and the rest will be straightforward.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 09:25:03 PM
[youtube:3ldqekxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVYgLjlboU[/youtube:3ldqekxo]
This is an inspiring speech. I had posted a similiar video in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=15431&p=258522#p258522

There is so much truth to what JFK said. Every detail he spoke of is now unfolding before our very eyes and the sad part is so many people still do not see what is right in their faces. So many people are content to just live in the make believe/entertainment world. If I am fibbing just read TMZ for a dose of Celebrity Gossip, lol

Just read here on this forum of believers who focus only on music and video content in a Vision gift from Michael. I am not coming down on the believers for their attention on the easy stuff. I am saddened by it. I love to be entertained just like most people but, there is a time and place for everything. I am going to support the Vision and purchase Michael's gift. There are over 40 videos dating all the way back. Oops I mean short films.  ;)

I am going to support the new album Michael. I am going to support the Vision of JFK and now Michael's Vision to see this through. I am proud to witness this once in a life time experience.

I am curious to know from the non USA residences, "Does the speech or dream of an American man make a difference in your decisions on whether it effects you or not?"

 I get a feeling that because this is a USA President who spoke of USA issues that non-USA people don't take heed to the message. If I am wrong in my thinking, this is why I really wanna know what you guys think.

I was doing some research. I want to address the death of Tim Russert. He is the man who is interviewing Bush and Kerry when he asked them about the Skull and Bones. I find it odd and think there is more to his death. He died suddenly during 2008. Hmm after the Interviews? I wonder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_the_P ... im_Russert
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Under Russert

Under Russert, the show was expanded to one hour and became less of a televised press conference and more focused on Russert's questions and comments, with longer interviews and with Russert hosting panels of experts.

Russert signed off by saying, "That's all for today. We'll be back next week. If it's Sunday, it's Meet the Press."

During the football season, Russert, a native of Buffalo, New York and an avid Buffalo Bills fan, sometimes added, "Go Bills!", and occasionally would ask panelists, "How 'bout those Sabres?" if the Buffalo NHL hockey team was doing well. Spoofs of the show on Saturday Night Live often reflect this addition.

Russert died on June 13, 2008 of a sudden coronary thrombosis (caused by a cholesterol plaque rupture). The former NBC Nightly News anchor and current special correspondent Tom Brokaw hosted a special edition of Meet the Press dedicated to the life of Russert on June 15, 2008, in which Tim Russert's chair was left empty, as a tribute

Ok another thing I was typing in my search box and somehow I only entered a 1.
I hit enter and the first result was this:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1&ei=utf-8&fr=ie8
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP
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1 Corinthians 13

1IF I [can] speak in the tongues of men and [even] of angels, but have not love (that reasoning, intentional, spiritual devotion such as is inspired by God's love for and in us), I am only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
   
 2 And if I have prophetic powers (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), and understand all the secret truths and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if I have [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love (God's love in me) I am nothing (a useless nobody).

3 Even if I dole out all that I have [to the poor in providing] food, and if I surrender my body to be burned or in order that I may glory, but have not love (God's love in me), I gain nothing.

4 Love endures long and is patient and kind; love never is envious nor boils over with jealousy, is not boastful or vainglorious, does not display itself haughtily.

5 It is not conceited (arrogant and inflated with pride); it is not rude (unmannerly) and does not act unbecomingly. Love (God's love in us) does not insist on its own rights or its own way, for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it [it pays no attention to a suffered wrong].

6 It does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when right and truth prevail.

7 Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything [without weakening].

8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it will lose its value and be superseded by truth].

9 For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophecy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect).

10 But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded).

11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; now that I have become a man, I am done with childish ways and have put them aside.

12 For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim (blurred) reflection [of reality as in a riddle or enigma], but then [when perfection comes] we shall see in reality and face to face! Now I know in part (imperfectly), but then I shall know and understand fully and clearly, even in the same manner as I have been fully and clearly known and understood by God].

13 And so faith, hope, love abide [faith--conviction and belief respecting man's relation to God and divine things; hope--joyful and confident expectation of eternal salvation; love--true affection for God and man, growing out of God's love for and in us], these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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[youtube:3ldqekxo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbgDCzw2uc[/youtube:3ldqekxo]


"INSPIRATIONS AND MOTIVATIONS"

FROM THREE OF THE GREATEST ARTISTS I KNOW OF.

Love and Peace

Makin that change.
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Re: TIAI 11/23

  • on: November 23, 2010, 11:35:05 PM
TS,
Thank you for this redirect.  Those on the front line are accustomed to this "darkest before dawn", still standing, still strong of heart, still keeping the faith, the hope, the L.O.V.E.  May God continue to bless you and all the forum family.
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